Liverpool Rumours Archive May 30 2018

 

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30 May 2018 21:36:37
Couple of quick questions for the Eds ref Fabinho? I think you said we beat Atletico Madrid to his signature; do you know why the Madrid deal fell through? And secondly, were any other clubs seriously interested at the price being asked? Thanks 👍🏻.

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{Ed002's Note - Atletico Madrid turned to Fabinho after their first choice for this summer had shunned them over concerns about playing time. They had also shown interest last summer but the offer to buy him and not take delivery to January fell on deaf ears. They returned a few weeks ago and had held some early discussions with Monaco which resulted in a stalemate as a price could not be agreed between clubs. They returned again to talk on Saturday but they again could not agree a price.

Of the clubs previously interested, Juventus had originally wanted him as a RB but he was not first choice so it drifted away; Arsenal had baulked at the asking price - set high as part payment will be due to Rio Ave, Fluminense and Paulinia; Manchester United let their interest wane, largely because the player wanted a move to Manchester City, and they moved on to another target - who will also not be signing for them; PSG were only planning to use him as cover and thought him too expensive for that purpose. It was made clear last summer to the other sides who enquired (including Liverpool) that he would not be sold until this summer.}

30 May 2018 22:27:47
Great info Ed02. I think He will be a top player for us.

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30 May 2018 23:27:33
Thank you Ed. ✅.

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31 May 2018 00:09:41
Ed002 just out of curiosity was Manchester United's other target Savic?

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{Ed002's Note - Not for that position.}

31 May 2018 00:25:15
It was Jorginho and even he said no to utd.

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31 May 2018 00:52:19
From what I gather PSG wanted him last year but Monaco refused to sell to their rival. Player was not happy but got heas down.

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31 May 2018 04:04:41
I wonder who Atletico’s first choice was?

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31 May 2018 05:52:52
Did you know how much is lfc transfer budget for the next season ed?

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{Ed001's Note - it does not work like that.}

31 May 2018 04:48:36
Just shows how many different factors can come into play with regards to transfers - and also shows why things can and do change so quickly. Interesting stuff Ed.

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30 May 2018 20:33:54
Reports in France say we have made official bid for Fekir of 53 million.

Don't know if it's true.

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30 May 2018 21:04:08
According to Le Parisien, Liverpool's bid for the 24-year-old is said to be €60m (£52.6m) and is thought to be under consideration from the Ligue 1 club.

Any truth in this eds?

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{Ed025's Note - its no secret that liverpool want him and that talks are taking place shayan but the details are basically guesses mate..

30 May 2018 21:22:31
Well then get it sorted ed25 ☺️☺️☺️.

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{Ed025's Note - im trying my best ace..

30 May 2018 21:22:52
Thank you ed. I didn’t know that talks were taking place. All I remember is ed002 saying that he expects us to make a formal approach.

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30 May 2018 21:32:37
If it was Ian ayre doing the negotiations I would be worried but nowadays apart from the mistakes of tapping up we seem to be doing so much better .

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30 May 2018 21:29:52
Alright Ed25 we will stop disturbing you, go get that deal over the line.

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{Ed025's Note - im trying to scupper it alonso.. :)

30 May 2018 21:44:20
Whats you're opinion on Fekir's ability Ed025? Sorry in advance, if you have already gave it and i have missed it.

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{Ed025's Note - i think hes very talented coco, there seems to be a bit of doubt about his temperament but i think hes a good buy myself mate..

30 May 2018 21:57:49
And we have the klopp factor also. He tends to bring the best out of players. not every player though. But if fekir is good enough for the French squad ahead of players I assumed were dead set for Russia then I would rate him highly.

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30 May 2018 21:54:08
Thanks Ed025, much appreciated. Everything I've heard seems positive and few times I've watched him he looked a talent.

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30 May 2018 22:06:13
So ed 25 you think this deal has legs then and will happen . Hope he’s not another payet.

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{Ed025's Note - i do expect it to happen Dhfc its just haggling over the price mate..

