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22 Jun 2013 11:38:16
Hi Eds and Red. Is it fair to suggest that the transfer budget has been used on these first four signings and that future player purchases will be dependent on player sales? If so, do you believe all monies made from sales would be made available for purchases? Thanks {Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the finances as it causes confusion as folks seem to struggle with anything other than the fee itself. What is paid would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number including any levy applied by the local FA.
(b) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(c) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents.
(d) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(e) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches.
(f) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(g) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered)
(h) Variables and tax on variables which may or may not be reclaimable) – these would typically include legal fees, moving/relocation costs, paying up insurance costs on the player, football association fees, signing on fee etc.. This was off the top of my head and I may well have forgotten something. The big numbers are the transfer fee, agent fees (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years) and possibly other intermediary fees (what do you mean you have a super agent?}


1.) Super Agent. now that's a cool job!

2.) God agents are money-grabbing *****

3.) Thanks for this insight to how it works and costs involved Ed0002 eye opener.

4.) Id love to go for a drink with you ed002 your a very knowledgeable person indeed




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18 Aug 2021 15:51:40
Eds, was there any Middle Eastern bid earlier this year before the ESL breakaway attempt and, now that that avenue is closed (for now) would FSG ve open to selling at the current valuation of the club on the basis that there isn't much more juice that can be squeezed from this particular fruit? Thanks.


{Ed002's Note - No - this sounds like the Daily Mail. Nobody simply submits huge bids for football clubs like that.}

1.) 18 Aug 2021 17:07:29
Close, I think the Mirror ran the story and I suspected it was BS.
Would an offer now, following the ESL failure, be more welcomed in your opinion or do you feel the partial sale to Red Bird is indicative of FSG looking to continue ownership in the short to medium term?
Appreciate your reply, thank you.

2.) 18 Aug 2021 17:49:26
There's lots and lots of juice yet to be squeezed BobbyF, I'll be shocked If they'll even think abt selling especially when the valuation is just getting higher and higher. We've become their most valuable asset despite pendemic and have over taken Red-sox.

3.) 18 Aug 2021 19:02:13
This might be the case but I just can't see anyone buying at a £3b valuation, let alone a higher one in years to come.

4.) 18 Aug 2021 18:43:05
Out of interest do you have the figures to back that up?

5.) 18 Aug 2021 19:36:52
Why sale as a whole club when you can easily sale here and there some of your share for massive amount of money? FSG are proper business man can't see them selling all their shares in the club.



09 Jul 2021 13:39:01
Hi Eds, does the situation we see with some clubs such as Barcelona and Atletico, where they have players with huge salaries they need to get off their books because of deepening financial woes, provide opportunity to the likes of LFC in terms of loan deals?
Typically, LFC don't do loans withMoses and Sahin being the most recent but if, say, Atletico can't find a buyer for Saul Niguez (maybe due to wage budget restrictions), then is it possible LFC and other clubs could do more loan activity, especially LFC who do not have a treasure chest waiting to be spent?

Whilst salary would be an issue, with loan deals there would be a degree of negotiation where the parent club continues to pay part of the salary.

If we could sell squad players deemed surplus and replace with the odd signing plus an odd long term loan (ie 2 yrs) then this may help with squad depth whilst not breaking the bank as we try to recover financially from the effects of C.V..

I just don't think we play the loan market well enough and feel there could be growing opportunities for clubs like LFC.


{Ed002's Note - They need wages off the books and income coming in. Saul won't be leaving on loan unless there is someone willing to pay significantly higher than the asking price as an obligation to buy. Certainly Atletico won't be paying part of his salary.}

1.) 09 Jul 2021 18:13:05
Thanks for the reply. Have a lovely weekend.

2.) 09 Jul 2021 18:39:05
Ed2, just wondering what options clubs have in situations where they need to get a players wages off the books but can't. For example, what could Atletico do if they couldn't sell Saul at all? Would they have to keep him and just take the hit?

{Ed002's Note - Typically if it were critical they would sell another (Atletico have four players who there would be serious interest in if available) or would sell fringe players and work their way through it.}



20 Sep 2020 15:21:48
Seen the stats today over our defensive performance since and including the defeat at Watford in February.
Worst in the league for save %
17th in league for goals conceded
I know last season there would have been a degree of complacency with the league sown up, but we are seeing more individual errors and Allison, possibly, not proving as difficult to beat than previously.
Is it just complacency or are there more technical reasons behind, what was the best defence in the league, becoming much more leaky?


1.) 20 Sep 2020 15:54:15
The only stat that matters is league standing.



