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21 Jul 2021 18:38:02
Reading in utter disbelief that Henderson maybe involved in a swap deal or not offered a new contract, on the pitch leaders are worth their weight in gold, if he’s sold how much 20 million as a 31 year old if we don’t offer a years extension to his contract then it’s utter madness.

Clee Red

1.) 21 Jul 2021 19:07:21
Totally agree with you there, Clee. Fortunately, so far, it just seems to be tabloid speculation, I wonder if its his agent doing what agents do at the time of contract negotiations?

I certainly hope its nothing more than that as I'd love Hendo to finish his career with us (and then join the coaching staff) and I believe he has recently expressed that he wants to do the same, so hopefully a storm in a teacup.


2.) 21 Jul 2021 19:08:49
Is it madness though. If and this is a massive if Saul came in to replace hendo what’s to say he wouldn’t be a great leader or captain!
All teams need to evolve it’s just a fact of life. We all get old it’s unfortunate but true. Hendo is getting older and will need replacing at some point. Am not saying kick the lad out the door am just saying it is inevitable it has to happen so if a great deal comes forward earlier than expected let’s not totally dismiss it.


3.) 21 Jul 2021 19:29:23
I can see both sides of this, love Hendo but don't see the big deal about a new longer contract not being offered to a super but injury prone player who'll be 33 by the end of the contract he already has. (17,24,27,32,30,21), that's the amount of league games Hendo's been available for over the last 6 seasons. At the age Hendo's at and with his previous history that record is only likely to get worse, i get that he's a leader and his presence around d place is huge but the most important thing is being available to play and we've just let another superb player who was NEVER injured go who was nearly exactly the same age so i think Hendo may have to compromise and realise he will be phased out over the next few seasons.


4.) 21 Jul 2021 19:49:02
If Hendo departs in this transfer window I will eat Eds2 Kippah.


5.) 21 Jul 2021 20:02:08
Im not worries but it nice to see so much love for Hendo now after years of grief.

If you look at every twitter post or YouTube video from lfc now, the comments are flooded with fans asking for Hendo to stay and get a new contract.

I absolutely want him to retire at the club, his influence is obvious.


6.) 21 Jul 2021 20:39:18
This is a non story and a mountain out of ample hill for no reason. A good amount of our players like the front three, Keita, Ox and Hendo could have been named in this non story and it would have generated the same manufactured rubbish we are seein today. Imagine this was Salah instead of Hendo. It would be the same thing.

Hendo has two years left on his deal so does the fact that contract talks are going on at all not signify the intent of the club to keep him? Clearly, that flew over the heads of the fans running with this rubbish. Hendo has tie to get his deal done with two years left so what is the problem?

The journos got their wish cos the thirsty fans now have a nothing burger to sink their teeth into. Not bothered. Hendo will get his deal and that will be that.


7.) 21 Jul 2021 20:39:38
I remember feeling the same about Stevei G and look what happened there. I new lad came in call Jordan and replaced stevei as a captain and leader and that turned out ok didn't it.


8.) 21 Jul 2021 20:58:36
Every football player has an expiry date no matter how much we love them. No player is bigger than the whole we have lost great players in the past and carried on and will do so again in the future. If Hendo stays, great, model pro, great leader but if it the time for him to go, so be it, he will go with great fondness and thanks for all he has given. Instead of all running around like headless chickens, let's trust that JK knows more than us.


9.) 21 Jul 2021 21:25:38
Maybe we should straight swap hendo for Bowen. :/.


10.) 21 Jul 2021 21:37:57
The passiveness of some of the comments is staggering. It’s like “oh well, life goes on”. Players like Hendo don’t grow on trees. It will a travesty if he’s allowed to leave at this point, given he has so much to offer.


11.) 21 Jul 2021 22:30:42
Henderson is a top class midfielder and they don’t come a dime a dozen. He’s also a proper leader. Selling him would be dumb as


12.) 21 Jul 2021 22:32:08
Where is all this swap “news” coming from? Twitter?


13.) 21 Jul 2021 22:38:12
"Reading in utter disbelief"

Yeah. You're right not to believe it.


14.) 22 Jul 2021 01:25:37
Henderson is going nowhere. He is the captain of one of the best clubs in world football. Where can he go that’s better. He loves Liverpool and he probably gets well looked after.

{Ed0666's Note - it’s not him wanting to leave it’s if FSG gives him the length of contract he would ideally like. I have to be honest I lf I was the owner I wouldn’t want a bunch of thirty somethings on huge wages with little sell on value.


15.) 22 Jul 2021 05:28:56
The club became great because Bill Shankly became our manager - everything we have done since he appeared was either achieved or enabled by his vision of what the club should and could be. He was a great ‘man of the people’ and understood and empathised with people and their love of the game and the club. What doesn’t get much airplay was that he was ruthless - the progress of the team came before any individual player. If a player had reached the end of his usefulness then he was replaced.

Jordan Henderson seems to be a fine human being with sensible views on how human beings should behave and be treated. He also seems to be a very good leader of the team on and off the pitch and he is a credit to himself and the club.

I am not sure what the snag with the negotiations is as I’m not part of the negotiations and hopefully an amicable solution can be agreed.

If not, and bearing in mind he will be 33 and a bit when his current contract expires, I would think it makes sense to move him on. IF (big if) he want’s to leave sooner rather than later then he should be rewarded for his service and allowed to try and sort out a deal that suits what he wants to do outside of our club.

Everybody is irreplaceable (otherwise Big Ron Yeats would still be turning out at centre half) .

