17 Oct 2024 13:34:25
Hi Ed's
I know Liverpool won't get anything if Trent decides to leave at the end of his contract.
If clubs sign you players that have been trained by a club then compensation is due. I just wondered at what point this ends.
{Ed002's Note - When the player is 24.}
17 Oct 2024 16:48:43
Would this still be the case for a foreign club? I can only remember off the top of my head it happening from clubs within England.
{Ed002's Note - Yes.}
17 Oct 2024 20:14:14
Whats the verdict on how trent would fit in at Real? Would he fit seemlessly into the new galacticos, or be just another good player amongst the many? Would he be as revered and loved there as he is in L4?
18 Oct 2024 00:48:56
Vango he would go and absolutely ball out in Spain. No questions at all and I’m sure he would be loved there too as they win a few more champs leagues.
18 Oct 2024 02:26:39
if TAA goes to spain it will make me think less of him as a person but not as a footballer. he is excellent at what he does and i sincerely hope he stays, but if he does go, we will replace him, we have lost many great players over the years and kept going. we already have bradley to fill his spot, maybe bring someone in like frimpong to take his place, no matter what, he will be replaced and the team will move on. I don't see it as much of a disaster as some, I have lived through us losing kenny, souness, neal, hansen etc and tbf i don't think he fits into that class of player at all however good his passing range and deadball skills are. we survived before, we will survive again, we are liverpool fc.
18 Oct 2024 08:25:36
I think, like many other players throughout Liverpool's history, TAA is a better player for being a Liverpool player. What I mean by that is that he seriously benefits from the backing and support he gets from the supporters and of course he massively benefited from having Klopp as his manager. He is forgiven for his (at times poor) defending, for being out of position frequently and for losing possession needlessly on a regular basis. He will not be forgiven these things at Real Madrid. He will have to adapt and do so immediately. You do not get time to bed-in.
18 Oct 2024 08:49:02
Vango, is he really revered and loved here? The media and pundits constantly go after him. Including ex-Liverpool players. He's taken dogs abuse from so-called Liverpool fans on every social media platform and internet forum I've ever visited. I'd say the English media in general is bordering on unanimously anti-Trent and the Liverpool media is spilt about 50:50.
I'd go if I was him. More money in his pocket, more trophies in his cabinet, more time with his best mate Jude and more respect from the fans/ media in a country that appreciates world class passing qualities more than any. He's probably in the top 10 most talented English players this century and yet if you go and start a conversation about him in any pub in the country, most people around the table (even Liverpool fans) will have you believe he is somewhere between a bang average and dreadful RB.
18 Oct 2024 09:54:48
Vango, you say he is revered by Liverpool fans but your comments on this thread, and by many others in the past suggests otherwise. It took one comment by a poor excuse for a manager that he "can't defend" and many immediately jumped on that. It also wasn't too long ago that many were suggesting selling him since Bradley is supposedly already a better RB than him. If anything, I would say that Trent is underappreciated.
It's not even reported anywhere that he is signing for Real Madrid and even then, he is already receiving pelters for it. And even if he were to sign for RM, it would be the fault of the club for not offering him a contract in a timely manner than it is his fault for not signing a non-existent LFC contract.
18 Oct 2024 10:22:39
Trying to understand why a move to real would make someone think less of him as a person?
18 Oct 2024 10:45:42
MK Scouser- He is loved by the partizan fan base and his stats speak for themselves, at least in this team. I am not going to angry if he leaves, its his life, dreams and desires that count-i don't buy the loyalty thing in the century of self.
My points about some of his shortcomings are not unfounded either, and my initial question was aimed at starting a debate.
Personally i have mixed feelings about how well he may do over there, where he will be just another player, rather than one of the star players, and yes, any mistakes could be met even more ferociously then they have been here.
Teams did not 'target' Trent for no reason-He has his brilliant skill set, and also areas where he is less strong.
I may even start watching a team that i loathe if he goes there.
18 Oct 2024 11:51:02
I've heard Trent would have to take a pay cut if he moves to Madrid.
If it was me in that situation I would be going nowhere. Even if they offered me a pay rise. Be assed with cheating English teams never mind Spanish ones.
18 Oct 2024 12:02:02
Vango, I think Trent catches a lot of very unfair flak on this topic. Did they target "Trent" or did they just target our "right side"? Because Salah has never been as hard working defensively as Mane/ Diaz, Konate/ Matip/ Gomez were never as good at RCB as Virgil was at LCB, and Robbo was never asked to drift into midfield like Trent was.
Also, I'd argue that generally speaking most teams tend to attack down the left more naturally. If you think about it, most players are right footed so they'll naturally sweep their passes out to Trent's side, as you have to open up your whole body as a right footer to clip a pass in behind a left back. Also, for some strange reason most teams quickest winger is usually the one on Trent's side as well. Doku (City), Vini Jr (Madrid), Martinelli (Arsenal), Son (Spurs), Kvaratskelia (Napoli), Mudryk (Chelsea), Gordon (Newcastle), Rashford (United) etc. How often does Robbo face that level of blistering pace running at him or in behind him? Also, even if you forget the speed side of the argument, Saka is probably the only world class right winger in Europe other than our own Salah, in my opinion.
So I put the question to you again, did they target Trent specifically, or were their multiple factors that make our right side a preferred route to goal?
18 Oct 2024 12:27:49
MK Scouser-Some good points, and a good question. I will be interested to see how he fares at Real, should the inevitable occur. His passing with Vini, Mbappe and Jude lurking could shine even more brightly, and I could see why he may want to test himself against the best.
Perhaps part of the reason he is leaving (i think its highly likely), is to prove the doubters wrong, and good luck to him.
He deserves the opportunity.
