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28 May 2021 14:41:46
BBC reporting the Konate transfer fee as £35m. That number still sends a chill down my spine.

It is now over ten years since we paid that same amount of money for Andy Carroll! Considering the transfer fees we have paid since for the likes of Firmino, Mane and Salah, and recently for Jota - and that transfer fees generally have increased significantly in that time - it really is an astonishing amount of money that we paid for Carroll over ten years ago. Last minute transfer window panic.

RR

1.) 28 May 2021 15:14:05
I would say it's due to two reasons. First, we all know English players command a premium, when you're comparing them to comparable foreign players, in the EPL. Second, FSG were novices at the game and were probably following some inaccurate advice. I'm sure the manager okayed the purchase, but I'm also sure he didn't set the price. That would have been the higher-ups to decide.


2.) 28 May 2021 15:17:47
Yeah I remember the £50m we got for Torres being a ridiculous amount that was probably seen as an offer we can’t refuse.


3.) 28 May 2021 16:37:18
Remember that United paid over double that for slabhead.


4.) 28 May 2021 16:49:10
Torres wanted to go to Chelsea so we needed a replacement.

We plumped for Carroll.
I believe the Torres fee was based on how much Newcastle wanted for Carroll. AC + £15m for Torres.


5.) 28 May 2021 17:31:32
About United paying. which one are u speaking about.


6.) 28 May 2021 17:43:50
So if we had got AC for £10 million we would have sold Torres for £25 million? don't think it works like that Bram.
One of our worst pieces of business all the same.


7.) 28 May 2021 18:57:41
£52 million for Keita, that's about £26 million per game played.


8.) 28 May 2021 21:27:25
We did pay 35 for ox too. Around same for fab mane salah. Same mean for jota and thiago. Most of our buys are around that figure.
35 seems to be the new 10.


 

 

25 May 2021 12:11:29
I must admit that I don't know a great deal about Konate, other than that his name has been a recurring theme in this forum for most of the last season.

My question to those who are more familiar is whether we're signing potential here or a top level centre back who is going to walk straight into the team alongside van Dijk?

I don't believe Konate is a full international yet is he? I know he's only 22 but if he is really good already I'd expect him to be in or around the France squad already.

And he was on the bench when we played Leipzig in the Champions League. Was that because he was coming back from injury, or is he actually their third choice centre half?

If he comes good, then this signing could become a bargain over the next ten years. But for the sort of money involved, I think I'd be more comfortable if he was a couple of years older and already established as a full international.

RR

1.) 25 May 2021 12:28:04
Ibrahima Konate:

Defensively he is good, very good in the air and has a bit of aggression about him. His tackling can sometimes be a bit wild and erratic, but he’s young and this is something that can be coached out of him. Positionally he’s sound, he reads the game well and in moments when he doesn’t his recovery pace and strength is a massive asset.

His actually footballing ability is very good, he’s capable of bribing the ball out of the back to start attacks and is more than capable of passing it comfortably to players in better positions or to players looking to break at pace. He has a tendency to look off balance (similar to sakho) but he’s very assured on the ball.

I think as long as his injuries don’t hinder his development we’ll have a quality CB joining us that can go on to develop into one of the top top CB’s in the coming years.


2.) 25 May 2021 12:29:25
He was coming back from injury against us and i wouldn't worry about the French Cap, Laporte never got a game for them and he is ok lol, should be a class signing if he stays fit.


3.) 25 May 2021 12:31:18
I've read he was rated as a better player than Upamecano. Apparently the only reason he's being sold for less is because of his injury record (only 8 league starts last season) . He looks good on the ball, very quick, strong in the air etc. I've only seen highlights so not sure what he's like in terms of positional awareness. He does look naturally better suited to us than Matip or Phillips. He'll definitely give Gomez a problem holding onto his starting berth. He can also play right back too.

He has been fit since about February now so maybe he's over his problems. Fingers crossed any underlying issues will be identified in the medical and we'll pull the plug if it's not worth the financial risk.

{Ed002's Note - They don't want to sell him but he has been tapped up and has a termination clause that could see him force a move - and RBL know that. He has also lied which has upset their sporting director.}


4.) 25 May 2021 12:33:28
Good summary from Moreton so I won’t repeat. I will add, however, that not being capped by France at CB doesn’t necessarily mean a thing. Take Laporte as an example. So I wouldn’t take that as a negative against the lad.


5.) 25 May 2021 12:35:07
if you haven't caught on yet, our signings are typically brought in based on the skills and characteristics they bring to the club and what they are about to bring to the pitch, not so much what they have already achieved in the game.


