Liverpool Rumours Archive June 02 2016

 

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02 Jun 2016 17:15:54
Couts is over rated anyway. Hope we get 50 mil and move on . plenty of cash to buy 3 decent players . 👍.

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02 Jun 2016 17:18:59
Coutinho has been are best player for the last 2 years . We need to stop selling are best players . Coutinho is not over rated btw.

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02 Jun 2016 17:33:04
2013-14: 5 goals in 37 matches
2014-15: 8 goals in 52 matches
2015-16: 12 goals in 43 matches
It definitely means he is improving every season and he is still 23.

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02 Jun 2016 17:50:36
Not overrated. Again, another poster quick to dismiss one of our own as soon as you don't like him anymore. He's just been voted player of the season for two years running. He is one of our best and you need to keep your best players to build a team.

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02 Jun 2016 17:51:09
Logic like yours is the reason we are becoming more and more of a midtable team. Look at our trajectory since the start of the 90's and ask yourself why this has happened, one of the reasons is because we sell our best players and don't replace them at all.

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02 Jun 2016 17:57:52
Love how all our best players become "over-rated" when they're linked with a move away.

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02 Jun 2016 17:58:41
Coutinho took 111 shots in the league last year, nearly as many as Sturridge, Benteke, and Origi combined, scoring 8. I like the kid, but he should be scoring a lot more than he is given the ridiculous number of shots he takes.

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02 Jun 2016 18:04:04
Yeah let's sell a great player and replace him with three decent. That's a great way to succeed! 🤔Or a great way to run a football club into the ground more like. It doesn't matter how many players you have. Only 11 go on the pitch!

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02 Jun 2016 17:32:03
You clearly know we have issues when people have two different opinions on Coutinho. He is a world class player who is getting trashed for reasons beyond my logic.

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02 Jun 2016 18:14:55
He's certainly not over rated, he's clearly a very good player. But every player has a price, that's realism and we can't keep a player against his will such is the modern game, the only thing is that if he wants to go then we get the best price we can and certainly more than we got for Sterling.

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02 Jun 2016 19:16:29
Coutinho should score more goals. He should probably get more assists. How many important goals does he get?
How many moves are started by him turning their man and picking the right pass, for which he receives no goal ot assist?
He is quality at linking up the play and finding pockets of space, a real good puppet master.

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02 Jun 2016 19:23:53
just because he wants to leave shouldn't change the fact that he is a good player.

if he so wishes to leave i'm sure the club will allow him to leave at the right price.

bt that does not make him over rated.

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02 Jun 2016 19:31:47
The OP sounds so bitter, it`s frightening.

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02 Jun 2016 19:36:55
FSG shocking owner's, wish we had hicks and Gillette back they were far superior and invested much more and improved the stadium.
Klopp, you're having a laugh ain't ya. Surely Gary Monk was a better option with his history of success (no offence to monk) .
Coutinho, Henderson, Sturridge are all crap aren't they. Surely we should have messi Bale and Ronaldo with us being a top club winning every competition and sitting as champions of europe for the tenth year running.
See this drivle? That's what we had to endure feom you then. You don't deserve to call yourself a fan.

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02 Jun 2016 19:38:49
Never said he wasn't a good player I have said he is overrated by Liverpool fans yes he's young but far better players in many premier league sides as I said he's to slow for a klopp team and can't track back effectively he has a few nice tricks now and again but really can't do the simple things in an ideal world he's be a good player to keep
I've never really liked him it's got nothing to do with him wanting to leave just hate the way lpool fans make him into something he's not and its him that wants to leave, if he wants a really big club he needs to learn to do the simple things there is a reason Kaka gets chosen ahead of him.

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02 Jun 2016 19:49:18
I hear that he said he'd consider going if we didn't get champions league, which is fair enough, it he is one of the reasons we never as was missing in that final.

Deffo keep. Only 23.

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02 Jun 2016 19:58:55
I don't want Liverpool to be a selling club. This send a signal to the other players aswell as other teams know they can cherry pick our best players. If you want to win things, you habe to have stability in the team, and you won't have that if you have to replace your players everytime one of them plays good for 2 seasons. please keep Coutinho.

