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18 Jan 2022 16:57:02
Ed, you mentioned Firmino being the most likely to be the first of the ‘front three’ to be phased out.

Who do you think would be a good replacement?

And who do you think the replacement might be? You’ve put together an extensive list of wingers who we’ve expressed interest in but very few are the versatile forward like Firmino.

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - arias would be a potential replacement.}


1.) 18 Jan 2022 18:26:04
Yes, he gets into some very dangerous arias.


2.) 18 Jan 2022 18:59:21
Arias? Only Arias I know of is the right back?

Someone fill me in!


3.) 18 Jan 2022 17:09:42
Did you mean Dias Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - Yes Luis Diaz.}


4.) 18 Jan 2022 17:18:48
Did you mean Diaz, Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Yes - a phone issue.}


5.) 18 Jan 2022 20:09:26
It’s all good Ed.


6.) 18 Jan 2022 20:14:38
Do you
See LFC signing Diaz Ed 2 or is he priced out of reach?

{Ed002's Note - If the club are able to raise the money or strike a deal over a plan, then maybe.}


7.) 18 Jan 2022 20:23:18
Would that be Jota to take the central role permanently and Mane and Diaz rotate on the left wing? Or would Diaz also play through the middle?

{Ed002's Note - Diaz would be the catalyst to moving Firmino on. The players are versatile.}


8.) 18 Jan 2022 20:38:04
Has any of Ed's seen much of Diaz? I've only seen him twice in the 2 champ league games against us and he didn't stand out I thought.

{Ed002's Note - He is liked by many as a decent player.}


9.) 18 jan 2022 21:11:13
at the start of the transfer window the eds were saying that diaz will not be moving to liverpool, are we saying it has a chance now?

id love this one to have legs.

{Ed002's Note - Only if Liverpool can borrow the money from somewhere to offer the required €80M and the player is interested in the move. If you don’t like what has been said, we can easily remove your account.}


10.) 18 Jan 2022 23:19:28
Ed I no you don’t like timing questions but I’m presuming if we were to make a move it would be summer window and zero chance it happens in next 11days?

{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer questions without knowing more.}


11.) 19 Jan 2022 12:10:51
Hi Ed002

With Luiz Diaz being owned by Porto and Junior, would it be a difficult deal to get done this window?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It is unrelated to any of the potential buying clubs. The €80M buy out clause covers the additional monies owed by Porto to have 100% ownership.}


12.) 19 Jan 2022 13:32:42
So it's just a simple case of paying the set price and of course, the player wanting the move.

Thanks ed002.

{Ed002's Note - Subject to a couple of other matters, yes.}


13.) 19 Jan 2022 13:35:42
One more thing on Diaz is I may Ed002,

Have Liverpool made any type of contact with the players reps or Porto direct, with regards to starting the ball rolling on getting a deal done?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - There is not going to be an attempt to sign him immediately.}


14.) 19 Jan 2022 13:59:01
Thank you kindly for your replies .


15.) 19 Jan 2022 18:35:44
I think maybe a desk for the summer if anything Bergersleeg. Nit sure if it’s possible to strike a deal now fir the summer or not, I guess we wait and see mate.


16.) 20 Jan 2022 12:19:32
I only have one question Ed002, would you consider Diaz to be nifty?

{Ed002's Note - Some do.}


17.) 20 Jan 2022 13:03:51
There is strong reports that Liverpool may do a deal for 19 year old Fabio Carvalho of Fulham in January, could be a long term potential replacement for Bobby?


 

 

17 Jan 2022 07:51:24
Rumours of Firmino to Barcelona in the summer. Anything in it Ed?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach from Barcelona.}


1.) 17 Jan 2022 10:56:57
I would not begrudge Bobby getting a final move somewhere else where the game is played at a slower pace.
He is and always be an LFC legend and i wish him well whatever he does.


2.) 17 Jan 2022 12:36:38
Good luck to him if he does go. He’s played his part in the successes.


3.) 17 Jan 2022 12:47:00
Has he actually said he wants to go or has his agent been touting him around? Not read anything about it.
Personally think he should of gone 2 seasons ago. Previous to that he was quality.


4.) 17 Jan 2022 15:30:32
Given the original source is El Nacional - Barcelona's own Catalona battle cry - I'd suggest it's nonsense.


5.) 17 Jan 2022 20:39:57
I must admit though when I read it I couldn’t help but think it would be the best move for all parties.

I love Bobby and Mane but as with all players at some point they need replacing. Both Firmino and Mane are both on the decline, and have to start thinking of both being replaced at some point.

