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30 Sep 2021 11:57:56
Just a fun debate, purely theoretical. Ignoring what you think would happen in the real world.
If selling Salah for big money meant we bought both Mbappe and Haaland, would you be for or against it?
Imo its close, and that exemplifies just how good Salah is.
1.) 30 Sep 2021 12:24:04
I'd sell him, purely because ye'd be swapping a 29 year old for a 21 and 22 year old with great careers ahead of them. Saying that i hope Salah retires here.
2.) 30 Sep 2021 12:25:31
Of course mate. What’ve they got like almost 10 years on Salah? No matter how good Mo is, You’d be snatching their hand off for just One of them.
3.) 30 Sep 2021 12:32:08
No way, no way we should try selling Salah. Offer him contact and keep him until retirement. He is a club legend and icon and entered our all time top scores list. Why are people always trying to offload one of the best to ever put the Liverpool shirt on? I do not understand that. He is even getting better by the age, like a good old bottle of wine. Let him retire here.
For Mbappe I was a fan, and I was in hope he would sign. But by each day passing I would say no. His ego is not something I would like around our dressing room.
Haaland I have no personal view on his off the field type of person. On football aspect I would say yes.
But noone of those as a Salah replacement.
4.) 30 Sep 2021 13:07:30
What if he doesn’t sign a contract and wants to go and play for, say, Real Madrid? Would you try and keep him for the last year of him running his contract or sell him?
5.) 30 Sep 2021 13:25:27
Yes coz in just couple of yrs will need to replace him, so it's no brainer getting future ballon d'or winner in your team.
Klopp will snap your hands for that lol.
6.) 30 Sep 2021 13:45:56
The way i see it is this: if you sell Salah to buy Haaland or Mbappe, you’re selling arguably the best player in the world at the moment, a consistently lethal goalscorer year after year, for someone who you can only hope will reach the same level. If Salah looked to be on a downward trend then there would be an argument, but as it stands he only seems to be getting better year after year and looks set to continue this trajectory well into his mid thirties. Replacing him with Mbappe or Haaland would be a huge and unnecessary gamble. It isn’t Football Manager, where you can just flog your best player before they turn 30 and buy a bright prospect who you know is going to get better and better until they max out at some unassailable rating. Real football is not that simple, we’ve seen that with Sancho this season; hyped up as some kind of footballing god but, as it turns out, he is only human and the Bundesliga/ Ligue 1 are barely even comparable to the Premier League.
Salah stays, no matter what. Incredible player, professional and human being. A footballing icon, both for Liverpool supporters and globally. Absolutely no signs of him slowing down anytime soon, only seems to get better. The best player in the world right now. The talisman. Easy for me to say but i really do think it is a case of just pay him what he wants and work out the rest later. I can’t see any argument made to sell Salah holding water.
7.) 30 Sep 2021 14:07:00
It’s a no brainier! Of course we would swap. 2 for 1 player and the age difference it’s a steal.
8.) 30 Sep 2021 14:49:19
It is a different story if he doesn't want to sign. But trying to offload him on a daily basis is something I will never understand.
If he is to sign let him retire here. We have to respect everything he gave us and we have to give him what he wants now, of course if it manageable, but suggesting every second post to sell him is huge disrespect to the lad.
I will never understand why is he so underrated and underapriciated from fans.
9.) 30 Sep 2021 15:02:37
Although it's a football fan site, and we're discouraged from discussing the business or financial side of things, I wouldn't be able to decide without looking at the business side of things. And from that perspective, I wouldn't want to give up Salah for either Mbappe or Haaland. Salah is a proven goalscorer and will continue for at least another 3-5 years. This is based on past history with us of 5 years. Mbappe and Haaland are younger, and proven goalscorers too, although not with us. I learned my lesson with Keita, so past performance elsewhere is no longer guarantee of anything for me. But for argument's sake, let's say all 3 are at the same high level of goalscoring production. So the deciding factor becomes the business side. Over the next 5 years, I think Salah can be made happy at 400k per week, with no new purchase price to be paid. Whereas, Mbappe and Haaland will first have to be bought at over 100 million minimum, and then paid anywhere from 600k to 800k per week. So that's what I think.
10.) 30 Sep 2021 15:41:30
Sorry to be a bore but even if you sold Salah and bought Haaland and Mbappe with the Salah money I think the wage demands of them 2 new players would absolutely kill the club, there is no way we could sustain that level without making cutbacks elsewhere.
