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03 May 2020 13:36:17
Good day Ed and Reds.
BBC Sport are running an article that clubs opposed to 'Project Restart' are prepared to play at neutral venues if the threat of relegation is lifted.
If this is correct, this seems telling for me.
It sort of feels as if the multitude of clubs that have been poor all season are not prepared to accept their failings and are almost using the current situation to avoid the drop? They seem to be dictating what may happen next?
What's the point of restarting if the season's conclusion can't be reached?
Have you any take on this Ed002 please? (Presuming it did start again - a rather large presumption too) .
{Ed002's Note - Although much of Friday was spent discussiong neutral venues the idea regarding relegation has not been discussed by the PL. There is no plan as to how the season will be concluded at this time. Everything may well be much clearer in one week.}
1.) 04 May 2020 08:14:53
I thought the same to an extent.
All clubs will be playing in neutral venues, all will be in the same boat.
If the "integrity of the league can't be maintained" then what's the point?
Perhaps it's to do with finances and honouring TV contracts - I don't pretend to know that's what it is.
Everyone looking out for their own interests. Understandably.
{Ed002's Note - The arguement is based on loss of home advantage - and that is proving to be consideration for a number of sides (including two of the top six). It is unrelated to money of TV contracts. But many clubs are not concerned about their own interests only.}
2.) 04 May 2020 19:28:30
Ed002 does the home advantage thing not kind of become irrelevant with the exclusion of fans.
{Ed002's Note - A decent number of clubs don’t think so.}
09 Jan 2019 05:59:14
Media speculation today that Comacho could move on to Sporting Lisbon in this window?
Is a subsequent move for a versatile right-sided player on the cards in January?
Suggestions?
1.) 09 Jan 2019 09:11:17
The loan is not strange but the length of time is, June 2020 and that is when his contract runs out according to Talksport. Looks like Camacho is going home.
2.) 09 Jan 2019 08:55:06
Pardon me for but are sporting lisbon and sporting CP the same club?
{Ed025's Note - yes mate..
3.) 09 Jan 2019 09:54:48
Is he getting a new contract or are we effectively releasing him?
4.) 09 Jan 2019 11:53:52
I would a assume he will sign a new contract before heading out!
15 Oct 2018 20:40:37
Is Mane injured whilst out on international duty as well now?
Broken thumb?
1.) 16 Oct 2018 13:06:23
Surely he could play with a broken thumb?
2.) 16 Oct 2018 16:55:37
He has no chance of being fit for a game of Subuteo anyway.
3.) 16 Oct 2018 18:29:00
The thumbs up/ down response to this seems a little insensitive to be honest.
Eds Note: The Thread that was here has now been moved to our Liverpool Other Posts Page.
1.) 20 Jun 2015 23:39:35
I wouldn't rule out the illuminati.
31 Jan 2014 11:36:22
The Guardian (no less) reporting that the redevelopment plans are moving forward apace.
Fingers crossed, there could be real progress this year, it all looks good to go if and when the demolition is done.
Only two owners, of four houses, still holding out.
Is that the two buy-to-let landlords that were supposedly going to sue the Council / LFC?
Maybe, just maybe, there will be spades in the ground before 2014 is out?
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06 Nov 2020 22:37:28
I'm not sure why there's such uproar and indignation at the possibility of selling Firmino next Summer.
There's the chance that we could need two first team starters over the upcoming two transfer windows. At centre back and in midfield to replace Wijnaldum, who presumably will leave on a free transfer.
Given that finances are again going to be much reduced, we might have to sell big to buy big.
We've seen the difficulty in trying to sell squad players if you like, so it might mean a change in the first XI personnel.
The only real place in the team with sufficient value and opportunity to change is the forward line.
I don't like the idea of it but I could see it happening for the greater good. Mane or Salah could move but, out of the three musketeers, I'd rather it were Firmino.
However it's going to a long and difficult season so we'll see what transpires.
{Ed025's Note - as ED002 keeps telling us juicer the players are just transient employees, there is very little loyalty in the game these days and players will do whats best for them and their bank balances in the main, we fans think they as loyal as us but thats very rarely the case mate but the game and the clubs move on..
1.) 07 Nov 2020 03:55:09
I'm sure a lot of players move for the money but if I recall correctly one of the Eds saying Bobby told Coutinho he was mad to leave Liverpool when all that was dragging on. He strikes me as pretty loyal guy. I know you don't rate him ed25 but he's a special player.
{Ed025's Note - its not that i dont rate him RTID, hes a good player who works his socks off and is an asset to the team, for me his finishing is poor and his effect on the team has been diminishing for a while now, maybe a rest would do him good and the jota effect could spur him on to better things mate..