To be fair there is a lot of good options available this summer ie Diaz, Dembele, Vlahovic etc, who are potentially obtainable by us.


6.) 17 Jan 2022 21:39:58
Jones, Dembele is not a good option. He’s an awful option, I’d rather keep Mane. Literally signing him would the equivalent of burning £500’000 a week in cash outside of Anfield. Woeful footballer with a body made out of crisps.


7.) 18 Jan 2022 08:46:14
So you rate him then?


8.) 20 Jan 2022 00:31:46
Not even robust crisps, like McCoys but flimsy ones like Skips.


 

 

04 Jan 2022 13:40:08
Looks like Leighton Clarkson’s loan at Blackburn is ending prematurely.

ToonRed

1.) 04 Jan 2022 15:08:49
Yes he has returned. Unfortunately very little game time.


2.) 04 Jan 2022 16:26:01
I've checked every Blackburn game and he's been on the bench in pretty much every game and only got a hand full of minutes from the bench, most of the time never getting on the pitch even if all 3 subs are used.
Shame as he was a big prospect for us and probably ahead of Morton in terms of proximity to the 1st team.


 

 

30 Dec 2021 10:27:59
Hi Ed, seeing that Dembele’s contract talks have broken down with Barca, any chance Liverpool could swoop in with a cash offer for Jan or pre-contract offer for him in the summer?

Also seen us being linked to Saka, but I assume there’s no substance to it?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation with Dembele in the past few days, you can easily find it. Two clubs have declared an interest in Saka but that does not include Liverpool. Arsenal want to keep him. If he were to come up for sale then Liverpool might well be interested - he is young, home grown, versatile and doing well scoring goals from midfield.}


1.) 30 Dec 2021 11:43:19
Saka would surely be out of reach? I think it would be in the region of £100m to get him and I doubt Arsenal would sell to us anyway.


2.) 30 Dec 2021 11:51:57
Thanks Ed, Saka seems like he’s Arsenal through and through, doubt he’d ever force a move.


3.) 30 Dec 2021 16:39:52
Wouldn’t go near Dembele but Saka and a young striker in with Mane Origi Minamino out would be ideal changes up top. If Arsenal don’t get top 4 you never know he might look for a move. Julian Alvarez could be off to United surprised we aren’t in for him.


4.) 31 Dec 2021 01:03:11
I really like the look of Dennis from Watford, if they go down it could be a cheaper option.


5.) 31 Dec 2021 09:03:58
Decent striker and has adapted to the prem very well.


6.) 31 Dec 2021 10:55:24
Saka is never going to happen, he’s well out of our price bracket. Dembele is a mistake waiting to happen for multiple reasons, and as for Dennis, we’ve no chance as the Watford owner hates FSG.


7.) 31 Dec 2021 12:35:03
We're not signing anyone in January. No money. Stop torturing yourselves.


8.) 31 Dec 2021 16:41:20
would you sell Salah if the money was used to bring in Bissouma, and 2 of Raphina, Sarr and Dembele?


9.) 31 Dec 2021 17:35:06
Good question WarMachine. I don't think it'd happen though as it's one foreign player out and 3 in. So which 2 don't get registered? I personally wouldn't but that's just me. While it strengthens the squad it also weakens us if that makes sense.


10.) 31 Dec 2021 19:15:26
i would also be selling Origi and Keita Oh Mane Mane and next prob Matip and Ox. The squad is bloated.


11.) 31 Dec 2021 19:15:26
i would also be selling Origi and Keita Oh Mane Mane and next prob Matip and Ox. The squad is bloated.


12.) 01 Jan 2022 11:11:03
ViktorVaughanVaudevilleVillain--i see making space a bigger issue than money.
we need one maybe be two midfielders but already have seven (eight if you count elliot) we need to sell chamberlain to make room.
we also have salah, mane, firmino, jota, minamino, origi as attacking options and need to move origi and minamino on to get a new attacker.


13.) 01 Jan 2022 17:48:39
Ravo, Milner will be leaving in the summer, I’d expect one of or both of Ox and Keita to move on as they’ve not really been a great success. But even then, we don’t have the funds to pay for even a decent quality midfielder, it’s freebies and bargain basement stuff like Kessie or Sanches for us if we do.

We’ve also still got the problem that if Salah and Mane haven’t renewed by the end of the season a decision needs to be made on selling them (of which we’re not going to get very much), Origi will also be off on a freebie which means we need to potentially bring in 2 maybe three versatile forwards with no money to do it. Happy days eh?