31 May 2018 08:54:43
As long as we have behaved ourselves, I’ll be happy. At least klopp hasn’t come out tapping up the lad yet, so that’s a start.

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31 May 2018 09:53:39
Euros or sterling? Lol.

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30 May 2018 20:32:59
Nabil Fekir done!
Next up Allison.

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30 May 2018 20:59:59
Don't no if we will get fekir think it will be difficult regarding Allison no chance shame. Will probably be butland shame because I think he is a poor keeper rather us go for pope.

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30 May 2018 21:46:18
Im optimistic we can get both to be honest. Price on Alisson will have to be dropped if reports are true.

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30 May 2018 21:48:25
If we signed Keita, Fabinho and Fekir I would say it’s one of if not the best transfer window ever in my memory,3 highly converted players, if we got Alisson it must surely be the best in the premier league era? I’m judging this on the time they sign, they could all flop and it turn into a terrible window.

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30 May 2018 22:01:44
Harry could u please olabarate how the deal for fekir is done? Do you know or are you just 2nd guesing lad?

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30 May 2018 22:20:18
I think you know the answer to that question, Hendo.

Remember Harry is only a teenager hence prone to both excitable bursts and an unshakeable (and often misguided) arrogance!

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30 May 2018 22:39:19
I think that’s a bit rude to teenagers Zeddicus.

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31 May 2018 05:51:38
Marv 96 are you Mr. Negative in disguise?

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31 May 2018 06:18:10
No Jurgen we are different people. He even says he don't want butland where as I want him over all the other keepers mentioned.

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30 May 2018 19:54:17
Reports from Le Parisien in France that we have made a €60 million offer for Fekir but it may not be enough.

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30 May 2018 20:33:34
According to some reports Fekir and his representives want it done before the world cup lyon want it after just in case his stock rises.

If LFC want it done offer them the 70m€ they want and be done with it.

Then move onto a keeper (Not Butland) 🤞.

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30 May 2018 20:39:51
According to some reports Fekir and his representives want it done before the world cup but lyon want it after hoping his stock will rise. We have offered 52.6million pounds €60million euros but lyon is not entertaining it and will only listen to €70m. Time will tell ill check again in an hour 😂

Get fekir sign a keeper not butland 🤞 and possibly a lb and we are sorted.

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30 May 2018 20:41:53
I think Fekir should be telling Lyon he wants the move so it can be sorted out.

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30 May 2018 21:28:35
Cos we all loved Suarez, couts, Torres, mascherano etc for doing just that!
Strange how when we want a player we are more than happy for them to force their way out of a club.

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30 May 2018 21:43:02
Fekir has told Lyon already about moving the fact it is my team is just circumstantial. The club were aware he was considering offers so it’s no surprise. Best for all parties to strike the deal and move forward. I was actually saying same with Coutinho.

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30 May 2018 22:24:14
Don’t agree on a left back, Gunga, not high on priorities given limited resources.

We have Moreno, for now, as well as Gallagher and Lewis in the u23s. Not forgetting Milner.

I’d much rather get the likes of Fekir and Alisson and live with the LB cover we have for Robbo, than get people like Zaha and Butland as well as a few others.

We’re not City or Utd, we can’t fix every position, and backups, in one window.

Just trying to have enough warm bodies for every position is what killed Rodgers, and Klopp doesn’t appear to share that philosophy, thank god!

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30 May 2018 22:33:02
Difference being that Fekir has let it be known for a while he willleave, has told the club well in advance and will almost certainly leave with more dignity than any of the others, he won’t have to go on strike or fake injuries to move.

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31 May 2018 09:07:20
Swishcleaner - why is that strange? We love our team winning. We hate when other teams beat us. We love when players want to join us. We hate when they want to leave us (if they are any good anyway) . It's not even hypocrisy, it's just the fun of sport - it's socially acceptable to be entirely selfish to your tribe.

