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23 Nov 2024 10:03:59
Tchouameni plus £21m for TAA is doing the rounds. I can almost hear Ed2's voice ringing in my ear, castigating me about how difficult swap deals are.
1.) 23 Nov 2024 12:04:39
Oh I feel ya.
2.) 23 Nov 2024 12:32:02
Why would Real give money and a player valued at 50-80 mil to sign a player that they can get for free 6 months later.
3.) 23 Nov 2024 12:33:16
They can sign him for free in just over a months time!
4.) 23 Nov 2024 12:41:35
What was it he’d say? ‘Someone on twitter teasing you’ ?.
5.) 23 Nov 2024 13:46:25
Sounds like a great deal for us if TAA won’t sign… don’t see why Madrid would do it.
6.) 23 Nov 2024 17:39:50
I'm having flashbacks to the Fat Kid from Bolton era West Darby.
7.) 23 Nov 2024 18:22:41
I just read it and felt I needed to post it as homage. It is a ridiculous story but I hope the big guy is smiling down on us as he reads it!
8.) 23 Nov 2024 18:30:26
Me too.
9.) 23 Nov 2024 19:24:26
As most people have been pointing out it would be a ridiculous move by Madrid.
I know they have a bit of a defensive crisis and no right-back so would like to take Trent in January but even so, they aren’t going to give us a £100M package for somebody who they could get for free in the summer.
10.) 24 Nov 2024 03:35:39
As someone famous here used to say, "I think someone is pulling your chain mate" *wink* YNWA.
11.) 24 Nov 2024 08:52:29
Stetienne keep posting them mate.
My reply was aimed at the Context of the story and not at you mate.
12.) 24 Nov 2024 09:17:58
I don’t really rate Tchouameni, what’s the appeal?
13.) 24 Nov 2024 10:48:22
Thanks JK, I am not that precious that I took it personally and had hoped that was your sentiment.
Always difficult to convey emotion in words and easily misinterpreted, so I try and envisage all eventualities and scenarios.
The rumour has absolutely zero traction for me, just to be clear lol.
14.) 24 Nov 2024 16:23:45
unfortunately, as ed002 isn't here to quash the rumor, i'll have to believe that it has some legs
and i can explain why it may be possible
- RM needs a RB
- LFC wouldn't want to lose a key player on a free, especially to RM (Steve Mac 2.0 anyone? )
- AT was someone we had some interest in few seasons ago
- AT is not having a good time at RM
- LFC missed out on a MF in the summer
- because having some fee and player swap will help us feel better if TAA does really leave us, so we want to believe it
- because someone (dont know who though) reported it
- because there is no RTFP to read
so yea, i'm going to believe it! >, -.
15.) 24 Nov 2024 20:30:30
Rtfp glifnard.
16.) 25 Nov 2024 06:15:13
I'd go for Camavinga and not Tchouameni. Camavinga seems to be similar to Gravenberch and were Slot to want to play the double 6 (as he has done in the past with other teams), Camavinga is Slot's type of player and would slot in quite easily. ?.
17.) 25 Nov 2024 08:33:44
Didnt they try to buy Mbappe with only 6 months left? and didn't get him?
18.) 25 Nov 2024 13:30:50
We absolutely need to get additional player to play a 6.
I always rate Endo, but with the team's current style of playing, the team will have to adapt to him when he play. He is too different from Grav.
Any injury to Grav, while we can have (existing) players coming in, w will suffer unless we adjust the way we play too. Just ask City. how not adjusting the playing style but attempting to do a like for like with another lower level player.
Back to Endo, the adjustment is too big to expect of him.
Thus, another player is a big bug must.
Even if we do not really in fact rely on this player and say Grav stays healthy, it will help refresh the team after a hopefully successful year.
28 Mar 2023 12:10:29
Seems that a number of Dutch critics are being quite vocal about VVD. Probably with some justification.
Time for him to answer in the best way possible, on the pitch!
1.) 28 Mar 2023 12:59:37
He doesn’t seem to take criticism well. He needs a massive kick up the arse imo. Deserves to be dropped but we don’t Have anyone to take his position unfortunately.
2.) 28 Mar 2023 13:08:20
He is past it and has become a liability but is still better than any of our other defenders. We are in a bit of trouble back there tbh my local under 12’s could cut through our defence with ease so it’s no surprise we have had such a shocker this season.
3.) 28 Mar 2023 13:15:44
We should sell Virgil and sign Gvardiol in my opinion. Be ruthless and move forward. Fabinho too. Their forms fallen off a cliff and at their age it's more or less sell now, or lose for nothing later.
4.) 28 Mar 2023 14:24:13
If you watch the game Van Basten is moaning about France one he's not at fault for any of the goals, yes he deserves criticisms because by his elite standards he's been poor this year but the game there on about he literally could do nothing about any of the goals.
5.) 28 Mar 2023 14:46:37
Sell VVD but not Matip/ Gomez?