{Ed001's Note - that's not true. The club was great before Shankly, it had been successful in periods before Shanks arrived. Secondly he was far from ruthless, quite the opposite, his problem was that he was too loyal to the players who did well for him. It was Paisley who changed that, not Shanks.}


16.) 22 Jul 2021 05:52:23
to be honest, I'd be wary of long term deals for a player who will be 33 and the types of injuries he's had. I'm not going to use the term injury-prone as I genuinely don't believe that is the case. but for any player to have multitude of knee, ankle, hip. groin issues would be a concern.

Ultimately Henderson is saying it isn't about the money but feeling wanted. I have no doubt about that, but there will be a limit to that. FSG will not want to commit loads for all reason above, but there will be some flexibility to that. I just hope they find a happy middle ground as he is the kind of club man and leader we need around as we are most likely going to be going through a transition in managers at that time.

Hopeful for good news :)


17.) 22 Jul 2021 07:29:18
Eds right, Paisley our most successful Manager started replacing players who had hit 31.Emlyn Hughes was the prime example. Club Captain, was caught out against United in the FA Cup Semi Final and never played again.
Henderson has 2yrs left on his contract, By that time his legs will be gone. I would not like fans to turn on him when his legs go, which they will. If its about money let him go.


18.) 22 Jul 2021 08:44:32
As much as I love our club captain and I always backed him I have to agree with Ed0666 and Tim.


19.) 22 Jul 2021 09:09:45
Henderson great captain. But he loves an injury and when it comes to crunch time in the season you can bet he’s missing that period. We’ve got a few of those players it’s not just him.


20.) 22 Jul 2021 09:11:22
Even if he doesn't sign a contract, so people think we'd actually sell him? He'll give his all until the day he leaves, which will be whenever his last contract runs out.


21.) 22 Jul 2021 10:01:49
Would it really be the worst thing in the world? Yes he's a great leader and a fantastic player but don't we have other leaders and potentially great leaders in the squad? Van dijk and trent would be 2 solid choices if he were to leave.

If his wages were also freed up then just maybe Saul could be signed who knows. Yes he will be missed but I'm sure the club know what they are doing in not handing out more huge contracts to players that are injury prone and have no re sale value.


22.) 22 Jul 2021 10:24:20
I’d say there’s a significant difference in a 31 year old footballer playing in the 70’s and one playing in the modern game.

The fitness, conditioning and lifestyles of the players is entirely different and almost incomparable. Henderson’s fitness and and conditioning are light years ahead of Hughes at the same age and it’s not inconceivable to say he’d have another 4 years at the top level if he looks after himself and avoids major injury.

Bearing in mind he can play very effectively as a midfield anchor and in central defence he’d still offer something to the squad even if he slows down. And that’s not mentioning his leadership skills, he’s been a great captain of the club, in terms of the silverware, that he’s respected by his peers and he’s a good example to others in how he conducts himself on and off the pitch.


23.) 22 Jul 2021 10:32:53
I’m not asking the owners to put him on a 5 year deal on massive wages just a years extension to his contract, we will keep him playing for the remainder of his best years then help bring others through just as Milner is.
These type of players are just as valuable off the pitch as on.

{Ed002's Note - It has nothing to do with the owners.}


24.) 22 Jul 2021 10:29:07
Ed01, not sure I agree with you about Shanks hanging onto players for too long, Alun Evans and Tony Hateley stick in my memory, although you’d have a case with St John and Yates.

I do mostly agree with your assessment of Bob Paisley’s approach to releasing players and that does chime with the point of my original post that all players have a ‘shelf life’ and in Henderson’s case the body might not stand up to the rigours placed upon it in the way that Millie’s can.

{Ed001's Note - Shanks himself said it and Paisley also said that he learnt from Shanks being too loyal. I will take their word over yours or anyone else's in this regard.}


25.) 22 Jul 2021 12:00:39
Yeah that’s right ed001 shanks learnt after his first team he build that one thing he league and cup and kept the players to long out of loyalty. Paisley was ruthless that why are success was far greater under him. I herd Alan Hansen tell a story how he was injured and Bob had been ill and the club had been on a winning run and Alan Hansen had been told he was not playing and Bob foun out and put him straight back in just to prove a point that he was back in control. I don’t think if it’s true we should Offer Henderson in my exchange deal but don’t think he needs a new deal this summer 2 years to run is plenty at 31 Chelsea have been one of the Best run clubs and they would not being offering him a new deal that the sort of thing Barcelona have done kept giving ageing stars to long deals and luck at the mess they have got the selfs in.

{Ed001's Note - I agree, there is no need to give him a new contract yet. Not at his age and with his injury history, much as I love Hendo what's best for the club is more important.}


26.) 22 Jul 2021 13:39:21
Surely its should just be done similarly to Milners, if he's still fit, decent injury-wise and doing the business at the highest level coming to the end of his contract re-new it for an extra year.


27.) 22 Jul 2021 15:21:52
Spot on, Ed02. The owners have nothing to do with any of these contract negotiations. In fact, they don’t handle contract negotiations, period. Why they are being roped into this nonsense, is beyond me.


28.) 22 Jul 2021 15:22:40
Can’t see this happening unless they know he will struggle to stay fit. Hopefully he finishes his career with us and joins the coaching staff. The fans love him and know what he brings. An immense human being.


 

 

17 Jan 2021 06:05:02
It’s looking increasingly unlikely a new centre half coming in and continued changes are not the answer, I’m still don’t understand why Phillips isn’t give a run in the side alongside Fabinho he looks a steady player with more experience than Williams, does JK not rate him?

Clee Red

1.) 17 Jan 2021 06:33:30
Williams is better on the ball but cannot defend one bit. Phillips has a limited range of passing but is a proper defender. Why Klopp plays Williams over Phillips is a big mystery. Only reason I can think of is we build from the back and maybe Phillips really does not fit that profile of a CB.


