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04 Jul 2021 23:19:33
Camavainga available for €30m? Absolute steal and he'd be home grown eventually too. Not 19 until November.


{Ed0666's Note - wow that is a steal. We have a very good relationship with his agent also. I’m surprised Real & PSG aren’t all over this?

1.) 05 Jul 2021 00:16:02
I can understand Sancho because we have Salah there and Elliott returning but I’d be very disappointed if we sat on our hands again and let United get him when we badly need a midfielder. I thought they’d be looking for almost triple the €30m. If we want a crack at the title we need to get moving Klopp would want new players to have a good pre season.

{Ed0666's Note - this guy is just pure potential but someone
Like bissouma is premiership tried and tested

2.) 05 Jul 2021 00:25:12
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm Ed0666 me old pal🤔.

{Ed0666's Note - no mate I think he’s gonna be a superstar but at the moment he’s pure potential. We have a good relationship with his agent whose also Gareth Frank Bales agent. And i thought Real Madrid were his chosen destination and it was pretty much assumed he would end up there. If he goes to United for 30 mill they’ve got a steal. I can see him going there because his buddy Pogba would help him assimilate.

3.) 05 Jul 2021 01:09:38
Maybe Camavinga is going to United to help Pogba finally assimilate.

4.) 05 Jul 2021 03:07:45
You won't be able to touch camavinga under 100 million. I think that 30 million is minimum part payment plan of 4 installments that they would accept.

5.) 05 Jul 2021 07:41:18
He's out of contract in the summer and has absolutely no intention of signing a new one as per several different reports. It is of no real surprise that they are looking to cash in on him. Cracking player and a great buy for whoever he ends up getting him.

6.) 05 Jul 2021 08:55:48
That’s mad if United get a clean run at him for €30m, you mention pogba and chums but I can’t see pogba being there past this season.

7.) 05 Jul 2021 09:23:46
The lad could do worse than going to Dortmund to develop. Seem's like a good logical step before going to warm the bench at a giant club.

{Ed077's Note - Dortmund can only develop so many young players at once. They already have a potential star in midfield in the form of Jude Bellingham. You can't have a team full of U-20s only eh..

8.) 05 Jul 2021 10:58:11
Would he have played with Konate at international level? Maybe they can buddy up at Liverpool?

9.) 05 Jul 2021 09:04:47
I can't see how we don't get involved if he's available. Need a Gini replacement and one becomes available at the right price and age we have no excuses. He wouldn't be an instant starter but great depth at 6 and 8 then long term he absolutely would take over. Still loads of time left and usually I don't concern myself with it but have to say im a bit worried this window. Was hoping we'd go out and show real ambition to try win another league/ CL. Fingers crossed we pull 2 or 3 good players out of the bag.



02 Jul 2021 12:28:23
Supposedly we’re looking for 15-20m for a striker who’s only goal was the 7th vs Lincoln city back in September. Fully expect him to end up on loan in Turkey.


1.) 02 Jul 2021 12:53:26
His Lazy style would suit Valium FC but they don't have the funds, so it looks like he will remain on bench duties for us until he's well into his 40's cause he's such a top bloke.

2.) 02 Jul 2021 13:37:02
According to the Athletic we're not actively looking to sell him.

{Ed0666's Note - not having a pop at you Nick but the OP who is showing utter disregard and contempt for Divvy. Yes he’s not the greatest footballer in the world but he is the classiest and nicest person you’ll ever want to meet. He practically won us the champions league and early himself a new contract on the back of that and deservedly so. He’s NEVER disrespected or denigrated the club and I’m hopeful if given the opportunity and a run of games can show he’s a reliable goal scorer. Maybe he’ll have to move to make this happen but let’s treat him with the dignity he deserves please and malign him less.

3.) 02 Jul 2021 13:51:48
Chelsea just bought Origi for 33m in my Football Manager save. They've been looking for a striker in real life. Coincidence? I think not.

4.) 02 Jul 2021 13:57:12
Absolutely disgraceful comment Salah, he has scored some extremely important goals for us and contributed massively to klopps cause the last 5 years. I personally think it’s his time to move on and see if he can become the main man at another club but comments like that are out of order.

