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19 Nov 2022 10:00:01
Does anyone else miss football? I mean real football not these World Cup boring games. When does the world cup end? I want to see Darwin and Mo. Can't they just cancel the World Cup?

Pauloice

1.) 19 Nov 2022 10:58:16
No. Nope.


2.) 19 Nov 2022 11:16:19
Infantino making a right plonker of himself.
He’s right to mention the West’s history but it’s called evolution.
We’re in the 21 st century Gianni, and unfortunately Qatar has rooted its ideology a couple of thousand or so years ago .
Plonker.


3.) 19 Nov 2022 12:07:38
With a prize tw@t like leading the way FIFA more and more represent what is wrong with the game today at the highest level.
Completely detached from reality, brazenly trousering millions illicitly while coming out with statements like that.
It must be good quality nose candy they're supplying him with.


4.) 19 Nov 2022 12:46:21
There isn’t a perfect person or a Utopian state alas.
And I certainly believe in the redemptive power of sport as a force for positive change.
International sport played a significant role in the rehabilitation of Axis nations after WW2 for instance.
After the removal of the tyrannical institutions that had risen to power in those states.
The ever-excellent Barney Ronay has produced a couple of articles in The Guardian that sum up the situation, for me anyway.


5.) 19 Nov 2022 12:48:11
Infantino must have been handed a nice fat brown envelope before coming out with that drivel.


6.) 19 Nov 2022 14:00:21
I think infantino did a great job calling it how it is - every country especially in Europe have major flaws
Nothing was said about Russia before cos the media are too scared - but South Africa and now qatar have to deal with people hating cos the country is a small and easy target and no doubt muslim orientated.

Humans rights— yea ok I don’t think we can complain in europe about that
How about people just enjoy the spectacle of the World Cup - and watch some good football - they wouldn’t say anything if it was held in Dubai!

After living there for ten years i don’t think the complainers have a clue who built all the massive buildings in the city! Pff hypocrites.


7.) 19 Nov 2022 14:05:30
Its hilarious that the more they try to deflect attention away from the human rights issues in Qatar, the more they end up highlighting and publicising them.


8.) 19 Nov 2022 14:06:47
I don't know about Infantino or FIFA but he is right about the hypocrisy.

It is in the psyche of the Western people to be disrespectful towards other people's way of life unless if its for their own benefit. So we will take their cheap labour in Bangladeshi factories, we will steal their oil, we will invest in geopolitical turmoil to sell weapons, but how dare they try to appear our equal in glitter and glory.

This moral posturing is so tiring. All of the world bar a select 20 or 30 countries hate it.


9.) 19 Nov 2022 16:23:52
Qatar is a sham simple as! Fifa and uefa are a bigger sham!


10.) 19 Nov 2022 16:43:29
Juicer, I saw parts of Infantino’s speech as well. I mean, was the guy drunk or what? The guy was just rambling about with pathetic whataboutisms saying he feels like a Qatari, gay person etc. and that he knows what it feels like to be discriminated against.

Imagine trying to play the victim with fake empathy while at the same time, failing to address the actual plight of those poor migrant workers whose lives (and those if their families) have been ruined forever just so we can all watch something as useless as an international footie tournament. Nice try, Gianni BUT nobody bought your desperate attempt at theatre.


11.) 19 Nov 2022 17:05:34
Anyone saying “the west” has no right to complain is simply out of touch with reality. The whole world should complain at the entire circumstance surrounding the last two world cups. FIFA makes a point of not allowing political messages on the field and yet asks the world to engage in politics by supporting these sham tournaments paid for in blood and dirty money to and by criminals and despots.


12.) 19 Nov 2022 17:26:14
I lost hope with International football, i mean the layout of the entire World cup is a sham on itself how come a big continent like Africa is represented by 5 teams only.

{Ed025's Note - because they are not very good?..


13.) 19 Nov 2022 18:03:58
Spot on, QV. saying that the west should not complain about the outright atrocities meted out to these poor migrant workers just cos if their past, is nothing but a deflection tactic. So cos bad things were done by generations past means that the current generation who have learned the lessons should not speak out when the same things are happening now? The guy is even more pompous and tone-deaf than I thought.