2.) 17 Jan 2021 10:29:54
Tbf Phillips does struggle to pass the ball accurately further than 5 yards which hinders our ability to keep possession when he is in the team. But I agree that Williams is not a natural defender and is very slow so its horses for courses for me and very much depends on the opposition. I would go for Philips today with the instructions to only pass to our back line or hoof it.


3.) 17 Jan 2021 11:40:41
Both are to slow for our style so I don't see why we didn't try bring someone in and if needs must sell a fringe player to help aid that

Unless young Billy is the future and we don't want to get someone in the take his place in the future why not loan someone or go for someone older like a kilo toure type.


4.) 17 Jan 2021 23:52:08
Totally agree with Indian Buzzer.

Oh and I read a few weeks ago that Phillips was clocked as our quickest centre back this season so he's obviously not slow.

Disappointing to see Klopp playing Hendo there, missing his drive from midfield.


 

 

27 Aug 2017 00:54:56
My take on the vvd situation

Southampton
They want a bidding war to drive the price up they were aware of clubs talking to him but got pissed when it came out he would only go to lfc hence the tapping up and apology form us

Liverpool
Will only bid once a bid has been accepted by Southampton from other clubs

Chelsea and Arsenal
Will put a late bid in so hope to do the ground work before any clubs get involved

I have faith in macca and confident a deal will be done.

Clee Red

1.) 27 Aug 2017 04:49:03
Why on earth would we wait to bid until after they have had an acceptable bid from somewhere else? This has to be one of the strangest thoughts ever.


2.) 27 Aug 2017 06:36:37
We're pushing it to the wire. Even though Macca is very positive, I'm starting to doubt anything is going to happen.


3.) 27 Aug 2017 07:02:59
We would wait because if we were the only ones bidding there is a good chance Southampton will report us to be investigated. If they accept other bids, then they cannot say they want wanted to keep VVD. They want to sell him and as long as we bid in line with other clubs, it would be harder for them to have us investigated.


4.) 27 Aug 2017 08:14:08
News out there saying VVD sacked his agent to push for the deal, how is sacking his agent do any good to push for the deal with us?


5.) 27 Aug 2017 08:31:09
Agree with Clee, we can't make a bid unless someone else does and Southampton agree to sell.

I think he'll end up with Arsenal or Chelsea and we'll be stuck with the Lovren the great.


6.) 27 Aug 2017 08:42:21
VVD and Koeman have same agents.
They pissed off Southampton over Koemans exit.
Perhaps he getting rid as their relationship with Douthampton is impinging on any deal getting done?

Alternatively he could be getting rid in preparation for staying at Southampton i. e. "I've been badly advised".

{Ed002's Note - Actually, it was his change of agents late last year that started all of this looking to move on saga. He had a great agent in Henk-Maarten Chin who would have had van Dijk's best interest all of the time, would not have persuaded Southampton to let him meet with other clubs in January and would have immediately stopped all of the damage being done by Liverpool and by Klopp.

But he was persuaded before Christmas to move to the Jansens and the Wasserman Group, and it was downhill from there as Liverpool unsettled him, made illegal approaches, brushed off a complaint to the Premier League with an apology and withdrew interest - and then utilised ex-players to come out in the press and unsettle him further. Don't think it has gone unnoticed by certain powers that be that the likes of Carragher and Gerrard were all represented by the Wasserman Group.}


7.) 27 Aug 2017 09:17:47
Could there still be ramifications for Liverpool then ed002 as Gerrard is employed by us now?

{Ed002's Note - Of course. If he has left his agents (and I don't know that he has) they will still be seeking the full payment they are due and will address that through the courts if needs be. They also have a contract with the player which may have exit clauses built in. Southampton have a clause in his contract that could see him taken to court over a breach. Southampton could push to have their original complaint investigated or could indeed pass it to FIFA to address.

There is a terrible stench over this whole matter and if cheating is proven to be an acceptable route going forward then there is going to be a shift of power away from the authorities.}


8.) 27 Aug 2017 09:51:20
Thanks ed002.
It's all a bit of a mess. I really hope we learn from this.

{Ed002's Note - I hope so too.}


9.) 27 Aug 2017 11:18:14
To be honest, as bad as Liverpool has been in this saga, the whole industry and transfer process stinks and I can't help but feel it's because the whole business is so reliant on super agents who are massively incentivized to have clients that move every other year.

It feels that they will do anything to secure transfers including spreading rumors/ lies, doing shady under the table deals, setting up meetings when they shouldn't and manipulating the fans. I think it's long overdue the football world cleans up this side of he business.

{Ed002's Note - No. There are only a handful of "super rich" agents and I suspect that you knowledge of what they do and how they work is rather lacking given your comments.}


10.) 27 Aug 2017 13:20:07
Ed, the fact that the ex LFC players like Carra and SG were directly or indirectly involved via VVD's new agents (Wasserman group) in tapping up and unsettling VVD, is vwery troubling. This new info should be alarming to every LFC fan. IMO, this will not end well as this stinks to high hell and LFC has their hands dirty in this whole situation, along with VVD himself. As a result, I propose that people move on from hoping that VVD will sign here cos clearly, Saints know about all the info Ed02 just gave hence, why they will never sell at least to LFC, IMO.

{Ed002's Note - This isn't new information.}


11.) 27 Aug 2017 18:10:32
Why don't they just sell the lad then, who the hell do Southampton think they are? Pathetic from them.