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31 May 2018 09:55:08
Seen that myself but it’s twitter so I wouldn’t believe a word until you see it on the Liverpool FC official page, probably announce it in a hour like last night ha!

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30 May 2018 17:40:40
Ed001

Please could you give some sort of summary as regards to our GK sotuation. In terms of what you think we will do with the current 3 we have and who we are looking at please? Everyone is banging on about Allison, Oblak, Cillaseen, but Im thinking its Butland were after and only him. With Migs likely departing?

Would appreciate your feedback please.

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{Ed001's Note - Migs is likely to go, Ward will probably leave too and Bogdan is surplus either way.


We want to buy at least one keeper, Butland is the option if Klopp is keeping faith with Karius. If he has decided he is not going to make it with us, then Allisson is the one he would like, but is unlikely.}

30 May 2018 19:15:49
Cillesen shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Oblak or Becker as he’s nowhere near top class. He’s a very poor keeper who can’t deal with crosses and has poor distribution, actually reminds me of a shorter version of a certain Belgian. It shows the lack of quality that the Dutch have that he’s number one.

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30 May 2018 19:06:24
Cheers ed. Appreciate that mate. I take it price and Real Madrid are the 2 factors making it unlikely.

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{Ed001's Note - mostly price.}

30 May 2018 19:07:31
Can't complain with that logic from Mr Klopp at all! Thanks Ed!

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{Ed001's Note - welcome.}

30 May 2018 19:22:05
I really can’t decide how this will play out . I really can’t see us signing Allison and I can’t see the fans being happy with anything else .

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30 May 2018 19:47:19
If price for Alisson is an issue then maybe that £40m we've just spent on a midfield player should have been left in the Bank. To my eyes we're worse off at GK than in midfield.

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30 May 2018 19:52:36
If we are going after a keeper, there must be better around the whole of Europe than Butland. (If Becker and Oblak are non starters), we mustn’t make the mistake of going after Navas or Cillesen either, or Nick Pope after one season. I’m assuming Michael Edwards has an ace up his sleeve and will pleasantly surprise us all.

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30 May 2018 19:54:32
Johnny I’m not so sure that I agree with that I know 2 goal keeping errors have just cost us the European cup but our midfield was long over due an upgrade as it was full of energy and not much else . Yeah mongolet and karius aren’t great but neither was our midfield we often bypassed midfield to the front 3 Because of the lack of passing and dribbling ability.

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30 May 2018 20:00:13
Johnny we were making due with a midfield towards the end of the season. Fabinho also offers cover at RB, maybe if someone had marked their man properly Bale does not get those two goals. There was this player that slipped and cost is the title we should sum his entire career up to that point. Karius made some great saves in that game, but I guess no one cares about that.

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30 May 2018 20:40:34
I'm just a little bemused at our happiness to forgive goalkeeping mistakes you don't even see in Sunday league football that often.

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30 May 2018 20:52:04
I recommend we should get a keeper like Ralf Fahrmann, he is a high quality prospect, reasonably young yet not too young, and he has helped Schalke reach Champions League football in the Bundesliga. Imagine what he could help us accomplish with an immense defence in front of him. I also believe Mignolet's time is up, and should be sold- Danny Ward should be given a chance as the cup goalkeeper, whilst Karius is used as backup. Also, I would love to see a defender liek Jonothan Tah be implemented into our team, just to keep competition for positions high, whilst increasing squad depth- this will have a postive impact on players such as Lovren (a great player who has servely improved, yet we need to remove those mistakes that he is capable of) . Just my thoughts NOT official news nor rumours.

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{Ed025's Note - i would have thought that after saturday mate any thought of buying a german keeper with potential would be the last thing you need..

30 May 2018 21:33:19
Touche Ed25. touche.

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30 May 2018 19:33:50
Makes sense Ed001.

Guess that could be why macca has said butland was close to being done due to the fact that before the final it was probably 99% sure karius would of had another season but after that performance and public pressure hard to see him starting next year maybe that’s changed things.