FIFA does want footie and politics to mix. Wait, so who do they meet with to awards hosting rights in these countries? Heads of State, Ministers of Sports etc. The political class of course.

What process do they use to select the host country? A voting process. Is that not political by definition? Pls, the emperor literally has NO clothes and someone needs to step in and put a blanket over this guy, seriously.


14.) 19 Nov 2022 17:37:54
Not very good? haa! Ed25 are you for real, is like saying the Toffees shouldn't play Europa league bcz they're not good enough which is like an insult to all of you Ed?
Joking Ed but African players are well represented all over Europes league which is a testament to how good they're .

{Ed025's Note - there are some brilliant african players massa, but as far as teams go they are in the luxembourg bracket, i dont really know why mate because athletically they are superior to most continents but they just dont seem able to put a quality team together, maybe in time they will and i really hope so but for now they dont bring enough to the table..


15.) 19 Nov 2022 18:10:14
Ed25, that’s not the case with African countries. Historically, the WC was btw Europe and South America mostly. Tunisia was the first and only African country to make it and it was in 1970 in Mexico.

it’s has NEVER been the case that African countries are not good, imo. They were never really given a chance hence, they had to earn their way. Certain European countries wouldn’t make it out of the rough terrain that is the African Qualifiers which is in three rounds. Along with the South American qualifiers, it is arguably the toughest to qualify from. Wales wouldn’t make it out, I bet. African countries are good and they have made strides since 1970.

{Ed025's Note - as i said to massa oli i think they have some brilliant players and maybe in time an african nation will win the WC, at least i would like to think so, but in the present they are very much the underdogs who fail to make viable opponents who could give the better nations a decent game, is it coaching?, lack of facilities?, i really dont know because individually they certainly have the talent mate..


16.) 19 Nov 2022 18:16:49
Someone should have asked him if he feels gay whether he also safe to go and have sex with a man while in Qatar.


17.) 19 Nov 2022 18:52:22
It’s just the worst World Cup ever, and a ball hasn’t even been kicked yet.
The location, the Injuries, the problems…
And obviously the league being ruined by it has just put everyone off. I haven’t seen any flags, not even outside the pubs, it’s absolute sausage.
I watched a bit of that Fifa programme on Netflix, it appears it’s been corrupt for decades!
I’ve been to Qatar, lovely clean place, but it’s not somewhere you’d hold a football tournament of any kind.


18.) 19 Nov 2022 19:31:45
OliRed, this is not about complaining for the plight of the poor workers. Of course they deserve all of our sympathies.

It is about strategically using symbols of power to keep others under our thumb.

If we care about migrant workers, let's all meet outside Westminster on Monday morning and demand that our foreign office dismisses the ambassadors of the gulf states from the UK until they stop using slave labour to build cities. Let's stop supplying weapons to Saudis who have annihilated Yemen. Let's send back the Israeli ambassador for their abuses.

In reality this is about using an opportunity to declare moral superiority over people who refuse to adopt Western ideals about liberal values. They can have our money, they can hold our real estate investments, they can host us on extravagant holidays, but they should not be allowed to host the world in a mega festival like we do, lest they may be seen as our equal.

This kind of moral supremacy is very useful. The west is always 2 or 3 propaganda stories away from declaring a righteous crusade against any "backward" country in the name of installing human rights and liberal values.

I wonder how many people will be protesting the 2026 World Cup hosts being responsible for 1/ 3rd of the world's environmental damage, approx. causing $2tn damage to other countries, while only having 1/ 20th of the world's population? The human catastrophe the US has caused and continues to cause far outweighs anything Qatar could ever do and yet I bet nobody will utter a word. In 2026 football will again be apolitical.

Accuse me of whataboutery. But whataboutery is great tool for exposing biases and hypocrisy.


19.) 19 Nov 2022 20:32:01
hhanif005, redrebel and Infantino - it's only hypocrisy if you are also doing the same thing right now, or haven't done anything to move forward. The idea that you can turn a blind eye to blatant discrimination in 2022, because in 22BC Europe was doing some bad things that Qatar are still doing today is absolutely mind-numbingly stupid.