 

 

13 May 2015 13:55:04
Marca reports Liverpool have offered Real Sociedad £14.3 million for Inigo Martinez

Clee Red

1.) 13 May 2015 14:48:17
Surely if true it means sakho or lovren are off


2.) 13 May 2015 15:05:48
Good alternative to Skrtel


3.) 13 May 2015 15:10:11
Another left footer I think spasmith

{Ed002's Note - You are correct.}


4.) 13 May 2015 15:49:05
Was going to say it sounded like rubbish, but now I see he's a LCB I believe it as clearly we need another one of those as a priority.


5.) 13 May 2015 15:57:51
Plz tell me this is rubbish. Why does clueless Brendan want another LCB when we already have 3 at the club? How is any sane person at the club even sanctioning this madness? Inigo Martinez is a good player but not what we need right now.


6.) 13 May 2015 15:59:14
Is there a quota? One left sided centre back for big money each summer?


7.) 13 May 2015 16:14:16
Perhaps Lovren is going to be converted to a right sided centre back (he's right footed) to be back up to Skrtel as Toure is leaving. Or we are selling Lovren altogether.
We have approx 7/8 centre backs over 20 on our books at the min. another one is not a priorty. I'd be relatively happy if we just picked 4, sold the rest and used the money towards a top quality striker.


8.) 13 May 2015 17:17:16
no truth in these Martinez rumours though is there Ed? I've been posting replys to others saying our onterest was on Vela, however reports seem to be growing. Surely we are well stocked with defenders?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any bid. If either Lovren or Sakho were to leave then perhaps there would be interest. Liverpool are overloaded with centre backs so it makes no sense.}


9.) 13 May 2015 17:45:53
maybe he can also play as LB.


10.) 13 May 2015 17:46:21
Maybe he can also play as Left Back and so Enrique's replacement.

{Ed002's Note - He is not a left back.}


11.) 13 May 2015 17:49:18
Obviously he will be our "Marquee" signing to play alongside Sturridge up top with Brendan in charge.


12.) 13 May 2015 18:54:33
Left-footed centre-back, you say? Sounds like Brendan is getting us a new right winger.


13.) 13 May 2015 19:54:47
If the manager wants to play 3 at the back, it's not overly ridiculous, especially if that frees Can to play in midfield again.


 

 

10 May 2015 10:26:39
Has winston Reid signed a new contract last I heard he was a target for Arsenal, if not are we in for him.

Assuming Toure, Coates & Llori leave the club

Clee Red

{Ed002's Note - Yes and No.}


 

 

 

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24 Jul 2023 20:03:42
With the four out of contracts leaving and probably Hendo, Fab and Phillips anyone else getting nervous.
Seven out two in with 3 weeks before the season starts, are we waiting on sales before we enter the market again? .

Clee Red

1.) 24 Jul 2023 20:15:37
I say get you players in now because if mbappe goes to Saudi that’s a game changer.


2.) 24 Jul 2023 20:43:23
I think MacAllister and Szoboszlai will play far more minutes than Milner Ox and Keita combined. Bajcetic only played a handful of games now we’ll have him for a whole season. Bradley means Trent can play in midfield if needed. A top DM and a CM and we’re looking good in midfield.


3.) 24 Jul 2023 20:50:03
Yes I'm nervous. I wet the bed twice last night and I usually only wet it once.

{Ed025's Note - i bet you a tena you never davey.. :)


4.) 24 Jul 2023 20:56:02
It’s an age thing Davey.


5.) 24 Jul 2023 21:00:58
I was getting nervous last Summer. Now I’m content we’re at Europa League level

Same story as last season and Until we fix it, nothing will change.


6.) 24 Jul 2023 21:05:04
I don't rate the tactics. Could be a real struggle this season.


7.) 24 Jul 2023 21:06:27
OP, consult Ed02 on these topics. He has addressed them all.


8.) 24 Jul 2023 21:06:32
Brexit will help, Davey.

When it comes to Europe, you will no longer be in-continent.


9.) 24 Jul 2023 21:25:34
Never mind us losing the midfield, I just worry about Fabs’ dogs - left alone in the world to fend for themselves, where will their next bowl of Winalot come from, certainly not LFC cos everyone is certain the we won’t win any, never mid a lot (see what I did there? )

{Ed025's Note - hey!, get your own jokes WDW.. :)


10.) 24 Jul 2023 21:43:27
Sorry Ed25 - saw the Winalot thing you wrote yesterday and now my brain is stuck somewhere in the mid-1960’s ?)

{Ed025's Note - no problem pal, your still my chum..


11.) 24 Jul 2023 21:50:40
Not worried but we do have a fair bit of business to do before the end of the window. I'm not too concerned about doing it all before the Chelsea game, they have more issues than us in midfield and defence.


12.) 24 Jul 2023 22:01:30
7 out 2 in is not quite the numbers we need to think about, am not sure how many games Ox Naby Bobby and Phillips played last season. If think Gakpo has come to replace Bobby. So 3 in really.
I feel if fabs and hendo leave and we get a Dm in we will be in a better position than last season with the squad we have and the younger players like Jones and Elliott having another years experience.


13.) 24 Jul 2023 21:58:41
True ed25. This transfer window is more excitement for me. Think we ll buy and looking forward to seeing who we get. If have any slight worry, it's that we don't get the CB done. Hopefully we do and all is good. It's the lull between transfers that gets to people but I'm sure there is loads going on behind the scenes. It will all be fine.

{Ed025's Note - i expect at least a DM and a CB davey, you done some great early business but klopp does not want just anyone mate he will want the right players, that may take time and i think supporters are panicking a bit and i dont think they need to mate..