2.) 07 Nov 2020 07:20:44
The one thing that I feel makes it hard to see firmino moving on next summer is the fact that his style of play is not one that all of the big sides will want in an attacker. He suits us so well that his market value that we rate him at would be higher than his value to other clubs. He's not a striker that guarantees to be prolific and deadly that teams will want for that kind of large fee. He's not young and realistically will only play at a high level for the length of a 4year contract. He's not running short on his deal with us, klopp adores him, he looks happy and settled with his Brazilian mates and front 3 partners also. We would not let him go for cheap so I can't see what club could take him next year by spending the money and then tempting him to leave us while klopp is content to see him move on. Madrid and Barcelona fans would never appreciate him from day 1, Bayern won't need to spend wildly when lewandowski and Muller still doing the business. PSG or Italian clubs would be a step down and I just don't see many clubs who are in the market for a hard working, selfless player who doesn't stand out as marquee name for the money we would demand. We never let any squad players go for less than a good deal so no chance we're going to let go of a key player who plays nearly every single game.
3.) 07 Nov 2020 08:49:51
How about we just keep him then and be rotated as part of a brilliant front four! Also we are likely to lose one of Salah or Mane soon so he can play with Jota. He doesn’t have blistering pace so his game is suited to someone entering his 30s. I’d rather we had these brilliant squad options than the drop off to the likes of Origi personally.
{Ed025's Note - im with you mate..
4.) 07 Nov 2020 08:55:33
Isn't Thiago meant to be Gini's replacement?
5.) 07 Nov 2020 08:58:48
OMG where is all this rubbish coming from. Is this the same Bobby who scored the winner the other week, have all the fickle fans got a new toy? If you want Bobby sold or dropped you must be a glory hunter and not a proper scouser.
6.) 07 Nov 2020 10:12:27
Isn’t it actually nice to know that after our first choice front three, there isn’t a massive drop off in quality? That we have good options in reserve? Jota will be pushing all three of our first choice front three. Really good player there and will prove to be a good signing.
7.) 07 Nov 2020 10:27:25
We have great squad depth now. Yes I agree my world class status’s can be argued against but it’s only my opinion.
Gk - world class. Back up - decent but can be erratic
Rb - world class. Back up - promising youngster
Lb- world class. Back up - can’t really comment but apparently has good calibre.
Centre half’s - 1 world class. 1 very good young international who will get better. 1 Who is good but can’t stay fit and then Phillips and Williams who have a chance to impress
Midfield - we have something like 8 midfielders for 3 positions and some of those are world class or outstanding in what they do.
Forwards - Mo and Mane world class. Mo- Mane- Bobby together are a world class front 3. Add Jota into that as well as an option and things couldn’t be brighter.
Only position we are currently short at is Centre half but that’s due to injuries which is unforeseen. This is the best squad we have had in over 30 odd years.
If anyone has time go back and look at Klopps first squad when he arrived. It’s absolutely mental the transformation he has taken us on.
8.) 07 Nov 2020 21:28:42
You're saying Bobby isn't a wortld class player in his own right jk? Oh, he definitely is mate.
{Ed025's Note - but you think every player that has ever wore the liverpool shirt is world class robbie..
9.) 07 Nov 2020 23:54:17
Personally, I don’t know where all this rubbish is coming from as to whether he should be sold or not just cos he is having a hard time in front of goal? I can understand why rival fans are whinding certain of our fans up about Bobbie (yeah, like they really want him to start scoring again, lol) but don’t understand all this stuff.
IMO, I just think it is fans seeing a shiny new toy in Jota and instead of just being happy with a top player bring added to the rotation to help out the front three (something we have been crying about for years), some are now turning one one of our stalwarts who helped push us to where we are now for the sake of the new toy. I find it disappointing, really.
10.) 08 Nov 2020 03:52:12
Agreed RM. Wholeheartedly.
11.) 07 Nov 2020 22:50:30
Maybe I get carried away now and then ed025, although for me hendo is now a wc cm, jota has to potential to become wc, and Bobby definitely is a world class footballer.
Van djike was asked, who was the best player he ever played with and he said firmino. I'll take his opinion on this, as they azctually play football together.
{Ed025's Note - to be fair to VVD he only had a liverpool player to pick from as he will hardly pick someone from celtic or southampton robbie, hendo has turned into a very good player and an excellent skipper but for me world class means that in a few years will we be lauding him up and saying "remember jordan henderson"..i think he falls short of that and so does bobby, but its subjective i suppose mate so maybe every player at liverpool is world class?..
30 Oct 2020 17:57:07
RIP to Manchester United and England hero and legend Nobby Stiles.
