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04 Feb 2016 09:39:26
One of the biggest criticism of Rodgers was that he didn't have a plan B. My opinion of Klopps plan B is concede a few goals then bring on Benteke for the last 10 minutes. Where is the tactical maestro we were expecting.
{Ed001's Note - you really can't be this clueless. What is he meant to do with this team that was left him by Bodgers? At least he has come up with a Plan B, which is more than your hero ever managed with the same players. Are you really a Liverpool fan? Because not once have you shown a single bit of support for the club. All you do worship the failure that we sacked for being a failure, while bitching at the club you claim to support for not putting up with the failure.}
1.) 04 Feb 2016 10:00:49
There is no Plan B. Klopp is relying all his cards on Firmino to pull the rabbit out from the hat just like Brendan playing Sterling up the top. Klopp is no exception there. He has a striker at his disposal who by some means isn't delivering. Where is the motivation?
The players have remained the same as they were under Rodgers. And I don't rate Rodgers myself.
We are conceding goals pretty much at the same rate as we were under Rodgers.
{Ed001's Note - but there is a plan b, he brings on Benteke. Are you actually watching our games?}
2.) 04 Feb 2016 10:09:43
really plan B? nobody has a plan B. what do you expect? execute 5 plans in 90 minutes? Mr you are wrong the major criticism of Rodgers was his plan A was found out in the league and he wasnt ready to change that plan A and bring in a new plan. you can't expect plan B or C to bail yourself out when you have an already found out, non working, weak ass plan A. and in addition he used to defend it by excellent English words like character tenacity motivation death by football etc etc. and don't even get me started about the bunch of rubbish he signed at absolute gold prices that might haunt our club for a few years. can you at all fathom that we spent close too 200 million under Rodgers and yet still require a world class keeper, a leader in defense, a solid defensive Mid, at least one quality winger and a striker ( almost a new team)
3.) 04 Feb 2016 10:19:31
Brendan did throw Balotelli in search of something. Klopp is playing a dangerous game waiting for Sturridge to start delivering pretty much the case with Brendan who relied on individual ability than any kind of game plan.
What is the excuse of picking up the same players week in week out? This page would have eaten brendan alive had he picked Migs and Milner week in week out.
Who is picking Migs over Ward?
There are flaws and anyone who couldn't see are either delude or pretending themselves.
I completely agree with Ed02. This isn't German league. We play with the body than feet here in England. I hope he realises it quickly.
Not rant just an observation.
4.) 04 Feb 2016 10:23:22
Akshit
The player he bought all were welcomed by both arms on this page and not to mention they all had a fantastic season with their previous clubs.
5.) 04 Feb 2016 10:48:56
transition- i am not sure they were welcomed by all. many people had doubts about them you can dig into archives, Esp for the prices they were bought at. and what fantastic seasons? you buy players that suit your system, would thrive in it and most importantly deliver it it not because they had a fantastic season under some manager for some club. that is what is wrong with this club buying mediocre players because they had a fantastic season with previous club. and tbh what fantastic season did either of the players we signed had? none of their clubs won anything. they just had a regular season. all their previous clubs finished near about mid-table really! if with 200 million to spend you are buying midtable stuff you will end up in midtable and that is exactly where we are.
6.) 04 Feb 2016 11:25:40
Akshit
I agree and count myself in the small minority who were not peryiculary happy with some players. But then again took massive amount of abuse from usual supper posters on here of not backing the players. One reason Ed02 decided not give any honest opinion on the players as he too was targeted.
The biggest weapon to get rid of Rogers by the posters were exactly the same. We got a good enough top 4 squad and the manager is guilty on not getting the best out of them.
Adam had his as usual stats and facts about how good the players were and all was down to Manager not being good enough. ( check the archives you would find plenty. Allen picked up every game, No diamond formation, where is Lucas? Y not dumb Gerrard etc etc)
Everyone are running down the hill now finding new excuses to defend their opinion some 6 months ago.
If you don't believe me. Send a private mail to Ed02. He could bring you plenty of such post.
You might be very new to the site mate.
Brendan never had any system. A poor manager who relied heavily on Suarez and his goals. He bought player expecting some one to turn out be the next Suarez.
Klopp had the same issue at dortumand when he sold Lewandowski to Bayern and they slump down.
People now want the club to ship all the players and buy a whole new team in the summer.
