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18 Jan 2021 08:28:57
Multiple sources are reporting that Gini will again reject any contract discussions. He wants the Barcelona move.
If this is the case can the club come to terms with this and just adjust to having someone else in that position that wants to stay at the club rather than us having to make last minute changes when this eventually happens.

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19 Jan 2021 20:37:21
There isn't a team right now that I can say we can be confident of as the team seem to be under siege of being goal shy. From being the fortress at Anfield and the deadliest attack in Europe how far we have fallen because of some Injuries. How is it that we have not had that risk mitigated as this could happen again next season. Did the owners and the management team really think we were going to walk the league again this season? Surely not. We have invested in players and extended contracts in years where the club had far more debt and the team was much further away from being able to deliver success. So why pull the plug now on investment when it is needed most?

Yes maybe once VVD and Jota return we will get back to winning ways consistently but what happens if after they return its Hendo and Allison, or Salah and Mane. The impact of injuries to key players will always be there. But there has to be a plan to mitigate that. There can't be such a gap in talent and ability in our second choice players in each role.

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1.) 19 Jan 2021 21:21:52
Hey Nice,

I think this season is different than any other season. Prior to the CV Klopp was very much interested in a starting and less injury prone Central Defender, unfortunately the C.V. soon forced changes to the plans for financial reasons.

I get your point around the difference in quality between the first and second team and you do have a point, however a 'quality' player will not want to join to sit on the bench and from a business perspective it's probably not the viable thing to do to have money sitting idol on the bench or playing in the second team.


2.) 19 Jan 2021 21:25:40
It's all very well saying this in hindsight but everyone was crying out last summer for a back up left back, a midfielder and another attacker and the club did that in Tsimikas, Thiago and Jota, we have been unlucky that all three of those players have missed large chunks of the season.
The only other thing the club could have done is to replace Lovren, but he only started 9 league games last season, no one could have forseen that both VVD and Gomez would suffer such devastating injuries.

{Ed001's Note - and the club did try and buy a replacement but couldn't get one.}


3.) 19 Jan 2021 21:41:44
OP, there is no point in revising history of what coulda/ shoulda happened in the summer. We got in Jota and Thiago on to improve on an already fantastic team and they clearly improved us until injuries struck so no point going on about it.

Also we could not get a CB in due to CV messing up finances so we went into the season with VVD who is never injured, Gomez, Matip and Fab with Hendo at emergency CB. Could you have imagined that we would lose VVD and Gomez for the season the way we did? Again, it happens. It is what it is.

We cannot do anything about it now. We have to roll with the punches and keep fighting cos the players we have are the players we have. Time to buckle down and work hard for the good of the team cos it is these same players and manager that are going to fix our woes. No other manager or plate I coming thru that door this season anytime soon.


4.) 19 Jan 2021 21:48:03
But this isn't some smart comment being made in hindsight, the club knew we were in trouble before we got to the transfer market. I don't buy this thing that the club has no money when like I said many seasons we spent money when the club was worse off financially. They have this transfer window to fix some issues but are not.

We are going to go down as the reigning champions that didn't put up much of a fight. Maybe our luck changes and we mount a come back of note which we are capable of but seems we have rode our luck for a long time. That lucky horse is tired now. So what next, we surrender to C.V. and injuries? Other teams around us haven't.


5.) 19 Jan 2021 22:03:26
But the Eds have explained that we did try to buy a central defender. The club did invest in a few players last season when it seemed they'd need to sell in order to buy. So, they did invest. Your issue seems to be leading into this window alone. A window unlike any other I can think of. Forget the financial uncertainty going forward, name me one player you believe would have improved our 11, we could afford, would be willing to come and potentially fight for a spot?


6.) 19 Jan 2021 22:16:41
I would rather the club didn't risk it's long term future on a short term quick fix. Who knows when Anfield will be full again, there is no guarantee the fans will be back next season either.


7.) 19 Jan 2021 22:23:26
Enough super fan syndrome out here I see.


8.) 19 Jan 2021 22:32:29
I don't understand what that means.