But to keep you happy, I will pass on to my children to pass on for the next 66 generations so that in 4022 they can start the campaign for Qatar to address their human right issues.


20.) 19 Nov 2022 20:39:12
Hhanif, you make some very good points and most, if not all of what you say is true, but what I would say is that in this instance we’re talking about the collateral damage and corruption involved in a sporting event. This is not posturing, negotiation or politics between countries, this using people’s lives to display prestige and to wear the World Cup around a country’s neck like a trophy.

If the USA killed 5000 migrant workers, or even US nationals for that matter, in the building of stadia for the tournament then they’d be getting the same treatment.

The point is football should never be a political tool and yet, just by hosting the tournament this tiny country and the circumstances it has taken to do so has made it political.

We just want to watch a wonderful spectacle and not have to consider the cost. I think it’s not too much to ask. If Qatar was able to offer more than oil, sunshine and human rights abuse then maybe more of a defence could be made for holding it there.


21.) 19 Nov 2022 22:00:46
African nations have played 142 matches at the World Cup and have won 29 games, that’s a win rate of 20% which is absolutely dreadful. Africa has had some great players over the years but their national teams are mostly awful. They do not deserve any more teams at the World Cup.


22.) 20 Nov 2022 00:32:17
Re Qatar WC, FIFA doesn’t have any basis to preach, it’s because of corruption it’s being held in Qatar awarded by FIFA.

Also because FIFA named the 2 WC hosts together they that being FIFA had years to instigate a different location or combination of locations to “make amends”, yet it appears FIFA couldn’t be bothered.

Then they changed normal protocol by allowing Qatar to open the tournament playing the first game.


23.) 20 Nov 2022 01:38:34
although i agree with the issues over human rights, there has been 12 years since qatar was awarded the WC so it isn't like there hasn't been time to keep rolling on about it and get the venue changed if everyone thought that strongly about it. for me it is just an annoyance that it comes as we was starting to put a run together finally, and now i am on tenterhooks in case we lose more important players to injury.


24.) 19 Nov 2022 22:36:52
Jeez, this World Cup is a long, long LONG way away from being a sporting occasion to celebrate.

Another really sad thing for the game of football is the head of the game’s governing body feels compelled to politicise the game and then feels empowered to act as an apologist for 3000 years of (western) society. Like the World Cup itself, the President of FIFA has wandered a long way away from what he is supposed to be doing. Still, the money’s come in handy I suppose.


25.) 19 Nov 2022 22:37:58
Hello Hanif,
I agree with you that the 'west' has done a lot of crap (colonialism, slavery, capitalism. ) in the past, does in the present and probably will do in the future. But let's not throw out the one decent thing (human rights), that has been invented. For me, not going to prison when you're gay, having the same rights as a woman, not having to die to feed your family far away. is not about moralising, it's about humanity.
And to second you, I really hope people will be revolting too when the USA destroys the planet to host the cup.
All the best.


26.) 20 Nov 2022 05:48:56
Some good points and I agree with some of Hanif’s also.
It’s not moral superiority, it’s the state being open to criticism, scrutiny and accountability.
Qatar’s rulers are not used to that at all, it’s not allowed and I’m sure that even this football forum would be censored and possibly shut down were it based in Qatar?


27.) 20 Nov 2022 07:31:22
Moral superiority (whatever the heck that means) is nothing but a kop out and pathetic excuse of a distraction to draw attention away from the atrocities committed by the Qatari State on the lives of these workers. Period, end of story.

FIFA and the Qatari State wants everybody to shut up about it and if we don’t they come out with this absolute waffle about history and this and that I’m a bid to gaslight those legitimately criticising his FIFA org and the State.

I’m not buying any of that rubbish esp since both are in NO way related. So essentially cos Europeans for ex, had a huge hand in slavery generations ago means that this generation that despises it should not speak out and condemn it when it is happening now? Yeah, thought so. His level of tone deafness is only matched by the brazenness of his arrogance.