Or sell VVD and Matip/ Gomez?
That’s a lot of replacements at central defence if it’s the latter, coupled with the overhaul of the midfield.
Do some people think this is football manager?
6.) 28 Mar 2023 15:01:57
Criticism of our defence is completely justified they have been awful on many occasions but are they any worse the the rest apart from Alison.
The protection from the midfield gone awol and press from the front poor.
It’s not individuals it’s the poor tactics we are pushing that the players are struggling to adapt too.
7.) 28 Mar 2023 15:33:43
I don't agree that we should sell him - yet. I agree that he's been poor this season but I don't think his issues are physical.
I wonder if he's had a decent psychologist working with him since the bad injury. He may well have got through last season adrenaline but I wonder if he's really done the psychological work to get over that injury.
The constant "we're not robots" narrative appears to be seeping out of all corners of the squad. Clearly the squad are doubting themselves. Something that Klopp needs to get on top of asap.
8.) 28 Mar 2023 16:08:42
I did a quick tabulation.
Errors leading to goals in liverpool premier league's games.
Expectedly, TAA top the chart.
VVD is actually nor far behind.
I think he is past his best, no doubt.
He is probably still a better paring for either of the remaining 3 CB. So, I say sell Matip, and get a top class replacement so that VVD can be phased out.
Beside, TAA's problem need to be first resolved.
9.) 28 Mar 2023 16:29:33
it makes me laugh when everyone says sell this player or sell that player, For every player that leaves or is sold it means another has to come in to replace them. plus if you rip th eheart out of a team in one go it will take time to recover and build that ethic again, This is where we have failed in not bringing in 2 players a year in and replacing gradually. We won't be able to replace the whole midfield and then the whole defence which a lot of folk sound like they want. Hopefully we will get some players in over the summer but VVD won't be sold or Trent. YNWA.
10.) 28 Mar 2023 16:43:25
Sell Matip and get Ndicka on a free would be my next choice, Gingerlfc. I'd actually be happy with that to be honest.
Signing Gvardiol is not feasible by selling Matip or Gomez though is it. Come on. That's a very silly suggestion. Neither of them will be valued at much more than £10-20m and their wages aren't as high as Virgil's either. Plus they're effectively 3rd and 4th choice for us. Why would Gvardiol come to be 3rd or 4th choice? Konate or Virgil would have to go and as Gvardiol is better on the left side Van Dijk makes more logical sense. Even then it might not be enough, such is the high valuation of Gvardiol.
If anyones been playing football manager it's you mate. Sounds like you've been putting in cheats as well if you're getting enough money for Matip to sign Gvardiol!
Personally I don't rate any of our centre backs. Konate could come good if he stays fit and puts a run together to iron out all the mistakes. Gomez and Phillips are bang average. Virgil and Matip are past it. It's not really sensible to change them all in one summer, but if Gvardiol was the incoming player only Virgil makes sense as the player to make way.
11.) 28 Mar 2023 18:03:11
Let's give Virgil our backing he as been brilliant for our club and can get back to his best, he had a really bad injury when he did his ACL but let's not chuck him under the bus, also maybe not having a regular partner like Konate who picks up niggles and misses games as effected virgil as well. Virgil cand become great again, also any defender can look bad when the protection in front is bad and let's face it our defence as had none from players like Fabinho, Virgil is a great player and will get back to his best, let's back him.
12.) 28 Mar 2023 18:47:37
Matip for N’Dicka a couple of Midfielders to replace Ox and Keita and then see how we get on next season after a proper rest and pre-season. Then swap out players as needed in the following windows. I think too much too soon could be counter productive.
I think the comment about someone’s U12’s team cutting open Liverpool’s defence sounds like it’s come from an U12 year old by the way. Very childish comment.
13.) 28 Mar 2023 18:48:50
I am with you Mighty. I think he and perhaps a couple of other players need some psychological help this summer.
14.) 28 Mar 2023 18:49:22
Your argument is very strong @MK. For certain I will sell Fabinho. He is finished and I don’t see how anyone wants to give him another year. On VVD he is on a declining path but his game can be managed as he is vocal, leader and still has got a bit in him. We need to sigh Gvardiol regardless mate.
15.) 28 Mar 2023 18:58:40
Sorry to have say this but VVD and matip have had to cover a right back that has lost his way and they are being left to look over the hill until that is sorted no center backs would be able to keep out forwards or long balls over our right full backs shoulder from any team.
16.) 28 Mar 2023 19:06:07
If its a case of if you have a bad season you are sold, then we might as well sell the whole team and start again. Not one player has shown any fight or that they deserve to be there.
We just need to get to the end and start again. I don't agree with getting rid of VVD, he is still a brilliant player, as is Trent.
Let reset bring in a couple of players and see where we are. I would like to see Trent moved into midfield though with a new RB coming in.