11.) 30 Sep 2021 15:41:53
Think Mbappe is Real Madrid bound and Harland will be too expensive a package with agents fees etc.
We should maybe look to get Bellingham then our midfield will be sorted out for now and for the next 5 years or more with Harvey and Curtis in there to supplement Hendo and Fabs.
12.) 30 Sep 2021 18:39:07
"Ignoring what you think would happen in the real world"
Yes, I would 100% sell Salah, purely based on age, no more.
13.) 30 Sep 2021 19:35:24
Salah is an anomaly. Wide forward producing the numbers he does. I think we should tie him down and keep him because I feel he could produce until 35/ 36. However, in a fantasy world I would swap for both Mbappe and Haaland based on age. Haaland I feel has the potential to reach Ronaldo/ Messi numbers, in terms of consistency over a decade. The boy has it all but that is potential and Salah is actually doing it as we speak.
14.) 30 Sep 2021 19:52:16
I don’t want to p. on anyones chips here, but even if we sold Salah, we’d still not be able to afford either if Mbappe or Haaland. They will never ever play for us.
15.) 30 Sep 2021 20:11:20
I know we say we believe Salah could still produce the goods at 35/ 36 but on the grand scheme of things that doesn’t really happen a lot. Off the top of my head I can only think of Messi and Ronaldo who are or have been in their mid 30’s and are still producing consistently at the top end. But even if we can name another 10 who have then that’s still probably 000.01% of professional footballers. Don’t get me wrong Salah looks like an absolute machine but we have no idea how his muscle, cells, cns etc are going to be in a few years.
I know we have Milner but he plays what 10-20 games a season. If we were to tie Salah to a 500k a week long term contract that’s a lot of wages to pay out for a bit part player.
16.) 30 Sep 2021 21:32:02
JK23, Salah might produce until 35/ 36 he might start a decline next season. It’s all a guessing game and unfortunately I or the rest of us don’t have a crystal ball. Same with saying Haaland might go on to match the scoring records of the likes of Ronaldo and Messi or he might peak and decline early on in his career, who knows. That’s why we have thoughts and opinions and with the future it’s all speculation at the end of the day.
17.) 30 Sep 2021 22:53:21
Might be on my own here but can i substiute Mbappe for Chiesa. i don't know what it is, and before anyone says - no its not because of the Euros - but i think Chiesa would be a better fit, if we were to lose Salah.
18.) 30 Sep 2021 23:35:38
Alonso mate isn't Haaland already producing Ronaldo or Messi stats despite being very young in he's career? Thought he had something like 43 goals in 46 matches? Tho.
19.) 01 Oct 2021 07:17:41
Alonso that was my exact same point mate ðŸ‘. Same with Klopp. We need to enjoy him and the players whilst we can because nothing lasts forever.
20.) 01 Oct 2021 12:40:25
I'd sell him as we clearly aren't going to pay him what he wants and we can't lose him on a free as we have with Can and Gini, which just didn't make any sense at all, we need the money he generates to bring in someone else, we have replaced Legends before and we will continue too, ideally he gets paid what he is clearly worth as he is a monster.
21.) 01 Oct 2021 19:35:25
Don’t know why it bothers me, but why does Lewandowski never get mentioned in these “top players†discussions. His goal scoring record is phenomenal in a good not great Bayern team. The mans incredible!
13 Sep 2021 13:39:49
That was a tough window, the Chelsea game made the last few days really hard. But we move on.
I don't for a second belive in this narrative that Chelsea and Man U are suddenly better than us. Yes they have improved, and in the right areas, but our first 11 is stronger than both. I know most of us know that, but its worth the reminder. I genuinely think only 3-4 players in their teams get into our first 11, Chelsea players being closer to our level but there is still a gap.
We all know we demand too much from a small group of elite players, and this has come to bite us in the last few years with injuries. I never wanted signings to match any other team, just to help the players we have and improve a bloated squad.
My main point is a realisation I had in the last week. Liverpool have more often than not had a tough period after the new year, the lack of signings and injuries always catches up to us mid season. We were strong enough last year until Christmas, I was confident we would win the league at that time. But our injury list got ridiculous, Jota being a massive loss.
I know we were forced, but getting Kabak albeit really late is the reason we made Top 4. My optimistic opinion is we should have enough to last until January, and an attacking signing in January could bring a spark that could see us through to big silverware. We definetly had attacking targets in the last window, but sales held us back.