Infantino is trying to silence those of us trying to speak out against these atrocities and frankly imo, he failed miserably. Oh and he gets a big, fat F for effort.


28.) 20 Nov 2022 08:10:58
But OliRed, we’re supposed to stop talking about that stuff now and focus on the football. Human rights abuses are so passé.


29.) 20 Nov 2022 09:51:14
It just shows how horrible and corrupt the world is take sport out of it . It’s 2022 we are still talking about slavery

The whole world needs to change . Sounds drastic but we (uk ) are supposedly a leading country in the world and we have food banks

We need a revolution worldwide

Someone told me years ago the world is like a scales in order to have people up on inside you need people to be down on the other .

The scales need tipping to bring us more back to an even keel .

I know this is going to be viewed as I’m a hippy etc and I don’t care we need this to happen otherwise humanity is on a very bad path.


30.) 20 Nov 2022 10:39:26
@Dhfc, I think it’s safe to say that not all humanity is on a bad path. Most of us are just trying to do the best we can for family, friends and those we see around us who are, for whatever reason, suffering. Most of the time it’s enough, sometimes sadly it isn’t. If you give me 10 people anywhere in the world you will find, generally speaking, that 7 want to just get on with life as best they can 2 will go out of their way to help you and 1 will be an a###hole. That will be true of Qataris just as much as the English or the Germans or the Vietnamese or any other country you care to name.

Just to add I’m not in any way saying that Qatar is a model state and what’s happened there is wrong, as are (some of) their attitudes to society but I’d be willing to bet that most Qataris don’t share the attitudes n the privacy of their own homes.


31.) 20 Nov 2022 11:32:45
Hhanif, I am not in the slightest interested in whataboutisms and dragging this or that argument to make some pathetic point of moral superiority or deflect from the topic at hand. If you think it is moral superiority or virtue signaling for people to genuinely to speak about the atrocities meted out to the vulnerable in society then, that’s you projecting your own principles and opinions onto others cos like irbid not, not everyone acts and thinks is like you.

A tournament was organised and people have died unnecessarily in order for it to happen and this guy and his ilk wants us to all shut up about it and if we don’t, use symbols and history to gaslight us and deflect away this tragic outcome by dragging historic nonsense into it to make the comparison look like a wash/ fair and balanced in other to cover their tracks. That is my issue here.

I don’t care about what happened 3,000 yrs which again, and it has NOTHING to do with the immense collateral damage that put upon these poor workers who only seeked employment so they can feed their families and realize their dreams, as the families they left behind have said.

But the powers that be would rather have nobody talk about it and if we do, they trot out the wretched “shiny new object” of history and project fake empathy by engaging in “Concern-Trolling”. Maybe your boy Gianni should read the testimonies some of these families have given about how their lives have been wrecked forever after losing their husbands, fathers, brothers, sons etc. just so you can watch a footie game (COS I have actually read them) and then try to explain their pain and suffering away to them with tales about history, symbols and whataboutisms to comfort them and see how things het on. Peace.


32.) 20 Nov 2022 15:17:54
I agree 100% with everything you have said regarding this subject OliRed.

Every game will be played in what is effectively a graveyard masquerading as a football stadium, but what's a few thousand poor migrant workers compared to the vast riches of a corrupt organization which is rotten to the core from top to bottom that allowed this to happen just so a country that is still clearly living in the dark ages can look good for 8 weeks with a healthy dollop of sportwashing.


Once the world cup is over and the cameras have stopped rolling, the regime will carry on as normal- will for example Quatar start a football league or will they just bulldoze the stadiums and build luxury flats and appartments.


Will homosexuals be able to live there life without fear or intimidation from the authorities?

I think we both know the answer to that.

Once again: Top post, always enjoy reading your thoughts. Peace.


33.) 20 Nov 2022 17:20:34
Good point KK. I wonder how many people died building this stadium.
Slaves Burning in the heat just so thousands of fake fans can sit n watch a sport they have minimal interest in.
At least everyone at the top can earn more money they don’t need.