17.) 28 Mar 2023 20:18:02
Having grown up with Crazy Horse, Jockey, Lawro etc, I can categorically say that even at 75% of his peak, Virgil is still our greatest Centre Back and one of the world’s best. Love that Gvardiol grew up a Red with his Dad, but the ideal scenario would be to pay his release clause in summer ‘24. Virgil can switch to the right if needs be, but will still be up there.
{Ed025's Note - crazy horse was a midfielder, i dont know who jockey is and lawro was half decent joe, hansen and hyypia were far better than VVD for me mate..
18.) 28 Mar 2023 20:27:06
Last 6 premier league games aggregate goal difference is 13-1 so chill out guys. We need 2 midfielders to press and help the defence in the summer - spend all the transfer kitty + sales proceeds on 2 midfielders. Sort out the defence the following Jan or summer 2024 or at most sell Matip and bring in one central defender if funds allow.
19.) 28 Mar 2023 20:49:29
Thanks Ed 25. Always enjoy your comments and good natured views at our “ socialist moral crusade”. Incidentally, I thought Fat Rat and Paul McGrath were the best centre backs of the 80s and either would be a perfect partner with VVD in an all time X1.
{Ed025's Note - hi joe, Paul McGrath cant enter that race for me mate because of his injury record, Franz Beckenbauer was the best i have ever seen closely followed by the late great Bobby Moore and Brian Labone, im afraid them 3 make VVD look like Harry Maguire..
20.) 28 Mar 2023 22:34:17
I think Jockey is Alan Hansen Ed 25 ??.
{Ed025's Note - oh right, never heard him called that mate, maybe its because he is a sweaty sock?..
21.) 29 Mar 2023 01:18:23
You people are crazy! We had an horrendus season filled with a lot of injuries, loss of form, fatigue, the loss of a key player (Mane), New players coming in, noises about selling the club and really bad luck in front of the goal.
We have to support the players and we don't need to sell our key players only those that don't play much.
We need a replacement for Keita and OX because both are leaving on free. Firmino replacement is Gakpo so we don't need any new forward. The defense it's ok unless Gomez wants to leave or Matip wants a new challenge we don't need any new defender. Milner contract should be renew because the experience and passion he brings to this team is irreplaceble.
My favorites choices to replace OX and Keita are Bellingham and Mason Mount.
22.) 29 Mar 2023 02:31:45
Who is fat rat?
23.) 29 Mar 2023 07:59:15
“ Signing Gvardiol is not feasible by selling Matip or Gomez though is it. Come on. That's a very silly suggestion. ”
Not my suggestion though is it?
You’re the only one suggesting selling VVD and signing Gvardiol here.
As pointed out that either means NOT selling Matip/ Gomez which would be weird to keep them if we’re going to sell a centreback or 2 OR selling VVD AND Matip/ Gomez which means having to replace 2/ 3 centrebacks in the same summer as a midfield overhaul. So yea that sounds like football manager type fantasy stuff.
But you knew exactly what I was saying and went ahead and tried to misrepresent me anyhow.
24.) 29 Mar 2023 07:09:17
Emlyn Hughes was a Defender Ed 25.He could play anywhere as Shanks once famously said, and did play sometimes in midfield. but for Liverpool and England he more often or not played left back or left half. Early days and then settled playing left side of a back 2.But you will find that Emlyn Hughes as the Liverpool and England Captain was a centre back. for England he took Booby Moore's places at the back and as Captain.
Another stat for you he was the most capped England player throughout the seventies and that was even with him being dropped by Don Revie for 2 years.
One of my favourite players and a born leader. could say some silly things at times, but he was a great player and captain.
{Ed025's Note - i seen him more as a defensive midfielder woh but i could be mistaken, loved his energy and enthusiasm....but when he came out with his infamous "liverpool are magic everton are tragic" speech in 1977 he became figure of hate for the blues fans, there was no need for it mate and things like that contributed to the divide between reds and blues in the city, that european night should have been about liverpool and liverpool only, i always seen him as a 24 carat prick after that..
25.) 29 Mar 2023 10:07:02
I agree Gingerlfc. Selling vvd for Gvardiol is a huge risk considering the other 3 centre backs are massively injury prone.
VVD deserves another season. He’s not been great but no one bar alisson has this season has been. I like Gvardiol but as someone else suggested, we need to fix our midfield first and that should be a priority. If VVDs form continues then fine we should look to sell but for now I think/ hope he can recover with some more protection in front of him.
26.) 29 Mar 2023 14:58:04
Emlyn was only reiterating what the had Kop sang about EFC for years before he said that.
27.) 30 Mar 2023 09:27:40
amazing how quick people here will turn on our own players.
also amazingly immature and naïve to then also jump to conclusions about a player's character, mentality etc etc.
{Ed025's Note - i think you have to say what you see faith, if a player dives all the time then he is a serial cheat, one who doesn,t chase back to help his teammates is a lazy sod, and if they keep missing chances then they are just crap, that ethos has got me though life mate..
