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09 May 2020 12:14:52
Looks Like Chirivella is off to Nantes on a free transfer, good luck to the fella!

Never complained just put his head down and worked hard to earn a place and a quality game for Liverpool U23’s vs Everton.

{Ed002's Note - Good move for the lad, but another HG gone.}

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09 May 2020 14:33:14
How bad is our HG situation Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Close to the edge.}

09 May 2020 16:43:42
This has to go to go down as one of those that got away. Totally loved him a player. Good luck to him and his family.

10 May 2020 09:07:40
Plus Wilson and Lallana will be leaving too. Hopefully we go for Ben White who would provide much needed back up and also be HG.

10 May 2020 13:51:48
Each squad needs 8 HG players in the 25 or you must reduce the number of players registered if you don't have enough eg if you only have 7 you can only register 24 players.

LFC Have the following -

Trent
Gomez
Lallana - likely to leave
Milner
Ox
Clyne - likely to leave
Harry Wilson - Could Leave
Andy Lonergan
Ojo - Likely to leave
Kelleher
Phillips - Likely to leave
Grabara - on loan
Ejaria - on loan


Player not 21 yet who will qualify when they are 21

Brewster
Woodburn
Hoover
Williams
Jones
Van der Berg
Elliot
Larouci
Lewis

Some time away

Jaros
Williams cb
Glatzel
Cain.

{Ed002's Note - Try doing it the other way around - there is a maximum of 17 non HG players. Right now the club has 16.}

10 May 2020 14:27:15
True Ed2 its something that has been an issue in the PL for some time, i believe there is talk of a reduction to 13 none HG post brexit aswell.

Something a lot of clubs need to look at.

{Ed002's Note - The EPL rules are a max of 25 players over 21 of which a max of 17 can be non-Home Grown). The remaining eight have to be HG (spending 3 years between 16 and 21 with an English or Welsh side, regardless of nationality). If there are not enough HG players, then the squad size reduces, so if there are only six, the squad reduces to 23. In terms of UEFA competitions, the rules vary slightly with the eight "HG". A maximum of four of those eight can be trained by other clubs in the English and Welsh association. The remaining have to be club trained. So If Arsenal were to recruit Mason Mount, he would fall in to the category of being association trained (by Chelsea) rather than club trained. Again, if there are not sufficient club trained players the squad size is reduced.

Right now Liverpool has the following 16 non-HG players:
Adrian
Alisson
Andrew Robertson
Dejan Lovren
Divock Origi
Fabinho
Georginio Wijnaldum
Joel Matip
Loris Karius
Mohamed Salah
Naby Keïta
Roberto Firmino
Sadio Mane
Takumi Minamino
Virgil van Dijk
Xherdan Shaqiri

So this influences purchases.

In terms of pure numbers (and putting aside less major leagues such as Scotland, the Championship, Cyprus and Luxembourg), the Premier League is some distance ahead of the main protagonists in Europe. Right now England has around 70% foreign players with Portugal, Belgium and Italy all around 50% to 55% and Russia, Spain, the Netherlands and France all around the 40% give or take. You would need to check the exact figures with the CIES Football Observatory reports which come out with boring statistics all too often - try not to read too much in to any you stumble across. The reasons behind this include (but are not limited to): (a) There is far more money in the Premier League so clubs can cherry pick players from around the world. (b) The Premier League is attractive because of the profile and media coverage. (c) English clubs often price English players out of a move to other English sides. (d) European sides (e.g. Italy) have to work with in a far more demanding quota system. (e) Some countries have the benefit of agreements (e.g. Spain which has the Cotonou Agreement where African and Caribbean players are not counted against non-EU quotas) that are beneficial to clubs. (f) Some countries have quotas which are game based rather than squad based (e.g. Ukraine limits non homegrown players on the pitch to seven etc.). (g) Some countries have clubs that realise players from their home nation most suit the type of game played in that country and there are benefits in terms of moving players between clubs - as opposed to taking a youngster out of his comfort zone of sunny South America to move to the grim, wet and cobbled streets Northwest of England where there would be a significant cultural change, smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street, little chance of football at the highest level and only chips and fried curry to eat.

There have been two recent attempts by the FA to reduce the number of non HG to 13 as you say - on both occasions it has been voted down by the Premier League - but changes are expected at some point.}

10 May 2020 14:47:21
Thanks for the detailed info Ed2.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

10 May 2020 15:16:50
That was brilliant thanks ed are we expecting for some non HG players to leave in the next window likes of karius adrian and shaqiri?

{Ed002's Note - Karius and Lovren and probably Shaqiri (who might be used in part exchange with Sevilla).

10 May 2020 17:59:50
Assume that's in relation to DC ed2, the shaq line that is.

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

12 May 2020 14:56:28
awesome reply Ed.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

13 May 2020 08:16:37
Does the problem lie with how academies work with kids in Britain and train them, like for example Spain and Italy seem to produce more technical players etc, would Britain be better to focus on academies and how they teach players to play from a younger age, with more focus on technical ability rather than trying to produce the best athletes, or have they moved to do this already?

{Ed001's Note - they have been doing that for a while and that is what we are seeing in the current generation of players. However they are producing, in large part, players that have no heart as everything is easy for them. That is the issue. In the main the best sportspeople come from difficult beginnings as it teaches them the value of hard work needed to achieve anything and gives them desire. English people have an easier life than most, which means they are not having to develop that same drive to succeed. That added to a lack of places to play in the streets, away from coaches interference, is leaving it an uphill struggle to produce quality players who actually have that drive to succeed. Which is why most of the better players are having to drop down the divisions first to learn about adversity or are coming from the lower leagues.}







 

 

 
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