Based on the last few years, it can be hard to be hopeful for any kind of signing, but a player like Adeyemi would be perfect.
1.) 13 Sep 2021 16:36:46
I don’t like to tear posts apart but can’t help it on this occasion Reus because that post is about as inaccurate as a post can possibly be.
You say we’ve relied on a small group of elite players and it’s come back to bite us ‘in the last few years’. We were champions in 19/ 20. That’s just over a year ago. We struggled last year with injuries, particularly at CB but that was happening to lots of teams. I don’t buy this idea that Liverpool have a small squad. We have 4 top CB now, 4 top attackers, 7 top midfielders, 2 fullbacks for both left and right, and in Celleher an up and coming reliable back up keeper.
Yes there’s a drop in quality if VVD gets injured or Salah or Fabinho but they are so good you’re not going to get a player of that quality who’s happy to sit on the bench. Nor could we afford them! I hate to break it to you but we don’t have a sugar daddy like City or Chelsea do and we aren’t as rich as Utd (who’s squad is much weaker than ours anyway) .
Then you say we only got top 4 because we signed Kabak? Did you actually watch any games after we signed him? We got top 4 because Klopp finally accepted that Fabinho isn’t a long term solution at CB and played Phillips and Williams with Fabinho in midfield. Kabak was injured for most of it and had nothing to do with the run that saw us claim 3rd.
Sorry like I said I hate tearing posts apart but had to get that off my chest. No offence 😊.
2.) 13 Sep 2021 18:05:23
Have to agree with Beckers there.
And if Kabak had that much of an impact, wouldn't it have made sense to keep him?
3.) 13 Sep 2021 18:29:10
Reus, while your premise that Chelsea and ManU are not better than us overnight is absolutely correct, Becker's Pecker (damn, that name is painful to type! ) reply is completely right.
4.) 14 Sep 2021 10:50:35
Unlike the rest of you I believe we should be competing for all trophies, not just 1 a season. We are not able to because of our sqaud. Every year cup competitions are sacrificed, and rightly so given our situation, but its dissappointing.
Fabinho would have stayed in defence if Kabak was not signed. Rhys Williams did a great a job when Kabak got injured. But he would not have been trusted with Phillips if Kabak was not signed, allowing Fabinho to shine in midfield as we all knew he would. And Kabak played over half the league games after signing, and yes I watched every game.
You missed the point of my post anyway, it was not to complain about our squad or our transfers. It was meant to be uplifiting post to remind everyone our squad is strong enough to get us through till December, and a decent signing in January could help us massively in the business end of the season.
26 Mar 2021 21:41:29
This was going to be a longer post but I decided against it.
We have seen this season that we rely a lot on our full backs being at 100%, and do not have adequate replacements. Our full backs rely on a strong midfield to cover for them. This season unlike previous years we have played more offensive midfielders, usually out of necessity. To account for this, we have seen many games where one full back holds while the other one attacks. This maybe a short term fix, or if you consider the number of offensive midfielders we now have, indicates a system change.
Therefore my suggestion would be to consider using Gomez as the backup RB for Trent and the "missing" Ben Davies as the cover LB. Both are capable and have played those roles. I have always hated Gomez playing RB as he is not suited to play that role in our old system. But we need to have midfielders who join the attack and make late runs into the box, or even distraction runs in between the defence to help the forwards. Despite how good our 2 full backs are, they do have limitations in the advanced positions which they find themselves in. We have a few players who can play that role, but won't get a chance because they do not track back efficiently. We are left too vulnerable at the back, if the full backs are also attacking, so this maybe the only way it becomes viable.
I believe it would be a waste to have our current full backs playing deep, when they could be rested instead. This way we can have 6 CBs, and 2-3 full backs, and a system that can be tweaked to suit out players and the opposition we face. I believe Nat Phillips has earned a chance to be an option as a CB for another season at least. Kabak is decent, and has had a good start at an important time, but I don't think he is good enough to be a regular starter which is what we need. Caleta-Car looks impressive from the little I have seen of him, but it is important to address this position and solidify it this summer. I do not believe we will be able to sell Matip, him and Gomez are relatively injury prone, so 6 CBs is a must.
Finally I believe there is still another level this team can reach, and all it needs is a quality striker. Origi being our only recognised striker for many years is a worry, as its has always been a glaring issue papered over by the amazing achievements by Salah and Mane.