6.) 25 May 2021 12:38:37
I don't think you can judge how good a player actually is based on whether or not they make the France squad. For instance, Aymeric Laporte is a top, top player who's leagues ahead of Umtiti or Lenglet but for some reason has been completely overlooked, and will now turn out for Spain at the Euros.


7.) 25 May 2021 13:23:30
Great read, Moreton_Red. I fully agree with you having watched him several ties in the past. Hopefully, he pans out cos his ability and potential overall, is off the charts, IMO.


8.) 25 May 2021 13:37:52
Sigh! Not for me at the price being quoted. he hasn't played enough for two seasons straight and that doesn't inspire confidence.
Ability shability quality shaquality means poo if he can't be relied to stay fit for 50+ games.

Also klopps system will run him to the bones and that might not help him initially. Will take atleast two years to really shine so i think this signing is more about rebuild and times after vvd.


9.) 25 May 2021 13:40:26
Thanks, everyone. Seems to be a consensus that he is a very good player who could become outstanding. Assuming the reports are reliable - and on the assumption that van Dijk comes back just as good as before - that's pretty exciting to look ahead to those two playing together.


10.) 25 May 2021 13:46:34
I'm starting to think more and more that Akira is the latest Harry Regen.


11.) 25 May 2021 13:50:15
His ability and potential are, as OliRed put it, off the charts. He really is imperious when he’s fit and firing, made all the more impressive by how young he is. Haven’t seen him play much but every time he has he caught my eye. Has that same aura that van Dijk does whereby even though he’s a defender and you’d rather not notice him too much, he sticks out like a sore thumb because he is so dominant. That is something that Gomez does not do as of yet, as while he is a very good centre back, he doesn’t have the assertiveness to really go out and dominate the opposition just yet, but Konate already does even at his young age. Go and watch a few highlight reels (granted they are almost completely useless in judging a defenders positioning and timing mind you) and what immediately sticks out is just how frightening his physical prowess can be. When he moves its like someones got hold of a player on Fifa and bumped all the physical stats up.

I wouldn’t worry too much about his lack of game time as there’s plenty of explanations for it. He’s still so young and such injuries can happen to young players, he still has plenty of time to develop. Leipzig have had to find new solutions while he has been out and obviously haven’t felt the need to throw him back in every single game, particularly as they have a wealth of options to choose from and play a variety of different systems with 3 and 4 at the back which they change mid game quite often.

I can’t remember where this was quoted but i remember seeing that the Leipzig staff are very confident that he will turn into one of the best centre backs in the world. It’s less of a case that we should be worrying about his lack of game time etc and more that we are lucky that circumstances have led us to a position where he is quite easily attainable. I just can’t see us conceding many goals with a fit van Dijk and Konate at the back!


12.) 25 May 2021 13:59:06
Akira, I am sure you know this BUT that would make sense if Konate was a forward or a midfielder in a Klopp system. He is a CB and we all know that CB's don't really have to do the same amount of running as a forward or midfielder doe BT whatever, man.


13.) 25 May 2021 15:22:59
AW and you know the fascinating thing about it, even VVD was nowhere near Konate's ability at 21. In fact at the time, people did not think VVD would even make it as a footballer so he is already miles ahead of VVD at the same age which is crazy on its own.

Now does that automatically mean he will turn out like VVD did? Absolutely not. Is it a mouthwatering prospect for Konate? You better believe it. I think the whole injury thing is overblown really. I am sure we have done our due diligence and I am sure we have a plan for him cos in the end, he is just a kid at 21 and needs time to develop himself physically.


14.) 25 May 2021 16:34:38
I seem to remember a young Steve Gerrard went through a phase of regular injuries. He turned out OK.


 

 

24 May 2021 10:23:50
I'm not jumping on the bandwagon or getting sentimental because he's leaving; this is the same view I've held all along. I just don't get the negativity about Wijnaldum. Sure, he's had some underwhelming performances this season, but that was as part of a team that, at the time, was struggling pretty much from 1 to 11.

I kind of understand why people look at Wijnaldum and can't see his positive influence standing out like it does for, say, Salah or Fabinho. As a midfielder, he doesn't really fit into any of the traditional categories. Regular goal scorer - no (not for Liverpool anyway, although he's scored a few important ones), defensive/ holding midfielder - not really. Box to box, lung busting runs for 90 minutes - no. Midfield general - no. He's just one of those under-the-radar type of players that glues a team together.

