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25 Nov 2024 10:10:55
To folks who have been complaining about our performances-
I think we may not have 'played well' by standards set by klopp, where we completely crush and smother the opposition and spend the entire game in their half or beat them into submission on the counter, but we also don't look like we've lost our heads in any game we've played or that we're banging on a wall desperately running out of ideas, in every game we look like we can turn up the levels/ press with more aggression ans in packs when we need to.
we also don't look like we might concede every time we lose the ball although we're still somewhat prone to getting done on the transition despite slot's very distinct adjustments to limit damage in that direction and we still have some noticeable deficiencies pressing between the front line and the midfield.
So what does it mean to play well? Of all the prem sides this year spurs and Chelsea probably have 'played well' the most often, spurs looking the closest to the style that we are used to on occasion, but spurs didn't look like they had a clue against Newcastle and then got outfoxed against Ipswich among others.
Remember that this isn't the final form of Slot's Liverpool, he's exercising caution as he's learning the ropes and balancing getting the best out of the players he has and the way they're accustomed to playing under Juergen while slowly introducing his own ideas, I think it's clear that the foremost priority with Slot is not conceding cheap goals by giving away the ball and being caught upfield, as a consequence Trent is playing more conservatively and isn't being tasked with hitting so many risky passes. Jurgen's style of play was premised upon taking lots of risks and taking loads of shots, betting on sheer volume of attacking plays and winning second balls high up the pitch when they didn't come off (and when they did we looked a lot more spectacular and highlight reel worthy) . Slot understandably prioritises risk management at the moment being new to the job, the squad and the league, is it fair to expect any different? And yet in the space of less than a third of the season we can see a very discernible way of playing and the players have very defined roles that make the most of their skillset. We lead the league in expected goals, are second in goals scored and have the stingiest defence in the league to boot, of course we have areas in which we can massively improve but we aren't top of the league by fluke, we unquestionably deserve to be there.
Maybe the way we're approaching games now makes us look a lot less Hollywood and dominant but keep things in context- we're a work in progress that happens to be top of the league and current favourites to win the league, and part of that has to do with the fact that our rivals are falling away from the chase at the moment. Making quick judgments on 'slot's style of play' and how it differs from Juergen seems a bit erroneous and premature to me because it's not like we could make a call on jurgen's style of play 20 games into his Liverpool career- his style of play came into full fruition when mo, Bobby, sadio, virg, Ali, hendo, Trent and robbo were there to truly execute it. A year or two from now we will see what the mature form of 'slot's style' really is for better or worse, and who's to say it won't be dominant in an analogous but diffeeent sort of way from klopp's?
Finally, did anyone really expect us to win the title or even to be neck and neck with city and arsenal this year? Of course now it's in our hands we're going to go for it but chastising the coach and the players for not blowing teams away and for showing chinks in the armour is just utterly befuddling to me, it just redolent of a true lack of perspective.
1.) 25 Nov 2024 10:24:18
Patrick this place is crickets when we win usually but batrubbish when we lose/ draw/ don't batter "lesser" teams. People like to complain. Is what it is.
2.) 25 Nov 2024 10:37:16
We won the weekend for the 3rd week in a row. Not arsed how we got there, personally. We are still a work in progress as I've always said and we are no where near being the finished article yet at this point. It is what it is.
3.) 25 Nov 2024 10:44:39
People comparing us to peak-Klopp are probably the same people who complained for the first year and a half that Klopp’s team wasn’t set up properly and we just run around like headless chickens.
11 Jun 2024 14:27:51
So I was watching some of Darwin's performances from his first season at benfica, and bizarrely he was exhibiting a lot of the weaknesses that make him a frustrating player for us- getting caught offside all the time, lacking composure when presented with easy chances, choosing to shoot when the pass is on but more often choosing to pass when the shot is on, running into a cul-de-sac sometimes, getting frustrated with himself and snatching at chances etc, but he also got team mates involved a lot and racked up the assists even when not scoring because of bad decisions. he was also played on the left wing instead of through the center at times and actually looked more effective having space in behind to take full backs on one v one and the. Cutting inside or delivering cutbacks
As we all know Darwin got flak from benfica fans for missing a lot, went off social media, worked on his game in the off season and turned in a blinder his last season at benfica, topping the scoring charts, lighting up the champions league, becoming the hottest non-haaland property on the market that year and then moving to us, all while continuing to develop his all around game and rectifying a lot of the faults that he showed in the season before
Oddly enough the exact same thing has happened again, maybe this sort of ebb and flow is going to take place once more? Very enigmatic and emotional player, but he's shown that when he has confidence and space to attack in front of him he can be a monster.
1.) 11 Jun 2024 17:50:57
Darwin really found his feet during the season but the final international break seemed to throw him along with a whole load of players out of form.
I think he will benefit from the new era under new coaches, without the pressure cooker environment that was created by Klopp's imminent departure.
Call me hopeful.
2.) 11 Jun 2024 18:35:16
This season coming is Darwin’s third season with us tho. He should have been doing what you said last Summer.
3.) 11 Jun 2024 21:05:42
I doubt Nunez will ever not frustrate, but as long as his numbers are good, he will always be worthy of a place in the current team.
As for his end of season dip, it happened to many, but it also coincided with us playing slow deliberate keep ball around the halfway line. Rather than looking to utilise his strengths behind the backline. We saw many times with the lethal Haaland, if you don't provide the ammunition, it's difficult to score.
4.) 12 Jun 2024 00:32:12
OP, Isn’t what you are saying basically that he hasn’t changed / improved ?