Week in week out he will be playing against lesser players in the Spanish league, simply because the competition is nowhere near as strong as it is in the Prem but i think mistakes any mistakes will be pounced on even more so.
18 Oct 2024 16:01:50
I agree Adam, he is always singled out by pundits for being a 'poor' defender yet these same pundits praise Walker for his defending - when you watch the actual games and review their stats though, Trent comes away as better than Walker - less errors, more tackles, more interceptions, more recoveries etc yet everyone would have you believe Walker is a truly great defender.
He's not, he has pace and that's about it - his pace gets him out of so much trouble that he puts himself in by not reading the game at all. Then, when you look at the other aspects of the game such as passing, crosses, corners, free kicks etc, Trent just destroys any stat Walker has yet so many pundits and fans would rather have Walker in their team - I do not understand why.
18 Oct 2024 19:57:46
It’s the clubs lack of authority, lack of ambition that has led to this situation. It’s negligence at best and all this should have been avoided years ago. If you think small time you end up as Spurs.
18 Oct 2024 22:05:11
Why does there always have to be someone to blame Mark? There’s obviously a reason why it’s got to where it’s got but we don’t know enough about it to start pointing fingers.
It is what it is just let it play out and all will be fine, whichever way it goes.
19 Oct 2024 08:04:04
MK, agree with most of your points part from the one about him receiving love etc from Madrid fans and media over there. Both are notorious for turning backs on players, look at Bale and let's not forget the constant racism. Even his own fans hurl racist abuse at Vini Jr.
19 Oct 2024 08:09:23
That’s called putting you head in the sand and hoping for the best Beckers Pecker. No way our 3 star players should have got to this position with their contracts. Lessons need to be learned and quickly.
19 Oct 2024 08:32:23
Again @Mark - how is it a lack of authority (‘You will sign this contract right now or we’ll stop your pocket money’) or ambition? Can you imagine a situation where a player fulfils his contract and then chooses to move somewhere else? Can you imagine any scenario where the club lacks blame because the player has made a choice to move somewhere else?
As has been said, you always want someone to blame and you always chose to identify the worst scenario and then adopt it as fact.
It is entirely possible that one, two or even all three of the players want to do something else,
19 Oct 2024 08:34:53
It must be hard for guys to keep finding something to condemn their own club with when we're top of the table.
But they will always find something to cling to. something they can blow out of proportion to claim that the club lacks ambition or whatever.
It's as if they get no pleasure from the actual games at all.
Each to their own.
19 Oct 2024 08:59:44
There were periods of time when Trent especially would have signed a new deal. Equally there were times when top players were available and wanted to come and we missed out.
We must learn lessons and fast. I can’t remember any other top club leaving the top players to run down their contracts. Of course there are people who have failed in their basic work.
19 Oct 2024 09:58:40
I don't think top players leaving top clubs on a free is as rare an occurrence as we like to think since both Messi and Mbappe left on free transfers away from Barcelona and PSG respectively.
But to have three top players leave the same club at the same time on free transfers is unprecedented.
19 Oct 2024 10:55:28
I'm amazed at how many posters have insights into conversations that may have or may not have taken place between players and their representatives and LFC.
19 Oct 2024 10:58:32
Yep but your 3 best players at once! All with only 6 months left. that's never happened before.
19 Oct 2024 15:03:12
Trents wage package should be up there with VVD's, no doubt in my mind, but what would he get at Real, and is this even about money?
Is Mo still worth 350 a week as he is? Are contracts based on current output or history?
I'd say VVD and Trent are more important than the Mo Salah of now, but at the same time, even if all 3 left, would it necessarily mean that we become a worse team?
19 Oct 2024 18:10:39
Trent will find out at Real Madrid he is not special. Every Spaniard can pass the ball like him in La Liga.
19 Oct 2024 23:01:15
Don’t be absurd Leek. La Liga is an average league and the best players in Spain are not Spanish. Trent would be the best passer in that league by a distance.
20 Oct 2024 07:31:05
You keep clinging to the negatives @Mark- no doubt the next time we lose a game we’ll be subjected to a lecture about the need for a defensive midfielder and a lecture about who is to blame.
20 Oct 2024 08:37:29
If Trent isn't special then why the big fuss about extending his contract Leek?
21 Oct 2024 15:49:46
MK Scouser: “I’d go if I were him”.
Welp, why don’t you because you’re certainly not a Liverpool fan coming out with wool nonsense like that.
Embarrassing.
{Ed025's Note - i dont think you can ever say MK is not a Liverpool fan mate, hes been posting for years and is one of the best posters on here, dont confuse an alternative view with being a negative nellie..
21 Oct 2024 18:54:31
Ed025, I think that’s the nicest thing you’ve ever said about me ?
Why0why, are you suggesting that guys like McManaman or Torres are not Liverpool fans just because they chose to leave the club? Because when you hear how they talk about Liverpool it’s abundantly clear they never stopped loving the club. I left my dream job. My old boss disrespected me in front of colleagues so in the heat of the moment I updated my CV and stuck it online! 2 weeks later I was offered a 50% pay rise somewhere else and it was a no brainer from there ??♂️.
21 Oct 2024 21:27:07
The Madrid fans would turn on him the moment his performances drop below 8/ 10 for a few weeks. They are currently giving Bellingham a hard time for not being as good as last season in terms of scoring. It doesn't matter that he's been injured or that Mbappe has come in and taken the limelight.
Trent would get grief if they let a couple of goals on his side.
25 Oct 2024 08:56:36
I think if Trent did decide to go you'd suddenly find our media think he's the greatest right back who ever lived. Call me conspiratorial but I think a lot of the negative press he gets is because he's a Liverpool player. If the same guy was born in London and played for Chelsea or arsenal the negative press wouldn't exist.