34.) 20 Nov 2022 18:45:07
LiverpoolFC8, conservative estimates are around 6000 workers died in slave labour working conditions to make this farce happen.


 

 

05 May 2021 23:15:12
Sell
Origi (£15m), Minamino (£15m), grujic (£15m) Harrywilson (£20m), Keita (£35m) shakiri (£25m) ojo (£8m) Nat phillips (£10m)
that's £143m
Buy
Konate (£30m), Bissouma (£30m), Mbappe (£100m+firmino)
Sancho (£75m)

That's £235m

£235-£143m=£92m spent really from owners pocket

Squad
GK - Ali, kelleher, adrian

DF- Virgil, konate, matip, gomez, trent, robbo, tsimikas, williams

MF- fab, thiago, hendo, bissouma, jones, chambo, millie

FW- salah, manè, mbappe, jota, sancho,


Just thinking out loud, what do you think Ed2.

Pauloice

{Ed002's Note - I am afraid that seems rather far fetched.}


1.) 06 May 2021 00:11:03
Far fetched is being polite Ed. Delusional is more accurate.

{Ed0666's Note - don’t Sancho, Salah and Mbappe play in the same position? So effectively the OP wants argubly the best 3 right wingers on the planet in world football on the same team.? Yep I’d cal that delusion also


2.) 06 May 2021 00:17:44
You should probably halve the sell amount for most of those players and Mbappe is never happening.


3.) 06 May 2021 04:06:55
Why would mbappe join a team who may just manage to qualify for the europa league? Plus no one is going to pay £25 million for Shaquiri, or £15 million for Minamino. I’d also include mane as one of the players to sell too.


4.) 06 May 2021 05:05:06
Id try to get tammy and hudson odoi, chelsea youth is different gravy.


5.) 06 May 2021 06:40:11
I don't tnk anyone who is right in head would pay 35m for keita.


6.) 06 May 2021 06:50:52
I think you are expecting £50 million more than I would value our players.


7.) 06 May 2021 08:17:27
Op I think you’ve played to much fifa mate!


8.) 06 May 2021 08:42:12
I’m agreeing with thunderbird on that (it’s a 1st lol)


 

 

 

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18 Nov 2022 16:52:49
Thanks for the reply Ed025, would be my pick aswell not taking anything from our captain.

Pauloice

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18 Nov 2022 16:32:42
Just to check VVV, who would the lot of you prefer in a midfield with Fabinho and Thiago now, Hendo or Mount? EDs your opinions please.

Pauloice

{Ed025's Note - mount every day of the week for me paul..


 

 

 

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26 Oct 2023 15:06:04
Sorry Ed0001 but Sergio Busquets changed the way his position was played, his ability on the ball and positioning was unmatched, tremendous player he was, xavi and iniesta who played in front of him have said so because defensively both did next to zero and Segio covered well, his weakness was pace and mobility but he made up with his reading of the game and high footbal IQ.
He was a beast, xavi, iniesta, guardiola, even Mourinho have said so. Barça kept him for longer than they should as his ability decreased with age but he was a beast.

Pauloice

{Ed001's Note - that is utter nonsense. They did not do next to zero defensively, they used a high press and those two were key to it. I don't care who said what, imo he was not that good and he was only able to play the role due to the cheating referees that Barca bought off so he could foul with impunity and break up counters.}


 

 

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18 Nov 2022 16:47:21
Kloppofthedeen how's aberdeen? Loved that place, lived there for two amazing years. Meaning to go back, best place I've lived my whole life.

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18 Nov 2022 16:44:14
I think terminating his contract would be a mistake, big clubs should act as big clubs and make an example of one of the biggest world stars. Are United still a big club though?! Haha
They should fine him for a few weeks, possibly sue him, but most importantly keep him, have him train with the under 21s, he obviously did the interview to get fired hence the time it was released, don't do exactly what he wants you to do, make him suffer, that would destroy the guy.

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06 Jan 2018 00:11:52
he said "ce ta louco? ce ta louco? filho da puta! "
which translates to: "are you crazy? are you crazy? son of a b***h.

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