14.) 01 Jan 2022 20:50:20
Oh the doom and the gloom.
Cheer up lad, it's New Years Day!


 

 

23 Dec 2021 09:58:21
Do we still hold an interest in Jonathan David, Ed?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - Jonathan David (S/AM) Lille, like many French clubs were hit hard by the loss of broadcast revenue and will need to sell some of their more valuable assets even though they do not want to. Jonathan David is valued by Lille at an unrealistic €60M with Real Madrid keen if a deal cannot be reached for Haaland. Another option for Madrid might be to pay a deposit on a transfer for 2023 and leave him at Lille. Real Madrid may try and negotiate Eden Hazard being included in a deal. There is likely to be plenty of interest in him for a summer move if his price comes down a little - West Ham, Inter and Arsenal are three clubs cited having sent scouts to watch him.}


1.) 23 Dec 2021 13:49:33
Thanks Ed, sounds a bit pricey for us.

I assume we’re still on our knees financially? A few weeks ago I read somewhere that PL teams could be in for more revenue from a new TV deal?


 

 

 

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29 Jan 2022 18:23:43
Another assist from Carvalho for Fulham today, I really hope we get him this window and loan him back in an attempt to repair our relationship with Fulham.

He looks the real deal!

ToonRed

1.) 29 Jan 2022 22:21:28
What relationship with Fulham?


2.) 30 Jan 2022 05:56:41
Eds, do u see us moving for the Fulham lad in January?

{Ed002's Note - I rather doubt Fulham will want to do any business with Liverpool.}


3.) 30 Jan 2022 11:31:43
Might not have much of a choice if the lad wants to come.


4.) 30 Jan 2022 13:12:11
Why is the relationship bad eds?

{Ed002's Note - There have been issues in the past - there is no point in dragging it all up again.}


5.) 30 Jan 2022 15:03:58
OK no worries. I'm sure if we pay the money they will be fine.


 

 

28 Jan 2022 09:35:11
I love a late transfer swoop, especially when it hampers our rival plans - fingers crossed Diaz goes through.

Also talk this morning that we’re in pole position for Fabio Carvalho? Again could be loaned back until end of the season, anyone else heard the same?

ToonRed

1.) 28 Jan 2022 11:00:12
Doubt we’d do this now when Klopp can just tap him up and get him in the summer for free.


2.) 28 Jan 2022 11:29:08
Exciting young English talent. He probably knows Harvey so settling in shouldn’t be a problem and he’ll see that Klopp likes to give young players a chance.


3.) 28 Jan 2022 14:01:52
VVVV, is Diaz English? I thought he was Columbian.


4.) 28 Jan 2022 14:39:12
I think he was talking about Carvalho, not Diaz.


5.) 28 Jan 2022 15:35:53
Clearly talking about Carvalho. Not exactly rocket science 🙄.


6.) 28 Jan 2022 14:39:12
I think he was talking about Carvalho, not Diaz.


 

 

13 Jan 2022 08:10:21
Chris Bascombe reporting Salah wants £400k a week.

Is it time to sell and use the money to refresh the squad?

I don’t want to lose him, but we’re short on cash and if it provided funds for say Bellingham and Bowen, I think I’d cash in.

ToonRed

1.) 13 Jan 2022 09:00:13
I'd rather give Salah what he wants and sell Mane or Firmino and get them 2 with some backing by the owners.


2.) 13 Jan 2022 09:09:39
Salah has no interest in staying. Some need to accept that.

{Ed025's Note - so you know him personally OMM?, thats just guessing mate..


3.) 13 Jan 2022 09:10:28
So would I, but I don’t think we can rely on our owners.


4.) 13 Jan 2022 09:30:30
Everyone already knew he would have wanted around that mark, and so he should. You simply don't sell a player as good as Salah willingly, and if Salah goes what would that say about us to the likes of a Bellingham? top clubs don't sell their best players they add to them.


5.) 13 Jan 2022 10:03:21
Spot on, JH.


6.) 13 Jan 2022 09:48:44
Chelsea, Utd and City would likely be in for Bellingham. Therefore that transfer would turn into an auction and we couldn’t compete with the 3 for fee or wages in an auction.


7.) 13 Jan 2022 10:15:32
Unless Bellingham actually WANTED to join us.


8.) 13 Jan 2022 10:19:57
Salah is not as big as the club.

I don’t like him and / or his agent putting forward this line of ‘If only they do what I want I’m more than happy to stay’ routine.

If he isn’t happy he should clear off. When Salah retires LFC will still be here.