14.) 24 Jul 2023 22:38:23
Most will agree that given the 4 end-of-contract departures we were going to buy a minimum of 3 anyway. And now with 2 more expected departures (Fab and Hendo) it's highly probable that we will buy a minimum one more, or perhaps two more (especially if Thiago or Matip leave too) . So a minimum of 4 incomings, of which 2 are already bought and playing in preseason. And we haven't even reached the half way point of the window yet.

Ideally for me, one more CB, a solid DM and a true box to box type CM.


15.) 24 Jul 2023 22:42:25
West Derby Wanderer3, that was funny, man.


16.) 25 Jul 2023 03:00:41
I liked Ed25’s Chum better though Oli, it made me laugh. The man’s a canine genius but I suppose it’s years of watching Everton go to the dogs. ?.

{Ed025's Note - love it WDW..


17.) 25 Jul 2023 06:17:15
I love your dog puns ED025, always thought of you as decent Chappie.

{Ed025's Note - good stuff mate..


18.) 25 Jul 2023 12:18:31
This Klopp waiting for the right player thing isn’t worth it. Worked once waiting a few months for van Dijk. Konate is great but was he worth sacrificing the 20/ 21 season for? i don’t think so. Didn’t get Tchouameni so we sulked for the summer rather than getting another midfielder. Waited for Bellingham then didn’t bother going for him. Mane and Salah weren’t first choice ahead of Gotze and Brandt. Jota was backup option to werner. If my memory is right Wijnaldum only happens after we didn’t get Zielinski or Dahoud. I remember being linked to Chilwell and Hector more than Robertson. Tsimikas was because we didn’t get Jamal Lewis. Much better off getting an alternative to than waiting for someone who we still might not get.


 

 

12 Apr 2023 18:00:51
With the Bellingham saga behind us and media reporting we don’t want to spend that amount on one player I also think we should stop dreaming about Gvardiol as the big hitters will also be after him.
I’m thinking £100 million plus what we sell is our budget, so maximum 3 players in.

Clee Red

1.) 12 Apr 2023 18:11:30
Im think your being optimistic.


2.) 12 Apr 2023 18:27:07
Yeah you’re probably right, wishful thinking.


3.) 12 Apr 2023 18:30:12
Our owners are parasites unfortunately and we’ll be stuck with secondary options.


4.) 12 Apr 2023 18:42:39
Our owners are not parasites, they are an investment company. What you want is a sugar Daddy owner. They are not, never have been and never will be that.


5.) 12 Apr 2023 19:32:07
Telemicus your right we do want a sugar daddy.


6.) 12 Apr 2023 19:47:58
With you Telemicus people just love to hate the likes of Chelsea and city but in reality they want to have what they have. The same people used to applaud how well ran out club was but now the plastics are starting to turn.


7.) 12 Apr 2023 19:52:05
But they kinda needed to be this summer Telemicus. Our average net spend of 25-30m was never going to cut it this time.


8.) 12 Apr 2023 20:03:23
Who are we selling?


9.) 12 Apr 2023 20:14:09
What’s the definition of a plastic fan?


10.) 12 Apr 2023 20:09:23
What F's me off are the parallel sets of rules around FFP. FSG bought into LFC on the understanding that FFP would be implemented, which it isn't.

How can we compete consistently without a sugar daddy?


11.) 13 Apr 2023 01:09:50
Agreed with that statement RushysBugle. I think FSG expected clubs to be run on self-sustaining models due to FFP and hence, ran Liverpool the same way. No one could have foreseen the massive jump in transfer fees over the past 10 years due to oligarchs and states buying up football clubs and pumping massive amount of money into them.


12.) 13 Apr 2023 19:42:09
You may be right Jude, but an investment company isn't going to stop being an investment company because we feel we need 100's of millions spent on our football team.
They still look to make profits every year to share between themselves and any investors who have been promised a return.
They aren't football fans and they aren't Liverpool fans. They are businessmen and they are in business.


13.) 13 Apr 2023 19:45:32
I agree with you as well RushysBugle. I don't believe FFP rules have been implemented properly.


 

 

30 Mar 2023 22:12:37
Going by various rumours it’s looks like our main targets are Mount, Nidicka, Gravenberch and a back up keeper.
I think they are achievable but would love Bellingham as well but think he’s out of reach.
Would everyone be happy if was the outcome of our summer transfers.
Don’t reply with a list of 6 or 7 players coming in it’s not going to happen.

Clee Red

1.) 30 Mar 2023 22:36:50
No. A serious amount of investment is needed into this squad. Injury prone aging team with our best midfielder being 18 years old.
Squad padders like Mount and Ndicka won’t be enough.


2.) 30 Mar 2023 23:01:57
It's still all speculation as far as the Bellingham situation is concerned. Madrid may have fired their first salvo, but ManCity and LFC are not going to exactly sit there and just watch. There will be twists and turns.

There are days where I think Bellingham is worth the amount being asked for. And other days I think, "wait a minute, 2 midfielders at 60 million each would more than solve our Keita and Ox problem". But what I am sure about is that it will be a tremendous loss of face for Klopp if he doesn't manage to get Bellingham on board. With all the media circus that has been created, it has raised expectations sky high (has the club been telling TAA and Hendo to post photos of themselves with Bellingham or do you blame that on the media entirely too? ?) .


3.) 31 Mar 2023 04:10:29
There are lot of good free players available this summer.
Also low cost high value palyers
Ndicka for CB
Rabbiot for CM
Lavia for CM

And let's use our budget for bellingham.


4.) 31 Mar 2023 04:36:10
We should avoid both Mount and Rabiot as they’re nowhere near good enough and don’t fix any of our midfield weaknesses.


5.) 31 Mar 2023 08:29:08
I just think we should lower our expectations.


