18 Jun 2022 09:30:09
What impact do you think the 5 subs will have on the PL?
More chances for young talents?
More timewasting?
Getting through the season with less injured players?
Who will it benefit and who will find it a disadvantage?
also, I´m curios to why we went for Ramsey. I have heard that he is a huge talent, and if so, then he should keep playing week in week out. With TTA, I doubt he will get much game time.
{Ed025's Note - it will favour the sky big 6 RF as per usual. So not only will you get the big refereeing decisions but now you will have 5 top players to replace another 5 superstars in each game. Just like the tories the rich are getting richer and the poor getting poorer….but in football now..
18 Jun 2022 09:56:34
How could there be poor when all clubs across the division gets almost equal share of the TV rights compared to La liga or Spain. The amount of money Nottingham Forest could spend this year is more than what a top 4 club in Germany could.
Well it certainly doesn’t help when you spend £500 mill on dross and then blame it on FFP and 5 subs.
{Ed025's Note - Everton’s wasteful spending is a direct result of trying to play catch-up with the chosen ones TT. Stupid I agree but the gap between the have’s and have not’s is getting wider and clubs like us have panicked so as not to be left behind.
The sooner you and your privileged buddies piss off to the super league the better..
18 Jun 2022 10:14:28
Ed025 - I understand what you are saying and to a large extent I agree with you but I also understand the other argument that gets put forward (usually by one of the “big 6” who used to be the “big 4” not so long back) .
If you look at the PL fixtures for next April, clubs already have 6 fixtures in 30 days. If you have a team on for the quadruple or treble that are still in Europe and on for the FA Cup, who will have had matches rescheduled from Feb / March and who still need to play quarter / semi finals there just has to be a duty of care to look after player’s welfare.
{Ed025's Note - no doubt they will come up with a scheme where they allow you more money and extra players so the big 6 can continue their quest for world domination mate..
18 Jun 2022 10:28:02
It's rich people who know where to spend are getting rich mate!
18 Jun 2022 10:31:51
ffs ed025, there's a lot of bitterness in that reply.
{Ed025's Note - it’s not really bitterness vicar. …no your right mate it is ?..
18 Jun 2022 10:47:40
I actually disagree with you on this Ed025. I think it benefits all teams and if anything, more so those with less quality players. The main purpose of it is to reduce workload on players and reduce injuries. 3 of the hardest hit teams on that front last season were Leicester, Leeds and Burnley. Why? Because the depth in their squads isn't as strong as the big 6 and therefore being able to give their key players a rest is more vital to them.
I do get the argument that the big 6 have stronger benches, but also subs very rarely change the game because they're better quality than those on the pitch, otherwise they'd more than likely have started. They normally change the game due to a tactical switch, which again every team has equal opportunity to do.
Another thing is that the big 6 teams often have bigger squads because the extra European games allow them to keep more players happy. So surely extra subs will allow the teams outside of Europe to keep more players happy going forward and possibly expand on the size of their squads without needing the extra European games. Where the big 6 teams will benefit mostly will be in League games before a mid week European game, when they can rest a couple more players now. But that benefits them massively in Europe, not in the league (where they'd actually be taking a bigger risk of unsettling the rhythm of a game they're probably leading in) .
It will also most definitely help younger players trying to break into the team which again, benefits every team equally as all Premier League teams have good academies.
For me it's a step in the right direction and the main beneficiaries will be those with smaller squads whose season can fall apart off the back of 2 or 3 hamstring injuries; that were many times, avoidable if more subs were available. I think the league managers of the "smaller" teams were looking at it in the complete wrong way and actually cutting their nose off to spite their face. The big 6 have about 20-25 good players so 5 muscle injuries is manageable. The teams outside that 6 have about 12-15 good players so if they're hit by 5 muscle injuries they're in trouble.
I doubt i'll change you mind on this Ed025, as you've probably already convinced yourself this doesn't benefit Everton and that's okay. But in the interest of balance, i think it's important to have both sides of the coin on here. I think every team will be grateful for this change and i wouldn't mind betting there will still be games where Klopp and Pep don't even use all 5 subs ??♂️.
{Ed025's Note - I like to play devils advocate at times MK and put an alternative spin on things. You should know by now never to take me too seriously mate…after all I’m an evertonian..?
18 Jun 2022 10:48:32
A tad bitter Ed. Your team had the investment and clout but didn’t use it correctly, which is down to Everton more than anyone else. Players like Davy Klassen who were never good enough before they signed.
Under Moshri you could argue it was Everton’s richest period, but it wasn’t managed well at all, and you recruited complete crap.
{Ed025's Note - I can’t argue with that jonesey mate..
18 Jun 2022 11:28:34
I would have preferred the rule be the additional 2 substitutions be youth players or under a certain age to encourage giving youngsters a chance but still able to rest players. Win win for everyone that way but probably a bit naive.
18 Jun 2022 11:32:56
Noble idea LFCSTE29 but you'd find clubs only using 3 substitutions 99% of the time then.
{Ed002's Note - That approach is used elsewhere in Europe.}
18 Jun 2022 11:58:28
Anyone blaming Everton's awful spending on anything but incompetence needs to give their head a wobble. Who cares anyway, if some mad rich bloke hoses a tonne of his cash on sub par footballers. I find it funny since its not the reds anymore, but it was once. Ruddock, Thomas, Dicks, Clough Stewart etc etc.