28.) 30 Mar 2023 20:06:18
I think some of the comments on here are just mental
I think the problem that the team are suffering from is that when our best players have a dip in form which a lot of top top players do from time to time we have no one of the same quality to step in to give them a rest and let them get mentally and physically be the best version of themselves . I just think the team has had 3 seasons of finishing a point behind city after giving their absolute all nearly getting the holy grail last year and playing every game available the physical and mental fatigue in that alone . It’s effected us as a team and a few of the generals in the team are not at their best and it’s affecting everyone. Squad needs a freshen up not a major overhaul in 1 window let’s refresh over a few windows to try keep some constants going.
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11 Jan 2025 16:37:53
Is anyone here good at stats? Just wondering what Danns goals per minute ratio is at the moment? Compared to Salah and Nunez (for opposite ends of the spectrum) .
Then narrow it down further to goals per shot.
I think it will be frightening numbers.
1.) 11 Jan 2025 17:16:52
Danns' sample set at senior level is too small for it to be relevant imo.
2.) 11 Jan 2025 17:34:55
Danns has 3 goals in 107 minutes of football for us which stems across the League, CL, Fa cup and League cup.
Amazingly all 3 goals have come in Fa Cup.
So he has 3 goals in 45 fa cup minutes.
3.) 11 Jan 2025 18:56:50
Mate, he has only played 3 or 4 games for the senior team. Relax with the stats. The sample size of 3 or 4 games is insignificant if you are looking for tangible results.
4.) 11 Jan 2025 18:58:51
Really hope Danns gets more opportunities. He did really well last season before his injury. Looks cool in front of goal and makes good decisions. Still early days of course but I think he has a lot of potential.
{Ed025's Note - nice kid as well Mic..
5.) 11 Jan 2025 21:24:55
So let’s not use stats for Danns because I agree, the results are skewed heavily in his favour.
But Nunez? What would his stats look like? Hideous, yet he gets chance after chance and game after game. And defended because he works hard. Like Robbie said today “working hard is the minimum requirement”.
6.) 11 Jan 2025 22:06:24
Do you know the family Ed025?
{Ed025's Note - i do Barry, his dad Neil is a very good friend of mine and i have known Jayden since he was a baby mate, they are a very nice family and i had a drink with Neil and Tony Bellew on boxing day as i usually do, we are all very close and have been for years..
7.) 11 Jan 2025 22:43:29
Good to hear ed. Traditional is getting lost in this country. Fingers crossed for Jayden.
{Ed025's Note - they have a very good crew mark and have stayed together since they were kids mate, very respectful and really good company, young Jayden has a very good chance of making it imo..
8.) 11 Jan 2025 23:41:51
Ed25, you sound like a big shot in Merseyside mate. Close to Danns family, Tony Bellew and working with Trent before.
{Ed025's Note - lol not really mate, i have only met Trent once and now that the other lads dont live in the city i dont see as much of them as i used to..
9.) 12 Jan 2025 01:04:11
Sounds like a nice family Ed025 and hopefully Jayden will make it at Liverpool. By the sounds of it his family will keep his feet on the ground.
{Ed025's Note - hopefully Barry but you know what teenagers are like mate...do as the bloody well like.. :)
10.) 12 Jan 2025 01:12:12
We knew the grandad “neil” he was talented too really nice fella haven’t seen him in years. My brother in law lived next door to them. He was something like world bmx champion then had a go at skateboarding and became European champion could be getting titles mixed up but done brilliant.
{Ed025's Note - thats right John a very talented family, and you should hear them on the Karaoke as well...its just not fair mate.. :)
11.) 12 Jan 2025 01:41:40
It's good to see Ed025 rooting for a Liverpool player. Hopefully you wear Jayden shirt and support us Ed025 ?.
{Ed025's Note - that wont happen stg, but if Everton cant win something then i still want Liverpool to mate..
09 Jan 2025 09:48:53
Jota needs to be sold while we can still get a fee for him. Cannot pass, rarely available and takes 5/ 6 games to get back up to speed after an injury.
The guy seems more focused on his FIFA ranking than his employment, like some teenage stoner sat at home on his PlayStation!
1.) 09 Jan 2025 10:19:52
The problem is, the longer we wait to make signings that are desirable (like replacing Jota), the more singings become necessary and push them down the list.
Jaros, Kelleher, Trent, Virgil, Konate, Robertson and Salah all have contracts expiring in less than 18 months. That's 7 players, and 5 of them are starters.
I don't think Diaz will stay much longer either but that is just my opinion. Rumours are swirling again that he's not happy with contract negotiations and would like to go to Barcelona. Could be nonsense of course but I do think there's some truth to the story.
Marmadashvili was a good signing in my opinion to future proof the goalkeeping department because Kelleher and Jaros are liekly not going to sign new deals, and Alisson is noticeably declining (if not in terms of ability, certainly in terms of availability) .
