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18 Mar 2021 22:44:54
Hi Ed's

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on Nat Phillips - do the coaches rate him and whether you think there is a chance he will stay next year?

Thanks in advance.

Jamwoody

{Ed001's Note - he is winning them over and he is contracted for another year so there is a decent chance he will stay on to allow van Dijk and Gomez to recover properly by providing cover. It is up to him to show he is good enough over the last few games.}


1.) 19 Mar 2021 09:12:42
I'm not saying that this would be my first choice selection if everybody was fully fit but I'd be very interested to see what level Phillips would get to if he had a run of matches playing alongside a fully fit and in form van Dijk, with the Fabinho/ Henderson midfield in front of him.


2.) 19 Mar 2021 09:56:31
I think defensively he is solid.
Lacks the pace but so does matip, who looks good paired with VVD or Gomez.
Isn’t a ball playing CB, this is the only worry. But sometimes it helps, because the ball get played out wide faster by missing Nat out so sometimes has helped speed up our attack.

I personally rate him, do I rate him enough to be a starter no. But I’d be more than happy for him to be 4th choice.
Van dijk, Gomez, (New CB), Phillips, Davies. That’d give us enough options at CB next season.


3.) 19 Mar 2021 09:59:47
No point in that happening RR, unless there was a dire emergency.
Liverpool developed a hugely successful style of play based around a high defensive line, highly mobile players and a particularly quick back four.
Why change that?
I’ve said repeatedly that Philipps is playing himself into a contract but he would be better served if that were elsewhere, somewhere that he’d play every week.
Use the funds from his sale, and maybe from Matip, to either buy Kabak or another CB. Hopefully Davies can come through also.


4.) 19 Mar 2021 10:19:06
Ed01, I think this notion also applies to Kabak, as well. As I have said before, they are both auditioning for spots on the team next season esp. since no one knows how VVD and Gomez will come back from such horrendous injuries. Thoughts?

{Ed001's Note - it does, but more so Kabak and he has to prove worth the outlay, whereas Phillips is free.}


5.) 19 Mar 2021 10:24:26
What we are ending up with is players that only really look great playing in a team with VVD, Hendo and Fabs. What we really need are top players in there own right. Any player looks good playing with those 3, Kabak included. In the real world Phillips, Kabak, the 2 back up fb’s all are not quite good enough when we are talking about getting ahead of City or Bayern.

{Ed001's Note - but they are back ups, so you are not talking about them in terms of getting ahead of City or Bayern.}


6.) 19 Mar 2021 10:56:42
We are talking about them being as good as Cancelo, or Man City’s third centre back which is Laporte atm. I know that they are backs ups but they still have to be of the right quality and unfortunately I don’t believe they are, not even close. If we played a cup game with a back 4 of Williams, Kabak, Phillips, Tsimikas that is a Championship defence at best.

Jones, Jota that is the type of quality needed.


7.) 19 Mar 2021 11:27:06
Not that I’m opposed per se to Phillips staying of course.
His aggression and aerial prowess especially provide a plus for the team when he’s playing.
If he earns the right to choose his immediate football destination then you can’t say fairer than that.


8.) 19 Mar 2021 11:23:50
Thanks for the response, Ed01 and indeed you are correct. Kabak will cost money and Phillips is free.

Mark, Ed01 is correct. These players are back ups would only step in to cover for injuries and rotation purposes.


9.) 19 Mar 2021 12:44:58
Mark, did Jones and Jota cost 130m? Cos that is the cost of Cancelo and Laporte put together so your comparison is has no basis in reality on that alone. Cancelo cost 62m and Laporte cost 57m. So you want us to go spend money on such "backups" (Cancelo is no longer a backup by the way) knowing full well we can't?

Also, Why are you comparing those two players exceptional players to our own young and inexperienced players knowing full well that is an unfair and more than false comparison?

This makes NO sense and this is my problem. People always want to compare us to City knowing full well that Pep alone has spent as much as Klopp has on our whole squad, on just defenders and GK's alone. So of course, their "backups" will be better than ours. This is obv. to anyone. That won't be happening here anytime soon BUT of course, one can always dream.


10.) 19 Mar 2021 12:48:32
Mark comparing us to man city who are backed by an entire country is hilarious.


 

 

 

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15 May 2021 13:15:35
Do you think we will buy him in the end Ed? If Konate comes in (which seems likely from rumours) - would we pay 18m for what will likely be a 4th choice? Seems pointless when we have Phillips - unless we sell Phillips and Matip? But then why do that to spend 18m on Kabak!

Jamwoody

{Ed001's Note - it makes absolutely no sense to me. But who knows? I have no idea, sorry.}