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03 May 2020 13:36:17
Good day Ed and Reds.
BBC Sport are running an article that clubs opposed to 'Project Restart' are prepared to play at neutral venues if the threat of relegation is lifted.
If this is correct, this seems telling for me.
It sort of feels as if the multitude of clubs that have been poor all season are not prepared to accept their failings and are almost using the current situation to avoid the drop? They seem to be dictating what may happen next?
What's the point of restarting if the season's conclusion can't be reached?
Have you any take on this Ed002 please? (Presuming it did start again - a rather large presumption too) .
{Ed002's Note - Although much of Friday was spent discussiong neutral venues the idea regarding relegation has not been discussed by the PL. There is no plan as to how the season will be concluded at this time. Everything may well be much clearer in one week.}
1.) 04 May 2020 08:14:53
I thought the same to an extent.
All clubs will be playing in neutral venues, all will be in the same boat.
If the "integrity of the league can't be maintained" then what's the point?
Perhaps it's to do with finances and honouring TV contracts - I don't pretend to know that's what it is.
Everyone looking out for their own interests. Understandably.
{Ed002's Note - The arguement is based on loss of home advantage - and that is proving to be consideration for a number of sides (including two of the top six). It is unrelated to money of TV contracts. But many clubs are not concerned about their own interests only.}
2.) 04 May 2020 19:28:30
Ed002 does the home advantage thing not kind of become irrelevant with the exclusion of fans.
{Ed002's Note - A decent number of clubs don’t think so.}
09 Jan 2019 05:59:14
Media speculation today that Comacho could move on to Sporting Lisbon in this window?
Is a subsequent move for a versatile right-sided player on the cards in January?
Suggestions?
1.) 09 Jan 2019 09:11:17
The loan is not strange but the length of time is, June 2020 and that is when his contract runs out according to Talksport. Looks like Camacho is going home.
2.) 09 Jan 2019 08:55:06
Pardon me for but are sporting lisbon and sporting CP the same club?
{Ed025's Note - yes mate..
3.) 09 Jan 2019 09:54:48
Is he getting a new contract or are we effectively releasing him?
4.) 09 Jan 2019 11:53:52
I would a assume he will sign a new contract before heading out!
15 Oct 2018 20:40:37
Is Mane injured whilst out on international duty as well now?
Broken thumb?
1.) 16 Oct 2018 13:06:23
Surely he could play with a broken thumb?
2.) 16 Oct 2018 16:55:37
He has no chance of being fit for a game of Subuteo anyway.
3.) 16 Oct 2018 18:29:00
The thumbs up/ down response to this seems a little insensitive to be honest.
Eds Note: The Thread that was here has now been moved to our Liverpool Other Posts Page.
1.) 20 Jun 2015 23:39:35
I wouldn't rule out the illuminati.
31 Jan 2014 11:36:22
The Guardian (no less) reporting that the redevelopment plans are moving forward apace.
Fingers crossed, there could be real progress this year, it all looks good to go if and when the demolition is done.
Only two owners, of four houses, still holding out.
Is that the two buy-to-let landlords that were supposedly going to sue the Council / LFC?
Maybe, just maybe, there will be spades in the ground before 2014 is out?
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01 Mar 2021 09:32:11
It looked to me like Thiago and Wijnaldum both played as deeper midfielders with Jones pushed forward yesterday, a formation tweak that worked better I felt.
Of all the positions that I've seen Thiago in so far, that one was perhaps the better option. Certainly for an away PL game.
I hate to keep repeating this but he's more suited with someone to do much of his running for him.
The midfield as a whole worked more coherently I felt, not perfect but it looked a better fit all round.
It'll be interesting to see what happens when Fabinho is fit again though.
1.) 01 Mar 2021 11:06:46
Was definitely a new system. In possession, Trent was almost in a back 3 at times with Phillips and Kabak. Thiago and Gini were essentially a double pivot. Jones and Robertson were both pushing so high it was almost a front 5. It worked. Sheffield were lucky it wasn't 3 or 4 and they only have poor finishing/ Ramsdale to thank for it.
We were also say about 20 yards deeper when we were defending which meant Adrian had a lot less ground to cover. I was pleased with the performance as a team, but Jones especially was sensational.
2.) 01 Mar 2021 11:42:09
does anyone know when fabinho is going to return? said he was out for one game originally and been out for 8 GAMES so far. what is going on?