I think the best way to sum it up is like this: we all rate Klopp as one of the best managers we've had. We trust him on almost everything. If Klopp has seen Wijnaldum as one of his most trusted players who he has selected more than any player other than Firmino and Milner, that has to tell us something. The fact that Wijnaldum's time at the club coincided with the most successful period we'd had in over thirty years surely tells us something as well. I don't believe that you can go to two Champions League finals in two years, winning one of them, and clock up 90 - 100 points in the league two seasons running, winning it once, if you have any passengers in your first XI, or any players not making a contribution. The implication from some peoples comments on Wijnaldum is that, a lot of the time, he has been a passenger. I've also seen it suggested that he only performed when he was after a new contract. I think that's crazy and insulting and is effectively saying that we achieved everything we've done in the last few years with only ten players pulling their weight. Really?

RR

1.) 24 May 2021 11:25:30
No. We achieved everything we did in the last few years when Gini could be bothered. When he couldn’t be bothered the team tanked and couldn’t buy a result for love nor money. He was the single biggest reason we were so bad in the period from Christmas to March. All of this happened immediately after it became obvious he wasn’t getting a new contract.

This debate is getting so boring now, i really don’t see the need to keep going over it. He isn’t even a Liverpool player anymore (well, after the end of this month technically) and if he was that special they surely would have given him what he wanted.

The club can now find a replacement and move on. The invention of arguments nobody has ever made being used as a means to make ‘Wijnaldum detractors’ look stupid is getting really tiresome.


2.) 24 May 2021 11:27:42
Agree with that RR. I’ve backed Gini this season I really didn’t see what Ed1 or a lot of posters were seeing. It seemed like Thiago got a pass from a lot of people because he’s playing in a weakened midfield with a much weakened defence yet Gini bore the brunt of everyone’s anger. Largely in my opinion because they knew he was leaving so wanted to have a go at him. It’s always easier to dig out the player that’s leaving as then you can kid yourself that we’ll be better without him. We won’t.
As midfielders go he’s pretty unique. There’s only one other midfielder I can think of that can keep the ball under pressure in any situation like Gini can and that was Moussa Dembele at Spurs. They have never managed to replace him let’s hope we don’t have the same difficulty replacing Gini.
Whatever happens though I thank Gini for the memories and wish him all the best for the future.

{Ed001's Note - it has nothing to do with him leaving and everything to do with the way he played well within himself. I think the difference is I have watched him since he was a teenager and he was better then than he ever played for us.}


3.) 24 May 2021 11:40:58
That's right RR, several posters on here have accused Wijnaldum of downing tools and giving up this season. They also claim he hides behind other other players and only plays well a few times a season.
Someone posted a long reply on Saturday about why Wijnaldum is so useless, when several posters, myself included defended Wijnaldum.

Of course not 1 Wijnaldum detractor can offer an explanation why Klopp has picked him nearly every game for 4 seasons. Klopp has continued to select him even in this season when he has apparently stopped making an effort.
There is absolutely no chance Klopp would ever pick a player who displayed ill discipline and a complete disregard for his own team mates by not trying.
This nonsense about Gini is an insult to both player and manager. Thankfully, judging by the scenes after Sundays game, Gini team mates and manager appreciate him far more than some posters here.

{Ed001's Note - no they like him as a person, which everyone does as he is a genuinely nice guy. That's what gets those kind of scenes when it is a friend leaving, not a colleague, no matter how great.}


4.) 24 May 2021 12:32:08
Two slightly different elements to this I think. One is the question of whether Wijnaldum has been good for us generally during his time here. I think there has been negativity about Wijnaldum for a lot longer than just the last six months.

The other element is the question of whether he's "downed tools" since he knew he was leaving. Who knows, maybe without even knowing about it his performance levels have been affected, maybe that's just human nature, but I think the suggestion of willful lack of effort or commitment is just crazy.

Anonymous Woolback - I just can't agree with that. You're effectively saying that we had all of that glory because Wijnaldum was playing well, and then we had that terrible 14 match streak mid-season because Wijnaldum wasn't playing well? i. e. we're a one man team and Wijnaldum is so good and so important for us that we win the league and Champions League because he's on his game and we lose six on the bounce at home because he's not on his game? Come on.

And if this debate is so boring to you, maybe don't participate in it. just a thought.


5.) 24 May 2021 12:40:42
Greenflash why has klopp tried to sell him for the last 2 year then. His performances have dropped and it’s clear to see.


6.) 24 May 2021 13:36:04
I don’t think i’ve seen anybody other than Ed001 try and argue that he maybe hasn’t been a good player for us. Almost everyone, including myself, has upheld the belief that he has been a good player for Liverpool. What people take issue with is the total absence of effort or caring since Christmas, at a time in which the team needed him to step up and take charge more than ever.