9.) 13 Jan 2022 10:31:36
JH that’s what I mean by an auction mate. It wouldn’t matter who Bellingham wanted to join if we were only offering Dortmund half (just using that as a ball park figure) compared to what the other 3 were. In that case Dortmund wouldn’t even accept the offer for us to find out what we wanted.

The richest person / team will always win an auction.


10.) 13 Jan 2022 10:34:33
There is two sides to the Salah argument, a sporting standpoint and a business one.

On the sporting side, we need to keep him at all costs. He is arguably the best player in the world at the minute, and at worst he is in the conversation of whether he is. Huge player for us that lifts the level of the team. From a sporting standpoint and as a fan it is an absoloute no brainer.

However, from a business side, the side we don't like talking about with football but the descion makers have to. You have a player at his peak or very close to it. He is asking for huge sums that on performance are warranted but, they have to decide what the investment will bring them in return.

If he stays, you should be competing for everything and arguably getting a few trophies added to the cabinet. So the prize bonuses and improving of the clubs brand. However, this would be his last lucrative contract, with very little sell on fee in 2-3 years and even smaller if he sees out towards the end of the contract.

The question is, do the trophies/ prizes and improvement of club brand outweigh the transfer fee we would get this year? That will be the analysis that people far smarter then me will be working out.

Personally, I'd keep him, find a bobby replacement (the one we had of a few years back, I know ed025 isn't his biggest fan, but his link up play was integral to our game) and sell mane (love him as a player but still has some value for re-investment, and we can't have an entire front three aging at the same rate, we need some form of succession plan) .


11.) 13 Jan 2022 11:01:59
We should keep Mo as the indications are he will be physically good enough for another 3/ 5 years at least.

We need to retain him and refresh the squad in the summer.

In the ideal world we get Mo to sign up for another 4 years and we get Bellingham in the summer and Jurgen and is coaching team sign contract extensions.

Naby Ox Divock and Millie move on… though I would give Millie a one year extension in a heartbeat and maybe we sell Sadio and bring in Bowen or someone else.


12.) 13 Jan 2022 11:06:56
Spot on WYred how much would it cost us to buy the world's 2nd best player because that's what we'd have to do if we sold Salah to replace his goals and assists. The man is pure class works extremely hard for the team he's irreplaceable imo. Sure I love Bobby and Sadio but if I had a choice I like you would sell the other 2 and hope to get someone younger in their place and keep Mo at all costs brother.


13.) 13 Jan 2022 11:15:44
Yeh West Derby let them all clear off if they are not happy playing for far less than they are worth (compared to what players of similar stature earn) let Virg, Robbo, Trent all clear off. How dare they want to earn as much as their positional equivolants at other clubs because trust me it won't be long before the likes of Diaz are on far more than Virg, Varane apparently already is.


14.) 13 Jan 2022 12:07:40
Virgil and Trent signed new deals just last summer, Jadon, so they're obviously not too unhappy with Raphael Varane (or whomever) being paid more than them. Although outside of Man City, I do wonder what right full backs in the PL are being paid more than TAA's reported £180k per week.

Salah's problem is that there's not many places for him to go to get £400k a week. And I think that's why the club are willing to engage in brinksmanship with him. I can only see PSG coming in for him with that amount if they lose Mbappe, now that Barcelona have imploded (have they registered Ferran Torres yet? ) and RM looking at other options. Maybe if RM miss Mbappe and any alternate targets they have, they might come in either.

If reports are to be believed, £400k a week would make Salah the highest paid player at pretty much any other club apart from Utd who are paying Ronaldo more than that. He'd be joint highest with de Bruyne at City.

Then again if it goes right to the wall next summer, a lot can happen in 18 months.


15.) 13 Jan 2022 12:21:07
Forget Salah, all this is pointing to FSG needing to sell Liverpool. We can’t compete financially anymore with these owners.
When you think Long term, they’re probably looking at selling, when the stadium is complete I think we will see a New Ownership being looked at defo. I Can’t see another way they continue long term. Everything points to a sale.


16.) 13 Jan 2022 12:33:44
I'm curious as to who anyone on here thinks is going to buy the Liverpool, and would be substantially different from FSG.

There's a finite number of state backed investment funds who will pour billions into a club for sportwashing and I'd rather not have them anyway.


17.) 13 Jan 2022 12:39:19
Virg, Trent were examples Something! i mean that we have to be willing to pay the top players we have the going rate or else gradually as a fanbase get used to not having such top players anymore. We've done brilliantly to build such a good squad without spending a lot more than we've recieved through sales but you can't keep hitting the jackpot.