22 Jun 2019 17:11:56
On social media there is this debate over who was the biggest 'snake' in respect of leaving Liverpool - Sterling, Torres, Suarez or Coutinho.

For me, Suarez tops that list easily. Biting, racism, t shirts, Arsenal. all that activity affected the club's reputation and ultimately meant he was too much of a liability to keep against his will.
I don't think any of the other 3 did anything worse than what another pro has done at any other club and no conducted actions which affected the club's reputation.

Interested in the views of other cos social media seems to make Coutinho the bad guy.


1.) 22 Jun 2019 17:25:28
because most people on social media are fickle idiot fans that forget a player is a human being . If Torres, Owen, Coutinho etc thought they'll have a better life on warm spain than icy cold Liverpool, then no one should blame them, I'll do the same, most will do the same (but most are hypocritical idiots to admit it) . For the players you listed, Liverpool got a very good price so really was a win win situation .
Suarez is slightly different . for most of us that had the club reputation ahead of anything else . we were very happy he left, don't get me wrong he was a great footballer and we missed that . but he was a despicable human being and the further away he was from our club the better.

2.) 22 Jun 2019 17:34:31
Yeah, I'd probably agree Suarez.

Imo, Coutinho is getting more stick than the others atm because: He's the one who left most recently. He wasn't as good as Suarez, so there's less sense of 'owing' him anything for his performances. There was a sense the team as a whole was being built up to something good rather than relying on one or two players as we had done since the 90s, and he 'abandoned' us at that time instead of trying to be part of it. And finally Schadenfreude. His move hasn't worked the way he wanted it to.

Out of Sterling and Torres, I'm not sure who should get the least stick. (Apologies if my memory is wrong on any of this) :

Torres didn't refuse to train or play (at least that I've heard of), but maybe he would have if we'd tried harder to resist the move, and is alleged to have basically told the club late in the transfer window "I'm going to Chelsea, tough! ".

Sterling did refuse to go on a pre-season trip, iirc, and did that cringeworthy interview at the behest of his agent, but the way we handled him in 2014-15 was farcical. He should've been offered a new contract in the summer but wasn't, instead we waited for it to become apparent that BR was out of ideas for breaking down defences without Suarez and that another 'transition' period was in the offing, then offered him a contract. And then before Sterling or his agent said anything publically, BR started talking to the media about what a great offer he'd been given and that he should sign it. Clever.

3.) 22 Jun 2019 18:10:01
Suarez without doubt.
Torres got stick because he went to a direct rival.
But we did well out of all deals really.

4.) 22 Jun 2019 18:36:50
Torres had one knee and we sold him for 50 mil and that was a huge sum back then. He never stopped trying for us. I feel no ill will towards him at all.

Suarez is the worst human on the list withoit doubt

Owen still loves liverpool, i know he played for utd but its a bit different for players than it is for us fans

For me, the way sterling wormed his way out was shameful, the interview made everyone but city look like clowns. So as for being a snake and forcing a move its raheem for me.

Coutinio wasnt as bad as he's being made out. He really wanted to leave in the summer, Barcelona wanted him. But he gave us until January and i think it was being said that if we had a chance at the league then he would have left at the end of the season. As it was city had all but tied up the league and he left. Shame, we could have done with his magic against real madrid, we were so flat once salah was injured.

{Ed001's Note - why 'still' with regards to Owen? He treated the club with contempt while with us? Even as a kid he would turn up in Everton kit, despite turning them down to join us. He has never shown LFC any respect, so I am intrigued why you say he 'still loves Liverpool'?}

5.) 22 Jun 2019 18:41:12
Andy Carroll - he played like he was absolutely garbage virtually every game so could get a move away haha.

6.) 22 Jun 2019 19:26:27
I think Torres was sold false promise by bill and Ben back then (H&G) about new signings etc so u can’t begrudge nando as for the others they just wanted to play for bigger clubs in Barcelona and real part in parcel but I think Owen was the biggest snake!

7.) 22 Jun 2019 19:30:04
Couts and Suarez for sure for me. Suarez because of what has already been very well documented above. Couts for me not because it is the most recent, but the way he behaved before his ultimate move to Barca. The fake back injury, the sulking and the way he gave up if he lost the ball. He acted petulant in my opinion. Another one that hasn't been mentioned is Javier Mascherano. Just pitiful. But Ed001 makes really good points about Owen. I really can't blame Torres for wanting to leave at that point in time.

8.) 22 Jun 2019 20:34:22
For some reason, [some] Liverpool fans seem to have this assumption that our players should be die hard LFC fans, desiring to play out the rest of their careers at the club, and go on to retire as LFC legends.