Is the price issue with Alisson due to the club not sure he’s worth that or more of a ffp?

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{Ed001's Note - bit of both really.}

30 May 2018 23:03:10
Hi Ed001. Your earlier response ‘Butland and option of keeping faith with Karius’ suggests Butland would be no.2? Do you think Karius would be preferred over Butland? Would you prefer that?

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{Ed001's Note - it doesn't work like that, just like signing Fabinho doesn't suddenly mean Henderson is going to sit on the sidelines all season. It would be up to both keepers to prove themselves and then a choice would be made. Karius would start with the advantage but it would not mean Butland is number 2.}

31 May 2018 01:14:42
ED’s I don’t want to disagree with you here but I think it’s a blank cheque situation now for a new GK. Look back over some of the goalies who have won Premier League titles.

Ederson
Courtois
De Gea
Schmeichel x 2
Cech
Van Der Sarr

You need your keeper to be outstanding to win a league. We haven't had one for a long time. Klopp knows this, the owners know this and our rivals know this.

I see them spending big on one. I would love us to get Oblak as age and skill are perfect, Becker is the obvious 2nd option but after that I could see a random bid for Courtois.

Personally I would have loved them to throw in a bid for Mattia Perrin to test Genoa/ Juve.

If they get this wrong and they lose their bottle, we will end up with Cillessen as I’ve heard that there has been enquiries over him in the last few days.

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31 May 2018 09:13:04
Fekir - I think you're shooting your own point in the foot there several times. For a start, Reina was twice the keeper that Ederson and Young Schmeichel will ever be. He also better than VDS, if not quite by the same margin. Frankly, he's probably better than Courtois as well. These are all decent keepers but not that special and frankly, I wouldn't even swap Ederson and Schmeichel for Karius.

And then after saying we need an outstanding keeper to win the league, you say you'd like Perrin - a keeper with potential for sure, but one that you're taking a long leap of faith to call anything more than good right now.

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31 May 2018 10:10:19
hjikle. Are you feeling ok? You wouldn't swap Karius for Ederson? . Reina better than VDS? Really? I loved Pepe but REALLY?

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31 May 2018 09:44:18
I read Liverpool are going to terminate Bogdans contract.

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31 May 2018 17:49:34
Hjikle did I need to use diagrams and stickers to explain what I meant.

I think the club will switch to blank cheque to cover the position because history shows that it takes a strong keeper to win a Premier League. (Examples shown)

I said that if that is the case it will be one of 3 (Oblak, Becker, Courtois) as they are the most likely to move this summer.

I also said that should we not get one of those I can see them scraping the barrel (to us) by going for a lesser GK from a big club. That leaves Navas or Cillessen and I think Navas is out of the question so that leaves Cillessen who would be a terrible choice.

My personal preference would be for Perrin. Klopp has showed he is not afraid to put loyalty in youth but Perrin is better than Karius imo and will be one of the top 3 keepers of the future.

Not where’s my GK stickers.

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30 May 2018 18:02:07
Guardian reporting we are in for Zaha. Any news Ed's?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not the one to ask about Liverpool transfers.}

30 May 2018 18:14:18
Believable, he could be the cheaper option to Malcolm or Dembele if we are going all out for Fekir and Alisson!

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{Ed025's Note - cheaper option zed??, its estimated that palace will want in the region £60m mate..

30 May 2018 18:23:32
Crikey Ed025! (best Penfold impression)

Well then I hope we go after Malcolm or Dembele!

Wow, just wow!

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{Ed025's Note - i thought the same to be honest zed..

30 May 2018 18:26:05
Still think that the Utd mess with him was in part about not travelling well, if that makes sense, I can't see a move to Liverpool working out either. Would have thought Spurs are most likely, much as they don't need him.

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{Ed025's Note - doinking the managers (moyes) daughter never helped the lads cause either freshst..

