22 Oct 2024 22:05:40
Ed2 is the rumours of a new takeover bid, click bait.
{Ed002's Note - FSG are still looking to expand their presence in football from owning Liverpool to taking stakes in other sides. They have looked at Toulouse (which investors in FSG, RedBird Capital, own 85% of) but then settled on the far cheaper and in huge trouble, Bordeaux. and want to purchase a MLS side or to take a minorty share in one. The cost of adding Bordeaux means unpaid taxes, unpaid rent for the stadium and other debts would have to have been cleared by July 2024 and they weren't so they have been relegated to the third iter of French football - so that is now off the table. I suspect the reality of the state of Bordeaux resulted in FSG stepping away to concentrate on investing in an MLS side whilst they continue their chase for a new NBA franchise in Las Vegas. With one time potential Everton owners 777 Partners having a crumbling empire, clubs are looking at their assets. Vasco da Gama is part of that and has been for sale for a while with BlueCo having had exploratory talks after signing two players from them last summer. FSG could look to them also but there could be some legal hurdles to deal with as a Brazilian Court has removed the owners from being able to run the club. Standard Liege, Genoa, Hertha Berlin and Red Star Paris are also embroiled in this mess. Perhaps FSG's new friends at the Saudi PIF would be interested in some sort of further joint venture. There has certainly continued to be a thought that the PIF would like to move on from Newcastle and look to a higher profile side. In order to do so in England, or realistically in Europe, they would need to sell Newcastle or restructure the ownership somehow? Their primary target is Barcelona but it is owned by the supporters who nominally operate the club and there is no practical way taht the socios can sell. Already in bed with FSG, they could look to creating a partnership that takes Liverpool on board. This has the advantage that it will give FSG the funds to likely obtain the NBA Francise and MLS side they so desire - but I suspect there would be a huge backlash by supporters. Representatives of the Saudi PIF have also looked at Chelsea and Spurs.}
23 Oct 2024 10:14:27
I’d take Saudi owners with no complaints. Keep us competing at highest level and give us the best chance of trophies. They been great at Newcastle imo.
23 Oct 2024 10:36:03
Not for me Brummy.
23 Oct 2024 12:16:46
Might need to throw the rainbow laces away.
23 Oct 2024 13:48:05
As always thanks in advanced and if not right place sorry! As an LFC and Tranmere fan, is the reported Rihanna and her partners take over bid actually legitimate? Assume as news died out so no, but is that random thought would query!
Seems strange as with two top English clubs nearby assumed growth would be limited - but on other hand if not aiming for BPL offers a good friendly place for fans both blue and red to regularly take family to a friendly football match with reasonable prices!
{Ed002's Note - I answered this on the Everton page yesterday: {Ed002's Note - I don't know what a "Rocky and Rihanna" is but there is a group of American investors looking to buy into lower-tier football clubs with a number for sale including Tranmere, Treviso, Pro Vercelli etc.. Moneyball is a baseball term. I don't know what the eventual investors will look to do but it will be purchased with a view to bringing a return on the investment.}
23 Oct 2024 14:20:49
Ah didn’t see that - cheers for info.
23 Oct 2024 21:11:36
Does us potentially doing something wrong to follow suit with other clubs doing wrong make us right? Seems it’s apparently ok from a business perspective but perhaps not from a more global humanitarian perspective, which, in my opinion, supersedes sport.
23 Oct 2024 17:58:31
Are Everton classed as below them then Ed?
{Ed002's Note - Everton should have new owners by the end of the year.}
23 Oct 2024 18:37:43
Thank you for the reply ed2.
24 Oct 2024 06:50:27
@Brummy. These owners brought in Klopp, bought (I'm not suggesting they were involved directly ya) the superstars that we have now, won PL, CL etc. So, I don't really get what you are trying to say.
24 Oct 2024 09:27:04
Ed002 what are the pro's and cons of buying or being a partner in multi clubs, for both the owners and fans . there seems to be only a few who seem to run it well. ie city group, red bull.
{Ed002's Note - It allows the owners to have players come through the other clubs via loans, or in the case of the City Football Group, through buying and selling. Sometimes, when it doesn't work out a player can be given a loan to a partner side to see if there is a chance of improvement (e.g. Darío Sarmiento). Sometines a club may send a player on loan for game time (e.g. Andrey Santos). So for the playing staff there are benefits. For owners, the most significant benefit is in the potential profit (e.g. Red Bull Salzburg who largely came from nowhere 20 years ago). On the downside, the success of Red Bull Salzburg has resulted in them having to drop the "Red Bull" when playing in international competitions. There is also scrutiny of all transfers between related clubs.}
25 Oct 2024 00:16:28
Haizen, yes they got Klopp which was by far and away the best thing they have done for the club. I would argue they didn’t buy any superstars, Klopp made them. As you have seen for the last few years we did not push on from the super team that Klopp built - additions of ‘superstars’ to that team would have arguably had us win a lot more. As Klopp realised you can’t perform miracles on a budget year after year - PIG owners would relieve that pressure and let us challenge year after year without having to get every signing right. That is what I’m trying to say. Thanks.
25 Oct 2024 05:07:14
Brummy - lol cos Newcastle are competing at the highest level then lol do you read what you write before you write it?
it's a pretty useless argument you're making. because the only teams you can compare our spending too haven't achieved anywhere near what we have.
25 Oct 2024 10:37:44
Ed002, thanks for the info.
25 Oct 2024 13:13:41
Faith - Newcastle have been limited by FFP and were starting off in a far worse position than ours fighting relegation. Think for yourself mate.
26 Oct 2024 09:58:42
I don’t think Klopp made Van Dijk and Alisson.
They were top class players from day 1.
The profile of the club certainly helped their careers.
26 Oct 2024 16:29:30
Both Virgil and Alisson became three or four times the player they were before at Liverpool, not sure why you think they were already at that level before coming here. Before coming here they had all the tools to possibly be the best in their position, at Liverpool they made a claim to be the best and then laid rest to any argument that they were the best, Virgil went up another level again when he was given the captain’s armband and proved that he can lead by example and be an organiser taking responsibility instead of shirking it when things start going awry.
26 Oct 2024 23:00:16
Both players were world class from Day 1 at Anfield.
They just “became better” by walking through the gates?
They were already great players, hence the fees.