5.) 02 Jul 2021 14:15:41
Origi is a top bloke but a terrible footballer, he has been diabolical when given chances to prove himself, bottling challenges and giving up chasing balls. He absolutely should be moved on, with nothing but well wishes of course.

6.) 02 Jul 2021 14:49:22
"He practically won us the champions league". 😆😆😆😆my God! bloke has to go, taking up space in the squad at this stage.

7.) 02 Jul 2021 15:00:58
We are not going to get 15-20 for him let’s be honest.

8.) 02 Jul 2021 16:44:15
Ed666, this is the type of rubbish we are being afflicted with on a daily basis by the modern day "fan". Instant gratification at all costs. Instead of stating why you may like or dislike a player with good faith arguments and cogent points, we are afflicted with the disgraceful comments like the OP attacking a player who was instrumental to our success under Klopp.

He may not be who we thought he could be when he broke thru BUT he still deserves the respect he has earned thru his very own exploits for us. The funny thing is that you can find people clamoring for Keita, an absolute useless player and piece of work off the pitch by all accounts while at the same time, disrespecting and insulting an Origi who ran thru a brick wall for the cause and one of the foundation squad members that made us Champions Of Everything and Everywhere under Klopp. Go figure.

9.) 02 Jul 2021 17:46:50
Appreciate everything Origis done. But it was all 2 years ago. He’s simply not good enough. Was more a dig at us overpricing players again according to the report.

10.) 02 Jul 2021 15:52:48
Eds666 As nice as it is to have div around the place I agree with jadon he is taking up space and wages. He can’t live off a couple of important goals for the rest of his career. If we haven’t got the money to replace then try one of our kids like Elliot.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m not saying he doesent need moving on I’m just saying he should be respected and not be ridiculed mate

11.) 02 Jul 2021 18:20:38
His famous trio of goals (the header against T-Rex and his 2 against Barca) were maybe 15 yards between d 3 of them, one into any empty net. They were hardly Gerrard wondergoals were they! by all accounts he's a good bloke but he has been more often than not terrible for a long time now. going back much earlier than our Champions League winning season.

12.) 02 Jul 2021 18:22:09
Divock certainly hasn't done anything wrong deserving of being ridiculed lad's. Just remember what he has done for the club before you get your knives sharpened.

{Ed001's Note - and his setting up of a scholarship for Liverpool University.}

13.) 02 Jul 2021 19:01:22
Divvy also scored the goal that sealed no 6 (you missed that one Jadon! ) . Anyone who denigrates or disrespects a man who achieved that is simply a glory seeker, not a supporter.
Respect is due, along with a large slice of humble pie.

14.) 02 Jul 2021 19:06:38
I agree totally ott, Origi has given us many amazing moments.

15.) 02 Jul 2021 19:19:15
Don’t knock the man lads! He’s seems a genuine nice fella and a good lad I’ll always be grateful for his goal of nvr slate the man! He will leave us a winner and I I wish him the best! One day he will find his inner mr. T and absolutely destroy some poor lad!

{Ed0666's Note - the fella is super intelligent as well as being a thoroughly nice fella. He’ll be successful wherever he goes he thinks

16.) 02 Jul 2021 19:51:27
Havnt ridiculed, denigrated or disrespected anyone but football wise he shouldn't be here. For his OWN good aswell as the clubs. Can ANY of you who are jumping on the high horse say he should be part of our squad next season?

{Ed0666's Note - ok Jadon I’ll take the bait. Name me other strikers who have won a premier league and champions league under the age of 28 that would complain if they only played a hatful of games all season and won’t cause disequilibrium? He’s a 4th choice striker at best and doesent ruffle any feathers.

17.) 02 Jul 2021 20:21:20
I’ll always have respect for Origi. He came through when we needed him the most vs. Barcelona and scored a wonderful goal in the finals. Not to mention his goal against Everton.

18.) 02 Jul 2021 20:23:04
Look he's an intelligent decent bloke, not disputing that. The scolarship is brilliant from him, im talking purely football. And football wise he is nowhere near good enough and should be sold to go towards buying another top attacker who can COMPETE with the rest of the forwards to start games.

19.) 02 Jul 2021 21:39:46
We should bin Kenny out of the club as well. Hasn't contributed anything on the field towards success since 2012. Needs to move on. Klopp as well, what's he done since we won the league? Nothing. Another lad happy to hang around and pick up a wage. Is that how this works?