9.) 19 Jan 2021 22:40:24
there is one thing that seems to stand true in almost every team sports; repeating is just hard. you have the mental fatigue, the target on your back, less drive then you add injuries, C.V.. I am not going to lie at the beginning of the year I thought it was looking like an easy repeat. deep down inside though I had a feeling this would happen and really this should be a surprise to anyone. we are doing well considering all the variables and maybe we get lucky and pull it out the second half.


10.) 19 Jan 2021 23:12:37
Come on guys after everything this team has done for the last 3 years are you really going to throw in the towel now? We’ve had some poor and average results. So what?! That’s football!
All I know is if any squad is capable of turning it round and going on a run it’s this one. Keep the faith and stop whinging like spoilt brats! It’s painful to read.


11.) 19 Jan 2021 23:15:56
How far we have fallen to be 3 off the lead at the halfway stage when we havn't been at our best! we've become very spoilt supporters. These are the same players they've been the last few years. a month ago everyone was singing their praises. They have coped with how the season has gone so far very well as far as im concerned.


 

 

16 Jan 2021 17:42:05
Ferguson has done a lot for the public also, while we at it, let's get him a banner too?
Maybe we should rename the kop while at it. Call it the Ferguson Rashford End.

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1.) 16 Jan 2021 17:53:52
Nothing nice about that!


2.) 16 Jan 2021 17:58:23
Talk about blowing things out of proportion!

I don’t know about renaming the kop, you might want to change your username though.


3.) 16 Jan 2021 18:05:02
It's a joke, pull the plug out your . Lol.

{Ed047's Note - I knew it mate! 🤣


4.) 16 Jan 2021 19:03:27
Loved the joke, OP.


 

 

16 Jan 2021 17:18:36
One way of addressing the referee decisions inconsistencies is to also have a post match interview for the referee. When they know that they have to account for their decisions to the footballing world then I am sure that you will see the rules of the game appropriately applied.
Right now VAR has anononymity, and the ref doesn't even have to answer to the same fans that pay his salary.

Whenever you have no accountability you see this sort of behavior. It's the same for politics, sport, corporate even religious organisations.

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1.) 16 Jan 2021 19:09:04
OP, the system is working exactly the way it was supposed to work in the PL. See no evil. Hear no evil. No transparency. Nothing to see here. Oh, and if you moan about it, it is cos your are looking for excuses as to why your team is crap or not doing well. Piece of cake!


2.) 16 Jan 2021 19:10:11
I imagine referees wages would have to be hugely increased. and would deter the future generation of referees to come.
I understand what your saying though.


 

 

16 Jan 2021 03:50:49
So with Rashford coming out and saying that Jose taught them how to win penalties. Will that not influence referees going forward? This has become something that united go into a game looking for. There are cheats all over the game. I know how we try and cheat with corners with placing the ball almost outside the area, we steal a few yards in a throw or a free kick.
But a penalty influences a game, should this not be addressed that teams are actually looking to win games in this manner.

What are we teaching the current generation of footballing hopefuls coming through the ranks?

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{Ed0666's Note - cheating is cheating wether it’s placing the ball outside the legal zone at corners or gamesmanship in the box. If you murder 10 people or 1 person you’re still a murderer. No room for cheating regardless of the offense


1.) 16 Jan 2021 08:12:28
I rekon if a player gets touched int he box and they throw themselves to the ground then that isn't teaching. if they dive with no contact then to me that is cheating.


2.) 16 Jan 2021 09:43:05
To me its still cheating Faithinworks. It just seems its acceptable these days.


3.) 16 Jan 2021 10:40:18
I’m not condoning any of it but there’s lots of cheating that goes on in sports especially football. Cheating is a form of lying and even something as little as claiming every ball that goes out for a throw in or corner is theirs when they blatantly know it’s not is a form of cheating.


4.) 16 Jan 2021 10:40:29
Isn’t this what VAR is for? Problem is certain refs seem to be more keen to give pens and once given VAR rarely wants to change them.


5.) 16 Jan 2021 10:50:28
Problem is if there is contact and its given is very difficult to overturn.

Also Rashford blaming mourinho seems a bit of deflection, he has had three times as many pens awarded under ole then he did under mourinho with a similar amount of games for each if I remember the stat correctly.


