14 Aug 2025 14:44:22
Few people asking about Isak, as far as im aware nothing major has changed.
Liverpool have been in constant talks with him and his agent and also with Newcastle, Liverpool know what fee would be accepted, but still, Newcastle need a replacement and they really don't want a deal to be done quick.
As soon as a replacement is lined up I can tell you now it will move a lot faster. Isak wants Liverpool, Liverpool want Isak, and they will pay for him, no doubt about it.
14 Aug 2025 15:10:25
I know he’s midfield but is the signing of Ramsey considered a replacement at all? Or are they waiting for an actual striker before releasing him.
14 Aug 2025 15:17:51
They want a striker.
14 Aug 2025 15:19:33
And what happens if Newcastle don’t sign a striker?
14 Aug 2025 15:20:38
I think they should go for Samu Aghehowa and Wissa and just get on with it. I had thought Jackson originally but the £80m that Chelsea apparently want is an absolute joke.
14 Aug 2025 15:26:45
Thanks for the information Robbo!
14 Aug 2025 15:50:50
Cheers Robbo. Thanks for the info, keep it coming!
14 Aug 2025 16:06:38
They have signed 4 players for positions they needed, GK, CB, cm, RW now they need that striker. Wissa to Newcastle then Isak can move. Maybe they can get Calvin Lewin. Newcastle fans furious with Isaks agent although he's the same one as Gyokeres.
{Ed025's Note - but Gyokeres is not stabbing Newcastle in the back though GSM..
14 Aug 2025 16:47:15
Does signing Isak mean Liverpool won’t get Osimhen and Martinez?
And yes, 28 is too old for Liverpool.
14 Aug 2025 17:32:58
But Gyokeres did stab sporting in the back Ed. Refused to return to training and said he’d never play for them again. So what did Sporting do? Negotiated a sale and sold him because that’s what proper football clubs do.
Players have been doing this since the year dot but you suddenly decide it’s the worst thing ever and they should all get the electric chair because it would benefit Liverpool?
Bitter much?
{Ed025's Note - nothing to do with Merseyside rivalry Robbo and my point was that Gyokeres has nothing to do with Newcastle mate, its about ethics, loyalty and doing the right thing, you are obviously the type who would sell his Grandmother if it meant you got the right player for your team, its about scruples for me and which team does not matter, a lot of why there is trouble in this world is avarice and greed and its people with the same attitude as you that fuels this..."pull up the ladder Jack im alright"..
14 Aug 2025 18:06:16
Newcastle is showing no consideration for the feelings of members of this forum.
14 Aug 2025 18:12:33
With ed025 here Liverpool fans were crying and complaining about Trent being a traitor etc when the club refused to sell him even though it was clear to everyone he wasn't staying.
Can't complain about our players wanting to leave and then justify someone else's players trying to leave at same time.
It's generally a bad sign when a player does stuff like that because if they'd do it to someone else they'd likely do it to you as well.
14 Aug 2025 18:15:11
So to answer your question, Robbo. Yes, mate. They're bitter. Lmao.
14 Aug 2025 18:25:03
@robboslostlegs … it’s an interesting point you make about what a ‘proper’ football club does. I’m not sure you are right. It is without a doubt what most clubs do, does that make it proper? I don’t think so. Ever since van hoojdonk this bull crap about striking out of your contracts been tolerated. It shouldn’t be. I want Isak because he’s arguably the best striker in the world after Haaland. But I do not respect his actions and I do not condone it. I suspect you were one of furious masses after Coutinho forced his way out, and rightly so, but what’s good for the goose etc. Isak has been treated like a king by Newcastle, his actions are reprehensible, his fans must be gutted and again rightly so. Football is in a horrible place in terms of contracts, what ever happened to giving someone your word and sticking to it. Newcastle are a proper club, they don’t deserve being forced to sign some sub par replacement because there is zero integrity in football anymore. Personally I’d ban agents tomorrow, it wouldn’t solve but would improve the situation.
14 Aug 2025 18:27:24
Keith Downie was once again wheeled out of the storage cupboard beneath St James’ Park, plugged into the club’s extension lead, and set to “broadcast" yesterday.
His latest transmission - delivered in that familiar flatpack monotone - floats the idea of Anthony Gordon playing through the middle, Jacob Ramsey inheriting the left flank, and Isak being sold to “maximise” value.
Sources suggest this was not Keith’s own thought, but rather a laminated note slotted into the speech-port at the back of his head by Newcastle’s hierarchy, much like replacing the instructions in a BILLY bookcase box. The paper still smelt faintly of meatball brine.
On the surface, it reads like tactical flexibility. Beneath, it’s the club quietly removing the centre beam from the dining table and hoping no one notices until the whole thing folds in on Boxing Day.
14 Aug 2025 18:50:05
The thing for me is, we have no idea what went on behind closed doors. For all we know, he communicated all this to the club last season, didn’t say a peep publicly and put everything into last season to get a trophy for them. And now they have gone against it and making it difficult.