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02 Jun 2016 20:35:32
Coutinho is the best player we have, perhap, he'd have more assists if the majority of players around him had played more consistently and with better movementioned, and perhaps taken less long shots or half chances had more options been available if the rest had made more options. And I've seen him track back and pinch the ball back plenty of times. Type of player we should be doing all we can to keep.

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02 Jun 2016 20:52:37
Ye need to add players around coutinho that compliment their strengths.

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02 Jun 2016 23:31:19
I think he's good but I too believe he is overrated. if we could get 75 mil for him sell sell sell. he's not nearly impactful as saurez (I know he's not in the same position) he goes missing in to many games. where was he in the Europa final? I like him don't get me wrong I just don't think selling him will drop us into relegation and keeping him is not looking likely to propel us to 4th. i'd rather take a gamble on several potentials that could become stars.

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02 Jun 2016 23:32:46
Think the original poster may have been joking, saying we could get 3 decent players with the money as we did Suarez, Sterling etc.

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02 Jun 2016 23:42:43
Hahah . That hit a nerve didn't it. he's a good player but he Can easy be replaced with the cash. Why would i be bitter when i think he's over rated. ? Some strange comments there 😀.

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03 Jun 2016 00:22:34
It's hard because we have no Europen football to replace him . I'm worried for this transfer window.

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03 Jun 2016 01:22:13
£50 million didn't get us 3 good players last year or the year before that. These days £50 million might just about get us Sadio Mane.

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03 Jun 2016 01:53:54
Easy to throw stats about, RDL, do you have the stats for his attempts outside the box? Far harder to convert one would assume. Honestly, some of our fans are as bitter as the Blue Noses; embarassing post.

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03 Jun 2016 01:54:35
Coutinho is a quality player and has the potential to be world class. I don't think any one here really would want or hope he leaves. That is just pure denial with the fact they know it is quite possible. I would say he is a tiny bit overrated but only in the sense the majority of footballers are. I wouldn't be hugely worried about him leaving, or as devastated as I was the moment I heard Suarez had a wee snack at the world cup and all but said his goodbuys. However I'd still rather he stayed. money is overrated too.

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02 Jun 2016 23:01:48
Sorry all but isn't it COUTINHO who wants to leave not Liverpool putting him up for sale?

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02 Jun 2016 23:01:49
Tell me oh wise OP, who can Liverpool buy with the money from Coutinho's sale, who will be at a similar level or better than the Coutinho, but yet with potential to improve and reach a higher level like Coutinho, and wouldn't be on ridiculous wages and transfer fees, and who would want to move to Liverpool, and will improve the first team? Then after we get this magical player, can you also guarantee that this new hypothetical signing will be a success?

Coutinho Overrated? Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid, FC Porto, PSG and Chelsea are among the clubs who have followed Coutinho over the past 2 years. Do you think these clubs find Coutinho overrated?

21 goals and 24 assists in 107 PL appearances, improving every season since he has been here, still only 23, named in the PL team of the years last season by his peers, aptly recognized as one of the best attacking midfielders in the World right now, and without a doubt the best player at Liverpool (as shown by the awards he scooped up so easily this season) . So, which part about Coutinho is it that you find "overrated"?

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03 Jun 2016 03:27:25
I honestly don't know if OP was being facetious about selling couts and using the money for 3 more players. That has been one of the problems over the last couple of seasons. Selling a good player and bloating the squad.

Coutinho has been great for Liverpool, sure there is inconsistency, however he is 23 and still has development and has put on great performances and scored some cracking goals.

He hasn't turned against the club, while he is an LFC player he should be supported and feel welcome. If we keep getting upset players are linked with moves and turn toxic all we do is push them away from us before anything has happened and make their decision easier or prompt them to look elsewhere.

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03 Jun 2016 07:50:05
I like my job and am loyal, hard working and reliable. If someone else offered me better benefits, more money and company car. I am taking it!

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03 Jun 2016 08:15:20
From what has been said previously it appears Coutinho wants out. So if he wants to go and there is a team willing to meet an evaluation he should be sold. No player that wants to leave will give everything which eventually will effect the team as a whole.