Footballers are human beings, with dreams and ambitions which do not usually revolve around the club; they may be career related, family related, money related, religion related, etc.

They also have feelings and anyone can suffer depression, anxiety, etc. This can affect performance, attitude, desire, etc. Feelings can cause a decent bloke to behave unusually, just look at how poorly Torres performed towards the end of his LFC days - he just had no desire whatsoever.

I, myself, left a job in the past in order to seek pastures new. I went from being one of the hardest workers to not being arsed at all due to depression, and then I packed it in and moved away, and the move was probably one of the best decisions I ever made. For footballers bound by such great contracts, sometimes forcing the move is the only option. For a player suffering depression I can only imagine how much greater the burden would be, being told that you must see out the remaining 3 years of your contract. Would this not worsen the depression and the symptoms?

Unfortunately, the technology addicted fans of today look at footballers as robots or FIFA players; without dreams, ambitions, feelings etc. They do not take into consideration that there may be underlying factors leading players to seek a move away from the club.

9.) 22 Jun 2019 20:37:10
Suarez for me. It even felt as though that bite at the world cup was deliberate in his way to get out of the club so that we'd take a lower offer. Absolutely vile human being.

Another player, while I know he never stepped a foot wrong for the club, is Steve Mcmanaman. I think he should have showed a desire to move to La Liga and been honest about it so that Liverpool could have got a decent fee for him. It just came out of the blue. We all thought he was about to sign a contract extension and then BANG, he's sign a pre-contract with Real Madrid.

I know it's the club's fault deep down, but he'd have fetched a pretty penny back then and if he'd have been up front about his desire, the club would have acted differently. I actually put the loss of Stevie Mac as one of the pinnacle moments in our decline/ failure to rise back up. He's still one of the most skillful players I've seen in a red shirt for us.

10.) 23 Jun 2019 02:24:14
In the champions league final, linekar introduced owen and said "liverpool through and through of course" and owen nodded. I felt there was a little dig at him by gary, since he did play for utd and left us for such a low fee.

But i remember last years final, owen was asked who he thought would win. He said in his heart he wanted liverpool to win but his head said real. that's respect surely? Owen may have been a blue but he isn't now. Same with gerrard isn't it?

{Ed001's Note - Gerrard was never a blue.}



02 Jun 2019 21:04:12
This may seem like a silly question but what does the result last night do for the commercial side of the club?
After the 2005 CL win, I don't recall us making massive strides commercially, but that might be the passage of time growing increasingly fuzzy.
Is it that we are pretty much at the top of our game, commercially, already or does winning the CL open further options that defeat last night wouldn't have presented?


{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are in a good place commercially and this will provide the club with improved opportunities.}

1.) 02 Jun 2019 22:32:21
ed002 how big is football growing in the us now, And how good is Christian Pulisic and did we miss a trick in not trying to sign him for commercial growth over there .

{Ed002's Note - It is growing still and they are way ahead on ladies soccer. The quality is improving but it is a mix of very good American players, some good fringe players from elsewhere and generally older and/or fringe players from Europe. Training camps for youngsters in the US are some of the best in the world and much of that is down to a couple of individuals from Europe that got it running, in particular a Scot who moved out there in 1976 and never returned, and several European sides that have provided funding to help it grow.

I have said many times that players should not be signed for commercial growth, but I am well aware it happens. Pulisic is a well respected youngster and is, being American, bright - and that helps a lot. He will, I suspect, do well in London but you are only going to give yourselves stress if you start thinking (again), "oh boy we missed him".

Thanks for the question - a good one.}

2.) 02 Jun 2019 23:11:11
thanks for a great reply ed002 would not have wanted him just for his commercial growth but think if he is as good as everybody said its a double bonus for Chelsea.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea are also very well placed commercially so that was not the reason he was signed. But there was a simple reason.}

3.) 02 Jun 2019 23:27:09
Ed02, by chance is that Scot Charlie Cooke?

{Ed002's Note - It is, I didn’t think any of you would know him.}

4.) 03 Jun 2019 03:02:47
Yeah ed a good friend of mine went over a few years ago and he's been coaching teen youth sides since. The local talent isn't the strongest, but the facilities are top class, he's sent me pictures of training grounds and set ups that would amaze you how close they compare to the top level pro standards used here.

The infrastructure is perfect. I guess it's just the fact that the US have many more popular sports ahead of "soccer", any talented young athletic sporty kids will more likely be introduced to the main sports first. Local young talent will only be gain as the sport increases in popularity and interest.