It's got to the point where the guys we should be looking at replacing as a desirable upgrade are going to be put on the back burner because there's too much to do in just replacing our star players.
The rebuild was always going to be required but we just keep kicking the can down the road instead of doing things gradually. It could bite us at some point if it carries. I've defended the club and their slow progress in the transfer market/ contract negotiations so far, but we're are reaching a point where questions have to start being asked. I was all for giving Hughes and Edwards time, but it's been 6 months now and things need sorting or it could start to derail things on the pitch which are going so well.
2.) 09 Jan 2025 10:35:24
Agreed MK. I was all for giving them time but it has been nothing short of disappointing so far. Minimally, the contracts should have been sorted out by now and yet here we are, less than 6 months left to their expiry and still no discernible progress. I'm not sure what Edwards' role is in all this and whether he is employed by FSG or by Liverpool FC. But Hughes and Ward are making a mess of things and I feel that this off-field issues have started to affect the players.
3.) 09 Jan 2025 11:03:28
Does anyone know what time Jota is on the PlayStation today. My son is hoping to give him a game that’s all.
I’m guessing there is a website where we track his movements at home?
4.) 09 Jan 2025 11:21:12
We signed four midfielders the summer before last. Three of them are regular starters.
Do we give the three new contracts and replace them?
5.) 09 Jan 2025 11:30:13
Yeah MK, I also see Diaz on his way soon as well and to be fair I wouldn't be too bothered because it seems like he's always wanted to be in Spain and used us as a stepping stone so he can go for me. I think the summer window can get quite busy for us with both ins and outs.
6.) 09 Jan 2025 12:59:41
Agreed about Diaz, won’t be here much longer and to be fair to the lad I don’t blame him….1 of the best players we have and if reports of his wages are even roughly correct I’d be mighty peeved too. Good luck to the guy wherever he ends up.
7.) 09 Jan 2025 13:32:42
Great analysis that MK. I do really like Diaz, even if he’s used in rotation rather than a guaranteed starter and hope we can keep him. His pace, skill and directness would cost a lot to replace even if his decision making is a bit hit and miss. I can’t see Barcelona paying much of a fee so he could end up running his contract down as well if that’s where he wants to go.
31 Dec 2024 20:01:52
Happy New Year and I wish for everyone to have a prosperous 2025!
Thanks Eds for all the hard work and not going insane with the repetitive, anal and moronic posts you can be subjected to (yes, from me! . and others)
{Ed001's Note - HNY to you too St EA.}
09 Dec 2024 11:10:52
Curtis Jones versus Tottenham 2023 - red card.
Moises Caicedo versus Tottenham 2024 - not a red card because of lack of intensity.
They're literally making it up as they go along!
1.) 09 Dec 2024 13:00:57
Same for the hair pull last Season compared to last week and both incidents on the same player.
Refs don’t lay the letter of the law the same.
Surely they should be watching each others games and seeing what each one is doing.
I suppose it’s too hard to ask them to watch games outside of theirs as well as trying to organise Cocaine parties.
2.) 09 Dec 2024 13:38:07
Don’t définitions and laws change at the start of each season? I will say that the ref was very lenient in the first half letting go of half a dozen incidents which tends to happen in big games/ derbies. second half ref was blowing for every minor thing and cards were out.
I see you didn’t point out that the ref didn’t give a red card for the elbow by Kulusevski, guess that was a mistake on your end and not anything to do with bias.
3.) 09 Dec 2024 14:37:02
Fusée - It was not a mistake. I was comparing apples to apples, admittedly Jones’s Granny Smith was softer than Caicedo’s cooking apple.
The fact Caicedo rolled around feigning injury afterwards should also be ignored, I guess.
Not sure what relevance Kulusevski has to the comparison?
4.) 09 Dec 2024 14:41:01
That pair of c*nts had just come back from reffing a game in Saudi.
5.) 09 Dec 2024 16:14:28
Even worse than that Vango. It was the UAE. Guess who the deputy PM of the UAE is? None other than the Man City owner. And guess who the chief executive of the “company” is who sponsor the UAE football league is? None other than the chief executive of Man City. You don’t even need to scratch the surface that hard to find a perception of corruption.
6.) 09 Dec 2024 16:20:15
"Moises Caicedo versus Tottenham 2024 - not a red card because of lack of intensity. "
Really, a lack of intensity? Wow, that's a new one from the PGMOL repertoire of hapless phrases to explain latent incompetence.
{Ed025's Note - yet when Jones done much worse you were all up in arms about him being sent off Oli, go figure..
7.) 09 Dec 2024 16:21:42
ViktorVaughan, are you accusing the City owner and CEO of a clear and present conflict of interest? Surely, you can't be serious.
8.) 09 Dec 2024 17:46:12
It's conspiracy time again ?.
9.) 09 Dec 2024 17:50:49
StEtienne I pointed out why one was a red and one wasn’t. With Kulusevski I was just pointing out the victim syndrome going on, whereby anything that can’t be used to paint Liverpool as victims of a corrupt regime are to be ignored as it doesn’t fit the narrative.