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03 Jun 2016 09:08:00
Here's a possible scenario sell coutinho for 45+ and that makes room for gotze or keep coutinho?

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03 Jun 2016 09:15:57
We should definitely, definitely, NOT sell Coutinho. Period.

LFC fans saying we should sell Coutinho but "reinvest the funds wisely", seem to be forgetting that we don't seem to attract big name or established talents anymore.

I mean, even with Klopp's help, we couldn't even beat BvB to Dembele. Nor could we even persuade Gotze to get off Bayern's bench for sky high weekly wages, again with Klopp, the man who helped make Gotze's career.

The reality, is that without Champions League and also sitting at 8th, we don't look like a team that we can "wisely" use Coutinho funds to sign a player anywhere near Coutinho's caliber in the summer transfer market. We'd have to buy potential, and even there, we're losing out (We had a better chance at Dembele before he tore it up after December) .

IMHO, Klopp made a mistake in turning down Teixiera in January. I think he did so, with the hopes that we could land either Dembele or Gotze for a much smaller fee. But now that gamble has not paid off, and we don't have any of these targets.

Teixeira was a big fee, but at least he wanted to come. Wanted to play for the shirt.

All in all, be prepared for a summer where we bring in younger unknowns, along the lines of what Klopp did at BvB when he first arrived.

And keep Coutinho because the funds won't get you any player worth his contributions (unless, of course, he is dead set on going) ; and if it's spent, it'll probably be spent on overvalued and overrated EPL players like Sadio Mane.

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03 Jun 2016 09:36:03
Coutinho will be a major loss if he were to leave.
To all who say get 50 mil and re-invest, its never that simple.
A settled player who is performing is worth more than bringing someone in who may or may not hit the ground running.
Let me put it this way. if coutinho was still at Inter and we were linked with him, considering his recent performances for Brazil, everyone would be saying sign him up.

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03 Jun 2016 13:41:57
some proper fans have shown their heads today in slating PC, to say he is overated is just stupid we can't get another player that's better in the market today for the price we paid for him, he is improving and getting better, if he goes it will be a big loss for the club, he a young man and will win things for the club he is at, i hope he stays with us, and most of his goals are from outside the box how many players in the prem has scored more goals from outside the box.

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03 Jun 2016 15:54:59
Sure, Fornax, it's easy enough to look up. Coutinho took 69 shots outside the area, scoring 4, and 42 shots inside it, also scoring 4. He had the 5th most shots in the league behind Kane, Lukaku, Aguero, and Vardy.

I'm not saying he's a bad player or we should sell him, the reference was to the poster who showed his improvement in goal scoring. The point being that I'd expect someone taking as many shots as that to score a fair few more than he has done so, for me, saying that he's improved in goal scoring is technically true, but comes at a cost (especially given that only 30 of the 111 were on target) .

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03 Jun 2016 19:05:51
Some fan. Unbelievable.

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02 Jun 2016 13:30:21
Ed Do you know if PSG intend to sign Coutinho? Le 10 sport are reporting him to be a main target of theirs this morning.

Thanks ed!

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02 Jun 2016 15:24:08
Surely at Coutinho age he will want to play a better standard football than the French league.

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02 Jun 2016 16:14:43
Mighty,
There's a Brazilian core, however great Liverpool is, the attraction of life in Paris is huge, he could double his salary and would have not only Champions League football, but a chance of winning it.
The only way we could persuade him not to leave for PSG would be the Suarez-esque Barcelona or Real will come in next summer if you stay.

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02 Jun 2016 17:40:07
toddy, no Gerard the Persuasive around this time.

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02 Jun 2016 18:15:50
Gerard the persuader? Wtf he didn't persuade suarez to stay he just likes to think he did, if i remember correctly it was lucas who persuaded suarez to stay for another season not Gerard! If klopp can't convince him to stay then cut him loose thanks for the service and all the best to him in his future, if he doesn't try and leave by being an idiot etc then why should he be slated? Anyway he hasn't gone yet so he might stay.

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02 Jun 2016 18:47:56
Gerrard told him not to go and join Arsenal Suarez even said it himself.