Yes, on the face of it his actions may be the wrong way to go about it. But if we play devils advocate and he did say this to the club last year I think I’d be a bit miffed with the situation too. All of this talk about, he should give them a year, is perhaps what he’s just done?
There is a lot of PR out there at the minute, Newcastle and Howe trying to put it all on the player yet Isak still hasn’t said a word publicly. I actually think Howe has poured fuel on to this and better managers have dealt with it better.
There are three sides to every story, and we cannot just take everything at face value. There is more to this story imo and I feel it’s Newcastle trying to put a narrative out there that they don’t sell their best players but Isak has forced the issue.
We have had players do this to move to us and we have had players do this to leave us. It is part of the game unfortunately and I don’t see any way that it’s removed.
I think the move gets done, but probably next Friday just after the deadline to register him to play against Newcastle.
14 Aug 2025 18:52:42
I like to hear all the opposing views, great commentary and good points being made.
I agree that players shouldn’t kick up a stink when they have a contract they willingly signed.
I also think that if Isak’s been made promises that weren’t kept and has been trying to do things the right way (according to some reports, for the last year) by letting the club know he wants to go etc. then on a human level I can absolutely understand his frustration.
We do forget they’re just human sometimes and only young ones at that. But yes, they know what they’re doing, they’re not little kids in a school yard, so I say that purely for balance.
So yeah, he could and should have gone about it all in a better way maybe…let’s not forget that we can throw in there that the clubs recruitment has been abysmal and they don’t even have a DoF or a CEO effectively pulling the strings…so again, I’m sure there’s some frustration on the players side with that too.
Lastly, we can’t be naive enough to think that clubs don’t know the game they’re playing…they know certain players can and likely will outgrow them. They know that those players need to be compensated to keep happy or at least feel valued for what they’re doing. They also know that if a players been promised things that they don’t deliver that the player will be annoyed and I think the same goes in any walk of life.
Bottom line, Isak hasn’t acted well and if it was one of our players I’d be furious…but in old enough to know that there’s two sides to every story and most anger is being pointed at the player right now…you could even say some of it may have been engineered.
Anyway, off to the match tomorrow and I’m f*cking buzzing! YNWA.
14 Aug 2025 18:36:24
There's a massive difference between a player running down his contract on purpose to move for free to gain a massive signing on fee and a player who has apparently told the club he wants to leave as they haven't sorted a contract or fulfilled the scope of the project after signing the player. Either way if true they are going to get a massive fee for him which I wouldn't have had a problem with trend, if we had received a decent fee for to rebuild with. You can't compare the two in my opinion.
14 Aug 2025 18:36:36
When a team is on top they are there to be shot down because I’m the good old uk we only like an underdog, all this rubbish about doing what’s right is only masking the truth so suck it up and be honest about things and stop hiding behind what’s right and wrong in the world! It’s football not life or death !
14 Aug 2025 19:15:16
Look guys a certain Ed will never agree about lfc and the Isak saga! Blue bias! Lfc made it known they were interested in him, it’s like they rocked up at his home held a gun to his head and said what’s it to be Alex. Pathetic! It’s obviously the first time in the history of football this has ever happened!
14 Aug 2025 19:30:19
What if a player has to run down his contract because his club won't give him another?
And how many players agree to a move so that their club can get a massive transfer fee?
Clubs also don't honour players' contracts. I'm sure we all know of instances where players are sold even when they don't want to leave.
Especially in WC seasons ?.
14 Aug 2025 18:00:17
Tbf Gyokeres went on strike and got docked a months pay - so pretty similar to Isak. Also sounds like Wissa is doing something similar. I think it’s just players in general don’t respect contracts. Maybe there should be fines in place for agents, as they are effectively culpable.
{Ed025's Note - Agents have ruined the game Swig..
14 Aug 2025 18:29:49
When did I say I agree with it Ed? Don’t put words in my mouth.
All I said was Gyokeres did exactly what Isak is doing. Worse in fact yet nobody is bothered. The Isak situation might benefit Liverpool though so you are up in arms. It’s so blatantly obvious it’s because of Merseyside rivalry, pull the other one.
Players have been doing this for years because they want what’s best for themselves, their families and their careers. We’ve had it done to us more than once it all part of football and rightly so.
With PSR now a thing transfer fees are even more important than ever and form a large part of some clubs profits. Chelsea for example are set up to take advantage of it. Newcastle will happily take advantage of it with players they are happy to get rid of but we are supposed to feel sorry for them because they don’t want to lose Isak and will only get £130-£150m?
What would you prefer to happen? A player telling the club he wants to go mid contract so they get remunerated handsomely for him and are able to sign replacements or a player refusing to sign new contracts and leaving for nothing? I know which I’d prefer and which is fairer on all parties.