Nobody has claimed he is ‘useless’, and nobody has argued he didn’t deserve a good send off. I can provide a good explanation to why Klopp has picked him for 4 seasons, it is that he is a decent player and nobody has ever argued otherwise. It is incessant Wijnaldum drum banging posters such as yourselves who can’t provide a well balanced response to anybody else beyond ‘you all clearly hate him and Klopp picks him every game so you must be wrong’. Klopp has tried to replace him 3 times, hasn’t moved mountains to keep him and hasn’t had the luxury of destabilising the team any further due to injuries, as Klopp has already referenced when talking about Ox. I’m still waiting for a genuine response or counter point to the criticisms of how he had actually been playing, all I see instead are falsehoods and invalid responses to arguments that haven’t been made.

Some of you clearly just can’t be bothered to read the posts and once again are putting forward responses to criticisms and claims that aren’t even being made. I’m starting to think you guys are on the wind up. It is bordering on cretinous, i don’t think i’ve ever seen a player been defended so passionately for any reason, never mind one who hasn’t tried in about five months.

It is boring, it is tiresome, and it is now irrelevant. He has left. If we aren’t allowed to talk about any other topics without this constantly being brought up, without people being accused of literally abusing a player just because they took issue with his recent lack of effort, then can the Wijnaldum fanboys please sod off to the page of whatever team it is he happens to move to next, and support them instead.


7.) 24 May 2021 14:44:15
Meanwhile your response is that Gini was the single main reason for our demise since Jan-March, which is quite laughable really. Was it Gini missing all the chances or at fault for all the goals? I think not. Even during that time there were options to replace him if he wasn't bothered about putting a shift in but guess what Klopp STILL played him.
Gini was playing in a team from front to back that didn't play well during that time (maybe Salah excluded) . I've seen nearly every player criticised for there performances during that time from Allison to Bobby.
Also with respect you have replied twice to this thread so 100% more than most, so you are contributing to this "tiresome" thread. If you don't want to join in the debate then don't. that's your choice but not yours to decide for everyone else! Do you ever talk about Saurez, Coutinho, The King and any other ex player?


8.) 24 May 2021 14:44:56
He’s a player that plays almost every game, every season and your criticism is that he has lacked effort since Christmas, in a C.V. season where games are frequent. Maybe Wijnaldum is just knackered, Robertson’s form tailed off the second half of the season as did lots of players. These guys are human beings not machines. I’ve never seen Wijnaldum give less than 100%.


9.) 24 May 2021 14:52:08
A lot of players haven’t had a good season AW.
Some for personal reasons obviously.
Don’t forget that Wijnaldum is having to uproot his family and home and move on when he maybe didn’t want to. That’s very unsettling, especially if it causing issues at home.
Moving home is one of the most stressful things out there, I know these guys have people that help them with that but it would still do anyone’s head in.


10.) 24 May 2021 15:23:06
He’s been a good player, not a great one by any means though.
But you only have to watch back on a few games this season and don’t watch the game, watch Gini, watch how little effort he puts in, watch him actively hide behind opponents so the pass isn’t on, watch the press fail because of him, watch him hold onto the ball with his head down when a pass is on, watch him play it safe over and over, watch him never make runs into the box, never go for headers etc.
I wish him the best but we won’t miss him next season. We missed him this season, the Gini that was always putting in a shift and was reliable. That Gini wasn’t here this season.


11.) 24 May 2021 16:13:49
Gini will be remembered as part of the team that brought us no19. Could he have done a bit more? Yes. But. His ability to keep possession was remarkable, he didn't make mistakes and his lung bursting runs forward in the last 10 mins of games to take the pressure off suggest he was a good player for us. A lot of people will talk about the 2 goals vs Barcelona but I thought he was really good when thrust into the false9 role at the Camp Nou in the first leg. He was also excellent in the away leg at City when he had to play as a no6, with Henderson out. And let's not forget he played really well as a third centre-back in one game - I think it was in a 5-1 win at Brighton. Finally he was a mainstay in the first XI ahead of Milner, Ox, Naby and Lallana- another sign of a player Klopp trusted. We wish him well and hope he comes back to visit as a former hero.


12.) 24 May 2021 16:22:02
I wish Gini all the best, he’s given us some good years, this season has seen a drop off, but that’s in context of largely being asked to do things in midfield that maybe he’s not good at, like being a holding midfielder while either Henderson or Fabinho have been covering at CB, I think there may have been an element of playing within himself to prevent injury, but I guess that is understandable. I do think that there wasn’t a tremendous amount of other midfield options available to Klopp, and secondly he still put in better performances than Naby Keita even if he was playing within himself. Maybe if Klopp had gone with Phillips and Williams earlier his performances might have been better with Fab or Hendo in midfield alongside him? Who knows? It’s too late to speculate on that and pretty irrelevant as the season is over, Gini has left and we’ve at least salvaged the champions league. All in all he’s repaid his transfer fee with interest as four trophies will confirm.