{Ed002's Note - Soon.}
3.) 01 Mar 2021 11:50:27
Spot on Juicer. I told you in the past that Thago was not brought in as a B2B mid getting all over the pitch. That has never been his game even at Bayern. He is more of a control, possession midfielder who can orient the game and pick incisive passes and the Bobbie chance at the beginning, came from his well weighted pass to Mane cos well, there was movement ahead of him, something that has been lacking in our forward play of late.
Also, I think Jones played on the left of the front 3 for some part of the game with Mane central and Mo on the right with Bobbie in the 10. These are the types of tweaks Klopp has been making in a couple of games now BUT we just have not either taking our chances or played well enuff to win due to poor play overall or defensive mistakes. Something to watch for.
4.) 01 Mar 2021 12:11:28
That seems like a good summary to me MKS, I’m not going to argue with that 😃
Jones played well, I thought TAA was very good, in fact the whole team looked to be functioning better.
Get Jota back and things might just be on the up.
Big game v Chelsea though.
25 Feb 2021 06:45:16
Revised plans for the Amfield Road End stand are out, if anyone is interested.
It looks nice, and would be an impressive change to that side of the ground.
They also cite the match day transport scheme that was developed to deal with flows to / from the ground.
This would take capacity to 61,000.
Fair play to FSG for pushing ahead, especially in view of the dire financial consequences of the past year.
1.) 25 Feb 2021 12:36:41
We haven’t got money to buy a player how we going to pay for a new stand. Don’t get me wrong I’d love it to happen.
2.) 25 Feb 2021 18:36:24
We'd probably take out a long term 'mortgage' to pay for the new stand longthing. I'd hope we wouldn't do that for a player.
23 Feb 2021 21:28:13
Anyone had a look through the promotional videos and planning application for Everton's new stadium?
It's a lovely looking build but its scale on the waterfront, compared to the Liver Buildings, is massive.
Most of the footage and pictures are looking north away from the city centre too, you don't see how it may affect the UNESCO World Heritage views, particularly if it were lit up in the dark.
I'm not surprised that the City Council passed it but it'll be interesting what the Sec of State and UNESCO make of it.
1.) 24 Feb 2021 01:10:06
Joe Anderson is an Evertonian and has done everything possible to facilitate their new stadium including using council money to loan to Everton, despite the fact they’re owned by super rich owners. It reeks but so does everything involving business and politics.
2.) 24 Feb 2021 02:41:08
I’m no expert on these matters but Liverpool needs all the regeneration and investment we can get, i’m sure it’ll look great. The dock road area is in need of some serious investment and with the frequent expansion of more apartment blocks in some of the old unused warehouses, it could completely change the way it looks in 5 years time. I’m actually quite excited.
3.) 24 Feb 2021 07:25:48
The site is at the very north end of the world heritage site.
Given it’s about a mile n half away from princess dock I’d say it would be broadly far enough to not really effect anything.
4.) 24 Feb 2021 07:49:26
I’ve no issue with the Council helping to fund the stadium, that’s what they’re there to do - assist the community - and they did help to facilitate the expansion of Anfield.
It’s the potential conflict between this role and its effect on the World Heritage status that seems more of an issue.
The Council passed the giant towers of Liverpool Waters recently and they most certainly would compromise the WH views. If they’re ever built, it would probably result in the WH status being withdrawn.
That indicates that the Council are prepared to gamble on their WH status.
The Bramley Dock site is outside of the WH boundary but within its buffer zone, so it too could trigger a response from UNESCO.
The footprint of the project is also considerable, about twice the size of the Liver Building by comparison.
It would be a huge shame to lose the World Heritage tag but that’s one for the government and UNESCO to ponder over now.
5.) 24 Feb 2021 08:02:41
In fairness, Councillor Joe Hansen (who is a Liverpool supporter) is very behind the plans, and as corrupt as Joe Anderson may be, he was very supportive of our plans to redevelop Anfield. Devil’s advocate here, but how about the jobs it’s going to create in the area? Surely that isn’t a bad thing, would be a huge welcome boost after the cluster f*ck that C.V. has caused. Personally I’m not bothered as it doesn’t affect us. They’ll still only have the second biggest stadium in the City, after all .
{Ed001's Note - I am with you on this 6Times, it is a good thing for the city.}
6.) 24 Feb 2021 09:10:07
I think it’ll definitely be a good thing for the city, and the North West in general, but I don’t want it to affect the World Heritage status.
That’s too precious to everyone and should not be a local decision.
I mean, you wouldn’t build a football ground near the Taj Mahal would you?