30 May 2018 18:37:35
Are there any non-high profile players in which Liverpool holds an interest (beyond just scouting)? All the talk is about bringing in these players that cost well over £50m, and that’s great that the club is finally able to follow through. But if the biggest issue is squad depth, than surely we are looking at some others as well - rotation players? Or is this where Klopp sees youth coming into play?

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{Ed025's Note - following through is not really a trait to be proud of in england yankee mate.. :)

30 May 2018 18:56:38
Tackles are always dangerous in the box, especially the bosses daughters 😬.

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30 May 2018 18:56:51
60Mil for Wilfried Zaha? 😵.

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30 May 2018 19:04:34
I’m not sure zaha would suit Liverpool seems to me he likes being a bit of a lone wolf rather than team player.

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30 May 2018 19:17:30
Malcolm would be better than both Dembele or Zaha as he can actually shoot and pass.

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30 May 2018 19:32:17
60mil is obscene. Zaha is OK like but wow that values him as a real top talent, which he simply isn't. Don't imagine any team will pay close to that much.

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30 May 2018 20:10:55
Ed025, Liverpool's cultural Ambassador to the USA.
Next stop the Court of St James, haha.

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{Ed025's Note - love it juicer..

30 May 2018 20:16:48
please say zaha is a joke! : ( ( No where near good enough imo.

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30 May 2018 20:45:28
Palace have every right to ask that for him though, they didn't win a game without him. He's the difference primarily between where they are now and the championship.

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30 May 2018 10:30:40
Lads, Been talking to my source today (ex player) . Fekir will be done in the week. Also Liverpool looking at Alisson but Roma want crazy money. Lallana will go. West Ham and Newcastle interested.

Mid Wales Red.

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30 May 2018 10:52:10
I hope your right buddy.

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30 May 2018 11:02:45
Just read that Roma want 80m. As it is newspaper journalists could easily be £ or €, as they don’t do fine details. Be that as it may, read we are interested in Cillessen but Barcelona want €60m. Alisson is a no-brainer if that is the price of a keeper who is no improvement. Pay the money and our main problem position is sorted for years to come.

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30 May 2018 11:31:27
Goal Keeper will more than likely be butland if we are thinking about this realistically. Really can't see us spend 40 of fab 60 on fekier and 80 on allison. That would bring us to a total spend of around 180 and that's not even taking into account agent fees etc. Not unless we have another big out leaving this year.

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30 May 2018 11:31:40
Yes hopefully. Desperately need Alisson or Oblak. Just passing on the message as always. Dismiss the Cillessen link. No way true. 2nd choice Barcelona keeper, 2 league games in 2 years, 29 years, prone to errors and they want 60m euros.

midwalesred.

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30 May 2018 11:34:15
No way we are paying that amount of money on a GK. It will be Butland.

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30 May 2018 11:49:42
If we sign butland we go backwards we get Allison we go forward simple, how much would de gea cost or courtois easily over hundred million English pounds, if we want a world class keeper we have too pay world class money.

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30 May 2018 12:28:35
Maybe we could buy 2 goalkeepers and use them at the same time.

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30 May 2018 12:07:00
I have my own sauce, he’s German and is called Heinz.

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30 May 2018 12:27:30
Best not to get wrapped up in the numbers - if we can get Alisson then I’d love him to join.

A GK is a critical piece of the puzzle and can make or break a season as we just saw. The best PL sides in recent seasons have had Ederson, De Gea, Courtois and Lloris. enough said.

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30 May 2018 12:40:07
Hailstones, I have to disagree with you. We are Liverpool and we dun pay for World class players, we make world class players. Look at Salah, he was a good winger but now he come Liverpool is a world class forward.

We just need to sign a good GK and we will make him world class. Simple as KLOPP.

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30 May 2018 12:43:18
Hailstones I agree mate and Allison would definitely improve us. Im not saying I prefer Butland im saying I can't see us stumping up the crazy figure required to get Allison or Oblak.

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30 May 2018 13:00:27
If we go with butland we will be repeating mistakes which we have made for years.


