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08 Jan 2018 09:38:12
Any news on club planning to offer new contract to firmino? I hear he gets 60 odd. Anyone know when the contract is expiring?
1.) 08 Jan 2018 10:15:36
No idea how true it is, but i read he gets a base salary of £68k a week, plus a £45k bonus per goal.
2.) 08 Jan 2018 10:18:12
I mentioned a few months back he wants to stay longer, not sure what’s happening now.
3.) 08 Jan 2018 10:28:39
Coutinho is a player we did not want to lose. Firmino is a player we cannot afford to lose. Keep this one happy at all costs I say.
4.) 08 Jan 2018 10:37:00
Christ! How must they manage on that pittance?
5.) 08 Jan 2018 10:55:34
My favorite player in the squad, even though I tend to swear in front of the TV when he misses some shots :D.
6.) 08 Jan 2018 11:15:31
Why would anyone ask that on the back of the FA investigation this week following the Derby?!?! I hardly think it’s priority number one right now!
7.) 08 Jan 2018 11:25:06
Its priority no. one right now to make sure your important players are tied down to a long term contract and are happy.
The investigation is just a formality. The real investigation should be how holgate did see red for that push.
8.) 08 Jan 2018 11:55:13
Fair enough PakRed. I can’t believe he wasn’t sent off or even get a yellow either, but subject to the outcome the dust would have to settle first before the thorny issue of a contract is approached.
{Ed002's Note - Firmino is contracted until 2020.}
9.) 08 Jan 2018 12:05:01
But in the end, how good is a long term contract. Both Suarez and Coutinho had been handed new improved and extended contracts multiple times. If a player wants out, he will eventually get on, one way or another. The only difference is that we can ask a higher price. I thinkbthe only way to avoid, or limit these enforcements, is to put in a sanctnificant sanction or fine for the player, if he mistreats his contract in a certain aspecs. But what "worldstar" would sign such deal, properly noone. Sometimes I would like football to have a draft system like in the NBA or NFL. Player prices and buyout clauses should be capped and priced by evaluation.
10.) 08 Jan 2018 12:53:20
I think these long terms contracts mean little regarding the player actually staying with the club, however, they do ensure the club gets top dollar when the player goes.
11.) 08 Jan 2018 13:27:05
Mk I think that was misinterpreted when he let mane score rather than tap it in, as he was due a bonus with his next goal!
12.) 08 Jan 2018 15:40:53
We should offer new terms asap for the player 2020 is not that far away.
25 Aug 2016 11:09:45
Reports linking us with Charlie Taylor of Leeds. Is there any truths to this ed?
I read a little bit on him and he's a left back who can also play left wing. Is on the last year of his contract and has handed over a transfer request.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach from Liverpool but both West Brom and Middlesbrough have spoken with Leeds about Mr Taylor.}
1.) 26 Aug 2016 16:01:05
LFC are not signing a LB this window. Expect Balo and some of the squad players to move on before end of the window. Perhaps a holding midfielder/ deep lying midfielder is the only possibility of anything coming in.
Regards.
2.) 28 Aug 2016 02:43:55
I hear that Lucas leiva is a great holding mid. Should be pretty cheap too.
23 Oct 2014 09:00:07
Eds just read on metro that liverpool have lodged a 31.2 million bid for higuain? it doesn't say 'interested in' it says bid lodged, any truth to this?
{Ed002's Note - They are teasing you. No offer has been made. Liverpool might well be one of the interested clubs if he is made available for sale.}
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10 Aug 2021 10:46:20
We all want signing to freshen up the team but some players that were not available / not effective in previous seasons could be like new signing:
- Keita
- Ox
- Minamino
-Tsmikas
We desparetly needed a CB and we filled that position with potentially world class center back.
We have a lot of options in midfield so not sure if we need a midfielder right now.
What we do need is a quality striker as Firmino has faded away a bit in the last 1 and a half season. He looked sharp yesterday though.
Would love to hear everyone elses opinion on what position needs to be filled.
1.) 10 Aug 2021 10:53:02
Bobby looked good the other night, hopefully he has got his mojo back in front of goal.
{Ed025's Note - "one swallow doth not a summer make" KC..
2.) 10 Aug 2021 11:03:07
PakRed, play any of our midfield “options†without Fabinho and Henderson then you’ll see that we don’t actually have loads of midfield options, as teams will just run through us at will. Like last season when Fabinho and Henderson didn’t play in midfield, so a quality midfielder is needed far more than another striker. Goals may win matches, but good defending wins titles.