13.) 24 May 2021 16:31:10
Gini was annoying in that he very seldom took on responsibility or took hold of a match, too often he left it to Hendo or Firmino to make things happen. At 0-0 yesterday there was a cracking chance for him to have a shot from 20yrds but he played it safe across to Mane instead and the chance was gone. That summed him up.


14.) 24 May 2021 16:48:38
If Klopp thought he was good enough for us and played him ahead of others that is good enough for me.
If Klopp wants to try another option for the future then I trust him in his judgement.
I'll miss Gini and he was part of many happy memories for this team.


15.) 24 May 2021 16:56:54
AW, I am certainly no Wijnaldum fan boy, but you need some perspective. You now allege that Wijnaldum is the single biggest reason that the whole team tanked in the period from christmas to March.
Losing all our central defence, then our midfield seriously impacted by having to plug gaps in defence, and our strikers unable to convert numerous chances, not to mention the whole team has looked completely knackered, but all those reasons are secondary to Wijnaldum making no effort since Xmas.
You may not have called Wijnaldum 'useless' but that is clearly what you implied by saying he could'nt be bothered since xmas.
Your suggestion that Klopp only kept picking him as he did not want to destabilise the team further is plain wrong.
Klopp would never continue to select a player who stopped making an effort for the team, as that is a serious breach of discipline, furthermore there were options for Liverpool, even if it meant picking from the youth. I am certain every fan would prefer to see a less talented kid trying his best than a professional who could'nt be bothered.


16.) 24 May 2021 17:09:50
After reading all the negative comments regarding Gini, I have to ask myself, who do I trust the most, posters on here, Ed 1 or Klopp who picked him almost every game. No contest.


17.) 24 May 2021 17:34:10
Ed1 you can’t compare the Gini of 10 years ago to the Gini of today. He was a number 10 and a winger but Klopp turned him into a controlling midfield player who has been integral to the way our midfield works.
Is he exciting to watch? Probably not but I always laugh when people talk about a lack of creativity in our midfield. It shows a total lack of knowledge of our system and how it works. We need people like Gini. His ball retention is exceptional which allows the full backs to bomb on knowing it’s unlikely he will lose the ball and the space they leave be exploited.
Him, Hendo and Fabinho made a perfect engine room for the way we play with their anticipation and ball retention. It’s the reason we’ve struggled every time we’ve tried to put a creative midfielder in there. They play more risky passes or movements which leaves us exposed when the full backs go forward. It’s also why Thiago has struggled and Jones finds it difficult. You could add Keita to that too.
Since Hendo and Fabs have been either injured or in the back 4 Gini has struggled as he’s the only midfielder who can play the way we play. It’s a difficult job and he’s done it very well.


18.) 24 May 2021 18:18:04
Let us look forward. Gini has gone, Keita (hopefully) will be going, so will Origi.
I would like to see Minamino, Gujic, Shaqiri and Oblak staying.
Back up is needed. Injuries happen.

So. Who replaces Wijnaldum?

Another central defender, midfielder and striker are needed.

I know it is expensive but a big squad these days is essential.
Otherwise February when injuries take their toll. Will be difficult, as it was this year.

That is the game today.


19.) 24 May 2021 19:49:58
I was grateful for his contribution in the games that mattered but nobody can deny he went missing a lot, even in games we won he developed a habit of going backwards too much, cracking lad, sound footballer, but a loss? Im not sure he is but I suppose we'll see, there's no point playing superfan about it though, this is an opinions and rumours page after all, if someone rates him fine, if someone hates him also fine, it doesn't make anyone superior as a fan, its just opinions,
Also just a side note, nobody REALLY knows what went off behind closed doors regarding his contract, to me i thought he downed tools a bit but got better later on in the season, but the same comment could be levelled at a few throughout the season too.
Its done now, we got CL, we move on and let's see what sort of transfer window we get.
YNWA.


 

 

20 May 2021 11:24:16
I'm glad Phillips got a goal last night and also glad that he'll get to play in front of 10,000 on Sunday. It's unlucky for him that when he finally got his chance, he's missed out on the experience of playing in a packed Anfield. If he does move on, then he'll do some with the memory of 10,000 chanting his name.