6.) 31 Mar 2023 09:16:56
Sometimes beggars can’t be choosers.


7.) 31 Mar 2023 09:25:24
Proper Arsenal kind of days where you are targeting the leftovers instead of the “A” list players. Best run club apparently with no cash in hand. It’s a joke people are on board and accepted mediocrity!
Ndicka won’t push neither Konate nor VVD which means we are at the same place where we are today.
Mount is the mirror image of AOC / Jones.
I don’t even know who the other two are and what they are going to offer!


8.) 31 Mar 2023 10:23:29
And look where Arsenal are at now? Sitting comfortably at the top of the table. Not doing too badly despite not buying "A" list players, eh?

Ndicka would be a great option for us, I feel. Definitely an upgrade on Matip, Gomez, and Phillips and would give VVD a rest every now and again without a huge drop-off in quality.

I agree about Mount, in that I don't know where his best position is. Doesn't look like a CM, and not fast enough to play on the left of a front three. Still, he works his socks off and is also an upgrade on any of our midfield options. Maybe Klopp sees him as somewhat similar to Wiji?

And you must be living under a rock of you have not heard of Rabiot or Lavia. They've been mentioned on this site a couple of times alrdy.

Lavia is performing well for a
struggling Southampton team. Still very young at 19 but we alrdy have Baj who deserves time in the first team.

I've never watched Rabiot play but he is on a free. Only issue I see with with him is his over-protective mum.


9.) 31 Mar 2023 10:23:44
Capital income what do you think our summer business will be?
I’m just being realistic based on money available and competition from other clubs who can offer champions league.


10.) 31 Mar 2023 10:53:06
Harry?

Ndicka would be a far better option than Matip who, let's face it, is declining and seemingly always has a niggle or two these days. Plus he's on a free - sell Matip, bring in money and replace with a very good younger option on less wages - sounds good no?

Mount and Rabiot are both very good midfielders who, if we're being honest, would both walk into our midfield this season. Rabiot is on a free, surely a good option? I quite like Mount myself, but Chelsea might well price him out of a move - but hardly the mirror image of Jones is he? Also Ox? Hey, if we signed Mount and he was playing like Ox did before his first big injury, I'd be happy with that. I actually do think he would be good for us

In terms of 'serious' investment, the big two for me would be Bellingham and Gvardiol - both together and we're talking over 200m I think - with investment and player sales could we afford them?

Player sales would certainly bring in money but also free up wages. Some of those already confirmed leaving are on inflated salaries, so those savings would help as well

I think we could afford both top targets, but we still need players on top of those two - the likes of Rabiot and Ndicka on free transfers is surely good business? Promote a few of the youth ones as well:
- Clarkson and Morton could cover the minutes Ox and Keita play?
- Bradley could be used to cover/ rest Trent?
- Doak could be used to give Salah a break from time to time, whilst then giving valuable first time minutes to Doak

I agree we need investment and new players. I've suggested two massive transfers, 3 free transfers and an injection of youth as well for extra cover and rotation options - that would give the squad a real refresh wouldn't it?


11.) 31 Mar 2023 11:33:54
Clee Red

Define money being available! It’s a joke, this Club is huge, posted record turnover and revenues and people still think we are beggars in transfer market! When are we coming out form this poverty exactly?

Summer plans
Gvardiol (World class center back who will elevate the team to a new level just like VVD did 5 years back)

Bellingham (Need not say anything, will one day become the greatest English men ever to play this game and let’s hope he is red)

Kone / Caicedo - Monster of a destroyer! Reminds me of the great Mousa Dembele (Spurs) . A proper unit

A proper DM (Ugrate) - the man is a tackling machine!

That’s all we need actually! 4 world class players and we are walking this league!


12.) 31 Mar 2023 12:09:09
I agree with the positions we need to fill but that’s that’s over a £400 million investment, the owners won’t sanction that spend, they are looking to sell or for investors or are you happy for the club to be loaded with debt.
All the major purchases have come off the back of sales.
There is money I’m sure but not to the extent that a lot of fans expect.


13.) 31 Mar 2023 12:35:39
I'm not sold on Gravenberch or Mount. The would not be my options.

Ndicka looks pretty good and free transfer so I'd take him to concentrate funds on midfield.

I think we need an athletic powerhouse of a DM/ CM. Personally I want two of these types to just get after it in midfield. I don't know where Kone is going but he was my first choice. Caicedo is on the expensive side but personally I would spend the money on him if Bellingham is not possible. I also like the look of Fofana in Monaco but Ed saying at the moment interest is elsewhere in him. I also wouldn't mind McAllister as an option.

So Ndicka, Caicedo, Fofana for me will do nicely.


14.) 31 Mar 2023 12:39:01
I agree with everything you’re saying about finances clee. But the calibre of players has to be from a higher pool mate
Or else what was the point in not signing a midfielder in January? We could’ve signed a couple of these stop gaps in midfield and Walked 4th easily.


15.) 31 Mar 2023 13:11:14
Bill you said “Clarkson and Morton could cover the minutes Ox and Keita play”

I think that’s a bit harsh mate to right both young lads off and say they’ll get no minutes ?.


16.) 31 Mar 2023 13:23:06
Clee

Do I wish the club to be loaded with debt! I don’t know. How about FSG sell up and move. Manchester United is loaded with £700 mill debt and are looking absolutely fine in Transfer market with people lining up to buy the club.
I am giving you names that will take this club to the next level!
We are not winning the next league title without massive spending! It’s as simple as that!

{Ed014's Note - United owe almost a billion and have spent almost a billion and they’re still no nearer to winning a title.

A couple of astute signings and you’re more likely to win it before they do!