1.) 27 Mar 2021 06:43:11
Morning Reus, we are not yet sure if Davies is good enough. Who are the midfielders who are going to make late runs into the box? There are a lot of questions for this squad to answer. We need goals from midfield but we don’t have the players. Hopefully when Hendo is back to play with Fabs it will allow the front 4 to play together.
2.) 27 Mar 2021 07:17:25
Gomez I s terrible at right back! Great cb but he’s a mistake waiting to happen at rb.
3.) 27 Mar 2021 09:50:58
Gomez is no RB!
We need a good few players and a bit of freshness 3 years of the same players playing non stop has caught up with us! The other team squad players didn’t help always being injured!
Hopefully we can find the funds some where to bring in new faces and be rid of the passengers on big wages!
4.) 27 Mar 2021 10:04:43
I think we have lacked the capacity to get both full backs up the pitch because of a lack of a proper ‘6’ for most of the season. When Fabinho is in that position we have far more protection when we go forward. He has the capacity to drop in and create a three at the back if needed. Also the understanding of Henderson in midfield is huge. He recognises when to cover Trent and cut off passing lanes. Gini on form on the opposite side can offer this but to a lesser extent I would say. For me in the summer a centre half is a must, probably two given the injury record of the current centre backs. I would go for another no6 (bissouma ideal) to provide cover in there. He would be a starter with Fabinho but could serve as Fabinho replacement if injured. Allow Jones to take over ginis role. Another forward also. Any other signings would relate to replacing squad positions that may leave.
Cheers.
5.) 27 Mar 2021 11:31:36
OP, I am confused regarding Gomez and other parts of your post. You say you hate him playing RB which I agree with yet you say he should b the backup. Well isn’t that already the case to some extent esp if Neco and Milner cannot fill in at the last resort? Same with Davies. Tsimikas was brought in to play LB with Robbo. Now he has been injured and due to CV issues hence, has not been able to get going but why would Davies be a back up LB when we don’t even know if he is good enuff to play CB the way Klopp plays it?
Now regarding the midfield, you say we do not have midfielders who can score goals. Have you been watching us play all this time cos Hendo, Gini and Ox have shown they can get into advanced positions and score goals cos I saw them do it time and again at least before this season. Now they may not b doing that now for obv reasons but to say we do not have mids who can get into advanced areas and score goals us patently false.
As for our FB’s, you say they have limitations in advanced positions. Sorry, which FB’s are you talking about? Cos if it is Trent and Robbo then, I am lost for words. You do know that our FB pairing is one if the best in the world offensively, right? Trent is our KDB from RB. Do you know how good you have to b to get compared to him? As for tracking back, yes our fullbacks track back but as a safe blanket, Fab, Hendo and our CB’s (who can defend in wide areas) are there to cover for them. This is not rocket science. Sorry bro, you bring up some good points BUT some of your arguments are simply incoherent.
6.) 27 Mar 2021 11:38:40
I’m Pretty sure even in the games we lost on the bounce at home our fullbacks still put loads of crosses into the box. It’s just that the crosses were either not of a great quality, no one was on the end of it or it actually played into the hands of Burnley, Wba, Brighton etc who had around 6-8 players in the box winning easy headers against Mane and Salah.
7.) 27 Mar 2021 11:58:41
Oli agree with everything you said there except the part that our midfielders have proven time and time again they can get goals. Our midfielders are exceptional at what they do but scoring goals isn’t one of them. In the last few seasons our midfield have the following in the league
Henderson 8 goals in last 5 seasons
Ox 7 goals in last 4 seasons
Fab 3 premier league goals in his career
Kieta 4 premier league goals in his career
Wijnaldum 14 goals in last 5 seasons.
Milner 14 goals in last 5 seasons.
So they average less than 3 goals a season with some of them as low as 1.
8.) 27 Mar 2021 12:05:45
You have seen Hendo, Gini and Ox time and again get into the box and score goals? We must have been watching different players. At a guess they probably don’t have 50 goals between them in 500 plus games. You can’t rely on those 3 for assists or goals. Maybe OX pre injury but sorry not now.
9.) 27 Mar 2021 14:37:23
I don't think any of you got my point.