Personally I'd keep Phillips, if he wants to stay on, but let him go and wish him well if he feels that now is the best chance he'll ever have to go and become a regular starter elsewhere. If he stays, I don't see him becoming one of our first choice pairing - although I do agree with others who say that if he played alongside van Dijk every week we might seem him go up a level - but I think he could certainly be at least as good, probably better, for us as Lovren was as fourth choice for the couple of years before he left. You have to be realistic about how good your fourth choice centre half is going to be.

Williams is the one I would probably look to sell. Some might argue that he's younger and should have more time to develop - and to be fair he has been part of the team who have got us to Sunday's "final", but I think he lacks too many of the fundamentals. Even if a player is raw and inexperienced, you would expect that by 20 years old they would have solid fundamentals if they're going to be a top player. On that basis, I think it's unlikely he'll ever be a top level centre half and it's likely that his transfer value will only decrease from this point onwards. I'm not suggesting we'd get a lot of money for him but Edwards can probably talk someone into paying a few million for a young centre back who has played almost twenty times this season in a team that (hopefully) finishes top four and went to the quarter final of the Champions League.

RR

1.) 20 May 2021 11:44:58
It’s been great watching him develop. He’s certainly good enough to be our 4th choice CB, but he’s also good enough to be a starter in another prem team. So whatever he decides to do he’s certainly earned it. Fair play to him and the coaching staff at LFC.


2.) 20 May 2021 11:44:18
Couldn't agree more.

With Rhys I think it's the case of sell or loan him out.

As for Nat you hold talks and see what he wants with his career. Is he happy being 4th or 5th choice? I doubt it.


3.) 20 May 2021 12:05:52
He really has done a great job and allowing us to put fabs back in the middle has given us that balance we were lacking. Thiago looks world class again playing in his proper position like ED001 eluded to all along. Wish Klopp had done it sooner but it's still in our hands.

I hope Philips gets to choose his future, he's earned the right to stay or continue elsewhere.


4.) 20 May 2021 12:24:06
What Premier league side would Nat start in though. Not slating, just even the bottom sides have good defenders.


5.) 20 May 2021 12:31:13
Philips can comfortably be 3rd choice, never let us down yet.


6.) 20 May 2021 13:08:04
I think he would probably start in a mid to lower placed prem team, if he’s good enough to have a huge part to play in dragging us into the top 4 and plugging the huge leak at the back then he’s good enough for a mid to lower placed team.


7.) 20 May 2021 13:31:48
I think Nat Phillips could be a starter at clubs like Newcastle, West Ham, Crystal Palace, Southampton.


8.) 20 May 2021 14:07:48
Jadon, Phillips is at least as good a defender than either of troglodytes who started for Burnley last night and at least as good as someone like Michael Keane over at Everton.


9.) 20 May 2021 18:20:16
He's not as good as any of them three and people want him at L'pool. All that will happen is he'll be forever on the bench or worse at home watching the team play on the tele. He seems a decent bloke so he's better off getting game time somewhere else.


 

 

19 May 2021 09:09:42
It's great that it's still in our hands - I think we'd have all taken this position a few weeks ago.

However, I thought the result last night was probably the worst possible outcome of the many possible permutations from that match. The Chelsea win allowed them to pull away from us slightly but because it was only by a one goal margin, the damage to Leicester's goal difference was not significant and means they are only one goal less than us on GD. My preference was for a Leicester win, so that even a draw at Burnley tonight would have taken us into fourth. Probably then a draw next. If it had to be a Chelsea win, I'd have preferred a heavy defeat for Leicester so that, if we finish level on points with Leicester (which we will if we win our last two and they win their final match), we'd be a bit more comfortable on GD than the one goal advantage that we have at the moment.

Regardless, if we win both of our remaining matches, then our GD improves to at least 23, which means Leicester would need to beat Spurs at least 3-0.

It could be a very tight final day, but we need to get over the not insignificant hurdle of Burnley away first.

RR

1.) 19 May 2021 10:44:24
RR, we win both our games, job done and you have touched on that. It is still in our hands as you say so nothing else will matter IF we take care of our own business. Permutations won't mean anything in this regard.


2.) 19 May 2021 11:16:08
That's true Oli and is the way we have to look at it, with the very small risk that we win both of our matches by just a one goal margin and Leicester then beat Spurs by three goals (which I think would see us level with Leicester on points and GD, but Leicester finishing above us on goals scored) .


3.) 19 May 2021 11:56:21
It's not in our own hands. We've no control over how Leicester improve their goal difference.
Last night's result means that it's not in our hands but I was more confident of Leicester dropping out of the four than I was Chelsea, so it's not too bad, imo. We could even draw one of our games and still get top four.
I think Spurs are going to get at least a point at Leicester.
After the game, Brenda was even talking about about them missing out.
You don't do that! What does it say to the players?