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02 Jun 2016 19:18:36
Neither of you can even spell Gerard, so neither of you had the right to pass judgement. Only bants lads, don't take it to heart.

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03 Jun 2016 01:33:36
The 'replace one great player with a few decent ones' approach really worked when we sold Suarez didn't it? Neither did it work when we replaced Torres with. ummm. Carroll. Keep Coutinho - he is 23 for god's sake! Sell him to Barcelona for 50m and watch him thrive as Suarez has done? No thanks. That was how Rodgers and King Kenny operated. Pretty sure Klopp knows a gem when he sees one.

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03 Jun 2016 02:46:15
Sydneyred,
A) Coutinho is not on the level Suarez was the season he left. I think Suarez scored 31 league goals then and Couts got 7 this year. He's a great player but not on that level.
B) Klopp has shown he knows a gem when he sees one at BVB, you are right. Hence, if he sold Couts I'm confident he'd replace him adequately.
You may say this buying lots of young players rather than one marquee player to replace outgoing stars doesn't work, but from Suarez we now have Emre Can and Divock Origi- the spine of our starting XI for years to come. Sure, we didn't replace Suarez's goals and creativity in the short term but can that not be attributed to Sanchez rejecting us?
I love Coutinho as much as the next man, but unlike Suarez was, Couts is not irreplaceable. If PSG offered £60million I'd have to say thank you very much and be off.
We don't want to be a selling club, I get that, but from a financially sensible point of view we'd be getting a good price for an inconsistent player who may not be completely committed to the club. Not to bash the lad in any way.

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03 Jun 2016 11:26:20
AnfieldAndy I think you will find its you that has spelt Gerard wrong! Just bants lad!

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02 Jun 2016 13:27:38
Hi Ed's, more rumours about Coutinho moving to PSG. I think we are all pretty sure he could be tempted but they have a problem with non-EU players in the squad, they can only have 3. So here's a thought, Coutinho to PSG for £40-50 million + Lucas Moura. Coutinho gets CL football, we get good transfer fee and a quality winger, PSG can fit Coutinho in to squad because Moura leaves. Possible?

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02 Jun 2016 14:17:42
Don't think that's the case seeing as they already have Lucas Moura, Thiago Silva, David Luiz, Angel Di Maria and Edison Cavani who are all South American?

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02 Jun 2016 14:33:29
Di Maria and Cavani both also have Italian citizenship.

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02 Jun 2016 14:36:17
Pretty sure their whole back 4 is Brazilian.

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02 Jun 2016 15:04:08
Add Marquinhos and serge aurier to the above list.

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02 Jun 2016 16:27:25
Have to agree with the above. I by no means what him to leave, and think as a club we need to stop this kind of thing happening each year, but as a club PSG would be an attractive offer to any player. Let alone a Brazilian!

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02 Jun 2016 16:32:01
Add pastore to that list- Argentinian.

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02 Jun 2016 17:34:06
It's a 4 player limit and Pastore has italian nationality, aurier has french.

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02 Jun 2016 18:07:32
You can disagree with facts but they're still facts.

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02 Jun 2016 13:54:23
Some reports in frence say psg are looking at coutinho . Please say it's not true.

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02 Jun 2016 17:51:51
It is likely. We'd be getting a fat wad of cash for him and it would hopefully convince Ante Coric to sign.

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02 Jun 2016 18:17:54
I just hope if we do sell him it's for a large wad of cash, and that we don't waste it on Southampton players!

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02 Jun 2016 06:49:23
Good morning Eds

Youve said that we must not rule out Goetze just yet as it might still happen. Are you able to say if how things were with the deal as its been said wages etc had been agreed before he had a change of heart. Had we actually made any contact?

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{Ed001's Note - it is not like that, Bayern want him out, but he wants a sweetener to leave.}

02 Jun 2016 08:33:41
A financial sweetener? From them? As well as his signing on fee? This kid really sounds like he has an attitude problem. It's concerning.

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02 Jun 2016 08:23:18
Ed001, a sweetener from us or bayern?