As for the 5 sub rule, well if they reduced the leaguer size by one or two teams it would make things easier on the players . This new rule will give youth more of a chance and avoid injury, which can only ever be a good thing for all.
It os common knowledge that playing in the EPL will take its toll more than in other leagues . Look at Bobby, he should be in his prime now, but the poor lad has been flogged to death.
18 Jun 2022 12:01:57
MK, I completely agree. Why push players so hard? If you want elite performances from elite players, then learn how to honour the physicality and limitations .
18 Jun 2022 11:40:02
Disagree there Ed025. Football has never been a level playing field. But England compared to other regions are in far better shape.
There is hardly any “Have not’s”. Aston Villa have made two good signings (one is Coutinho) . Do you place them in the Privilege class?
Every owners are rich in England. Period.
If the top 6 joins super league the remaining will have another new top 6. It’s as simple as that.
Liverpool were rotten ten years ago struggling to attract both players and sponsorships.
The club never got any privileges.
{Ed025's Note - their history gives them privileges TT and I suppose that’s fair enough. But don’t try to convince me that skys darling 6 don’t get preferential treatment mate..
18 Jun 2022 12:11:56
Adding a condition that two or three of the five subs are limited to u21s would do the game good all round.
18 Jun 2022 12:19:40
I really like this idea LFCSTE29.
18 Jun 2022 12:20:50
I think the benefits are across the board . 2,3 or 5 subs the richer teams always going to have a better players to come on. It just means less unrest and headaches for managers with injuries/ bans and keeping players fresh and happy with game time.
18 Jun 2022 12:29:17
History doesn’t give any privileges. Success certainly does and that comes of hard work and excellent planning.
By your logic City shouldn’t get any preference. They don’t have a rich history like UTD and LFC.
“You only throw stones at a tree where there are apples” ?? you don’t throw on an empty tree. Do you.
18 Jun 2022 15:02:20
Harry would you mind if I asked where you’re from? You have some of the most interesting turns of phrase. I’m going to guess Turkey.
18 Jun 2022 15:19:14
I think there are two sides to this 5 subs rule though. How often do Man City and Liverpool score late on due to battering teams into submission for 70 mins. This allows the teams that park the bus to bring on players of a similar standard to the ones on the pitch with fresh legs to help see out the game.
18 Jun 2022 18:22:40
Yep the teams outside the "top 6" can waste even more time now w 2 extra subs.
18 Jun 2022 21:25:06
More subs will benefit the big teams because they will keep and buy more and better players. Take a guy like Minamino. It's terrible for football overall that he is on Liverpool, lingering on the bench. The guy could be starring for a mediocre team, and would make a bunch of teams more competitive while being a nailed-on first choice.
The way the world works now, the big teams get to collect players like him for their cup games and benches. If the talent were more spread out, the league would be a lot more competitive.
I like the five subs rule! But I would also prefer to see the game evolve financially so that there's more turnover between good and bad teams. As a Liverpool supporter, thinking selfishly, I like things the way they are. But overall I would prefer to play in a league that wasn't loaded with teams that have no chance while players who could be helping them are stuck as bit players on great teams.
19 Jun 2022 05:19:14
@Transition_Time “History doesn’t give any privileges” …… Have you heard of the British Royal Family? As a very small example, when Prince Charles was born he automatically became the owner of Cornwall and then when he was 18 he was made the Prince of Wales. Not sure if anybody asked the people of Cornwall or Wales for their thoughts on the matter.
18 Jun 2022 12:52:01
Football might never have been a level playing field but "Back in the day" the likes of Villa and even Ipswich could be at the top of the table after Christmas and sometimes even won the league, a good manager and a good player could change the table over a season. Unless some billionaire buys a lower league team we will never see those days again.
Unfortunately Ed 25 I agree with you here.
PS what LFCSTE29 said is a really great idea.
18 Jun 2022 15:15:33
Ed25 surly 5 subs would suit Everton as after you’ve dived and hacked your way to 5 bookings in the first 60 minutes you can replace them and continue to boot anything that moves whilst avoiding 2nd yellow cards and subsequent bans ??.
18 Jun 2022 20:23:52
Ed0025 I think the 5 sub rule plays into Everton’s hands mate. It gives the manager 2 more extra opportunities to sub off the rubbish Pickford and Richarlison every week ?.
19 Jun 2022 09:07:38
Ed25 think you’ll find there’s a Big 1 (was 2 but Chelsea may not be same going forward) . Might go Big 2 if Newcastle get act together. Then there’s ManU due to revenue and debt. Then there’s Liverpool and Chelsea. Then Arsenal and Spurs.
Big 6 just doesn’t sum it up anymore. And I’m not sure the rich (ManCity and Newcastle) can get any richer ?.
{Ed025's Note - you are right up there with them 1jj. Your 5 over £70m players tells us that mate. But if you like I will start a go fund page for LFC and we can all throw a knicker in .. ?
19 Jun 2022 11:22:31
Just a wondering for ed 25 regards favouring the top sides but would it not give a chance to a few youngsters to get some game time?
A few gems for the lower placed teams might get the opportunity to shine when they might not have got the chance before hand.
{Ed025's Note - if it did I would be happy UN. But you and me are in the real world mate and we know it will be taken advantage of by the have’s..