The issues is not with trent or robbos ability, its about being predictable, crossing from the same positions outside the box is not always going to work. Trent and robbo are both capable at beating a man, shooting and passing, but they are not wingers. Robertson had so many chances to shoot this season, in positions where a better suited player might have scored. Crossing from deep has worked great because of their individual qualities, but being closer/ inside the box would improve the quality of the cross.
We are most effective when they do not have to worry about what is behind them and crosses are driven in before the opposition defence can organise. If every game we rely on the same format, the opposition are already drilled to be prepared for it. A lot of our best chances this year, have come from passes in the midfield positions in behind the defence as they aren't prepared for it.
The issue is we can't expect to rely on the brilliance of Van Dijk and Gomez, having 2 pacy, strong and smart defenders won't always be an option. And having hard working midfielders like we have had for many years is also not sustainable imo. Players like naby keita, thiago, a cam like coutinho everyone seems to want will never be able to be as effective in a system which relies on midfielders to cover for fullbacks. We also can't always rely on Fabinho to mop up in front of the defence.
Yes we haven't seen anything of Davies, but from his role at his past club you can see there is a player there. Many cbs were eased in as a full back to get some experience, he isn't young but it might help him. And I am suggesting a role change which would be effectively playing as a back 3 when we have possession, so they would not be acting as a full back and joining the attack.
Ox, shaqiri, keita, Jones are all capable of playing those advanced midfield positions. And they would thrive in my opinion with less defensive duties. If we get a striker, I would add firmino as an option as an attacking mid, and it remains to be seen if that would suit Thiago.
Our system is perfect when our first choice team is available, and we can take nothing away from these players and what we have achieved. Our first team have players who perform consistently at such a high level, which allows our system to work. But we need to be more fluid to allow players to be rotated into the team without expecting them to perform roles not suited to them.
Maybe I'm wrong, who knows. Not like we have any say in how we play. But I chose to vent my internal discussion here. I trust in Kopp and we have so much to play for yet.
10.) 27 Mar 2021 16:36:20
JK23 and Mark, you are making a point I did not make. I said they have shown the ability to get forward and score goals and you stats bear that out (not that I needed it) . What I did not say was that they were prolific which of course, they are not for obv reasons. They are not fundamentally asked to do that, as we all know. Gini scores for fun for Holland. Ox even last season showed he can score goals. Hendo, the same esp when his role changed and moved to the 8 instead of the 6. That was my point cos the OP said or implied that they lack the ability to do so.
Of course, we do not rely on them to score goals even tho they can. If people are mad about that then they can refer their grievances to the man in charge cos it is his system.
OP I have never seen Davies play so I have no opinion of him, sorry. And Yes, our midd could thrive from less defensive responsibilities but again, the system is made where by when we lose the ball, the defensive press begins. You cannot hurt one side of the system just to see another side do what you want. Football doesn’t work that way.
Our team is the way it is. We need to be better at and have diff variations of doing what we are brilliant at in order to mitigate the things we are not strong at. This is the very essence of a footballing system.
11.) 27 Mar 2021 22:54:01
Rm and you wonder why no one engages with you.
05 Feb 2019 14:15:02
No one said it was going to be easy….
For those saying we bottled the league by drawing 2 tough games, after the record number of points we have amassed this season … I honestly feel sad for you.
I was angry last night at the draw and the dropped points, but that is no reason to give up, no reason to attack the team and the manager and to forget we still have 3 points above the so called greatest premier league team. Man City should be respected, we are allowed to be wary of them but it confuses me that some fans fear them so much. It is exactly what they would want, and it is so dangerous if it spreads into our team.
I made this post to actually talk about why I think we lost the game, I do not think it was nerves. Yes at times of the game we didn’t look totally comfortable, but that can be said about every game. We played 2 teams in Leicester and West Ham who sat back and tried to play on the counter. The Palace game was also similar.
This team is not suited to breaking down defences, we have been saying that for a while and its annoying that it’s still true. I am happy with our players, but we have to admit they do not have the quality of passing City are blessed with. If anyone saw the Gundogan pass against Arsenal to Sterling who played it first time across goal to Aguero, that is the quality we lack. The players are capable, but the pass is always a little too late. Last night Keita and Fabinho had so many opportunities to play a ball over the defence but they held on to the ball too long and left the attackers frustrated. In a game where the defence is packed as tightly as they are, it needs a ball into the space straight away.