{Ed0666's Note - it’s Shankly and paisley that puss me off the most. Friggin wasters

20.) 02 Jul 2021 23:02:04
Your right Mane, let's give Divock a lifetime membership to our squad! my God he's deserved it over the last few years. Jesus even the likes of Salah and Virg will have to be moved on eventually, got help what this site is going to be like then.

{Ed0666's Note - nobody is disputing divvy’s days at Liverpool are numbered we’re just asking him to be respected more

21.) 02 Jul 2021 23:05:50
You see Jadon, the problem with your question is that how you have framed it is all wrong. I think we can all agree that IF there is a buyer and IF we can find a suitable replacement then yes he SHOULD go.

But the belief that he should go is pure supposition.

What are the facts?
- We know he is positive around the club, the city. He barely plays but you hardly hear a peep out of him. Maybe he is happy taking a pay cheque? I dunno, I'm not inside, but all the talk seems to be positive about him.

- he is the 5th name on the team sheet after bobby, mane, salah and Jota for the front line. Even that is debatable depending on how much Elliot progresses in the squad.

- Ability-wise we know what he can do, especially if he gets run of games. He has scored some massive goals for a guy who hardly plays.

Overall, for me having a guy like Origi is important for every squad. He just gets on with his job and contributes where he can with the limited minutes he gets.

I think there is far too much focus on what a player can't do. Far too much energy into picking apart everything to do with the club.
I am sure I'll get backlash for being rose-tinted, but I just rekon ya'll need to pop outside and smell some fresh air lol

Origi is one of our guys. I'll always have far more loyalty and grace to someone like Origi who has embedded himself into the fabric of the club and done nothing negative towards the club to be talking about him like he is piece of meat to be traded for a prime cut.

22.) 03 Jul 2021 00:28:07
Im the least negative person in the world when it comes to Lfc, but not one of them reasons you just gave is a valid reason to keep him apart from you know it'll be a popular opinion on this site. When i see people like Neco and Gini getting stick on this site yet Divock is on a pedestal it bemuses me. Apparently Gini went missing the last 6 months, Divocks being largely missing the last 4 years, think people forget the domestic cup games where as a senior member of a weakened team he should be a n example but instead would hide for 90 mins, these are the games dat would annoy me more than the big gamea.

{Ed0666's Note - you try be world class when you never play. This thread is getting tedious now. You win mate.

23.) 03 Jul 2021 02:14:00
up to you mate. Well perhaps we sell him for his next opportunity and then we don't replace him. I'd be ok with that.

24.) 03 Jul 2021 07:20:28
Think Jadon was on a wind up ed, clearly you agreed he should be moved on but respected. I got that two posts in!

25.) 03 Jul 2021 10:57:43
Yes, the smart one always leaves first. Good choice.

26.) 03 Jul 2021 12:15:33
The reason we aren’t looking to sell him is simple. We’d get £10-15m for him and to replace him we’d have to spend £20m+ and we have no money 😂 div is causing no problems and is already bought and paid for and that’s where his true value is.

27.) 03 Jul 2021 11:33:27
It’s hard to judge a players performance based on a year where he’s hardly got a run in the team, and then been asked to step onto the field for 15mins and change games. Yes he may not ever be the quality of Mane and Salah but people are underestimating what having time on the pitch means to a players form and their ability to contribute.

What is a fact though is that not too long ago he was crucial to our league and champions league wins, with some key goals in big matches. He’s clearly a decent finisher and someone who’s proven a capable deputy in the past.

In short, a top bloke and a respectable player who’s don’t a lot for the club and the city. Let’s treat him as such even if it may be time for us to find an alternative plan B. I’ll always wish him well wherever he goes.

28.) 03 Jul 2021 13:48:57
Knockout-stage en route to winning CL in 2019:

Origi Minutes 117. Goals from open play 3

Salah Minutes 540. Goals from open play 1

Of the two, better to sell Salah. We will get more for him, and he does little or nothing in CL.

29.) 04 Jul 2021 08:43:11
Divvy has scored 35 goals in 157 games for a 5th choice forward who barely plays and behind the best front three on the planet and Jota. Maybe JH can tell us which forward will come here and do that, on his infinite wisdom.