18.) 13 Jan 2022 12:44:10
LiverpoolFC8, and you gathered all that from what the OP posted?


19.) 13 Jan 2022 13:25:41
Lfc8. I can't see them selling until the super league happens, in whatever form it is. That would be clubs value at a max (for forseeable future) I would think.


20.) 13 Jan 2022 14:23:43
One thing I keep seeing on these Salah discussion is either pay him or sell him and it is purely the owners fault etc. Has anyone actually considered that the club can't afford what he is asking? Salaries fall into FFP I believe and if we go by what Ed002 says, the club is already stretched financially living 'hand to mouth'. Who is to say the club can afford to meet Salah's demands and comply with FFP. Would you all be happy if the club met his demands, signed him up and then turned around and said in order to comply with FFP, we have to sell Mane to get him off the books and there is no money for a replacement?
All hypothetical of course, but it isn't always a case of pay or not, there are so many variables at play in the business.


21.) 13 Jan 2022 14:47:48
Bellingham and bowen through the sale of salah? How much do you think he's going to generate? . Mo is the best player in world and you want a young kid from a rubbish German league and bowen to impact the club as much as salah does? I'd take take both Bellingham and 100% bowen but not if we have to get rid of mo to generate the cash flow. If mo goes we are screwed upfront. Mane and bobby should go first. Clear thiago out. Give half his wages to salah.


22.) 13 Jan 2022 15:11:55
I think the talk of selling Salah for £10+ for some kind of rebuild is just not living in the real world, who is going to pay more than £60m for a 30 year old in the last year of his contract? Any club wanting to buy him will be kicking tyres and low balling us. And if we do sell, what then? Who are we going to find who can score 20+ goals and provide around 10 assists every year for the peanuts we can afford.
Players like Salah don’t come a dime a dozen and given our budgetary restrictions we’re not in with a shout for those players who are capable of replicating that kind of form, personally I’d pay the man close to what he wants and be done with it. He’s in physically good shape and he’s one of the genuinely few world class players around and looks good to still be doing his thing for another 4 years.


23.) 13 Jan 2022 16:03:58
100% agree with that Victor. Good luck with a "rebuild" outa the Salah money.


24.) 13 Jan 2022 16:10:24
*meant £100m+.


25.) 13 Jan 2022 16:20:06
Ronaldo was 33 when Juve paid £100m for him and real offered £140m or something for Mbappe with 6 months remaining, albeit Ronaldo did have 3 years remaining on his contract and Mbappe is a lot younger, but you get my point. Clubs are willing to spend big on world class players. I don't think Salah's age or contract length would have a major bearing on his price. The obstacle I see to getting a high fee for him is no one wants him. Real want Mbappe/ Haaland, Barcelona are in tatters and PSG are trying to tie Mbappe down to a contract. As Ed002 has said, his agent tried getting him a big move a while back, I think that ship has sailed and he is desperate to get his bumper pay packet at all costs.
Is anybody really fooled that Salah loves Liverpool and would do anything to stay? Look at Messi, the man who was Barcelona through and through. For years he single handedly crippled the club he 'loved' financially. How long will Salah be the best in the world? No one knows that answer as we don't have a crystal ball. But commit to his demands now and when he retires in X years, where does the money come from to replace him then?


26.) 13 Jan 2022 16:43:10
Stuie, Barcelona was being run by people who thought they had monopoly money and had zero care for the club or where the money came from, Messi earned Barcelona much more than he ever took from them, Salah has another 4/ 5 years left at the top easy, we aren't replacing a striker, we are replacing a rw, that's crazy for those numbers to come from him, he has done more than enough for Liverpool to earn what he is asking for, the problem isn't Salah and his demands, it's the people who don't want to pay him, they pay just as big a contract in the US, we have 2/ 3 high earners who could leave to pay for Salah's wage.


27.) 13 Jan 2022 17:09:41
Them 2/ 3 high earners leave to cover Mo's wages and there'll be whining on here about squad dept.


28.) 13 Jan 2022 17:17:11
Stuie we also live in a world where clubs like Villa are demanding £100m for Grealish so god knows what a decent replacemebt would cost. I personally doubt we will get £100m for Mo, clubs would know that if he hasn't signed on by the summer tben he's not signing at all and they would also know there's not a hope in hell the owners would let Mo leave for free so we would end up with a last week of the window bargain basement move for the worlds best player.