Some of the drama lama’s on here are a little unreal! ?‍♂️


17.) 31 Mar 2023 13:35:57
BIL

You are right, Ndicka at his best will push Matip. But Matip doesn’t start and that’s where it ends! He is a cover and I have no problem in adding him as a 4th choice. We need a starter. His name is Gvardiol!

What exactly am I missing here?


18.) 31 Mar 2023 13:38:04
Dracred

Except Arsenal kept on spending until they won the league (this years most likely) unlike us who stopped it 5 years ago and then started balancing the books!

You cannot win the league in England without massive spending. Please feel free to prove me otherwise! I ll wait.


19.) 31 Mar 2023 14:45:38
Capital Income, for me Ndicka is at the same level Konate was when we signed him. I agree he's not an instant starter. However Virgil needs someone breathing down his neck and all our other centre backs are injury prone and better on the right. Ndicka is a huge upgrade on Matip, Phillips, Williams and Gomez.

I fully agree Gvardiol should be the priority target but it's pretty clear that is Bellingham. So I expect us to be planning on more cost effective alternatives so we can throw everything at Jude. Free agents like Ndicka and Rabiot. Players with a year left like Neves. Good players who won't break the bank. We can't spend another €400m in one summer. It's just not realistic given our lack of financial muscle.

You can bang the drum about world class players all day but at Liverpool we tend to make players world class. Aside from Thiago who else have we signed under Klopp who was considered world class prior to them joining? I'm not sure Kone, Caicedo or Ugarte are world class either by the way or that they ever will be. Gvardiol and Bellingham are close if not there already and yeah they'd be dream signings but I think you'll be disappointed come September if you expect us to spend €250m on two players.


20.) 31 Mar 2023 15:23:03
@Capital, and look at the players who made an impact in their side and how much they cost. They spent big previously and failed but recently, they spent wisely. And that is the key. They opted for Trossard over Mudryk and look at the difference each player made to their respective teams. We need to spend within our means and that means being savvy with our signings. Things rarely end up well for teams who overspent chasing success. Just look at Leeds, Bolton, Portsmouth, and the other clubs which tried to do that and ask yourself if you would like Liverpool to risk going the same way.


21.) 31 Mar 2023 16:38:00
Conversely "Things rarely end up well for teams who under spent chasing success". Like LFC this season for example?


22.) 31 Mar 2023 17:22:34
First we need to come out from the poverty @MK. Stop feeling sorry for the owners who are demanding £5 billion on an asset they purchased for £300 mill.
We have once in a generational manager and we give him freeness to challenge Manchester city who are upgrading Kalvin Philips (a player they signed 12 months ago) that’s the level we are in today.

We were going nowhere untill we signed Ali and VVD. So your argument about we make stars is utter tosh.

The club needs to spend and spend heavily Thanks to ignoring the areas for ages! This wouldn’t be the car head we signed couple of MF’s and CB’s in the last two years! We did not. Don’t put that on anyone but the board!


23.) 31 Mar 2023 18:38:55
Harry, Matip pretty much started every game before he got injured? Be honest, he was the starter with VVD, then Konate, then Gomez

I think our best cb pairing is VVD and Konate atm - Ndicka could rotate with either and give a solid starting 2 cbs - I agree with Adam, he's probably at the same standard Konate was and a much better option than both Matip and Gomez

Personally, I'd love both Ndicka and Gvardiol. Any 2 of the 4 would be solid enough imo, but Gvardiol is going to be special and would be ideal as the longterm replacement for Virgil. Short-term, it allows us to keep and rotate/ rest VVD, manage his minutes better next season - if he still looks in decline, then sell next season. If he returns to the level he was at, we have a great mix of cbs. Plus, it's been said that both Gvardiol and Ndicka can cover left back so Tsimikas could potentially be sold

In that scenario, how much would the sales of Tsimikas, Matip and Gomez bring in? Add Phillips to that and how close would you be to the fee for Gvardiol?

Adam, again I agree. There is always a desire for world class players but if we're honest it's the solid players that are needed - I'd love us to sign both Bellingham and Gvardiol. Big money, but could be offset be player sales and investment. Further signings, the likes of Rabiot and Ndicka on frees would give us very solid players and instantly improve the team.

Other, more affordable options would need to be considered if we cannot afford what i've suggested - hell, Salah didn't cost 100m and look at his returns each season.


24.) 31 Mar 2023 18:41:16
Drama lamas. That exactly what we are. Nail, hammer, head.


25.) 31 Mar 2023 19:08:24
Harry the lama ?.


26.) 31 Mar 2023 23:26:31
You keep blaming the board for not signing platers but they don't choose the players to sign, Klopp and his team does. And there has never been any indication that Klopp had had any of his targets refused by them. He wanted a top class keeper and defender and got Allison and VVD.

The lack of signings the past few seasons were on Klopp and his team. As the Eds have mentioned, we could have gotten a midfielder in the summer and in Jan but they chose not to act. Again, the owners are not involved in the day-to-day running of the club and do not choose which players to sign.

You talk about the revenue but fail to talk about the operating costs of the club. Maybe you should take a look at that too before deciding if the owners really are the ones blocking all those funds from being used.


27.) 01 Apr 2023 01:20:14
Clee, don't ask me a question and then tell me what not to reply with, please ?.
I've learned to trust in Norbert.
When we signed Robertson, Matip, Wijnaldum- and even Salah and Mane- I was underwhelmed.
He sees things we'll never see.


28.) 01 Apr 2023 12:02:36
Totally agree Rigsby.

There seems to be a popular idea that the more you pay the better the player is bound to be. Yet the same people will - rightly imho - tell you that one of the most expensive players we’ve ever bought would be the worst player they’ve ever seen at the club…….