{Ed001's Note - but it is nothing like the Taj Mahal. There is lots of shiny new buildings around the city centre and waterfront, which this will fit in nicely with. This is not degrading a precious monument, it is enhancing the area.}
7.) 24 Feb 2021 09:23:52
Not of that scale though Ed, though the Taj Mahal was an extreme example, lol.
But it’s always a fascinating conundrum, how historical cities develop over time.
I like the build though, looks lovely as a football ground.
{Ed001's Note - they have to move on or they end up just being crumbling ruins that no one can live in. Nice to have old buildings, but you can't just have the old stuff unfortunately.}
8.) 24 Feb 2021 11:33:37
Why don't they build it on the Wirral? It's a shame that only one side of the Mersey looks good while the one eyed city is neglected.
{Ed001's Note - because that isn't Liverpool.} Become a Patron!
9.) 24 Feb 2021 13:50:21
Imagine 50k fans going through the tunnel Saturday afternoon hahaha.
10.) 24 Feb 2021 22:23:04
What you mean there be 30k coming through anyway.
07 Feb 2021 22:47:02
I can't believe how slow and deliberate this team has become this season.
We saw last campaign that the heavy metal football was toned down but this time round it's gone positively acoustic.
I just can't see Thiago in a midfield 3, he doesn't do enough and he's just not sufficiently mobile.
Doesn't press well up top, terrible tackler and can't track runners getting back.
Coutinho was criticised on his departure for slowing down the midfield, but what is Thiago doing if not the same?
And he looks less effective overall, without an assist or a goal.
We've gone from the quickest team in the league to tortoise pace, it's terrible to watch.
All the opponents are sitting deep, including City, when we're in possession but we're giving them too much time to re-set.
I'm just confused. com about what we're trying to do at present, you knew how Liverpool would play but now it's just neither one thing nor the other.
1.) 07 Feb 2021 23:05:17
Thaigos fault of Henderson and fabinho missing fault hard to blame thaigo he passes the ball forward and quickly
Maybe he needs to by pass players and try to slip the lads in behind the defender as in more direct so they can't get back and form there shape or a low black as its referred to these days.
2.) 08 Feb 2021 00:28:52
It’s very reminiscent of the season BR got sacked to be honest. Team seems to forget goals are needed and possession stats don’t win games. Awful to watch at the moment.
01 Feb 2021 17:35:21
Kabak on an option to buy, £1m fee now and £18m in Summer, excluding bonuses, is being reported.
If it comes off, two centre halves in for under £5m seems good going to me.
1.) 01 Feb 2021 17:46:10
I got splattered on here when i said the same. I just couldn't understand how club can't buy good players for under 5 million anymore. And now we have. chuffed.
2.) 01 Feb 2021 17:46:38
Edwards definitely needs a statue. That is brilliant business. We got in jota thiago tsimikas and 2 cbs spending a measley 10 mill upfront if that. Once the world opens up again the level of debt shouldn't hit us too hard.
3.) 01 Feb 2021 17:50:06
And another probably joining in the summer. Klopp won't be compromising on the quality and depth of his CBs ever again considering its probably cost us a league title.
VVD, Gomez, Kabak, Davies and someone like Konate/ Carmo/ DCC this summer and we have the perfect Jose Mourinho Dream Team of CBs!
4.) 01 Feb 2021 18:26:41
Edwards is great at getting players in for relatively low upfront one off's with future payment plans, but it does take me back to the early nineties and my introduction to credit cards which required a huge overall utilising the services of Peter and Paul!
5.) 01 Feb 2021 19:35:18
Not cost us league title yet Indian. belief mate. City will falter yet.
19 Feb 2021 23:02:12
My man Traore produced tonight anyway lmao, even if it was back off the keeper’s noggin.
Neto was good also, especially first half. He’s a fine young player.
Have to say, on that showing, Wolves do not look to get the ball forward early anything like as much as Liverpool.
I’d definitely take both of them to Liverpool.
Wolves our new Southampton lol.
19 Feb 2021 13:22:23
Ok, one last attempt to make a case 🤣
Salah and Traore left up top out of possession, the rest of the team can sit deeper and more compact.
Long balls out of defence, the opposition are forced to keep probably 4 or 5 players back to mark them?
Just like the Leipzig game but x 2. No? 🤣🤣.
{Ed001's Note - which again is what Wolves aim to do. Traore is simply not good enough. The idea is fine, but you are just picking the wrong player. There is one player to go for from them and it is Neto.}
19 Feb 2021 13:05:47
I can accept those points but the long balls we play out of defence are perfect for Traore, I think it’d bring a new dimension to his game that he doesn’t really enjoy at Wolves. The way we play suits his pace to a T and, probably ironically, his downturn in form will have lowered his price?