Thanks for reading it Akshit.
7.) 04 Feb 2016 11:25:58
Transition.
How is he waiting on Sturridge. He has given him time to fully recover from his injury problems to give himself the best chance of playing a run of games. As with Coutinho, Skrtel, Lovren and Ibe who all had injuries. They made a full recovery before being introduced to the 1st team training again.
He is playing a dangerous game waiting for Sturridge. He has no other option. Behind Firmino doesn't work consistently. Benteke doesn't work or move enough for his style and Origi is just coming back into the fold and Ings is out for the season.
So what does he do?
8.) 04 Feb 2016 13:10:42
transition- no hate man, i understand now what you mean. its an awkward situation. earlier we didn't like the manager so well most of us turned a blank eye to how mediocre players we were signing. and now its similar with klopp only that he gets less hate because he is well a better coach. look we have to give it to klopp because this not his team and his record is proven albeit you could say he was declining with dortmund. but still Klopp is miles better a football man then rodgers. on coaching front they both haven't really solved our problems and that tells you that the players are just mediocre and for that there is only Rodgers to blame because he bought them to the club. Unless we signing top players for we aren't going anywhere.
9.) 04 Feb 2016 13:23:04
I love Klopp myself Akshit. I would run down the country if he get us the title. He brought back the belief which we lacked and it showed in the emopty stands of Anfield.
But he needs to be realestic. This club is huge and he needs to start delivering it faster. I am gutted we missed out on top 4 this season with chelsea cearly struggling and UTD dropping out.
The club would need a miracle to balance the books and avoid an FFP fine for the upcoming season.
10.) 04 Feb 2016 13:31:57
Give it a rest harry, there were plenty of people who were equally not happy with the players we have been signing. Quantity over quality every transfer window was not what was required and you can check my posts and see i am consistent on that. With regards to klopp, wth, are you seriosly comparing a few short months with mediocre players against a man who pissed away 200m on mediocre players.
The same courtesy of time that was given to rodgers should be given to klopp. So because we have not made a whirlwind start you and the other rodgers apologists come out the woodwork and all of a sudden klopp and no good and should be given his p45. Give it a rest man.
11.) 04 Feb 2016 16:07:42
Transition- mate, if your expecting immediate results under Klopp your living in dreamworld my friend. If immediate results were expected we would of spent in the window just gone. BR was given 3+ years and I would expect Klopp to be given the same, more if he manages trophies. Klopp is here for the long haul and it ain't going to be a quick fix. If you really think fans were happy with incomings over the last few years then you really weren't around any of the LFC boards. Lovren, Benteke, Allen all were questioned hugely. Firmino and Lallana all were queried about the prices we paid. Very few were happy but that's beside the point. The players are here now and they are playing for LFC so now we support, get behind and give Klopp and co the time they need to change things.
03 Feb 2016 21:37:30
The 8 games in the PL this season under Rodgers we got 12 points. The last 8 games in the PL under Klopp we got 10 points. Please explain how we have improved under him.
1.) 03 Feb 2016 22:04:21
This is a joke right? You clearly have little understanding of the job in hand and the time that it will take for the players to get their fitness levels up to then be able to play working Klopp's system.
2.) 03 Feb 2016 22:07:17
Cup final. Youth given a chance. Improvement from players who were not performing. Progression in Europe.
This guy has come in during a season where we were really really poor, looking like getting worse. Players wanting to leave and a manager who was just embarrasing us in every interview. These are not his players, this is not his squad, yet he has got them to a cup final. He has had a huge amount of important injuries to deal with and due to sucess a massive fixture list.
It's just shocking to think anyone is comparing Klopp to Rodgers. Just realise we are miles away from where you think LFC is. It stopped being the 70s-80s over 30 years ago. We've fallen far behind thanks to poor ownership (Moores) and new naive ownership. But we have a top top manager, lucky to have this caliber.
Our team may not have improved result wise, but the biggest decline is the support of some of our so called fans. What a shame.
3.) 03 Feb 2016 22:10:05
Well let's sack him then shall we?
8 games in 8 weeks.
8 games in 3.5 to 4 weeks.
Rodgers had three years and we didn't look like we are going anywhere.
Come back when Klopp has had three years. If we not improving then I'll be looking for answers. Not 8 games.
Plastic red since 64.