10.) 09 Dec 2024 16:51:03
Jones’s wasn’t much worse though Ed25 that’s the point. His was a block tackle and momentum took his foot over the ball, there was no intent whatsoever.
Caicedo’s was a late tackle that caught him high on the shin but it was a kick rather than a stamp.
I don’t think either were red cards to be honest. Both yellows but neither were violent or over aggressive. The problem is if you freeze frame them it looks like they are trying to take their legs off.
A red card has to be for something serious we’re a player has intentionally been violent or over aggressive and endangered the safety of another player. Neither Jones’s nor Caicedo’s were that.
The game’s gone soft.
{Ed025's Note - it has gone soft BP you are right, but for me Caicedo tried to pull out whereas Jones was full on even though it was not deliberate mate, its the bias of some supporters that gets me..
11.) 09 Dec 2024 17:20:35
Ed25, Jones (like Bissouma) actually got the ball first and full on and his foot skid over the ball and rolled into Bissouma's leg. How is that worse than what Caicedo did, exactly?
{Ed025's Note - Caicedo tried to pull out Oli...Jones followed trough, my problem is that you are so tribal mate and Liverpool players can do no wrong whereas other teams players are thugs in your mind, all i ask for is consistency..
12.) 09 Dec 2024 18:31:53
Aren’t we saying Jones shouldn’t have been a red, therefore it’s good Caicedo wasn’t given a red?
Like do we want the refs to continue applying the same error?
13.) 09 Dec 2024 18:43:57
Ed 25 is completely right on this. This being victims in football is really cringe and needs to stop.
No wonder other teams fans call us out on it.
14.) 09 Dec 2024 18:25:28
I think that's what we are asking for Ed, consistency. One got a red, the other didn't. That isn't consistent. I know which of those tackles is going to do more damage and it isn't the one that got a red card. You can't blame every gripe from reds fans on being tribal. That would be like accusing you of being bitter or blinkered when it comes to us reds! That isn't correct all of the time.
{Ed025's Note - thats never the case SS, of course these incidents are subjective but we have to be fair mate, now im no Chelsea fan..far from it but i have explained how i see the two incidents mate and im impartial..
15.) 09 Dec 2024 19:35:23
Ed25, me being tribal? So anyone who disagrees with you and gives actual substance to their argument/ opinion, is tribal now. You literally did not address the fact that Jones slipped over the ball which made the tackle on Bissouma look worse. Yet Im tribal for calling that out. As for calling others thugs? Sorry, you must have me mixed up with someone else.
Now remember that for Curtis, the ref initially gave a yellow to Jones in real time and it was the VAR who gave the ref a freeze frame of the play (something they are NOT supposed to do) that that influenced the ref. But hey, I guess Im tribal for using the facts of the actual incident and the actual rules to explain my disagreements.
Also keep in mind, that when VVD got rightfully sent off at Newcastle last season, I did NOT defend him. Also a couple of years ago, I agreed with you on this very forum that VVD should have been sent off for stamping on Onana's ankle at Goodison and you acknowledged it, fact. So much for being tribal with those receipts, right?
{Ed025's Note - listen Oli even though we dont agree all the time i do usually respect your posts as i think you do bring some good stuff to the table, but at times you are very outspoken and fail to see anyone else,s point of view. look there is nothing wrong with being a bit biased towards your own team mate we are all guilty of that at times, all i am asking is for a bit of perspective..peace..
16.) 09 Dec 2024 19:48:43
@Negative, so those of us who speak their minds in a way you disagree with is us playing the victims? Mate unlike you, I don't care what other LFC or rival fans think about me. They are free to speak their minds as much I am free to speak my mind on topics.
It's called engaging in honest debate and if you are scared of what people will think of your words and deeds then, that's not a life I want anything to do with cos I don't live my life based on what makes others comfortable. Nor their validation.
17.) 09 Dec 2024 20:09:00
Nice to see an apparent Liverpool fan using a minor variation on "always the victims".
18.) 09 Dec 2024 20:02:10
Ed you said Jones followed through but in the same sentence you said it wasn’t deliberate. How can it be both?
If he intentionally followed through on to Bissouma’s leg then absolutely it’s a red card. In reality though he literally had nowhere else to put his foot down and it was unfortunate that Bissouma’s leg was there. You can’t send someone off for a complete accident. Otherwise every time someone goes up for a header and catches someone with an elbow it would have to be a red card. Not intentional but elbow in the face nevertheless. We see incidents like that in every game and it’s never a red card.
This isn’t a Liverpool thing. I said the same about Bruno Fernandes when he got sent off and he’s probably my least favourite player.
People are way too quick to call for red cards these days but it’s a contact sport and we want to see tackles. Red cards should be reserved for violence or over aggression resulting in a danger to the opponent. Not accidental collisions and every late tackle.