Keita is too injury prone and never turns up when it’s time to play real football and Ox is too injury prone to be relied upon, Milner looks his 36 years and Curtis is still learning. On paper it looks a lot, but paper teams win paper trophies.
3.) 10 Aug 2021 11:21:26
teams ran through us last season due to having 3 injured CBS you lose the quality of VVD, JG, JM and then Klopp putting Fabs and Hendo at CB instead of just persevering with Nat, Rhys was the Issue. unless Sanchez comes in I think the midfield options will be
Fabs, Thiago, Hendo, Milly, Keita, Ox, Jones. and Elliot in and around the team.
our front 3 are going to tear people apart again.
4.) 10 Aug 2021 11:34:40
Funny how we won 4 trophies in around 15 months with that paper team.
What's to guarantee that any signings we make don't also spend major time being injured? Klopp has said that a full pre-season should make a lot of difference to some of the players who get injured easily.
I reckon Klopp has proved that he knows what he's talking about.
5.) 10 Aug 2021 11:11:00
I hate to say it but if we don't have money then we should just sell Keita and buy a dependable CM with good fitness record.
I've always wanted Keita to do well but it doesn't seem like it has worked out for him yet.
6.) 10 Aug 2021 11:12:15
I would like a defensive midfielder to cover Fabinho as you could see we looked a lot tighter last night with him there. I think that would be better that as straight swap for Gini as we have plenty of players that can play there. If we where going to sign somebody for the attack then they would like a striker I think Jota is better from the left so with Jota mane salah Ox Minamino and Elliott with have plenty of players that seem better wide than through the middle.
7.) 10 Aug 2021 12:09:00
Flash, two things. That was literally the past, like Shanks or Paisley would say, forget about that season, it’s gone and things move on. Secondly, one of the critical factors in our success was having a dependable and reliable water carrier like Wijnaldum, we don’t actually have that now. Keita has proven time and again that he’s not up to the rigours of the premier league, no amount or pre season is going to help if you’re a complete flake. If Henderson and Fabinho aren’t available for any significant stretch of the season (and history shows that they both have had time out for injury issues in the last three years), then we’re done for.
8.) 10 Aug 2021 11:06:47
And one ordinary season does not a reputation ruin 025.
{Ed025's Note - but 1 extraordinary season in the last 32 years doth not a contender make either burkey, it actually makes you in the same bracket as leicester city i believe mate.. :)
9.) 10 Aug 2021 12:39:38
We're done for if Hendo and Fab are out? Sorry mate, I don't subscribe to the drama. And you're right about it being in the past, but that doesn't mean get rid of players who still have something to offer just because fans don't rate or like them.
There's a difference between evolution and chopping and changing because fans aren't happy.
History also shows us that Klopp knows what he's doing, despite armchair experts supposedly knowing betetr.
10.) 10 Aug 2021 12:40:40
{Ed025's Note - "one swallow doth not a summer make" KC.
ED using vernacular last used in Everton's hey day. either that or he's quoting his missus again.
{Ed025's Note - i like that marshy mate.. :)
11.) 10 Aug 2021 13:31:58
we get it VVVV you don't like Keita ;)
12.) 10 Aug 2021 13:53:15
Hi Ed025 . all I want to say is . From little things big things grow . plus I am a glass half full mate!
13.) 10 Aug 2021 15:15:31
So scoring 98 points and winning a Champions League isn’t also an extraordinary season?
14.) 10 Aug 2021 15:02:42
Pretty sure Ed25 we won CL one season and PL the next. Maybe two swallows doth not two summers make? 😂.
{Ed025's Note - fair point 1jj.. :)
15.) 10 Aug 2021 20:50:01
Oh, and we won 14 major trophies (including 2 CL’s, A UEFA Cup, 3 UEFA Super Cups, 3 FA Cups, 3 EFL Cups etc. ) BEFORE we actually won the league while breaking all types of records. How many swallows and summers does all that add up to, Ed25?
{Ed025's Note - i never studied ancient history oli..
16.) 11 Aug 2021 07:29:30
I admire your persistence Oli. Keep at it, Ed025 will surely and eventually buckle under the pressure, LOL. 😂.