4.) 03 Feb 2016 22:15:18
There is no need for pessimism. We have a new manager who has new methods and it takes time to implement these. Believe it or not but having a preseason to work with a team makes a huge difference. Also these players aren't players Klopp has signed. Yes he could've spent stupid amounts in January on people who may not even make the cut, but it's better to rebuild in the summer. Also we've had a lot of injuries and under Rodgers we did get lucky on more than one occasion. For example, against Stoke on the first game of the season we did not deserve anything. Coutinho showed his magic and we got lucky. Give it time. There is no instant remedy. I do recall in 04/ 05 people calling for Rafas head at one time. We weren't doing well in the league, but look what he did for us with time.
5.) 03 Feb 2016 22:02:41
In terms of results, we haven't significantly improved.
I think you have to look outside of just the results to see other positives (many have been listed on this page recently, UTSF) . Klopp is an investment and I trust him to sort us out and have us back challenging for the top 4 by this time next year.
6.) 03 Feb 2016 22:05:01
To put it another way : results are the fruits of your labour. It's not a case of get a new manager and instantly improve results (unless your Chelsea 😀) . The changes Klopp will implement are not going to bare fruit immediately. He's also learning about the premier league.
This is a huge club with huge problems. It's like trying to turn a tanker round, it will be a wide turning circle before we are going back in the right direction. I believe the process has begun but I am prepared to be patient for the results.
{Ed002's Note - So you think he took the job under false pretenses?}
7.) 03 Feb 2016 22:11:17
Okay, I am not even going to mention about the manager/ managers as I already posted my thoughts about this before.
What I cannot understand, is this: Regardless of the management, you cannot 'write off' our league season and make excuses if we don't qualify for the champions league. Because it would be a failure of a season.
Also, if we fail to win a trophy and finish outside of top 4, this would be an absolute failure of a season.
If we win at least one cup and have a strong finish to the season. Even then, this will be below par.
It will be below par because at the start of the season our target was champions league qualification, and hopefully silverware.
I hope we win at Wembley this month, as the last time was when we had king Kenny as our manager. Silverware is fantastic for our team. And as we are still in two more cups after the league cup it should give us motivation to win even more trophies.
8.) 03 Feb 2016 22:26:07
We haven't improved. Infact we've stayed exactly the same because we've still got the worst squad we've ever had without even attempting to change anything in the window just gone ðŸ‘ðŸ¼.
9.) 03 Feb 2016 22:26:59
Another false equivalence that makes no sense except of course, one is trying to say that BR should not have been fired. Klopp is our manager and had done more in four months than BR did in three years with no input on the squad he had while BR had all the input for the pathetic results we know of and for which he was shown the door. I would ask you to judge him after three years but I won't hold my breathe on that. We are in the CC final, something BR could never do. If he wins a trophy this season with a squad he had no input in, I'm sure you'll come back with some pathetic stats to down play his achievement, just like BR's allies in the media are doing now.
10.) 03 Feb 2016 22:32:20
No.
In this moment, that is all.
11.) 03 Feb 2016 22:36:22
Could not agree more. You will get slated though.
12.) 03 Feb 2016 22:53:25
Don't really understand the "false pretences" question tbh.
13.) 03 Feb 2016 23:17:40
Max
How can you have improvement from players when PL results are worse?
14.) 03 Feb 2016 23:38:01
And on the balance of play, we should have had any of those 12 points under rodgers, but should have had many, many more than 10 under klopp in the past 8 games. Its not all in the stats, stop being so ignorant of the context.
15.) 03 Feb 2016 23:50:38
This thread is ridiculous.
{Ed002's Note - It's a blast - I love this stuff.}
16.) 04 Feb 2016 01:48:20
i am sure you can say the same thing about pochettino and Sherwood by quoting the timeline of matches that favour sherwood. but look at spurs now.
17.) 04 Feb 2016 02:36:07
I 100% agree with a. woolback.
Under Klopp you can at least see improvements. Rodgers had a full pre-season and a fit squad and the performances looked dire. 2 of the games we won (I think Bournemouth and Norwich) were won by poor decisions from linesmans and referees. Flukey wins. We've also had hurrendous injury lists to boot. I don't think he's had the greatest results tbf but I don't think the two stats are remotely comparable.
Redsince64 is your tongue permanently wedged up Rodgers ring piece or something? I swear nearly everything I read from you is a 'see I told you Rodgers is better' style post.