Caicedo’s is not a red in my mind but neither is Jones’s or Bruno’s.
{Ed025's Note - as i said BP i dont think the Jones tackle was deliberate mate but he slipped and caused him to follow through, it looked worse than it was imo but the fact was he was out of control, some might disagree and i can live with that..
19.) 09 Dec 2024 20:49:34
Fair enough Ed. I wish I was a Premier League ref I’d have them playing football like it was in the 80s.
I hate the way the game has been sanitised with all the play acting and whinging that goes on. Both on and off the pitch.
Remember when Vinny Jones literally tried to decapitate Steve McMahon in the first minute of an FA Cup final? He didn’t roll around asking for a red card. He just got up and got on with the game.
Oh the good old days ??.
{Ed025's Note - bring them days back i say BP, yes it was physical but a lot more enjoyable i would say mate, imagine the likes of Grealish up against Souness, or Saka being marked by Tommy Smith, or even a midfield dual between Norman Hunter and Richarlison, they would be wearing a suit of armour i imagine.. :)
20.) 09 Dec 2024 21:13:53
For me once u go over the top of the ball and connect with opponent leg it should be a red, regardless of force r not. I'd give both jones + caicedo reds, neither maybe meant it but v easily both couldve been leg breaking challenges.
21.) 09 Dec 2024 21:56:10
I half think caicedo I is a dirty player. That’s not rose tinted or anything. And as for that elbow what was the ref thinking? That was a nailed on red for me. Even Solanke winced watching it. I like lavia btw why we didn’t just get him last summer.
22.) 09 Dec 2024 22:13:59
@Oli I do actually respect most of your posts. I wasn't trying to put any blame on you. I meant as a collective.
It's like the boy who cried wolf with a high percentage of our fans.
I personally don't agree with this victim mentality that seems to affect the fan base.
We're all entitled to our opinions I am probably the most hated poster on here with some of my views.
I do appreciate some of the leeway I get as am not as smart as you and the other posters when typing.
Id never outright upset anyone on here on purpose I think some of my words get lost in translation if that makes sense.
Let's enjoy the season. We're ahead of where I thought we would be and long may it continue.
23.) 09 Dec 2024 22:44:20
Of course you can be sent off for an accident and VAR use freeze frames all the time.
24.) 10 Dec 2024 02:25:44
Definitely not the most hated Walter mate, up there with one of my favourites that's for sure. Don't worry about what you have to say - it's your opinion and it doesn't matter what others think.
25.) 09 Dec 2024 23:10:42
Your as impartial as me Ed! I'm no Spurs fan, but I think it was a red. though I'm not sure that adds any legitimacy to my opinion.
I think your in the minority in thinking Caicedo shouldn't be a red. Where as the Jones one was massively split. And considering how much everyone tells us liverpool are despised, or always the victims, you would feel that some of those thinking Jones was a red, may just be being tribal! I'd suggest if Jones wasn't playing for Liverpool your opinion may be even more impartial!
{Ed025's Note - i dont think thats actually true SS, i give Liverpool plenty of praise and have taken their players side on many occasions, yes im a blue but i think im pretty fair when it comes down to it mate, yes i have a bit of banter at times but dont let that cloud the fact that i am impartial in the main..
26.) 10 Dec 2024 07:48:53
It comes across as tribal when people are comparing it to a Liverpool red card from over twelve months ago. And the conspiracy theories make it even worse.
Can't we accept that all teams get bad decisions against them?
27.) 10 Dec 2024 08:51:42
Listen both caicedo and kulevsevski were 3 of the easiest red cards a referee will ever get reason they keep letting that go is because they let too much go why has mobbing not been penalised also the 6secs for a keeper before he kicks the ball into play nail it then they will get less hassles later on thy bring it on themselves.
28.) 10 Dec 2024 11:34:13
In fairness Jones won the ball but slid over it - looked much worse in real time than it actually was and thus this was the criticism of VAR at the time - VAR should have spotted this and advised the ref to review it
The Caicedo one again catches him right on the shin - looked bad and we have seen reds for that, but in fairness to the guy he tried to pull out - yellow probably fair, don't think many would have argued with a red though, one of those subjective ones that could have went either way tbh but I mean have we not criticised VAR and the officials for not spotting things like that before? Or accounting for whether the intent was there?
The Kuleveski one looked worse tbh though, clear elbow that clearly rocked the fella yet not even looked at? That was one of the clearest reds we have seem imo
I like a bit of physicality in games, a good crunching tackle is great - some take the man out too yeah, but won the ball fair and square so i've no bother with those - the awkward thing for me is all the throwing themselves to the ground over the slightest touch that is an issue that needs clamped down upon, we want cards issued fairly and consistently.
26 Nov 2024 19:21:43
Sky are obsessed with grilling Slot about contracts, or posting about reporters who are grilling Slot about contracts.