29.) 13 Jan 2022 19:10:05
Or, and again I'm playing devil's advocate, he doesn't want to stay. He's a very clever fella and knows if he fires out a few "I really want to stay" or "I really love the club with all my heart" quotes that fans will lap it up and not question him. Football politics. I'd love nothing better than being wrong but I reckon he wants away, he's came to the Premier league and proven himself. That's what he said he in one of his first interviews after signing. Hopefully as I say I'm wrong.


30.) 13 Jan 2022 19:27:51
All valid points and I do agree to a point. But again, no one can say for certain he will be this good for 4 years, that's purely an assumption. You can't compare US sports with football, completely different entities entirely. Liverpool are restricted as to what they can outlay without recouping the money, and that includes salaries. I'm not saying sell Salah, I'm just trying to put another perspective across that people probably shouldn't be too hard on the owners. There are two sides to every story and unfortunately, I don't think the owners will be doing a GQ magazine interview on Salah's contract any time soon.


31.) 13 Jan 2022 21:17:13
I think Madrid offered €140m just before the last year and offered €40m this window. Mpappe has age on his side, Salah doesn't I’m afraid.


32.) 13 Jan 2022 22:18:47
@JH, the point I was making is that if Salah, like Coutinho and Suarez before him is motivated by money then so be it. We are constrained in terms of what we can afford and if we can’t afford his demands then he has to leave - that’s business and it’s fair enough. It has happened before it will happen again.

What I don’t like is the ‘I’m not asking for anything outrageous” - just more money than the club can afford and new players that we can’t afford, and the line ‘I would like to stay here until I retire’ / ‘I love the fans’ of course they all do it @and again it’s part of the business these days but it’s blatantly so d false it makes my stomach turn. I don’t know the fella as I’ve never met him so he might be a decent, salt of the earth type but his comments aren’t doing him any favours imho.


33.) 14 Jan 2022 07:24:19
Tommy Gunn, why would you give Milner another year extension? He has done nothing this season to warrant a contract extension. Last night’s game showed just validated it. He is too old, has no pace and younger opposition players constantly outpace him. He had been a great servant to the club but time to get rid.


 

 

10 Jan 2022 13:50:00
Ed001 I’d interested to hear your thoughts on how the 5 youngsters got on against Shrewsbury yesterday.

ToonRed

{Ed001's Note - they did ok, but none of them really impressed. Personally I would prefer that as it stops them thinking it is too easy to step up. You want them to realise early that they still have to work hard to make it.}


1.) 10 Jan 2022 15:16:33
Honestly the only one that looks like he could come in and support the first team, sparingly, right now, is Tyler Morton. Obviously, there are areas of his game that will need to be improved, particularly off the ball. But, for the most part, I have liked what I have seen so far. He did look a step above the other youth players.

The other youth players still need more time to develop, physically, technically, etc. Players develop at different rates and the staff have to adapt to this. Fingers crossed one or two will make the grade.


2.) 10 Jan 2022 15:25:51
I agree, being at the game it was frustrating (albeit understandable) to choose the backwards option as opposed to driving forward or whipping in a cross.


3.) 10 Jan 2022 16:28:29
Yis are a hard audience lads.


4.) 10 Jan 2022 16:36:38
Conor Bradley did well not the finished article obviously but still did ok.


5.) 10 Jan 2022 17:11:54
Gordon is a great finisher. His all round game needs work but then the same could be said of Origi who's about 9 years older 🤷🏻‍♂️.


6.) 10 Jan 2022 17:13:49
Think Kaide Gordon's got that extra bit of magic about him. The rest looked pretty much ok at best.

{Ed025's Note - kaide is not the best gordon on merseyside though IB.. :)


7.) 10 Jan 2022 17:39:28
If you score then you’ve done alright. Because football is a confidence game, so next time Gordon pulls on the shirt he’ll be thinking I can Bag here.


8.) 10 Jan 2022 17:55:20
Gordon Ramsay Ed025😁.

{Ed025's Note - good guess barry but no cigar, its anthony mate who has the potential to be the next salah mate.. :)


9.) 10 Jan 2022 18:09:41
You's have yourself a great wee player there ed 25. Hope he pushes on!

{Ed025's Note - yeah he has been a breath of fresh air for us Bmena, a bit of hope in what has been a traumatic period for us mate...cheers..


10.) 10 Jan 2022 18:47:33
More than likely sold to City after a season though if he does well.

{Ed025's Note - probably mate..


11.) 10 Jan 2022 19:06:42
The next Salah 😂😂😂😂😂😂 you been on the beer ed025.