Butland is no improvement on karius and it would be £40 mil wasted, spend the extra £20mil and as others have said sort the position for years to come.

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30 May 2018 13:10:54
No way £80m for a keeper, worlds gone mad! i think they would accept quite a bit less for Allison.

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30 May 2018 13:18:29
‘We make players world class’. Let’s keep ‘making world class players’ and winning nothing in the meantime! Once they become world class they then move onto Real or Barca! We need to move with the times. Buy a world class keeper and let’s challenge for titles.

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30 May 2018 13:40:16
We paid £75m for VVD Because we really needed a CB of his calibre, I can’t see how spending £80m on Alisson is that much more of a stretch, he’s the only keeper in the world that will be a massive upgrade on what we have and is realistic, so it’s either stump up the cash or stick with Karius.
That being said I can’t see it happening.

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30 May 2018 13:47:26
Lavers, Butland is no improvement on Karius? You should have applied for Britain’s Got Talent, they could do with a good comedian.

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30 May 2018 14:10:52
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I think Butland is the one who'll be signing. He's not been linked with anyone else.
Being the cynic that I am, seems to me like we're being led to believe that the club wants Alisson or Oblak, but that circumstances/ price will make it impossible.

At least the English media will not be as hard on Butland as they would be on a foreign goalkeeper. The fans, on the other hand, might just go the opposite way if things don't start well with him.

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30 May 2018 14:12:03
I've been discussing this topic for years with fellow Reds. The major difference between Liverpool and Premier league winning teams is a world Class Keeper. My advice to Edwards is to target who we want and pay what's needed to be paid. We want a world Class keeper. 2nd 3rd or 4th place is not good enough anymore! Keep Ward as 2nd Keeper and go get us Alisson Becker or Jan Oblak!

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30 May 2018 14:16:57
People talking about desperately needing Allison like he’s the only keeper in the world.
Anyone steady would do. I’d even take Pepe Reina at the moment.
It’s not hard to find a decent keeper for under 35m with change.

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30 May 2018 14:21:30
Butland is in my opinion a better keeper than either mignolet or karius, although the injuries have set him back a bit. interested to hear the eds and people's views on pope? Peronally I'd go for Allison or Donnarumma.

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30 May 2018 14:28:52
Klopps reds17 gotcha mate I jus hope we bite the bullet an pay like yourself, we sort it now then we boxed off for years too come in that position, I think butland is another Joe Hart an we will end up back on the goalie merry go round.

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30 May 2018 14:29:26
If the £80M Quoted is true I'd pay it. de gea gains united a minimum or 12 to 15 points per season. If the 80M gets us a extra 12 to 15 points a season and stops the terrible mistakes like Saturdays performance from karius I'm all up for it. And most importantly it's not our money.

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30 May 2018 14:30:37
Butland is better than Karius nor Mignolet. Our thinking needs to change if we are to win trophies again! World class talent is the way to go not being a talent pipeline for Barcelona or Real Madrid.

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30 May 2018 14:47:00
Calm down men I’m sure the club knows where and what we need to improve and are looking to do so but also take in to consideration that the club will have a budget for transfers and wage structure to work within it’s not as simple as a game of champ man .

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30 May 2018 14:53:04
sorry not to jump on the band wagon but I truly hope we stick with Karius. I don’t believe in scrapping a player after one season. Until recently I believed Robbo wasn’t good enough and he has proved me so wrong. I hope we stick with Karius provided he can move on and improve. Then the proof is in the pudding! Either perspective, my trust lies in JK.

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30 May 2018 14:55:48
1985 mikey problem with your assessment is that we overpaid for vvd and he isn't even the best cb in England, let alone Europe.

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30 May 2018 15:04:19
Magico. but this isn't DeGea we are talking about. Everyone would spend that money on him. How many seasons has Allison done it. And what is it that he has done? He might pull off world class saves every week, but I'm going to be honest I've not seen him play outside the champions league. I'd wager a guess that's the same for most Liverpool fans. Didn't see anything against us to say he's at De Geas level either.