Not saying Origi is great and should be kept. In fact, I agree that he should go. But the constant insults JH keeps aiming at him smacks of just absolute desperation and bitterness, it is hilarious. Your utter disrespect for a truly lovely fella, loved by near everyone at the club also for his actual exploits on the pitch, is embarrassing. Let it go, bro. Like Ed said, you are becoming tedious to read.

30.) 04 Jul 2021 15:25:22
Having spoken with many professional footballers at the top level the idea that divvy is sitting around to collect a wage is absolutely stupid.

The vast majority of players want to play, I've personally never met one that doesn't (though i've heard rumours of a few) . This isn't just a job for most players it's their life's passion and they're well aware of the fact that careers are very short and so wasting time sitting on a bench is something I've repeatedly heard players fight against.

I'd say a large number of players at the top level don't even like the off-season in my experience and can't wait to get back on the pitch.

I will wager money that origi is not "collecting a paycheck"




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03 Jul 2021 23:48:20
Henderson and Bellingham seem to get on very well, Henderson taking him under his wing. Would be high on my list of priorities next summer. Milner Ox Keita all possibly gone by then.


1.) 04 Jul 2021 01:50:39
If only Salah 🙏🙏🙏.

{Ed0666's Note - you never know Barry maybe we could talk Dortmund into giving us a kloppo employee discount

2.) 04 Jul 2021 03:06:02
He’s just turned 18 and class already.
England have got a lot of good players at the moment, and many of them are just young kids.
It’s very heartening and refreshing to see, and it definitely helps me to overcome club rivalries.
They’ve melted a lot of my cynicism of the national team too.
So, c'mon lads. ⚽️☝️.

3.) 04 Jul 2021 02:14:56
Tell you what Ed0666 JK is really going to have to utilize the squad and Mr. Edwards is really going to have to work his magic for the next season or 2 mate.

{Ed0666's Note - one thing I don’t underestimate is the allure of Klopp and Edwards magic with numbers. In hindsight yes there’s been a few transfer mistakes but who hasn’t made them? I think overall edwards has done an exceptional job and he’s got so much credit in the bank he’s forgiven for a boo boo hear and there. I’m super hopeful for a good season with Hendo, VVD, Matip, Gomez, Elliot and Konate. That’s practically 5 new signings which can only be a positive for us. And remember 4 of them know our system inside out so won’t need bedding in. Personally I think we’ll sign a midfielder and an attacking player and bring on City and Chelsea.

4.) 04 Jul 2021 06:29:21
Ed if kloppo discount is there we surely have to redeem it on halland.

{Ed0666's Note - I’m sure the discount is Haaland exempt 😂

5.) 04 Jul 2021 06:57:38
Hahaa. I read somewhere that they bought dembele sancho pulisic and one more lad for a combine 32 million and have sold them for 309 million!
And now we can add haaland and belligham to that list.

6.) 04 Jul 2021 08:30:43
If we were to sign Bellingham there must be a song for him somewhere.

7.) 04 Jul 2021 09:54:24
Quite right Akira, which is why if both Michael Zorc and Michael Edwards want Malen i think its safe to assume there's a good chance he is very good.

8.) 04 Jul 2021 09:56:26
Klop and Edwards are literally miracle workers with their transfer exploits that have led to to be one of the outright and proven best teams on the planet with the receipts (trophies) to prove it on pretty much a shoe string budget in comparison to others.

Not arsed with the mistakes they have made with transfers that I can count with one hand. I am confident we will make the right decisions.

9.) 04 Jul 2021 10:01:04
Malen is going to Dortmund.

10.) 04 Jul 2021 12:54:43
Is Dortmund just a stop gap for most players who want a bigger move a couple of years after they join. I don’t really watch German footy do they ever have a hope of winning any trophies?

11.) 04 Jul 2021 16:01:36
They won the league twice under klopp and almost won the champions league too.
Its a very well run club and their recruiting is second to none. Bayern wouldn't be so successful if there was no dortmund.
When dortmund were struggling bayern was loosing titles to the like of wolfsburg and Stuttgart. Then klopp took over won with dortmund. After that bayern bought every talented player any other Bundesliga club had and kept on winning.
Its not a selling club when you make 10x profit on your players. That just makes business sense. what's commendable is dortmund always find better replacements
They managed to replace players like gotze sahin kagawa mkhitaryan auba pulisic with even better players and i am pretty sure they will keep on doing that.
Its true though they haven't won much in a decade now. But they gave made 400 millions in profit on players sales.