12.) 11 Jan 2022 06:25:24
Gordon was good but maybe didn’t get on the ball enough. Morton was alright but i don’t see anything i didn’t see in chirivella. We don’t bring though like any good players the last 20 years unless we sign them like Sterling/ Elliott which is why i have hope for the likes of Gordon and Bobby Clark. Makes it more incredible that we managed to produce someone who’ll go down as one of the greatest full backs of all time. Might be unpopular but i don’t see much with Jones. Slow takes too long on the ball offers nothing defensively. Quick feet but that’s it. Look at his competition for England. Foden, Bellingham, Smith Rowe, Gallagher, even Ramsey at Villa i think looks better. Elliott with us. Decent player but i think he’s too big of a drop from the from first team level to be a squad player at a title winning squad.

{Ed001's Note - clueless, have you forgotten about the best right-back in the world? And Jones was looking our best player after getting a run this season until he picked up the eye injury. You are far too busy denigrating to actually notice any of their qualities. To suggest Jones offers nothing defensively is nonsense and shows you have no idea what you are talking about. He was breaking up play repeatedly but you would have been busy slagging him off rather than actually seeing it I guess. And Morton is nothing like Chirivella. That is idiotic. They don't even play the same role in the team, except when Morton has been shoehorned in to cover injuries.}


13.) 11 Jan 2022 07:21:24
And that's him told.


14.) 11 Jan 2022 09:29:43
Ed01, haven't you heard? Jones ain't worth nothing anymore since Harvey Elliot came along earlier in the season to the point that some on here (I could mention names BUT I won't) were ready to drive him to Villa when they were interested in him cos they saw a shiny new toy in Elliott. Comparing him to other youngsters at other teams is just lazy and weak cos they have diff. qualities, play in diff. systems/ positions and for different managers BUT whatever you can do to slander your own is fair game, I guess.

Now it seems the slander is still there despite the fact that the kid had an eye injury hence, couldn't play till now. I saw the game vs Shewsbury and he was very good for a guy who hadn't played in weeks BUT like you said, not sure his detractors even watch him anymore cos well, he can't do anything right so why bother watching him?

They also forget that Jones literally ran a CL game away from home at Porto with brilliant assists and creative play where he was involved in near all the goals we scored. I guess that doesn't count anymore. Even last season, he was one of our shining lights in a struggling team and was great in the CL as well esp. vs Ajax at Anfield. Again, who cares about any of that?


15.) 11 Jan 2022 11:47:59
Jones is criminally underrated and Trent is quite literally the best right back in the world. Our current crop of academy players is the best we’ve had in about 25 years. Elliott was brought in at a very young age but correct me if i’m wrong when i say Beckham was originally at West Hams academy before moving to United? He’s top class and any team in the world would love to have him. Kelleher is an excellent young backup goalie and i honestly think Williams is starting to show people his value as he slowly rebuilds his confidence; he came into the team at the worst possible time. Morton is too early and underdeveloped to judge fully but he’s certainly way better on the ball than your average teenager. Gordon looks like he could break into the first team properly as a squad player very soon, he looks incredibly composed and confident on the ball for his age. I’d even like to remind you that Gomez is still one of the best centre backs in the world for his age and i really hope he gets a run in the team again soon and isn’t sold, he was also brought in as a teenager.

I honestly don’t know what more you could ask for with regards to young academy prospects. I feel as though people think that players like Messi and Rooney performing as they did at that age should be the norm, rather than the exception. If you take a second to step back and look at the big picture rather than constantly moaning you’ll realise all of these lads have buckets of talent and we’re very lucky to have them.


16.) 11 Jan 2022 14:04:44
I said we produced Trent. But who else in 20 years? I think Jones is a good player but that’s it. I think he’d actually be better in a different team where he’d be let create more that didn’t play their full backs so high and he didn’t have to cover them. He’s been poor defensively. City, Brighton, Brentford etc he was constantly half arsed jogging back when they’d break. Jones is in the bottom 7% for tackles in the top 5 leagues. Thiago top 3%. Fabinho top 18% Keita top 17%. Milner top 15%. Even Ox is only bottom 45%. Henderson who’s been awful going back bottom 5% Interceptions only Keita is lower than Jones. Blocks only Henderson lower. Good player going forward, still young i’m just not blown away be delighted to be proved wrong starting with Arsenal. He does to be fair need a run with Fabinho and Thiago. Fabinho for me is a top 5 dm in the world and Thiago when fully fit is world class. The drop of from those 2 to all our other midfielders is to big.


17.) 11 Jan 2022 14:38:38
It's not great in the last 20 years but also not that bad.