 

 

27 Jan 2023 16:57:30
Is Caicedo really on liverpools list of midfielders, if so will the rumoured Arsenal bid force a bid from us?

Clee Red

1.) 27 Jan 2023 19:15:35
All Arteta is doing is what Klopp and FSG should have been doing last summer in the transfer market for and going for younger midfield players.

Xhaka and Partey are 30 years old simlilar to thiago and hendo in their thirties, all Arteta is doing is strengthening while at the top because it's easier at the top to strengthen than mid table, Arteta is simply looking to replace 30 year old midfield players with younger fresher legs which any good manager worth his salt would do, it's called foresight and good planning for the future not the present.

Shankly on his last day as the LFC manager left Bob Paisley, Ray Kennedy as his farewell present, thus maintaining his mantra at strengthening when you're at the top even though it was his last day as LFC manager, such as man city does every year since 2011, and Ferguson always did.

Never rest on your laurels as you will be punished for it, just as we have found out this season thus far.


2.) 27 Jan 2023 19:19:27
Nope, Chelsea wanted him earlier in the window and we didn’t move for him. Don’t have the money and Brighton don’t want to sell.


3.) 27 Jan 2023 19:52:19
We might have the money and not want him.


4.) 27 Jan 2023 21:38:06
Or we might not want him and it could just be the media doing 2 plus 2 equals 48.


5.) 27 Jan 2023 21:45:10
Strengthening at the top? no point being top in January! They come 2nd and we come 4th there's absolutely no difference between both clubs seasons in terms of looking forward to 23/ 24.This surely should be especially true to the people sick of hearing the"we nearly won the quadruple"bollox.


 

 

30 Oct 2022 10:33:29
We have been beaten and outplayed by a number of teams this year who on paper player by player we should easily beat.
I am not one for calling for a new manager or expensive signings so were does the fault lie? .
Sorry but its difficult it look past the current management set up as our tatics, team player investments and selections all are failing.

Clee Red

1.) 30 Oct 2022 11:08:17
Get klopp being the coach again. not just the manager.
Get ljinders gone. He's taken us backwards. And sort that treatment team out because they aren't doing their jobs efficiently. Something drastically wrong with this training set up now. And fsg to put their hands in their big pockets.


2.) 30 Oct 2022 11:38:07
Holy - this website never disappoints. How quickly you turncoats tuck tail and run as soon as we face some adversity. This team, these players, and the management team have surely earned enough trust/ patience to warrant our support. If you want constant success with unlimited resources, Harry knows the best way to Manchester.


3.) 30 Oct 2022 12:25:12
The manager has enough in the bank for me. As for the players, if they aren't good enough, up to the job required then they should be replaced. You can't be suggesting keeping them? That's part of the problem for me.


4.) 30 Oct 2022 13:01:19
We just look slow. Mentally and physically.
I'm backing Norbert to sort it though.


5.) 30 Oct 2022 13:23:53
OP, if you want Klopp gone then just say it. I mean, you’re saying everything else BUT that.

Magical is correct. If Klopp has delegated coaching duties to Lijnders and its not working then, he should step in. If he doesn’t then it’s going to be his arse on the line at some point.


6.) 30 Oct 2022 20:59:16
Blame and sack. The golden answer to all our problems.


7.) 30 Oct 2022 21:47:29
On paper we’re coming up against teams with better midfields every single game. Thiago is our only good midfielder

Adams Roca Aaronson
Kouyate Freuler Yates (we didn’t have Thiago)
Xhaka Partey Odegaard
Caicedo Alexis Groß
Anguissa Lobotka Zielinski
Onana Iwobi Davies (Didn’t start Gueye)
Longstaff Joelinton Willock (didn’t start Guimares)
McTominay Eriksen Fernandes (didn’t start Casemiro)

Go back to the very start of the season Palace had Doucoure and Eze who’d play for us. Fulham have Palhinha.

Liverpool need 3 or 4 top top midfielders.


 

 

 

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He can also play center half makes perfect sense to me.

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13 Aug 2023 19:42:53
Doesn’t matter who we buy if we set up away from home with 3 attack minded midfielders and expect Trent to ply DM we will get spanked.

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Right it’s done move on get the Lavia deal done if he will still come to us.

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31 Jul 2023 08:40:52
It’s seems the transfer war chest is empty Lavia will hopefully arrive with the fab money then if we shift Phillips and matip we may strengthen the defence but it will be a late one if we do. The Left sided defender is a must for me but if VVD is made captain then JK sees him as starter for most games which is concerning.

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19 Jul 2023 18:15:57
With Hendo and Fab both heading out the club must be a confident of getting two or three players through the door with less than 3 weeks until the start of the season.

Also 12 million for Henderson 30 million for Mahrez we've had our pants down there.

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26 Aug 2023 10:13:41
Great read and some great points fingers crossed two in this week.

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25 Aug 2023 20:57:34
If we had met the asking price after the first bid would he be a Liverpool player we don’t know for sure but we wouldn’t have payed nearly £20 million on a player with no sell on value.
£50 million big potential 12 years playing at this high level.
£20 million good player but 2/ 3 years left
It’s just poor recruitment from a club with limited funds.

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25 Aug 2023 19:52:31
I agree monty no champions league does change things but explain why we continued to haggle over Lavia when he wanted to join us then have to bid a higher price once we messed him around.
Not FIFA not football manager just poor business.

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A stop gap this year will cost us champions league football again the longer you are out the harder it is to get back in.
We needed 2/ 3 more in quickly.

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Why would Lavia go to Chelsea, he must know he will behind Caicedo and Fernandez for the DM position.

Unless he knows something we don’t…….

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