Elliott is never a rival to a player like Traore, totally different. I can see Elliott developing a skill set like the better points of Grealish or maybe even a Firmino-type game.
Anyway, I think a Summer signing up top will definitely be a player with pace.
Traore is ok by me.
{Ed001's Note - what do you mean? That is exactly how they use him at Wolves and he is not very good. It really is that simple. Elliott is a far better player.}
19 Feb 2021 06:01:09
That’s what people said about Sterling and Bale though Ed.
I like to think of what he can do, rather than can’t.
And the potential positives far outweigh the negatives for Traore imo.
His pace gives you another dimension, can revert to all kinds of formations with him up top.
Give him, say, 4 runs per game and 1 of them is going in the back of the net.
He can cause havoc for any team.
{Ed001's Note - he is nothing like Sterling and Bale. For starters he is 25, so should be able to offer an end product by now. His end product is non-existent, if he could produce 1 in 4 times he would be excellent, but he produces once in 100 or even more. He hasn't the intelligence to slow down to make the final ball controllable.}
18 Feb 2021 23:23:08
I’d like to see either or both of Traore and Sarr join Liverpool.
Both have the potential to really tear it up.
Traore must be about the quickest front man in Europe?
{Ed0666's Note - no point being quick if there’s no end product mate. Sarr is rapid also but carries more guile and threat.
01 Mar 2021 12:11:28
That seems like a good summary to me MKS, I’m not going to argue with that 😃
Jones played well, I thought TAA was very good, in fact the whole team looked to be functioning better.
Get Jota back and things might just be on the up.
Big game v Chelsea though.
27 Feb 2021 13:01:48
If you look at the kids who have broken through into the PL in recent years, they tend to be physically mature beyond their years in the main.
The athletes are a lot stronger and fitter and you’d have to be very careful throwing a smaller player like Elliot in amongst that.
Admittedly I haven’t seen much of him over this season but you don’t want to sicken the lad, getting knocked around too much?
I know the Championship has a reputation for being robust butt the PL is another step up physically these days.
{Ed077's Note - you can't expect him to start contributing right away after returning from his loan spell. He is still very young.}
27 Feb 2021 12:11:05
Sure Ed002, but the kinds of numbers being mentioned are not dissimilar from the full total FSG paid for the club ten years or so ago?
That’s not a bad return on investment, albeit I understand they’ve never taken annual dividends (though being board members they’d be salaried I presume) .
{Ed002's Note - What they want is a merger of the two businesses. That would not suit FSG who will at some point be looking for a higher level of growth than they can get from Liverpool whose value will flatten out. And you need to keep in mind the money involved would not be that of RedBall but of investors who have guaranteed that money.}
27 Feb 2021 11:51:10
If RedBird Capital buy 10 or 20% of the club, are they buying equity?
If so, I presume at least some of that could be reinvested in the club?
I wonder if it could find its way to the Anfield Road redevelopment?
{Ed002's Note - Yes they would be buying a stake in the club. The money goes to the owners who would be giving up part of their investment. The are investors, not a charity - they want a return on their investment.}
26 Feb 2021 12:11:37
I think they look at various fans forums and websites and develop ideas for articles from them.
It was a back-handed compliment actually, there’s some good information and insights on here and similar themes do appear in the Echo afterwards, though they’re shared themes to some degree across various fan sites.
The Thiago one was from a TIA source I think actually.
A progressive pass is a pass 10 yards (or was it metres) forwards, which Thiago’s stats show well apparently.
{Ed001's Note - I wasn't insulted mate, I was just confused. These days I have lost track of what is on other sites, when I am online I am either editing or doing research for articles. I no longer read other fan sites. Not because I have anything against them, it is just a time thing.
Ah right, I am not a fan of stats in football, there is simply not enough repeated actions to make stats anything other than a curiosity. They are presented by stats sites with absolutely no context, so are just a bit of a mess. What I have seen of him is that he always looks to play the ball forward but is often getting forced to hold onto the ball because no one shows or makes a move for him. When he first played, he would often pick the ball up and just ping it in behind for a runner, but it was constantly just running out of play or to the keeper because no one was making the run until after the ball was played. Those kind of balls need someone to be making the run as soon as the ball is moving towards him, knowing that he is going to put it into a dangerous area and all they have to do is get to that area. And yet he was the one getting criticised when the ball ran out of play because his stats showed he lost the ball. For me that is the fault of the forwards for not reading the play.}