4.) 19 May 2021 13:12:52
Rigsby, it is in our hands as we can also improve our goal difference.

but if we only beat Burnley and Palace by 1, Leicester need to score 4 against Spurs to have a better GD. As if we have the same it goes to head to head which we win on goals scored.

But if Leicester need to win their final game they will play right into spurs hands who will hit them on the counter imo.

But one game at a time and we have to get it done against Burnley tonight. Which won't be easy when they have fans in.


5.) 19 May 2021 13:45:48
I disagree, WYred.
It being in our own hands means we know what we have to do. And we don't. Winning our last two games and considerably improving our goal difference doesn't guarantee us anything.
It's highly likely that it would be enough but it's not guaranteed.
We need to win.


6.) 19 May 2021 13:51:02
We just need to win, forget goal difference and keep the pressure on Leicester.
I still think Spurs will get something at Leicester but if we do our job, it's Leicester relying on goal difference.
Winning is hard enough without having to win by so many goals.


7.) 19 May 2021 14:29:24
It’s completely in our hands Rigsby. As much as we have to look at Leicester’s goal difference if we win by 3 or 4 tonight then any kind of win on Sunday gets us there. Although not impossible it’s very, very, very unlikely Leicester will do Spurs by more than 2 goals yet alone 5 or 6!
I’d much rather be in our position than theirs but we have to win those games.

{Ed0666's Note - the only issue I have with the spurs game is Harry Kane will be going for the golden boot and will be shooting from everywhere and passing to no one so hopefully that isnt a thing as that could harm us


8.) 19 May 2021 18:36:52
He might put two or three in ed. Which would work in our favor.
salah were to chose the boot or CL and he choose CL i believe.

It wouldn't hurt if kane lead an all out attack from Tottenham on leicester.

{Ed0666's Note - 3 golden boots in 4 years or champions league qualification?? That’s a tough decision


 

 

 

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25 Mar 2021 15:38:51
And despite all of that, 6Times, he still has 19 goals so far this season, will probably finish with mid 20s goals and is on track to win the La Liga title with Atletico Madrid this season.

You are using the example or benchmark of scoring 20 goals a season to lead to your conclusion that he is only fit for the knackers yard, when he needs one more goal this season to literally be a 20 goals a season striker this season (having also done the same in eight of the previous nine seasons) . Clearly, at this stage of his career, he's not one for the future but it's ridiculous to say a player with his current and recent record this season is washed up and only fit for the knackers yard.

But, just to say it again, I personally wouldn't want him back at Liverpool, we took some reputational and credibility damage last time he was here, and I expect that there is no substance to this rumour anyway, but I don't see how he can be described as past it, over the hill, washed up or similar when he's already scored 19 league goals this season, is second top scorer in La Liga and top scorer for the team who are top of the league.

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25 Mar 2021 13:31:08
Completely get why people wouldn’t want Suarez back at the club. Plenty of reasons; take your pick.

But don’t confuse that with the quality of the footballer. Anybody describing him as washed up and past it probably needs to take a closer look at La Liga. Suarez, despite being 34, despite having had some injury problems, despite being slower than he was, has 19 league goals this season with ten matches still to play. He is second only behind Messi this season, and has spearheaded Atletico Madrid to the top of the table. I read an article about him which, whilst acknowledging that he didn’t have the pace or mobility of a few years ago, talked about how he still dictates matches, still puts the fear of god into opponents and, most tangibly, still scores goals. It described one particular goal where, because there was no crowd noise, Suarez could be heard almost verbally commanding and orchestrating a goal through each phase of the move.

The fact that he is still doing all that despite his age and despite some injury problems tells you exactly how good a player we’re talking about. I can’t recall seeing many other players like him. He was a force of nature for us. Very talented yes, right up there, but it was the combination of that ability with his ferocious desire, effort, commitment and work rate that made him what he was. Check out a YouTube highlights package from when we beat Tottenham 5-0 in December 2013. Suarez was sensational but what I always remember was how he celebrated when Jon Flanagan scored that belter. Suarez rolled around on the floor celebrating with Flanagan, face beaming in ecstasy. No ego, no wanting to score all the goals himself, just desperate to play and win. An absolutely brilliant player at his peak. One of the very best we’ve ever had. And now, even at 34 and some way off his peak, still better than most.

A player of that profile could be a decent option. I don’t think there is any suggestion that it would be as a replacement for Salah, Mane or anybody else, but as a back up option who could regularly come off the bench or step in to play when other strikers were injured, it would be a great option for a year or two. Look at what Ibrahimovich did at Utd at a similar stage of his career. Downside would be potentially getting in the way of someone like Elliott coming through.