6.) 16 Jan 2021 10:53:06
The penalty awarded at Brighton set the precedent that any contact in the area, if appealed for, should result in a penalty.
Wrongly, in my opinion but, any player now contacted in the box should highlight that penalty award to the referee, on the basis of consistency.
Can you tell that, of all the bad refereeing decisions this season, this one really bugs me? It was always the case that football was a contact sport and, yes, Robbo made contact with Welbeck, but the impact and effect on Welbeck was less than of they had jumped together to head a ball.
Klopp should fight fire with fire, citing the penalty against us at Brighton, and tell the players to fall to the floor on contact and then argue for them to check the monitor as per the officials did v Brighton.
This isn't how I want the game to be but this is what VAR, or the application of it, has led the game to become.


7.) 16 Jan 2021 12:57:00
BobbyF, isn’t that the very problem of inconsistency within the VAR system itself that many of us are screaming about?

The Brighton one peeved me off cos they said as long as there is contact then the ref has to give it regardless of whatever happens even if the player falls down 3 hrs later or if the players did not appeal it. But when Mane gets chopped down vs Saints, the same standard is not applied and worse VAR didn’t even check it, meaning the standards keep changing depending what game is on. Other teams are being affected too cos some of the other decisions have been shambolic cos there are NO set ref standards.

To make matters worse, Michael Oliver said that he should have sent Pickford off but at the same time, said LFC players should have appealed for the rev card as that is another reason he didn’t give it which is a nonsensical cop out and victim blaming. So he was expecting the LFC players to do his job for him, yeah?

But hang on, Brighton players did not appeal for their fake pen and got it BUT LFC players should have appealed for the red card? See where we are going with this?

IMO, there are no refereeing standards cos they keep making it up as they go along so why should players comply with standards that don’t exist?


8.) 16 Jan 2021 14:50:18
Football is a contact sport and has become so sanitised its unreal. We as fans have bought into commentators, analysts etc saying " there is the contact" and accepting it as a foul then. Every supporter now uses "contact" as a barometer for a foul which is sad really.


9.) 16 Jan 2021 16:12:21
I feel like part of the reason refs don't punish "small cheats" is that there is no applicable punishment. Yellow and red cards and maybe too harsh and doing nothing rarely results in ref getting in trouble.

It's been suggested countless times before and I think it's a good idea to introduce a sin bin or penalty box for lesser offences.

Things like, stealing yards on throw ins, players going down too easy, that crazy annoying obstruction defenders do near the byline that gets punished anywhere else on the pitch.

If a player knows he's going to be off the pitch for the next 5 minutes if he goes down too easy he'll be less likely to do it. I also think that if the ref knows there's a punishment which more suitably fits the offence he's more likely to use it.


Its unbelievably rare to see anyone get two yellows for simulation ( even when they should) because pretty much everyone agrees that's quite harsh considering its hard to establish intent.


10.) 16 Jan 2021 22:50:35
IR - just saying that if there is contact then it could be a foul. Fair play for me.


 

 

 

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19 Jan 2021 22:23:26
Enough super fan syndrome out here I see.

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19 Jan 2021 21:48:03
But this isn't some smart comment being made in hindsight, the club knew we were in trouble before we got to the transfer market. I don't buy this thing that the club has no money when like I said many seasons we spent money when the club was worse off financially. They have this transfer window to fix some issues but are not.

We are going to go down as the reigning champions that didn't put up much of a fight. Maybe our luck changes and we mount a come back of note which we are capable of but seems we have rode our luck for a long time. That lucky horse is tired now. So what next, we surrender to C.V. and injuries? Other teams around us haven't.

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18 Jan 2021 14:30:09
Whatever it is Klopp needs to change things up. He is just going to pile on more pressure on him and the players if he puts his head in the ground and tries the same tactics over and over when it isn't working.
Nothing wrong with us having a dip in form, but something is wrong if Klopp keeps saying 'we know what is wrong, we know how to fix it' and he doesn't change anything.
Minamino might not be a better option to Bobby, but how else are we going to know if he doesn't try it. It can't be worse that what we currently are doing.

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18 Jan 2021 08:30:12
That's klopp being realistic about what the team can achieve this season.

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16 Jan 2021 18:05:02
It's a joke, pull the plug out your . Lol.

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