Newcastle have caused this mess by not letting the player go when they said they would. Of course a player shouldn’t refuse to play but he wouldn’t need to if they had just done the right thing by him.
There’s always more to every story and I’m afraid you’ve been sucked in by the media propaganda and you are quite happy to be sucked in because it’s something that might benefit Liverpool.
You’re not the only one I’m seeing it from pundits all across the media because they have allegiances to other teams.
What should’ve happened is Newcastle selling Isak. It’s that simple. It’s what we did with Torres, Suarez, Coutinho, it’s what Sporting did with Gyokeres, PSG with Neymar, Utd with Ronaldo and going back even further Barcelona did with Figo. It’s football, players move, it’s only a problem when you get stubborn clubs who can’t accept that.
{Ed025's Note - but tell me this Robbo, if next year Wirtz gets tapped up by Man City and they offer him a 50% pay rise and offer Liverpool £200m for him then he asks to leave what do you say?...yes thats fine we will accept that ?, or do you fight to keep your player?, it has nothing to do with rivalry mate its about appreciation of what you already have.
I must say i do like our debates though even though we dont always agree..
14 Aug 2025 18:32:31
I can only half agree with you there, Nevada.
VVD hasn't done it to us since he left Southampton whereas Mane DID do it to us, and when he did, we sold him for a price that many on the boards here thought was too low.
I will call on Ed025 again as I don't think you properly responded to Robboslostlegs - Gyokeres has acted the same as Isak to get his move - obviously, Gyokeres as nothing to do with Liverpool and Newcastle just as Isak has nothing to do with Arsenal and Sporting.
So, is Isak's behaviour more like VVD and born from frustration at broken promises by his current club? Or is it more like the way Mane and Suarez acted when they wanted to leave Liverpool to (in their minds) progress their career? That's the nub of the issue for me.
I personally believe that it's the former - more like VVD's situation - than the latter, but I guess we will never know (until the autobiography! )
{Ed025's Note - my problem with Robbo,s view Zed is that he thinks Newcastle should just give in to Isak,s demands and let him go, i would want my club to fight tooth and nail to keep our best players mate and not just roll over and play dead, but i can live with other peoples views...even if they are totally wrong.. :)
14 Aug 2025 19:09:19
Ed0025 is it really any different mate?
Gyokeres forced his way out of sporting. Nothing to do with Newcastle granted.
Wissa is forcing his way out of Brentford. To Newcastle’s benefit.
So Newcastle don’t have a particularly tall moral high ground to stand on.
{Ed025's Note - its all wrong Wassa and thats what im saying, if a club want to sign a player then they ask the holding club of his availability...if they say not for sale then thats the end of the story unless a higher figure can change things, but if its no not at any price then its goodnight Vienna, on a different note mate do you really want to sign a snide like Isak who will refuse to play or go on strike to get what he wants...friggin brat..
14 Aug 2025 21:09:10
I get that Ed025, but if Isak (or Gyokores or anyone else) had been promised a pay rise to keep him at the club, not got it, asked politely to be allowed to leave as a result, and then been blocked, are either party in the right so much?
Like I said, we’ll never know the background until the books some out!
{Ed025's Note - some of these rumours get lost in translation Zed, was he really promised a rise?, did he really ask politely?..do his turds smell of roses?, i suppose we are all guessing mate..
14 Aug 2025 23:10:51
If City offered £200m for Wirtz and he told us he wanted to go we should sell him 100% Ed.
I’ve played football at a reasonably high level and I can tell you once a player wants to go there’s no point keeping him so you might as well get what you can.
You of course sit him down and talk it through to see if there is anything you can do to keep him but if he still wants to go then you get the best deal you can.
And Hoody I was not one that was furious about Coutinho or Trent or Suarez or Torres because once they want to leave Liverpool they’re irrelevant to me. I support Liverpool not any particular player and I’ve been watching football long enough to know that players come and go.
I’ve seen some truly great players leave Liverpool and we’ve always been ok.
I do feel sorry for Newcastle fans because their club is letting them down badly. It’s not nice when you’re emotionally invested in a player and they decide to leave but the club has made this into a saga and has released information designed to rile the fans up and deflect any blame from themselves.
The club just need to sell the player and move on.
15 Aug 2025 08:10:21
Robbie keep doing what you are doing mate ? it’s not you who’s talking crap it’s mother Theresa blue.
15 Aug 2025 09:46:36
Selling Coutinho was transformative for us. If you get a ridiculously huge offer for one player who wants to go, sell them, use the money to get players in who want to play for you and if you spend it wisely not only do you not miss that player you sold, you can go on and achieve more with the players brought into the squad. Based on our experience with Pipco if i was Newcastle I’d sell and that’s without bias. They could easily then go out get a top class keeper, top class defender and a striker and improve their starting 11. No one can tell me that wasn’t one of the best bits of business we ever done.