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30 May 2018 15:08:15
2 seasons uncle Ben. His mistakes early in the First season cost him a place and he was doing the same things that punished us on Saturday. I'm all for giving players a fair chance and I think Karius has had plenty and Imo has still not shown enough to be our 1st choice keeper with or without his performance at the weekend.

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30 May 2018 15:16:31
Watched roma a few times this season and he is a very very good keeper. I agree he didn't shine against us in champs league. Not saying he's the best available but he's twice as good as migs or karius combined in my opinion. Who else is out there? Oblak. never really seen him myself.

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30 May 2018 15:32:34
It’s easy Alisson is a World class keeper young with experience and you know he will make us a lot more stronger than Butland or Karius. Pay the money! 100m is a bargain!

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30 May 2018 15:36:25
Our biggest issue is that Roma and A Madrid know we are in need of a new keeper, I wouldn’t say desperate for one but extremely keen for one.
Neither Madrid or Roma need to sell, both players tied to a contract so they can play hard ball like we did with Coutinho, so unless like Pip did and either player forces through the move it’s going to be tough to do a deal.

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30 May 2018 16:50:14
I would say that the answer to this problem is none of Cillessen, Butland or Navas as we’re just setting ourselves up for a very expensive mistake. There are plenty of alternatives out there if the likes of Becker or Oblak are too pricey. Bernd Leno or Mattia Perin for example. Or we stand by Karius and give him the opportunity to improve.

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30 May 2018 17:49:28
magico. You say that he's twice as good as Migs and Karius combined? Migs and Karius combined would be one hell of a creature. With 4 arms and 2 heads. Maybe that's what we need.

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{Ed025's Note - only one head EP...karius.s head went last saturday mate.. :)

30 May 2018 18:06:13
I don't agree that Butland is either a backwards step or worse than or even same as Karius. He is an upgrade but whether he is the required upgrade is a different matter. Questions over Butland around how much he can improve and how much the long injuries have taken from him. Alisson is a big step up and I'd agree with those saying the money is worth spending. You can tell the competence of a club by whether or not they understand the value of key players and keeper is a key player. Will be interesting to see where this goes.

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30 May 2018 18:12:59
To the person who asked about Pope. If you could guarantee that he would always be as good (or improve) as he was this season then I would definitely say yes to him. But we can’t, and I just wonder if it’s one of those English players who has a good year and then Liverpool buys them to save some money. I do like him though, best English keeper in my opinion.

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30 May 2018 19:24:31
Leno and Reina to replace our 4 keepers.

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30 May 2018 20:28:38
Honestly if we are going to splash on a keeper it should be Oblak. He’s been class for several years and imo is up there with De Gea as best in the world.

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30 May 2018 21:56:56
Fantasy football on here. People talking about 80million like it’s pocket change. 2 years ago that would have made any player the 3rd most expensive of all time.

After this it will be buy another CB for 60 mil, another striker for 80mil and Fekir for 70 mil. The numbers don’t add up.

Some of these players might actually not want to even play for us!

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31 May 2018 09:25:15
Assuming we have the money to spend, I think we need to forget about the fact it's a goalkeeper and that it would be way over the current record fee for a goalkeeper. It's simple - if our big problem was scoring goals and a top striker became available for £70m and we signed him and he scored the goals that made a difference, won matches that would otherwise have been drawn or lost and, therefore, gave us more points and better chances of winning trophies, we'd all be happy with that. So I don't see it as being any different with a keeper.

If we sign a keeper who makes saves that most other keepers don't make as well as making fewer errors that lead to goals, then we'll have more points, win more matches and have a better chance of winning trophies. Look at de Gea. The points he saves and earns for United probably outweigh the points won by Lukaku at the other end of the pitch. If we had de Gea at our club this last season, we'd probably have finished two places higher in the league and might have won the European Cup. So if there is a keeper available who can make that level of difference, and we've got the money, I'd be happy for us to pay whatever it takes.