1.) 30 Oct 2020 19:03:22
Well said Juicer
Who can forget the smiling and jigging Nobby celebrating the amazing World Cup win.
R. I. P Nobby
YNWA.
29 Oct 2020 15:40:56
Do we know if Matip will be back for the weekend?
1.) 29 Oct 2020 16:18:56
He prob has a sore eye lash.
2.) 29 Oct 2020 17:47:10
A broken eye lash Jay man.
21 Oct 2020 10:50:15
Well, one thing that will likely emerge if Fabinho plays at centre back for a spell will be the high defensive line dropping back a good 10 yards or so I'd have thought?
It was risky enough with Gomez and Van Dijk, the two quickest central defenders in the PL, and as we saw, Villa tore Fabinho and the high line to shreds recently.
Who to play at the defensive / deeper midfielder though?
I like the look of Thiago more forward, so either Hendo or Wijnaldum I suppose?
Please Lord, no more injuries for a while.
1.) 21 Oct 2020 11:16:50
Juicer, I fully agree with that. Klopp already dropped the high line a few yard in the Everton game already so he could just stick with that until Big ALI is back and even so with Fab and Matip not blessed with Gomez-like pace, that may continue.
2.) 21 Oct 2020 11:37:24
Dont be surprised to see Klopp throw Williams or Phillips in tonight. Were in the middle of a hectic schedule for the players and everybody, including fabinho is going to need a rest every now and then.
3.) 21 Oct 2020 11:38:00
Apologies as this is a repost but the comment thread from earlier seems to have disappeared.
Its been a bit of a pity party on here the last few days or weeks even. Terible loss to Villa and a massive loss in VVD but they are done and gone. As our owners continue to look at changing the wheel of football a european league for me would absolutely ruin the game but the rich will get richer and its no longer the fans game.
On a more positive note what's everyone's team for tonight do we go full strength or give opportunities for the rest of the squad for me I'd personally go with.
Kelleher - I think this lad needs an opportunity in a high profile game. It will take Adrian out of the firing line for a bit and give this kid an opportunity.
TAA - even though i think he might need a rest i don't believe tonight is the night and hopefully he can play himself back into form
Gomez and Fab - With Matip injured i believe these will be our starting centre backs tonight
Tsimikas - this lad was brought in as cover or competition for Robbo. We aren't going to know which until he gets chances in the first team. Robbo been fantastic this season and a rest will do him good
Wiji, Milner and Jones - I think all deserve a start and all 3 should be good enough to match Ajax midfield. If this is deemed as a weak midfield then should these players be in the squad. Hendo needs protecting and i don't think Naby deserves a start (but i think he might actually stat ahead of Jones)
Mino - If anyone deserves an opportunity i believe its him. Yes he's a new signing but Jota has been here 10 months less and already has almost the same amount of opportunities as him in the premier league.
Mane - Masive player for us and has just come out of a 2 week isolation period so he will be raring to go.
Jota - I think this lad is a very good signing for us. To break into our top 3 is going to be a huge task for him but i believe he will get ample opportunities starting with tonight.
4.) 21 Oct 2020 13:29:44
We are away at ajax right? In the cl? And you want to give the u23s a run out!? No, strongest possible team pls.
5.) 21 Oct 2020 13:59:09
Fabinho is deceptively quick, certainly wouldn't point it out as a weakness of his.
6.) 21 Oct 2020 14:16:31
Robbie where have I said anything about giving the U23’s a run out. From that starting 11 only the keeper is not realistically first team squad the rest of them are either normal starters or are on the bench of a match day squad. Reason I’ve gone with that keeper is because Allison is injured and Adrian has cost us a goal in each of his last 3 starts.
7.) 21 Oct 2020 15:04:20
Adrians contract is up ata the end of this season, he did play really well in goal early last season, but has lost a lot of confidence recently, and needs to be replaced next summer,
I did make a call on him and we need an upgrade, Allison, great keeper that he is, misses at least 10 games a season out injured, so our then number 2 might get, with some Cup games, 15 games a season .
8.) 21 Oct 2020 15:49:46
Can you imagine Adrian starting (like he should) and we win 1-0, after a great day in goal? Great confidence boost that would be, wouldn't it?
9.) 21 Oct 2020 16:19:32
if we are going to Imagine, let's make it 2 0 .
10.) 21 Oct 2020 21:52:02
Hi JK - agree with what a lot of what you’ve said there. We need to dust ourselves off and crack on!
Super excited for the game tonight. Team wise I wouldn’t go for the young lad in goal. Ajax are a very good team and shouldn’t be under estimated. The lads need a bounce back rather than risk letting in another 3 or 4!