Coady - Wolves captain

Gulacsi - No.1 and RBL

Suso - good little career in Italy

Trent - best right back in the world

Sterling - 100 prem goals

Kelleher - our 2nd choice keeper

Jones - already a Premier League level player

Plus about 40 players in various 2nd tiers.


18.) 11 Jan 2022 16:51:15
Zagreb, I literally have no idea what you are talking about or what all these % figures you are putting out mean. The fact of the matter remains that our academy may not be the best BUT any academy that can produce the type of player TAA has become, is doing something right cos NO other academy product at any club is currently rated anywhere as high as Trent is on the world stage. Not Rashford. Not Martial. Not Sterling. Not Foden. Not Saka and I can keep going.

Also, what I find annoying is you comparing Jones to other youth players at other clubs as if that is some kind of useful barometer to judge our youth like Jones whereas you know these players play on other teams with other qualities and under diff. systems. "Jones would do better in another team". Why would that be whereas he is doing very well for the most part in our team right now where one of the top managers on the planet rates him? I disagree with that, bro.

Smith Rowe and Saka are playing in an Arsenal team where they simply CANNOT fail and can get away with underperforming like Saka has been (per Arsenal fans) . Jones plays in literally one of the top 5 best teams on the planet and clearly cannot get away with a bad half hour. There's levels to this, man.

Pls, we have youngsters who Klopp thinks are good enuff to contribute like Jones, Kelleher, Williams, Beck, Morton and Gordon and are currently doing so. So wht's your beef? Seriously, Is it too much to ask that we all support these kids instead of turning on them at every chance we get just cos they are not doing what we want fast enuff? Sheesh!


19.) 12 Jan 2022 12:39:34
Oh no Ed, not another forward comparison, Jeffers, cadamartri to name a couple, doesn't go well for the blue side pal, add in the laughable Digne is as good as Robertson due to 4 decent games lol.

{Ed025's Note - im just saying that at the moment anthony is the best gordon on merseyside lancaster...now there is no argument there mate, but mind you you do like to laud up your players to the hilt, was it bruno cheyrou who was the next zidane? people who live in glass houses and all that.. :)


20.) 12 Jan 2022 12:57:47
Bruno's goal against Chelsea all them years ago proved that he was better than Zidane, ha.


 

 

08 Jan 2022 16:18:36
Just for fun, say we sell Mane and Salah for £150m, what would everyone do with the money?

Personally I’d go for Bellingham and Saka or Bowen.

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1.) 08 Jan 2022 16:53:24
Bellingham all day long any of the other 2 would be a bonus especially Saka.


2.) 08 Jan 2022 16:53:37
Well if you have £150m in your pocket looking to buy them too you would probably have to throw in a jota aswell.


3.) 08 Jan 2022 17:18:00
And that's just for Bellingham and Saka.


4.) 08 Jan 2022 17:28:28
I'll probably retire and buy myself an island.


5.) 08 Jan 2022 19:34:47
Pogba. Think he’d complete the team.


6.) 08 Jan 2022 20:08:57
I’d take Bellingham. I’d kinda like to see someone like Gordon get a chance next to Salah or Mane see if he can make the step up. Reckon Elliot will take his chance.


 

 

 

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10 Jan 2022 11:59:24
Would be easier to just employ Leipzig’s scouts!

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06 Jan 2022 10:31:07
Higher price with a deferred payment again, Ed?

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30 Dec 2021 11:51:57
Thanks Ed, Saka seems like he’s Arsenal through and through, doubt he’d ever force a move.

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24 Dec 2021 09:04:49
Imagine spending £150m on Lukaku and Werner and still “being a striker short. ” 🤣.

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23 Dec 2021 13:49:33
Thanks Ed, sounds a bit pricey for us.

I assume we’re still on our knees financially? A few weeks ago I read somewhere that PL teams could be in for more revenue from a new TV deal?

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14 Jan 2022 11:20:30
I agree with the sell list, but we might need to add Thiago and Mane on there as potential departures to be sacrificed.

On the acquisition side, I think Diaz, Bowen and Bissouma are more likely, however would love to see an effort in signing Bellingham.

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13 Jan 2022 09:10:28
So would I, but I don’t think we can rely on our owners.

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10 Jan 2022 15:25:51
I agree, being at the game it was frustrating (albeit understandable) to choose the backwards option as opposed to driving forward or whipping in a cross.

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21 Nov 2021 19:17:27
Thanks Ed, fingers crossed they continue to improve and take their chances.

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17 Nov 2021 08:36:36
Always thought we should keep him.

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