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30 May 2018 07:46:16
Hi Eds, does anyone know of any changes with regards to Achterberg? Just wondering if there are any plans for an upgrade in that position.
Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - no mate.}

30 May 2018 08:02:58
Why are people so adverse to him?
Has there been something said about him, or is it just because we have had poor keepers, who don't seem to improve much?

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30 May 2018 08:06:42
Keepers join then seem to get worse.

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30 May 2018 08:13:47
Do they get worse or do you just notice their mistakes more when they are playing for us?

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30 May 2018 09:18:40
No they do get worse. Perhaps that is in the limelight but they certainly don’t seem to learn from mistakes which I would assume as a coach it would be your primary focus!

It is also relating to how good the previous GK coach was with Reina, seems a step back!

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30 May 2018 09:24:34
Reina got worse after he joined.

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30 May 2018 09:43:55
In fairness Migs always had a mistake in him and how many times did people watch Karius before he came here? I would guess not a lot.
The problem seems to me that we bought the wrong keepers. You say they don't seem to learn from their mistakes but that's their fault.

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30 May 2018 09:44:17
Im sure something was said by one of the eds or someone in the know a few years ago saying that he wasnt a very progressive coach and was using outdated GK training techniques but I maybe wrong.

Also his appointmemt to the first team coincided with Reinas decline in form and probably worst of all he was he played a major role in the targeting of Mignolet as he had been supposedly tracking him for a number of years. However, he is one of the few GK coaches to have attained his UEFA pro licence and was one of the only backroom staff members kept on by Klopp from Rodgers time so he must be doing something right, just not sure what.

Personally after overseeing the decline or stagnation of 3 GKs (4 if you include Ward) I think there should be a change however, as Klopp seems to be a big fan of his that seems unlikely to happe anytime soon.

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30 May 2018 09:50:51
I think the general perception is that no keeper has improved under his tenure, but maybe also that if a top class keeper was on the cards, is he the right person to be coaching/ mentoring. Personally I would say it's something to be at least looked at, there is no point looking to improve the squad without looking to constantly improve the support network.

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30 May 2018 10:27:48
It could be entirely coincidence of course, but there can be little doubt that Reina declined quite a bit around the time achterberg took over as coach.
Migs was always inclined to having flaky moments but it was disappointing that his kicking and distribution didn't improve much with achterberg.
Karius is prone to losing focus at key moments, and that may be a mental trait that can't be coached out of him?
It is interesting that the only keeper I can recall staying at his level was Ward, who spent most of the season away from achterberg.
The evidence is starting to accumulate I that the one constant in all the keepers decline is that they worked with achterberg.
Yes they could all be just pretty poor keepers and uncoachable in key areas, but at this point I would be digging deeper into achterberg's methods and performance, and having him evaluated by external experts.

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30 May 2018 10:27:12
maybe its because we have not had a top class goal keeper for many years and went with cheaper alternates due to budget constraints and need to build the team further in other positions so never spent proper money!

Also, playing in goal for Liverpool comes with a lot of pressure, needs a certain type of mentality to succeed at huge club like Liverpool.

It's possibly not the coach's fault, at the end of the day it's difficult to coach not making mistakes and decision making.

We do need a game changing goalie, one that pulls the unbelievable save that changes a game or gets you them 3 point ala De Gea at Man Utd.

I Also don't believe we should sell Karius, seems a nice kid so we should stand by him, he will learn from the competition and is young enough to do so. Very young for a goalie still remember.

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30 May 2018 11:12:28
Redwin - I think having a “game changing goalie” has been the problem!

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30 May 2018 12:24:59
Fast Tino true but in the negative lol.

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30 May 2018 14:22:42
New coach for me. simple.

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30 May 2018 18:31:18
Also worth considering that because the defence has been seen as shaky for several years teams have targeted, especially banging in crosses, which means keepers get exposed more as well and then targeted more etc. Bit of a vicious cycle to it really.

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