{Ed025's Note - as the biggest witch of all witches once said..."this editors not for turning" ArAy, me and oli dont always see eye to eye mate, but im sure even he would concede that im the better man mate.. :)
21 Jun 2021 12:17:18
Do you think Harvey Elliot will be part of the first team squad next season? Question is if he's ready.
Should be going on loan again, maybe this time to a premier league club if that can be made possible? no point if he won't get game time though.
1.) 21 Jun 2021 13:04:29
At his age, he doesn't need to start every game. It would probably be counter-productive.
If we sell Shaqiri, I see no reason why Elliott can't take his place in the squad. Ease him into being a starting player and give him the stability of being a member of the same team rather than swapping and changing clubs every season. He's got plenty of time.
2.) 21 Jun 2021 13:09:19
I think most folks (incl the Eds) expect him to stay with us next season and be part of the 1st team squad. He was arguably one of the best players in the Championship last season which, at the age of only 18, is incredible.
I seem to recall that Ed001 favours him as a potential Firmino understudy. He doesn't have as much pace as Mane/ Salah (although he is still growing, but unlikely) so a 10 or a false 9 may be a good option.
He's a great talent and I'm looking forward to seeing him in red next season.
3.) 21 Jun 2021 13:18:11
Elliot will be prt of the LFC squad next season I am sure. He will get his chance in pre season and I fully expect him to take that chance. Origi, Shak, minamino will all probably leave so there is plenty of room for him.
4.) 21 Jun 2021 16:29:58
Would love to see him replace Shaqiri in the squad, and to get chances in cup games/ substitute performance etc. and to learn from Salah, Mane, Firmino. We should look to integrate him gradually like City did with Foden.
01 Jun 2021 10:53:50
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to get my opinion out for the mid field situation see if anyone agrees.
News coming out from liverpool that we won't sign another midfielder and it makes sense to me.
Last season we signed Thiago without any midfielders going out. Last season we won the league and were well stocked in midfield department.
Right now we have 1. Henderson 2. Fabhino 3. Thiago 4. Millner 5. Ox 6. Keita 7. Curtis
We also have shaq who can play in the 4-3-3 and Grujic coming back (who might be sold but can be kept as an option) .
Maximum i would do is sell Keita and replace him but there doesn't seem to be need to get another midfielder if there are no more outgoings in the area.
Best to focus the transfer funds towards a center forward as we need freshing up in that area.
{Ed002's Note - Grujic is being sold. Keita is available. Wijnaldum has gone.}
1.) 01 Jun 2021 12:20:38
I think midfield was as much of a problem as defence last year as the two were interdependent on each other.
I see it like this.
Henderson, Fabinho and Thiago are the first choice as things stand. However each of those players have issues with fitness and injury issues and it’s not inconceivable to think we could have a period where neither Fabinho or Henderson are available to play centre midfield.
In reserve we have:
Milner - he’s 35 turning 36, I think he’s more a 30 minute cameo when closing the game out kind of player than one you can rely upon as a starter now.
Jones - Potentially a very good player, but not the finished article and still needs to work hard on his game and progress.
Keita - Injury prone, rotten attitude, never puts a shift in. Likely to be sold this summer.
Ox - Iniury prone, more of an attacking midfielder than a centre midfielder. May be sold this summer.
Shaqiri - Injury prone, more of an attacking midfielder than a centre midfielder, likely to be sold this summer.
Grujic - Going to be sold this summer.
Essentially, discounting Keita, Shaqiri and Grujic, our back up appears to be Ox, Curtis Jones and Milner, which doesn’t really inspire confidence here.
2.) 01 Jun 2021 13:03:41
Good analysis of our current midfield options, VVVV. In addition to the injuries that Hendo, Fab and Thiago may be prone too, we also have to consider that both Hendo and Thiago are in their 30s now.
Before we look at the market, there are 4 players in the Academy that I have heard good things of during the season who are midfielders (of different flavours, some attacking, some defensive etc) who could provide some support during the year - Clarkson, Frauendorf, Balagazi and Musialowski. Of them, Clarkson and Balagazi appear to be CMs, and the other two are more AMs. I certainly wouldn't consider them to be bodies we could rely on for a long run of games, but I would hope that they could cover 0.5-1 midfield role, should they be required, during the season. Otherewise, as Ed001 has said, why bother having an academy.
My belief (may be wrong, but I don't think it will be wildly wrong) is that, if we can be realistic with pricing, we would see somewhere around £25-£30m from selling Keita, Shaqiri and Grujic. That should pay for one decent replacement. Probably not Bissouma or Tielemens, as PL experienced players who are highly prized and with decent length contracts remaining will not come cheap. But I think a younger CM with potential could be bought for roughly the same cost as the fees raised from selling the 3 identified.