Not sure I have ever seen a coach at the top of the league getting asked so little about how great his team are doing. Would they ever grill Pep about players out of contract? FSG need to help Slot and the team. They should tell their team of appointed negotiators that they need to start pulling rabbits out of the hat and get contracts signed (or not) before it starts affecting, or worse derailing our season.
As for the match officials on Sunday .
1.) 26 Nov 2024 20:14:03
Don’t knock it @StE, if it wasn’t contracts it’d be defensive midfielders ?.
2.) 26 Nov 2024 20:30:50
Yet it seems to be ALL that the fans want to talk about! On this site anyway.
3.) 26 Nov 2024 20:37:19
A good point but I reckon slot is happier to talk about that-seeing as they are easy enough to answer. “Of course I want the player to sign but its up to the club and agents”. Easy.
4.) 26 Nov 2024 20:40:42
Slot had a great line when asked about Mo “if you see my line-ups, he is more in than out”
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5.) 26 Nov 2024 22:30:39
Which part of questioning about contracts is wrong? Its the most pressing issue FSG and sleepy contract team need to sort out.
6.) 27 Nov 2024 00:46:09
Well said @Lee.
7.) 27 Nov 2024 08:25:02
CL game against Madrid tonight and the City game at the weekend are an inconvenience compared to the chance to moan about the contract situation.
8.) 27 Nov 2024 08:34:24
They should have asked Ronnie O’Sullivan about Salah’s contract then. Because Slot has as much input as Ronnie.
StEtienneAmen's rumour replies
14 Jan 2025 20:05:33
Telemicus - because we have needed a defensive central midfielder for over 5 transfer windows. That we were not even trying to sign Zubimendi is shambolic.
Who cares if he snubbed us once. So did Virgil and Salah. He is one of the best players in that position in the world and we are not trying to persuade him to join us. So yes, his reputation is on the line.
Gravenberch will not last all season, his crash will be spectacular when his stamina drops from playing every game, twice a week until the end of the season.
14 Jan 2025 17:07:31
I hear the pintxos in Islington is to die for.
14 Jan 2025 17:03:28
Kimmich for TAA is a true masterstroke. Absolute genius.
I pray this rumour has no truth in it but Kimmich’s name keeps being linked with us. It is terrifying. He will be useless in midfield in the EPL. As influential as Poulsen
He would be woeful at RB.
14 Jan 2025 17:00:24
Zubimendi to Arsenal. Hughes’ reputation is going downhill faster than Konrad Bartelski.
14 Jan 2025 09:03:22
I agree MKS, it’s a shame because I love Harvey.
I think his physicality can be offset by his determination. However, combined with his lack of pace makes him a peripheral player at best. And I am not sure he wants to be a peripheral player here.
Still have no idea of how Slot wants his midfield setup because he seems to be almost playing with Klopp’s midfield. Grav sitting at the base is a change in style but not personnel. Both McAllister and Szoboszlai being played out of position still. Weird how successive managers have not thought about swapping the latter two around.
StEtienneAmen's banter replies
14 Jan 2025 17:14:55
Apparently Odegaard, Merino and Zubimendi all played together at youth level, along with Isak.
Plus Arteta is Basque.
Sometimes we have to accept we are not the big draw we think we are.
14 Jan 2025 12:37:24
Danns is our most efficient striker. 3 goals in 45 minutes across four games. No idea what his shot to goal ratio is. How about we give the lad a chance before loaning him out?
Fowler wouldn’t have stood a chance here in this day and age. 5 goals on debut but too slow and overweight. Loan him out, Nunez will come good, plus he works hard.
13 Jan 2025 13:32:02
£150k per week is crazy money.
13 Jan 2025 09:13:42
I didn’t for one moment say which side I am on, or what I agreed with. I presented the situations, as they appeared and developed over time.
Some of you are rather quick on the defensive.
For example, no, I do not believe Caicedo bid was a smokescreen. Yes, I do think a lot of what Ornstein publishes is utter tripe.
And yes I do think the position we took re: the Super League was a disaster and it doesn’t matter how long ago it was. As for ticket price rises, when we have more seats and more corporate facilities than ever before, is an utter p-take.
12 Jan 2025 21:22:35
I don’t agree for one second that our business model for one second.
However VV is right. If JWH is ”invested in the club” emotionally, not financially, he is doing an extremely bad job of it it.
It is not solely to do with making money for transfers available. FSG have been an unmitigated PR disaster on so many levels. From the Super League to cost cutting, to ticket price increases.
So when we get these stories about “a bid for Caicedo but not from an official representative of LFC” or “we are monitoring developments regarding player A, B, C etc” are these more spin tales from across the pond to placate the masses?
The temptation of a teat to suckle on is sustenance for some, who gobble it down with relish and are immediately sated. Some take longer to persuade. Some sit on the fence. And other’s call it as they see it.
Neither is the wrong approach. And all cannot be necessarily right either. But all proclaim there way is the best.
The beauty of the site and why we come back day after day. To debate, to disagree and support the club we love with passion.