Secondly I also hate seeing Robertson getting in a good position out wide, but having to hold his pass because the box is empty. He should be able to hit it in knowing a player will be there. I worry this will always be the case until we play with a striker. I am in no way complaining about our front 3, they are terrific players suited to our system, doing better than we could have ever expected. But in a game as tight as this we need a player who is going to be in the box ahead of the defender. Not someone flowing around looking for space, which they only seem to find in our own half. Salah is currently our most creative player and main goal scorer, which is not sustainable. I am not blaming the players or Klopp or even the recruitment, but it is a problem. We bought well this summer, we were never going to fill every position. Klopp was hoping Keita would be the player to link Defence to attack like the OX last year, and he has shown glimpses but our transition is too slow. He also had a right to assume and hope the other players on the bench would give more than they have.
Finally I also think that teams know they are no longer up against Gomez and Trent on the right, so they attack this area. A Matip – Milner or Henderson defence means we allow possession in positions we should not, we do not have the recovery pace to deal with the attack before they develop, encouraging the opposition to be more adventurous. We also lose the ball more consistently as Matip and the make shift right backs are just not as comfortable under pressure, the clearances are tame and somehow always seem to bring further pressure. For those crying out for Clyne, he would not be an improvement. Trent returning will be a big boost for the defence and attack, as he has the quality to create a chance from nothing.
We dropped points because the opposition was prepared for us, not because we somehow lack the conviction to win a title. We have to accept our strengths and weaknesses and find a new way to break down these defences, as there will be more games like this.
This was meant to be a small post, so I apologise but I think it’s important we all try keep context with the season.
1.) 05 Feb 2019 18:23:01
Err OP, we did not lose. We drew. Also, teams have set up like that against us loads of times this season and we won all those games cos we did indeed HAD the conviction, belief and desire. We lacked ALL of that last night and that is where our issues lie.
04 Jul 2017 12:59:11
I want to share my opinion on the Keita interest.
I have seen many different opinions on here, some people have a single minded adoration for the player, while others have questioned his fee and his place in the squad. The most absurd thing I read is that he might be a replacement for Coutinho, which makes little sense.
With regards to his place in the squad, I am convinced like most people he is more than just an option and will be a starter.
Last season Klopp was forced to play a 3 man midfield because the players in the squad aren't able to play as a 2. That limits us to a few formations, and makes us slightly predictable. From his time in Dortmund Klopp prefers a 2 man holding midfield, where the two players alternate from attacking to holding positions. Currently we only have Henderson and Can who are able to play this position properly. Wijnaldum can play along side Can or Henderson, but not with anyone else.
With all due respect, I don't think Lucas/ Stewart are good enough and Grujic based on the games last year is not ready yet. I also would not want to see Coutinho playing in a midfield 3 where he has to track back into our box like Lallana and Gini were doing last season. With the pace/ quality we now have upfront, a 2 man holding midfield putting defense first would not be the worst idea.
That puts us in a position where Can or Henderson has to play in every game, which is not sustainable. As shown this year when Hendo was injured and Can was in poor form but still played. What Keita gives us is 4 first team players to play in a 2 man midfield and 6 first team players to play in a 3 man midfield without a massive drop in quality. In my opinion that is as important as having, for example 2 lbs or 4 Cbs.
Finally I don't like to talk about fees, and I do believe £70m is a lot of money. However at his age and with his ability I do think Keita is worth up to that amount. The alternative is buying an average/ good player who has a main strength in either attacking or defending for around £40m. With Keita you get a genuinely balanced player who can do both at a very high level, in both areas he matches and exceeds midfielders playing in the top leagues. Just as Kante is mentioned as being worth 2 players on the pitch, Keita can be the same for us with his work rate and even more so as he is superior in an attacking sense.
I think that does makes buying Keita a priority, along with a LB and a CB. The only doubt here is convincing RBL.
1.) 04 Jul 2017 13:17:04
Absolutely spot on. I did mention what happens when we buy him. We wil have 2 players for 4 positions which is a madantory considering our injury records and intense training regime.
Can / Hendo - Holding
Wiji / Kieta - CM
Coutinho / Lallana - ACM.
This is a balanced team in my view. You are playing 4 completions and I could see at least 3 among those injured at the same time frame. Rather than spending £40 mill on an attacker and £30 mill on a DM, you buy one player with the full package.