Was always going to take plenty of time but I actually feel the MLS is growing faster than I would have thought. There are some young lads with big potential throughout Europe now. Mckennie, Adams, pulisic all teenagers playing regularly in bundesliga. Timothy weah too looks a prospect. And the lad Davies at bayern but I think he might be Canadian. MLS can be a sensible stepping stone too, many young South Americans are lately turning heads. Couple of argentinian boys in particular should get their moves to Europe soon. In the past though, many have struggled to make the step up but the quality is improving for sure.

{Ed002's Note - I would agree.}

5.) 03 Jun 2019 10:43:45
Yeah, I grew up in Memphis where he was a player and later coach for our NASL team. He was one of my favorites. I think he moved to Cincinnati?

{Ed002's Note - He did but he is now settled in California.}

6.) 03 Jun 2019 12:39:21
oh, good for him. I hope and trust he is doing well. If you speak with him again, please let him know he has a fan who remembers his Memphis days.

{Ed002's Note - I will do. I last saw him when he was visiting England to see an old coleague of his who is in pretty poor shape.}




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02 Jun 2022 18:19:37
I thought Ben Foster would have been a good choice but a. Former Utd player and b. Has he already got a move lined up?


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29 Jan 2022 18:11:09
Bhav_reds, I broadly agree but Dybala will be far from free and, at 28, is not really a long term replacement for any of the front 3, being less than 2 years younger than them.
I think any further attacking options would be better if they were 25 or below. Would be ideal if we had a new front 3 set for 3-5 seasons like the current trio have been.




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23 Aug 2021 00:08:33
My Shaq memory is seeing him substituted against Barcelona and how pumped he was coming off. It meant something to him and that's all I ever need to know.




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08 Aug 2021 20:30:02
IPC12 and KBL. In the 2 transfer windows we purchased VVD and Allison 'with the Coutinho money', we also purchased Keita, Fabinho and Shaq.
With other sales, we actually spent £70ish net, taking into account the Coutinho fee.




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31 May 2021 14:32:57
Personally, at the moment, I see Curtis as a Lallana replacement.
I am hoping his development in the next year or two will result in a player with more end product than Lallana.
I have no ossie with his work rate. He just gets caught out tracking runners or a cheap overturn of the ball. But these are bits of his game he will iron out.
My worry is Ox, sharqiri, Keita, Grujic, Wilson and Origi. All either are injury prone or will/ have deliver little. These guys need to be given a chance of firet team football and we need to price them at the lower end of our expectations.
If we can make £30-£40m from these sales and realease a lot of pressure on the wage bill, then another starting midfielder to replace Gini is viable - and hopefully the replacement would be a box to box player able to provide 7-10 goals a season
A midfield of Thiago, Fab, Hendo, Jones, Milner, plus a new signing who, arguably, could be a starter rather than squad player looks strong to me.
We then have Mane, Salah, Bobby, Jota and Elliott for the attacking roles and we know the club want to strengthen in this area too, so one more signing there and we would be good to go.

The only other point is, defensively. Going into the season with Matip AND Gomez means, for me, we can't sell Phillips and need 5 CB options. Only, if we sell one of Matip or Gomez should we consider going into the season with 4 CBs (Williams not being one of them - he needs a loan) .

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28 Nov 2021 21:59:50
Despite being a RB, Rob Jones did an excellent job there 95-96, keeping Stig out the team. Quality player robbed of a great career.




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13 Sep 2021 20:24:00
David James had the shot stopping ability, athleticism and presence to one of the LFC great keepers. But his head wasn't usually at the game, odd decision making at the worst times.

Memories of 90s pitches were that they would cut up - Old Trafford used to be awful at times, but during the winter our surface struggled. I might be wrong but the Highbury pitch always looked well kept.




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04 Sep 2021 16:41:56
Red Mersey, admittedly, Markovic and Ibe were more suited as wingers but they were utilised, on ocassions, as wing backs. I think MK is highlighting extremes woth those two, but Can as a CB was something more commonplace in his final season.




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30 Aug 2021 19:03:25
Man City lost at home to Leeds last season when Leeds played the 2nd half with ten men.
Playing against 10 doesn't guarantee anything.




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23 Aug 2021 00:14:44
If anything I would rather see Konate come in for Matip if one of the CBs is being swapped.
Virgil was up against Wood and Barnes at the weekend and you won't find many more robust and physical players in the league.
Whilst Matip had a good game, you could see him losing out more often, physically, than Virgil.
Again, big call to make and, personally, I wouldn't change the CBs but if I had to, I would want to see Konate alongside Virgil.