I think he has one more season to show consistency in his game awareness and scoring ability. If he doesn’t do it next season I doubt he ever will (at least for us) . we signed him for @ € 75m which is a hefty sum of money for an inconsistent return.
5.) 12 Jun 2024 06:51:17
Actually what I mean WDW is that he did improve, but then fell back into old patterns again, but the way in which he reacted to being made the target of ridicule and derision before shows that he has the ability to react. I think the issues with him are both mental and tactical, he is a player who needs confidence and needs space to attack, he’s not the kind of player to pirouette past players near the corner flag in a packed box and play one-twos in tight spaces, he needs space to run directly at defenders and the game around him has to be fast and direct rather than slow, methodical and ponderous
I think with slot keeping his wingers out wide rather than cutting into the box and the number 10 and two 8s pushing high up to feed Darwin we could see an interesting turn of events for him, though I think at the same time slot’s football is considerably less direct and more calculated than vintage klopp, so we’ll see what happens.
6.) 12 Jun 2024 09:06:21
Sirshanks, City keep the ball better than anyone and Haaland still scores more than anyone. A big difference, as well as City taking their chances, is that it's ok to do that when you're winning and not chasing games. When we are conceding so many goals keeping the ball isn't what is needed.
A lack of control at the back, in midfield and up front meant that we were often on the back foot.
7.) 12 Jun 2024 09:18:31
Make or break season for Darwin I feel.
Hopefully the new coaches can work on his confidence and composure.
He’s good enough, he needs to believe in himself and focus.
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05 Dec 2024 15:53:24
I would love us to get zubimendi eventually, he has been scary scary good for sociedad this year, uses the ball perfectly and gets into the final third a lot too, though I think ed001 is right, his game is quite similar to Mac allister this year though he is also making a lot of interceptions in midfield.
05 Dec 2024 14:26:31
Bastoni is inter through and through, pretty sure he would never want to leave his club, barella, another we’ve been admiring for years, would probably be the same.
05 Dec 2024 14:25:26
Real is the most glamorous spectacle in football but they have a toxic history, a toxic fanbase, toxic ultras and generally crap royalist politics, nobody besides their own fans like them and any respect for them is begrudging, as a player I guess I can somewhat see the appeal because they stand for ‘success’ in the quantifiable sense but all the other factors from a footballing perspective make them a deeply unattractive proposition.
05 Dec 2024 14:04:45
Saying Elliott or Endo would be more useful and score more as a number 9, people say the most ridiculous things when they’re overreacting to a draw or loss, give some respect to these lads for evolving their game and to fit this new system (yes, I think Darwin’s role is very noticeably different from last year, but then again jota’s is too) . Darwin hasn’t sulked when sitting on the bench, has a very unique skill set for a number 9 and puts in maximum effort all the time, he might not be with us next year but I will appreciate everything he’s put into improving his game to contribute to the team while with us.
05 Dec 2024 13:54:04
I think that if you were to ask mo in private, he’d probably tell you that he loves playing with Darwin. The two of them and dom have worked really well together on that right hand side, and they show much more synergy than mo and jota. one bad game where we didn’t win and everybody’s calling him useless, I don’t know if he’s the ideal no 9 for us- probably not- but he has played his part in us being number 1 this year, everybody is singling him out like he’s held us back.
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08 Dec 2024 13:54:31
Trent can’t defend? Have you been watching him this season?
08 Dec 2024 13:54:03
Wdw tbf Amorim is just being honest, at least he isn’t talking tripe like ten hag insisting his team are fine even when they clearly aren’t, it’s true that he took over sporting when they looked nowhere near challenging and turned them into a force too, with even Radcliffe coming out and saying it might take years for United to challenge it’s pretty grim for United fans haha. I’ll say to their credit that mainoo still looks a good prospect as an attack minded 8, yoro should become a very good back 3 center half in time and Amad should prove a decent wingback for Amorim’s system.
The goals they conceded against forest were pretty comical, though, I don’t really know how Onana conceded the second and the third was magnificent, one player parked on the line, the goalie and the center half both beaten at the near post by a looping header, superb.
08 Dec 2024 13:45:42
Spurs have both of their starting center halves and their keeper injured (granted they thrashed city even without them) and now Ben Davies, their best player of the last few games having stood in for the missing defenders, is also injured for a few games. Add in the bad vibes around the spurs support and it’s hard to see them picking up a result. Stranger things have happened when spurs face a big team though….
07 Dec 2024 16:40:13
Duran looks to me like an incredible goal scorer and at the same time a pretty awful all around footballer, his teamwork and linkup play with others is absolutely nonexistent, if you asked him to play a role where he’d selflessly make runs to make space for other people I’m pretty certain he would have absolutely no idea how to do it, he just wants to get on the end of everything. Watkins might not be as instinctive as him but he offers so much more off the ball and in general play.
07 Dec 2024 07:39:49
Lots of my mates are arsenal fans, in fact I’d say pretty much all of them are (don’t ask me how that came to be, considering I live in Asia and not London), they are a pretty depressed lot to be fair, sort of like we were when klopp first arrived.
they’ve had two good seasons and have signed some excellent players so it’s justified for them to be reasonably excited I suppose, but even in the run in or the title race they never really seem to believe they’re actually going to win anything, I have no idea if this is common among their fanbase. Their style of play is pretty damn appalling to put it kindly this season but maybe it’s just because they’ve been missing odegaard and saka was injured for a few games? It’s a bit bizarre because all my friends became arsenal fans because of wenger, and now their style of play is pretty much the polar opposite of that.