2.) 04 Jul 2017 15:16:20
really agree with this post it was nice stuff to read. I think Keita is midfielder most similar to Luka Modric, and that he could be instrumental in starting of our attacks and feeding our pacey wingers and attacking players, as he is so unpredictable. Hendo and Can are our long ball midfielders and good destroyers and we have options with lallana gini and cou. for example mane is injured salah takes rw place cou can shift left we have lallana as a midfielder. even when 2 or 3 front players are injured our options would still be very good!
3.) 04 Jul 2017 15:40:12
Spot on Reus. We can't just lump players into 3 buckets of "defenders", "midfielders" and "attackers", but we need to look at the particular nuances of Klopp's preferred formations and what holes we have. Doesn't mean I would de-prioritise a LB, for example, but I can see how Keita would be a very valuable addition and improve our first 11 (which is the most important thing to me, not money) .
Now, I have to have a lie down because I do believe I just agreed with Harry!
4.) 04 Jul 2017 17:03:32
Sums it up nicely, thanks for that. ðŸ‘.
26 May 2016 14:05:29
He looks similar to Moreno, arguably better attacking. On a review I saw for him, they put his one weakness as Tackling, a defender who can't tackle.
I guess everyone wants to know if he is better than Moreno, but that is difficult to judge till he plays in the premier league. He is young and hopefully learns his position better than Moreno seems to be able to.
I would still prefer a defender who defends first, like Hector, we have plenty able to provide in Attack. Trust in Klopp.
23 May 2016 11:35:33
Can anyone who has seen Gotze play tell me, does he take freekicks or corners well?
Because I would spend £30m just to see Milner not take any more corners.
The number of corners and freekicks we win and waste is frustrating to say the least.
16 May 2016 16:06:38
I am not forgetting him, if like Klopp has recently played different teams in different competitions, we need 2 CM to replace Can and Henderson.
Tbh I'm not sure on Zielinski, the question is would you prefer him and Grujic with Stewart as the backup. Or Stewart and Grujic as the only alternative to Hendo and Can?
Many fans seem unconvinced with Stewart and want him sold, I do think he looks a player with potential.
16 May 2016 13:32:29
It does make sense, this is a quote from Klopp.
"We'll try to find players that will give us the opportunity to become better. If they are better then good, but if they are the same level that would be really good too. Then we can push each other onto another level. "
Because of the number of games and the level they are played at rotation is necessary. Klopp prefers a dynamic midfield 2, right now only Can and Henderson are capable of playing that role. Milner doesn't have the dicipline or positional sense, Allen is too weak can't play a full 90 in that role, Lucas is too slow, Brannagan and Chivrella look young and not physical enough. Stewart works hard but still has improvements to make.
We either compensate and play 3 in midfield, which removes one attacking option, or we buy someone.
If Allen gets sold, we only have 2 CM, when Henderson and Can were injured it showed in the teams performance. Hopefully Zielinski can be a good player if he comes.
14 Sep 2021 10:50:35
Unlike the rest of you I believe we should be competing for all trophies, not just 1 a season. We are not able to because of our sqaud. Every year cup competitions are sacrificed, and rightly so given our situation, but its dissappointing.
Fabinho would have stayed in defence if Kabak was not signed. Rhys Williams did a great a job when Kabak got injured. But he would not have been trusted with Phillips if Kabak was not signed, allowing Fabinho to shine in midfield as we all knew he would. And Kabak played over half the league games after signing, and yes I watched every game.
You missed the point of my post anyway, it was not to complain about our squad or our transfers. It was meant to be uplifiting post to remind everyone our squad is strong enough to get us through till December, and a decent signing in January could help us massively in the business end of the season.
27 Mar 2021 14:37:23
I don't think any of you got my point.
The issues is not with trent or robbos ability, its about being predictable, crossing from the same positions outside the box is not always going to work. Trent and robbo are both capable at beating a man, shooting and passing, but they are not wingers. Robertson had so many chances to shoot this season, in positions where a better suited player might have scored. Crossing from deep has worked great because of their individual qualities, but being closer/ inside the box would improve the quality of the cross.
We are most effective when they do not have to worry about what is behind them and crosses are driven in before the opposition defence can organise. If every game we rely on the same format, the opposition are already drilled to be prepared for it. A lot of our best chances this year, have come from passes in the midfield positions in behind the defence as they aren't prepared for it.