Rodgers is gone thank god. Why not move on.
18.) 04 Feb 2016 03:13:09
I see no reason to drag Rodgers (and his expensive mistakes and waste of time) into what is happening now with Liverpool. But I understand that you are a Rodgers fan; you have made that abundantly clear, Red since 64.
19.) 04 Feb 2016 08:37:46
Pointless arguments tbh, the man is here for three years at least so suck it up and enjoy the ride good or bad.
03 Feb 2016 21:23:58
Mail online are stating Rodgers as saying that when Klopp took over at Liverpool he went and had a chat with him at Rodgers house, asking things regarding the club. Seems as though Rodgers wasn't such a bad guy after all.
{Ed002's Note - Who are we going to blame for the weekend then?}
1.) 03 Feb 2016 21:42:22
Let's be honest here, Rodgers no doubt didn't want half the crap players we bought, like he said if the player you want isn't on the list you have to pick one.
Only really after the summer will we see if fsg buy the manager the quality he needs to climb the table.
2.) 03 Feb 2016 22:05:57
We won't blame anyone Ed, we will sit back and be patient 😎.
{Ed002's Note - Don't sit back - get up and scream. This is Berkeley in 1968 - you accept Vietnam or youn don't. But don't try and justify it. I am all for the fand to bleat and mon IF the put up a good rational argument. Not whining, not bitching - but have a stand point you can argue. The Liverpool supporters are getting better at this Ron and I will will try and get the discussion moving this way. Manchester United fans are syill in the damp patch. Arsenal fans are not but will be in denial. Chelsea fans sort of win because they don't care too much, Bernard (the Manchester City fan) wants the chance to talk to someone (prefer a girl but is getting more open in his viewpoint). Get out there and fight - but have something to vback it up with.}
3.) 03 Feb 2016 22:57:41
But I don't see the point in getting up and fighting. There is nothing to be gained by LFC fans apportioning blame, it's up to the coaching staff to find the reasons as they are the only ones who can change it.
Who do we blame for the financial mismanagement and poor recruitment that has led us to this set of results? The fans don't know enough about how the club is run and how decisions are reached to start protesting on social media/ forums.
I don't hold the current manager to account for our problems which stem back 25 years plus.
4.) 04 Feb 2016 00:48:02
We don't need to get up and fight. We have Facebook protest pages now ;)
5.) 04 Feb 2016 01:49:42
that's BR the sly corporate guy for you. When it comes to TC, he made it look the TC that skrew him. When it comes to Klopp, it appears he is the one who advise Klopp.
6.) 04 Feb 2016 07:49:23
I blame Jamie vardy for the weekend if I'm being totally honest ;)
7.) 04 Feb 2016 03:14:22
You are a dream Ed002 ;)
13 Jan 2016 16:31:18
Ed1,I know you are not a fan of Mignolet, but a big fan of Klopp so I was wondering what you make of the reported contract extension that Klopp has made to him.
{Ed001's Note - most clubs have 3 first team keepers, he is fine for a back up and allows Ward to develop.}
1.) 13 Jan 2016 17:06:48
Would he be happy to play backup Ed?
{Ed001's Note - dunno.}
2.) 13 Jan 2016 17:24:24
Liverpool would never have a back up keeper on £60/ 70 grand a week. Its pretty obvious to me that they see Mignolet as No1 for at least the short to medium term. Do i think Liverpool could do better than Migs? Certainly but it doesn't look like the powers that be think so.
3.) 13 Jan 2016 18:09:46
I was talking to my brother today and we can't remember Liverpool ever having a decent number two. I'm 40.
4.) 13 Jan 2016 18:29:27
Steve Ogrizovic 4 Yrs as Clemence understudy went on to play 507 games for Coventry.
{Ed002's Note - Ogrizovic has already made it clear he has no interest in joining Liverpool during January.}
5.) 13 Jan 2016 18:30:21
Wasn't Dudek and Reina on the books at the same time? Surely that counts pegleg?
6.) 13 Jan 2016 19:17:37
Chris Kirkland?
7.) 13 Jan 2016 19:29:20
Brad Friedel was a great back up. He was probably better than James at the time.
8.) 13 Jan 2016 21:58:50
Hooper always did a decent job when called upon. Granted we had a much better back four in those days.