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{Ed001's Note - Bayern, it is standard practice to get something in return for leaving early when you don't actually want to and could hang on for a huge payday the following summer.}

02 Jun 2016 08:37:10
Not sure about this transfer myself. Not wanting to get on a player's back before he hasn't even joined (etc etc), but I'm not convinced we need him: position, injury record and questionable attitude. Seems like another cut-price/ high wage gamble.

Might need some humble pie somewhere along the line, and I'll try to see the silver (ware) lining if it happens, but won't be that disappointed if it doesn't.

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02 Jun 2016 08:39:19
A desire to earn money, especially to earn money that you know you can get with a bit of patience anyway, does not equal an attitude problem. Not commenting on what his attitude is because I don't know but he wants to earn from his job.

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02 Jun 2016 09:05:09
It's not just that, it's the latest of a list of reported things that might, or might not, have happened. Not least, the way he left Dortmund (& Klopp) when things were going well, for Bayern - think of something similar happening here between rivals.

Add to this the indication that Bayern appear quite happy to let him go at a loss, and whereas walking off in a sulk rather than celebrating with teammates, might be down to any number of things, I think it fair to say, we've had our fingers burned in recent seasons.

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02 Jun 2016 09:41:35
Should move on to other targets. Not sure Y is klopp all
Behind him.

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02 Jun 2016 10:22:19
Ok then so you lot don't trust Jurgen?

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02 Jun 2016 10:41:10
Jurgen knows him better than anyone, I have to say the noises concern me but it's not as if he is an unknown entity and I'm sure it'll be diligenced with a frank conversation before anything is finalised. Jurgen doesn't seem the type to want a Prima Donna in the room that might upset the team spirit or work ethic.

On the flip side one might also argue if he does move he'll be hungrier than even to prove himself and get Liverpool into CL.

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02 Jun 2016 11:37:55
@ Raised Eyebrow:

The rivalry thing isn't an issue. Bayern M is an institution in German football.
Every German kid that grow up dream about playing there, no matter where in Germany they grow up!

They don't keep the same standards of rivalry between the clubs as English or Italian clubs do.

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{Ed001's Note - so not true, most Germans hate Bayern. They either support them or hate them.}

02 Jun 2016 11:42:55
Was there any problems with him while under Klopp at Dortmund? I know about him leaving but bayern snap up all the talent in Germany so that's not a suprise.
If Klopp wants to sign him then I will trust his judgement as he knows him well.
The fact he didn't get on with pep and the fact it hasn't exactly worked out for him at bayern isn't a massive issue for me, nor the fact he is after a golden handshake because he's a football player and that's what they all do.
If he does the business on the pitch for us and keeps his gob shut off it then I will be happy to have him at Liverpool until the day he (inevitably) moves.

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02 Jun 2016 11:52:44
Are you just making that crap up off the top of your head, Dan?
Bayern are Bavaria and as Ed says most German fans hate them. Especially Dortmund fans.
It's almost like saying every Spanish kid dreams of playing for Barca.
No rivalries? But what about the Ruhr derby?
Also, I'm guessing you've never been to Hamburg?

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02 Jun 2016 12:53:59
Dan - like Cech, as goalkeeper of the defending Champions, choosing to go to their London rivals? Or Ashley Cole going the other way? Sol Campbell? Not directly over but Paul Ince and Michael Owen? A lot of players end up playing for their rivals.

And trust mate, the Germans go in for rivalries in a big way. Like I said I'm not arguing on his attitude because I don't know, but I can't see wanting to get the standard payoff for leaving a big club early that ideally you wouldn't have to leave as any sign of a bad attitude. In fact, considering Bayern tempted him over when they didn't really need him and in retrospect seemingly more to deny him from Dortmund than anything else, I'd probably want my payoff too!

But I do agree that unless Coutinho goes, we don't really need him and have more pressing concerns.

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02 Jun 2016 13:03:54
Just how much money do these overpaid footballers want?
Obviously, a lot more than they need!

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02 Jun 2016 14:01:42
we would take it if we were offered it LL, sadly the wages in football have got out of control at the top end of the game and will continue to do so, I only wish I was offered what there on to do my job I could retire in a year, that's the difference between us and them.

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