The issue is we can't expect to rely on the brilliance of Van Dijk and Gomez, having 2 pacy, strong and smart defenders won't always be an option. And having hard working midfielders like we have had for many years is also not sustainable imo. Players like naby keita, thiago, a cam like coutinho everyone seems to want will never be able to be as effective in a system which relies on midfielders to cover for fullbacks. We also can't always rely on Fabinho to mop up in front of the defence.
Yes we haven't seen anything of Davies, but from his role at his past club you can see there is a player there. Many cbs were eased in as a full back to get some experience, he isn't young but it might help him. And I am suggesting a role change which would be effectively playing as a back 3 when we have possession, so they would not be acting as a full back and joining the attack.
Ox, shaqiri, keita, Jones are all capable of playing those advanced midfield positions. And they would thrive in my opinion with less defensive duties. If we get a striker, I would add firmino as an option as an attacking mid, and it remains to be seen if that would suit Thiago.
Our system is perfect when our first choice team is available, and we can take nothing away from these players and what we have achieved. Our first team have players who perform consistently at such a high level, which allows our system to work. But we need to be more fluid to allow players to be rotated into the team without expecting them to perform roles not suited to them.
Maybe I'm wrong, who knows. Not like we have any say in how we play. But I chose to vent my internal discussion here. I trust in Kopp and we have so much to play for yet.
08 Dec 2020 14:05:00
I am an avid reader of this site, I have such a high regard for the platform and enjoy reading its usual level headed posts to pass the time. For an online platform the general vibe is so positive and calm, much of that must be due to the regulating from the Eds.
For this reason, this thread saddened me more than the usual drivel you read online. Ed001's responses were perfect, and he is completely correct to say you can not just ignore comments like those.
It is funny to see how you always see people say I am open to hearing other people's views, but when Ed001 made so many great points all they heard was the, in my opinion, valid accusation of racism and bigotry. Then you see multiple responses debasing everything that was said purely using the "you can't call me racist" or "stop being soft" card.
You can not condemn a cause based on the actions of people, people make mistakes, their mistakes do not alter the message of the cause. We can not allow people to distort a positive message in this way.
By example, a mistake by a Liverpool player or fan, by default reflects on Liverpool as a club, but it does not define them. 1 person, or a group of people can not change a global brand, and it is ignorant to let it shape your opinion.
How can we use some negative data, to segregate a whole race of people? For context, if people from 1 or 2 houses on your street commit a crime, would you consent for the police to brandish you a criminal by association?
We as humans instinctively label things, it is so easy to caught into a "us and them" pattern. In many ways we can forgive that, because it is primitive safety measure to protect us. But as intelligent people we have to learn to look past that, see past flaws and find the good. Being wary and having doubts is fine, but being dismissive and ignorant is not.
04 Aug 2019 23:55:10
I actually disagree he is selfish. Salah is confident in his own ability, and backs himself to score over his teammates. We can not deny we have a team full of players who are not clinical in front of goal.
Salah has the ability to asses the situation under pressure, and will pass or shoot if he trusts the person in a better position. As Firmino plays as a false 9 most of the time, Salah is usually the furthest forward and shooting is the only option, as was true in most of the game and most of last season. Origi and Firmino just didn't make the right runs in the box today to be available to be picked out. Just as when Mane is in the box, 9 times out of 10 he is the furthest forward and will shoot. Salah creates the most chances in the team by a long way.
Even I get annoyed when he takes a snap shot when he has more time then he realises, but we have such high standards for him and its unfair to call him selfish. We are lucky to have a player with such ability. I would love to see him play off a regular striker, and not have the burden of being the main goal scorer. On another positive note, Firmino was so good today, his tricks and turns looked amazing and were so effective. We missed that in parts last season.
10 Sep 2016 22:28:14
What he gives is a composure with the ball, an attacking threat from midfield, something we missed last year. Yes he hasn't been perfect, but playing midfield in the Premier League is difficult. On more than one occasion he kept his head in the box to provide an assist, unlike other midfielders we have had like Allen, Lucas and even Henderson who lack composure further up the field.
He can take the ball from midfield and drive forward, and I would prefer him making run into the box than Henderson or Can. He has pace, and he is comfortable receiving the ball, he has a good range of passing and plays with his head up. From last year we know he can score goals, and the position he keeps getting into, it won't be long before he scores his first goal.
He has also done his work defensively, especially today where I noticed a few key interceptions and good defensive headers. With his play I see an intelligence and understanding of the game which is important.
It is still too early to judge him, but given the good list of attributes he possesses I think he can be a good player for us.