Anyway, I personally wouldn’t want to see Suarez back at Liverpool. Despite all the great things he did on the pitch, he let us down too badly and I don’t want anybody anywhere near our club who uses any form of racist language. But I do think it’s strange to call him washed up, past it or similar given what he’s been doing this season.

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19 Mar 2021 09:07:38
Genuine question: what club in their right mind is going to pay a transfer fee, or any significant level of salary, for Matip right now? We would be looking for someone willing to buy him before he's played a match in his return after his latest long-term injury, and willing to ignore that he has barely been able to put two consecutive matches together for the last two years, and has had multiple long term injuries and shorter term niggles.

Nothing against Matip, I really like him as a player and think he's a very good centre-half when he's free of injury but I don't understand why anybody would factor him into the consideration when talking about player sales and raising funds for new signings. Sadly I think it's one of those cases where he stays with us for the remainder of his contract and we take the view that if we ever get a long period where he's free of injuries, it's a bonus. And if he does ever get over the injury problems, we probably wouldn't want to sell him anyway because he'd be one of our best defenders.

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23 Nov 2020 12:31:08
I agree with The Juicer. I think Wijnaldum is a player who could continue at almost the same level well into his mid-thirties. He doesn't have any history of serious injuries, as far as I'm aware, clearly takes good care of himself physically and is a very versatile and adaptable player who can fulfil various roles in midfield.

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31 May 2018 09:25:15
Assuming we have the money to spend, I think we need to forget about the fact it's a goalkeeper and that it would be way over the current record fee for a goalkeeper. It's simple - if our big problem was scoring goals and a top striker became available for £70m and we signed him and he scored the goals that made a difference, won matches that would otherwise have been drawn or lost and, therefore, gave us more points and better chances of winning trophies, we'd all be happy with that. So I don't see it as being any different with a keeper.

If we sign a keeper who makes saves that most other keepers don't make as well as making fewer errors that lead to goals, then we'll have more points, win more matches and have a better chance of winning trophies. Look at de Gea. The points he saves and earns for United probably outweigh the points won by Lukaku at the other end of the pitch. If we had de Gea at our club this last season, we'd probably have finished two places higher in the league and might have won the European Cup. So if there is a keeper available who can make that level of difference, and we've got the money, I'd be happy for us to pay whatever it takes.

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25 May 2021 13:40:26
Thanks, everyone. Seems to be a consensus that he is a very good player who could become outstanding. Assuming the reports are reliable - and on the assumption that van Dijk comes back just as good as before - that's pretty exciting to look ahead to those two playing together.

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24 May 2021 12:32:08
Two slightly different elements to this I think. One is the question of whether Wijnaldum has been good for us generally during his time here. I think there has been negativity about Wijnaldum for a lot longer than just the last six months.

The other element is the question of whether he's "downed tools" since he knew he was leaving. Who knows, maybe without even knowing about it his performance levels have been affected, maybe that's just human nature, but I think the suggestion of willful lack of effort or commitment is just crazy.

Anonymous Woolback - I just can't agree with that. You're effectively saying that we had all of that glory because Wijnaldum was playing well, and then we had that terrible 14 match streak mid-season because Wijnaldum wasn't playing well? i. e. we're a one man team and Wijnaldum is so good and so important for us that we win the league and Champions League because he's on his game and we lose six on the bounce at home because he's not on his game? Come on.

And if this debate is so boring to you, maybe don't participate in it. just a thought.

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20 May 2021 10:55:04
Early 80s (82-84 ish), Red with white pin stripe, Crown Paints sponsorship. I think that will always be my favourite.

Funny now to think that companies like Crown Paints were the shirt sponsors for the biggest club in the land.

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{Ed025's Note - i didnt know crown paints sponsored everton RR..


 

 

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20 May 2021 10:55:04
Early 80s (82-84 ish), Red with white pin stripe, Crown Paints sponsorship. I think that will always be my favourite.

Funny now to think that companies like Crown Paints were the shirt sponsors for the biggest club in the land.

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19 May 2021 13:58:29
This is why, despite preferring a Leicester win last night, once Chelsea were 2-0 up I hoped for a heavy defeat for Leicester to damage their GD. The narrow one goal margin last night means there is only one goal between us and Leicester on GD at the moment and they have scored more goals than us so would finish above us if points and GD were level. With that in mind, there is still a small risk that we could win our remaining two matches by just one goal margins, and Leicester could then beat Tottenham by a 3 goal margin and finish above us.

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