Thiago and Matip will probably miss out. It’s great to have Hendo back though and I think he’ll get a reaction out of the lads like he did at Everton 💪🏼.
09 Oct 2020 18:49:29
A new street art mural has been completed of Ray Clemence near Anfield.
It looks great from the media I've seen.
He's a true legend and LFC royalty.
1.) 09 Oct 2020 19:24:20
There's a good one of Karius, too.
In Madrid.
2.) 09 Oct 2020 19:51:54
We could do with a muriel if Alisson's brother.
20 Nov 2020 14:58:19
I’ve said all along that it would be a surprise to me if he were to be allowed to leave.
The only thing is his age, just turned 30.
He’ll probably be looking for a 3 years or more contract, whether Liverpool will agree to that is the question.
Personally, he’s so durable and physically fit, he’ll be another James Milner, playing at a high level past 35 if he chooses.
He’s definitely worth a 3 years contract in my book, probably 4 years too.
20 Oct 2020 21:02:17
Thanks for the feedback Ed.
You were always quite complimentary about FSG’s ownership of Liverpool but you seem to have taken much the opposite view, certainly recently?
A large part of our criticism of them was they were never Liverpool-centric, and what you’re saying now really backs that up. And worse than that, not even football centric. American baseball fans first and foremost, which is fair enough but they’d have never appeared over here in the first place if there wasn’t money to be made.
{Ed002's Note - They have been good owners but you can never forget they are an investment company. They invest their own and other people’s money in order to get the best return on their money. They don’t care about collateral damage. It is no difference than you invention £100 - if bank x gives you 2% interest and bank y gives you 8% interest, where do you put your money?}
20 Oct 2020 18:09:19
Your view in the past was about the inevitability of a pan-European breakaway Ed002, which obviously had money at its heart?
The pints of wallop and chips and curry for those fans who did not wish to partake of a continental diet?
{Ed002's Note - The proposal that the "elite" sides have been working on was originally about removing the shackles of UEFA and taking the opportunity to make money. The proposal being discussed today are around a year old and I have discussed them in the past. They have a wealthy businessman and money underwritten by an American bank behind them - and they are using the opportunity to exploit the game via the incumbent owners of a PL club who are interested only in bettering investments, and not the club itself in particular. That is why they are trying to exploit the game for profit.}
20 Oct 2020 12:31:07
No, not for me.
He’s a decent player as a ‘sweeper’ type in a back 3 but not for our system with a high (ish) line of defence. He’s not got the pace for that.
18 Oct 2020 19:34:11
I honestly feel sick to the pit of my stomach at this news of VVD’s injury.
One of the world’s best footballers injured by an awful challenge from Pickford, absolutely terrible news.
23 Nov 2020 17:33:15
What struck me seeing Neco Williams preparing to come on is he still looks like a youngster physically.
He really needs to get on a weights programme and supplements, get some muscle mass and strength on him. I think it would help his game so much, especially defensively and on one v ones.
23 Nov 2020 13:20:58
As a Liverpool fan since the 70s, what struck me yesterday was that performance was real old school Liverpool. Solid, professional, at times inspired but no-nonsense.
A performance that Ray Clemence would have recognised and a fitting send-off to the man.
23 Nov 2020 11:52:55
Like it or not Ed025, Liverpool and Man Utd draw in the most viewers by a considerable margin.
I’m not sure what it is about the English mentality that seems to resent success and put barriers in its way.
If you’re playing in Europe, particularly away, you shouldn’t have an early kickoff on the following weekend. That’s just common sense.
What the television companies are doing is just playing keep ball with their audience numbers, book ending Liverpool and Man Utd on broadcast days as often as not.
{Ed025's Note - i get that juicer and i dont have a problem with that, the assumption that its done so the big teams lose to create a more competitive league is just ludicrous though mate, it would be right to afford the teams playing in europe as much time as possible to recouperate, but scheduling is done in advance and its not a ploy to "hobble" the creme de la creme..
21 Nov 2020 14:31:25
I really think we’d be walking into a trap if Phillips plays at CB.
Vardy has done well in the past against Liverpool and it was largely down to the lack of pace at CB, as he plays off the last shoulder.
Those goals dried up when Gomez and VVD got together, they could deny him that advantage of speed.
So, Matip and Williams or Fabinho for me.
Not up to our first choice CBs but if the back four drop off 5 - 10 yards, hopefully it limits Vardy’s opportunities.
19 Nov 2020 15:30:24
I agree that it’s hard to compare, especially given the strength of the two teams behind those respective front 3s.
On most measures though, you’d probably say the current attack is better.
Interesting to ponder if you could mix the players up?
I reckon if you’d add Suarez to Salah and Mane, you would have the strongest possible combination.