12.) 04 Jul 2021 16:52:41
Spot on, Akira. Arnoldoza321, BVB are a huge club in Germany and have been more or less successful since the 90’s in terms of trophies in Germany and in Europe.

Their business model makes sense to them and they will continue doing what they are doing cos well, they simply cannot compete with Bayern if they keep selling their players for massive profits and it seems they are happy and have made peace with that for the time being even if it means they don’t win things (did win the German Cup last season tho) .

However, their ability to find even better replacements to replace the quality they have sold on, is uncannot, IMO.

13.) 04 Jul 2021 20:02:29
just imagine a full anfield singing hey Jude.



30 Jun 2021 19:42:40
I don’t think Sancho is as good as he’s made out to be but he’d have been brilliant for us all the same.

Frustrating we’re never involved when the big names are available. Supposedly they’re after Varane too? he’d have been great for us.

Haaland when he’s available i don’t think we’ll get involved. Would let’s say Konate/ Bissouma/ Malen be more than a 6/ 10 window? none start in the best 11 for me.


1.) 30 Jun 2021 19:53:22
Sancho has been fantastic for Dortmund so enough of the sour grapes. A very good signing for Man Utd as it was recognised as a weak area. Liverpool don’t need him unless we sell Salah. An attacking midfielder should be a priority and a replacement for Bobby as he’s not good enough should be considered.

2.) 30 Jun 2021 19:55:38
If every player we buy this summer fails to improve our 1st 11 it will have been a disappointing window.

{Ed025's Note - and if water falls from the sky it means its raining.. :)

3.) 30 Jun 2021 20:07:45
The Fifa Gen are the worst :)

4.) 30 Jun 2021 20:18:00
Varane? Seriously? Have you actually watched him lately? He’s very prone to mistakes. The Switzerland game was a microcosm of the player he’s become, the man is living off of a rep. Nothing more. Why do you think Madrid aren’t that arsed about renewing his contract?

5.) 30 Jun 2021 20:31:29
I don't know why we can't just buy all of the players.

6.) 30 Jun 2021 20:58:48
Sancho is quality player and is only young he’s a great signing!

7.) 30 Jun 2021 21:03:32
We have to improve also. City and United are clearly going to be stronger next season so we must also sign top players if we want to compete it’s simple.
Same goes for Chelsea they’ll have to spend also and make sure they challenge. Get the cheque book out.

8.) 30 Jun 2021 22:34:12
Konate is Klopp's choice to start next to VvD so he is a first 11 signing.

We are still likely to start a centre mid good enough to start/ rotate as the midfield 3 do a lot of running (Bissouma or Nehaus) .

Also likely to sign an attacker better than Origi for backup/ rotation so adding better quality squad depth where needed. Again, an upgrade overall.

9.) 30 Jun 2021 22:43:32
Sancho is a cracking signing for Utd, City likely to get Kane Grealish and Chelsea are strong. It’s going to be harder next season to finish top 4 imo and we can’t strengthen unless we sell as has been explained over and over. Elliott, Origi, Shaq, Ox, Keita all need to step up!

10.) 01 Jul 2021 07:55:05
I think Konate and Bissouma will be starting 11 players. Whatever forward we sign is going to struggle to make our team due to the strength we have in this area but for me if we end up signing those 3 I’d be happy.

11.) 01 Jul 2021 08:09:23
Kobra, who you leaving out mate to get Bissouma in?

12.) 01 Jul 2021 09:40:46
When fit, the starting trio in midfield is Fab, Hendo and Thiago. That's it. Bissouma or Neuhaus either of whom I hope we sign, will be part of the rotation. The End.

13.) 01 Jul 2021 09:55:29
Daretodream, Gini started most games so surely replacing him?

14.) 01 Jul 2021 12:28:38
As long as they don't address their real issues (CD and DM) it's happy days.



29 Jun 2021 23:37:21
Seems to have gone quite regarding a striker. There’s no way we’re naive enough to go into a season with Firmino as our main striker again? Salah/ Elliott seems good on the right and Mane/ Jota on the left but i think we need a starting striker to come in if we want to win the PL and CL. Henderson isn’t reliable with fitness either so i think the Gini replacement needs to be a first 11 player so we can managed his minutes better. Otavio seems interesting was very good in both games vs Chelsea.