09 Jan 2016 10:03:13
As I don't live in Liverpool I must admit I don't know as much as I would like to know regarding the youngsters at the club (if you can call 20 year olds youngsters ) . After reading a lot of posts on here I was really looking forward to watching them last night. Was I expecting too much, because I was disappointed with some I saw. The same old story as the first 11, they just can't get a decent cross in, with the exception of Smith. I thought Kent showed plenty of pace, but was much too selfish around the box ( not the only one. But as I said was I expecting too much or have they been built up to be better than they are.
1.) 09 Jan 2016 10:39:23
Did you see the pitch they played on?
Pressure of TV cameras. All neutrals hoping for a shock. Exeter right up for it.
You can't appraise them based purely on this game.
I thought they did well and will have gained a lot from that game.
2.) 09 Jan 2016 10:44:03
You're possibly expecting too much 64, it was boys against men. I was pretty happy with the performance (except for Bogdan)
3.) 09 Jan 2016 14:10:34
You were defo expecting too much from a team of academy kids who only trained once yesterday morning before the game. The media and the non LFC fans and haters had their knives sharpened and ready to rip us and especially Klopp, to bits and expected a right hiding but alas for the haters, it didn't happen and they all now have eggs on their faces. Pathetic, really. Exeter played vs an academy 11 and still could beat us. What does that say about them? Our boys were solid and showed great desire and fight not to get beat. If only Benteke showed the same desire, he might be on a goal tear right now.
03 Jan 2016 16:23:49
Seems he is a disruptive influence at Swansea, hence not being in the squad for 2 out of the last 3 games. And in the 1 game he was in the squad, he was on the bench and only came on for the last couple of minutes.
29 Dec 2015 14:20:50
Why does everyone assume that Allen will go back to Swansea. They are top heavy with midfield players themselves. They already have Shelvey, Cork, Sigurson Britton and a few youngsters, so I think they have other priorities than another midfielder. On another note, how many players leave their first club and then return to that club? Very few.
23 Dec 2015 18:43:52
I live in Swansea and all my mates follow the Swans, and none of them thinks Joe Allen is coming back to play here. Or at least they haven't heard anything not even rumours.
09 Jun 2015 10:38:28
When you say" some reports", where are these reports from. The Beano
27 May 2015 21:44:21
They saying that because Spurs bid £12 million that the tribunal price could be as high as £8-10 million
04 Feb 2016 13:40:19
You couldn't make it up. You say he is a good manager but now you are telling him how to pick the team.
04 Feb 2016 09:52:05
Ed, where in my post did I mention the name Rodgers, you need to get help mate, because you seem to read into posts something that's not there. Rodgers has left and you need to move on, I certainly have.
{Ed001's Note - no you have not, every single trolling post from you is comparing them. SO give it a rest and stop trying to be a marty. The only help I need is not having to put up with your snide posts day after day.}
04 Feb 2016 09:46:17
Kaizer, you say you would not be confident that Rodgers would have kept us in both cup What big team have we played and knocked out of either cup. We have had the easiest draw up to now in both cups that I can ever remember.
{Ed001's Note - yes but we were getting hiding off the likes of Stoke under Bodgers, unless it escaped your attention as your head was so far up his backside you probably couldn't see results.}
04 Feb 2016 09:31:22
Whatever was said obviously didn't work because we are points wise much worse off under Klopp that we were under Rodgers.
{Ed001's Note - how can you possibly make that comparison? It is another idiotic stat presented by morons trying to make Klopp look bad. At no point has Bodgers had the same situation that Klopp stepped into. So how can we be worse off? There is nothing to compare between the two. Would we have got better results under Bodgers, that is they only question, and we will never know the answer, but it is unlikely he could have come close to doing as well.}
04 Feb 2016 09:26:27
For all the ones on here calling for the youngsters to be given more game time to TEST what they can do
. Do you not realise the sort of pressure managers are under to win as many games as they can. The higher up the league they finish the more money for the club, Europa cup places up for grabs not to mention the managers reputation is at stake. So you can understand why managers find it difficult to try the youngsters when so much is at stake.
{Ed001's Note - yet Klopp has managed to do it, while your hero Bodgers failed miserably. Just shows who crumbles under pressure and who mans up and takes it. I am sure you will make more pathetic excuses for how Bodgers wasn't at fault, but he was and we are in this position because of him. A bunch of youngish players that we have no idea about because he was useless.}