I still wonder whether their may be any mileage in the Çalhanoğlu rumours? An experienced CM on a free could enable the £25-£30m above to be put towards a c£50m midfielder?
However, I certainly agree that we need 1-2 more CMs, ideally one who can cover Fab as a CDM, to be competitive and covered next year.
3.) 01 Jun 2021 13:07:34
i actually think we need 2 new bodies in here.
These are the 6 i believe will still be with us next season:
Hendo, Thiago, Fab, Milner, Jones, Ox
note: assuming Grujic, Keita, Shaq to be sold
of which, 5 have some degree of fitness issue. Perhaps Elliot can take one of the spots and another kick-ass CM in the mold of Bissouma?
4.) 01 Jun 2021 13:12:43
Wijnaldum leaving is a pain, in my opinion, though Klopp will no doubt see things differently. Given the situation with Ox and Keita, out of the three I just don’t feel Wijnaldum should have been the one to leave. The Eds have already made reference to Keita being a difficult player for whom to identify a buying club, and the same may be true for Ox given his injury record. Wijnaldum, on the other hand, will no doubt have a line of clubs looking to sign him.
5.) 01 Jun 2021 13:26:28
Sign a Bissouma and he is no 4 on your list.
Curtis Jones is no 5. Milner and Ox are 6 and 7 and sell Keita.
6.) 01 Jun 2021 13:59:17
Bissouma or Neves for me, I think Tielemans will come with a very high price that we can’t match whereas Bissouma and Neves are both in the 35-40m range and can both play at number 6 or number 8 easily.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has no interest in Neves.}
7.) 01 Jun 2021 19:45:03
Not sure we are interested in Tielemans either, IMO.
02 Sep 2020 08:04:31
Hi All,
I am one of those that think that our squad player for player is good enough for the coming season to compete for the league again and we have done well to get the left back in.
However what we need to do is freshen up the squad so the level of desire and competition of places remain the same.
This could mean for instance selling gini to buy thiago (i love gini btw) or even selling and attacker to buy another attacker. That is if we are unable to buy straight out.
The squad definetly needs a little freshining up and Thiago would help with that but i think the forwards need a bit of competition for a new guy too.
1.) 02 Sep 2020 11:17:04
We need another top CB, another forward and I feel Thiago would give us another dimension for when teams try to play defensive against us. If we don’t get the other two, we should still get Thiago Alcantara. I know he doesn’t fit in with fsg’s policy of buying young with lots of potential for resale value but this guy would be an amazing addition. Clearly klopp wants him and for good reason. Our forwards are playing well together and haven’t been since football resumed after lockdown, and defence has been leaky. If we can get those positions sorted, then I feel we will win the league again. Personally I think we are just waiting for one player to go and then a domino effect will bring players in.
10 Feb 2020 09:49:33
Hi Ed,
Is it possible to get a player profile for Steve Macmanaman?
Never saw him play but its said he and fowler carried liverpool through the 90s. Would love to get your view and perspective on him.
{Ed001's Note - I have added him to the list.}
1.) 10 Feb 2020 17:21:19
He was brilliant mcmanaman really exciting scored great goals, but was bit of a flat track bully didn't do it in the big games an if he was a lolly ice there would be none of himself left.
2.) 10 Feb 2020 18:50:00
What are you talking about. didn't do it in the big games? He single handed best bolton wanderers in the league cup final. He was excellent. Real madrid didn't come come knocking for nothing. And I'm sure he scored in champions league final for madrid.
Talking nonsense hailstones.
3.) 10 Feb 2020 20:06:20
Did he not score in 2 CL finals or am I just making it up?
4.) 10 Feb 2020 21:07:41
I used to stand in the Kop and watch him. Brilliant skills but too often either cut back and slowed attacks down or tried to take on too many players or even the same player twice and lost it. Brilliant and frustrating in equal measures.
5.) 10 Feb 2020 21:08:59
Did he not score in 2 CL finals or am I just making it up?
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He scored in the 2000 final and in the semi final of the 2002 campaign . He was great player but Hailstones is not wrong, Macca did go missing in some of the big games . with a bit more consistency he could've been one of the greats . He was as good technically as Ryan Giggs if not better, the difference was, Giggs produced in every game.