1.) 30 Jun 2021 07:10:22
I couldn’t agree more about needing another forward player, hopefully after the Euros things will change and we will hopefully bring one in.

2.) 30 Jun 2021 09:00:39
OP, I saw a podcast where a journalist (Dean Jones, I think) literally said that LFC is the WORST club in England to get transfer info from. After that whole VVD situation, you cannot get ANY info or leaks regarding transfers from LFC. Even with the Konate deal, LFC nor Klopp said a peep in the media on it was made official and then Klopp commented on it.

What am I saying? Relax, man. Ed02 has said we are keen on Malen even tho, that would be tough cos Dortmund are more than in the mix. If that does not happen, there are other options. Chill out and enjoy the Euros. Even Klopp is on the beach with his fam.

3.) 30 Jun 2021 15:14:54
people still conflating outcome and intention.




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05 Jul 2021 09:04:47
I can't see how we don't get involved if he's available. Need a Gini replacement and one becomes available at the right price and age we have no excuses. He wouldn't be an instant starter but great depth at 6 and 8 then long term he absolutely would take over. Still loads of time left and usually I don't concern myself with it but have to say im a bit worried this window. Was hoping we'd go out and show real ambition to try win another league/ CL. Fingers crossed we pull 2 or 3 good players out of the bag.




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05 Jul 2021 09:17:13
Harrison is a better player than Wilson he'd be a full international too if we has Welsh.




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05 Jul 2021 00:16:02
I can understand Sancho because we have Salah there and Elliott returning but I’d be very disappointed if we sat on our hands again and let United get him when we badly need a midfielder. I thought they’d be looking for almost triple the €30m. If we want a crack at the title we need to get moving Klopp would want new players to have a good pre season.


{Ed0666's Note - this guy is just pure potential but someone
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02 Jul 2021 17:46:50
Appreciate everything Origis done. But it was all 2 years ago. He’s simply not good enough. Was more a dig at us overpricing players again according to the report.





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02 Jul 2021 12:23:21
Firmino and Ings isn’t good enough to win a league or a CL. Either would be a good backup to a top striker though.




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01 Jul 2021 21:28:17
Absolutely not entitlement. We’ve won ONE premier league and CL with this squad and put up a piss poor defence of both, it’s not even worth getting into our cup results. We’ve hardly built a dynasty like old Liverpool/ United teams or like City are doing etc. Could very quickly turn into back to back trophyless seasons. I’d hate to look back on this squads as underachievers because there’s no ambition from above, just happy to compete and be up there, if we came 2nd next season i promise you’d it’d somehow be passed off as a good season.




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01 Jul 2021 19:57:11
It’s almost the same team on paper. That’s it. Some players have declined. Firmino shouldn’t be starting he’s not good enough to be first choice upfront to win the title or CL anymore. Need a new 9. Mane ended the season well be he was very poor for most of it but we have Jota to rotate with him at least. Henderson is injury prone. Milner is past it. Gini is gone. We need a CM to be first 11 with Thiago and Fabinho and be careful with Henderson’s minutes. You’d swear having squad depth is a bad thing. Matip and Keita are both never fit. Ox, Minamino, Neco, Shaqiri, Origi not good enough as squad players, obviously we aren’t going to change that much but there seems to be this idea we because won one CL and our first PL we completed football. It’ll be 2030 and some will still want the same 11 because they won the title in 2020. if West Ham signed Malen and Neuhaus no one would bat an eye.




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01 Jul 2021 17:39:03
I must have missed us spending in 2019 Flash! Wonder what the excuse will be in 2022, I agree we need a starting striker. Kane and Haaland seemingly available we’ll probably get Malen at best.




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01 Jul 2021 00:00:38
Jones got plenty of games last season for where he’s at. I don’t think he needs more. He’d be a good 5th choice midfielder. I don’t think he’s a ‘Klopp midfielder’ not yet anyway i think he’s better further forward getting into the box and trying to create, not doing dog work and getting it wide to a fullback (I have a feeling he scores vs Norwich first game all the same) . Edwards needs to get Origi and Shaqiri gone he should have last summer.