6.) 10 Feb 2020 23:10:32
I am talking about for liverpool I watched him every week I loved him, yes he scored in final vs Bolton but we should of won that game and we should of expected him too score or win the game, he never scored against united home or away or everton neither did he put in match winning performances against the big teams too contribute too winning leagues as in big games, compare him too another left winger at that time ryan Giggs an there's only one winner he was a match winner in big games for his club . Mcmanaman was class and great too watch but in the end dropped us like a sack of rubbish for nothing .
7.) 11 Feb 2020 02:37:19
Kind of pointless to argue that a goal or 2 in cup finals suggest a player can't be faulted for often disappointing in many other big moments. I liked his ability as a winger but he never reached that level where he could turn huge games enough with his quality like a number of former Liverpool players have done more regularly.
8.) 11 Feb 2020 18:43:02
I don't think I've seen anyone who could dance past someone like mcmanaman. There was Barnes of course, who could dance past players. But Steve just flew past them. If klopp had that team we'd have been dominant.
{Ed025's Note - very talented player robbie but never done it in an england shirt, then proved what an absolute shitbag he really was by running his contract down so that liverpool got nothing for him and he got the big signing on fee at madrid..
9.) 11 Feb 2020 23:17:02
Players run their contracts down ed025. They're not all rubbish bags mate. Maybe it was the only way Madrid would take him. I don't begrudge a player of his skill moving to a better team. We were at z low in those days. I was gutted at the time, but after so many years, fair play to him. There is life after Liverpool, and we can't hate every player who ever left us. If I did zn arya stark prayer I'd have to get out of bed before I've even fallen asleep
And he scored European Cup winning goals - so yeah, not a big game player at all lol. And I thought him and Anderton where pretty good in euro 96. In those days many players were guilty of not performing for England. Barnes always got that said of him (I thought he was decent tbf) I think there were too many cliques in those days.
{Ed025's Note - im a bit of an idealist i suppose robbie, i think liverpool treated him well and the fans loved him so to run your contract down and for the reds to get nothing for him seems a bit disloyal to me mate..
12 Dec 2019 10:49:23
Probably loaned back to Salzburg for the rest of the season.
21 Oct 2018 13:07:50
Maybe against the smaller more stubborn teams we need to play shaqiri in stead of third misfielder.
We will click, there were moments in the past 2 and a half season with klopp where we would not click as an attacking team and lost or drew games. I think we were 9th after that second int break last season.
This season the defense is supporting when we aren't scoring 3-4 goals. The goals will come im not worried.
09 Apr 2018 07:25:05
Xabi its probably best to judge him once he has a consistent run of games under his belt. I think he can be good for us if he gets game time.
The real question is who do you prefer is the squad striker, origi or Ings? its looking like wolfsburg will not retain his services next season.
02 Apr 2018 12:50:40
We need to get ideally a CB a GK and CDM this summer. Worst case we need to get a CB and CDM.
28 Mar 2018 10:17:48
Origi would be marketable for teams outside the top 3 leagues, francce or portugal?
Sad about sturridge and all that potential. he's on 120 too apparently and no one will be willing to pay that.
He could also end up pulling a van persie and be injury free next two years and bang the goals in.
10 Aug 2021 11:13:12
Guess he can't treat it as an extended break. he played a lot of football last year.
10 Aug 2021 11:11:00
I hate to say it but if we don't have money then we should just sell Keita and buy a dependable CM with good fitness record.
I've always wanted Keita to do well but it doesn't seem like it has worked out for him yet.
01 Jun 2021 11:18:16
I loved Reina but he regressed as time went one and always had a mistake in him.
I remember him letting in a drogba goal at bridge in CL QF when we were 2-0 up and it completely changed the game. I think that was probably his last season with us.
01 Jun 2021 10:58:12
We don't need to sign a CM. It will not be a mistake. You can't plan for freak injury situations.
17 Feb 2020 09:11:00
Why should we not get the 2014 title if they are stripped of it? they got it by cheating. They paid transfer fees for players that played that season by cheating while FSG stayed within rules.
Its only fair we get the title, rules are explained to everyone.
Fernandinho 40 million euros
Navas 20 million euros
Negredo 24 million euros
Just to name a few.
They would probably not win the title if they were not able to get those players any a few before them.
{Ed001's Note - they might not have but they also might well have won it. Unless it is match fixing that has been found, I don't see why titles should be stripped.}