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16 Mar 2021 11:00:37
Ed002, if you were Klopp who would be your realistic targets for CB, CM and FW this summer?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - Assuming sufficient sales to raise the money, of the players Liverpool have shown at least some level of interest in, Konate (CB), Bissouma (CM) and perhaps take a chance on a youngster to replace Origi - Ricky-Jade Jones (S) or Matthew Hoppe (S).}


1.) 16 Mar 2021 11:34:55
Agree with Konate and Bissouma but definitely need a new attacker to come in who can make an instance impact.

{Ed002's Note - The problem would be that he would be replacing Origi and unless one or more of Jota, Mane, Firmino or Salah then he would only get the same number of opportunities as Origi. If Mane or Salah were to go the choice would be different.}


2.) 16 Mar 2021 11:57:45
CB - Konate (if Kabak does not convince Klopp until the end of the season
CM - Hard to disagree with Bissouma, being BPL proven and an upgrade on Gini
FW - Patson Daka (if funds permit) and Zambia unlikely to qualify for AFCON.


3.) 16 Mar 2021 11:41:12
Thanks ed002.
So say bobby or Mane leave, who would you bring in to replace?

{Ed002's Note - Patson Daka.}


4.) 16 Mar 2021 11:44:02
If Mane were to also go, Ed?

{Ed002's Note - The Patson Daka as a striker would be attractive.}


5.) 16 Mar 2021 11:51:56
Ed, what are your thoughts on Darwin Nunez and Amine Ghouiri to replace Origi?

Given that Bissouma plays for a PL team, we may find we are priced out. Are there suitable alternatives?

Also, would Kounde be of interest to us? I feel he would complement Virgil better than Konate.

{Ed002's Note - These are all players that Liverpool has no interest in. An English club who enquired about Darwin Nunez were told he won't be available before 2022. Amine Ghouiri is not for sale.}


6.) 16 Mar 2021 12:30:12
CB B White or Webster.
CM Bissouma or H Barnes
Attack Neto or Raphina
All PL proven.


7.) 16 Mar 2021 13:24:15
I think konate, bissouma and a young striker along with minamino coming back along with all injured players would be enough next season.

What will be interesting is who will be leaving to make space for these players. They always struggle to move what some may consider squad players.


8.) 17 Mar 2021 06:25:27
Ed002, Mane and Bobby in no way should be guaranteed first team players next season. Simply Jota is not enough as competition. Salah looks a little burnt out as well coz our regular front 3 have been run into the ground.
Man City have Mahrez, Aguero, Torres (all good enough to be first team players) on the bench and able to step in when the others need a rest without a drop off in quality. Liverpool need similar blend of quality and depth coz Origi, Shaq and Minamino are just not up to scratch.
A player like Daka or maybe Donyell Make is exactly what we need. Someone who is a genuine threat to Firmino and Mane's places in the first team and who we can build our future forward line around.
I'd say Daka replaces Origi and Minamino. Elliot replaces Shaq.

{Ed002's Note - Players of a higher-profile are not going to move if they are not going to play and Liverpool do not have the money to add such players.}


9.) 17 Mar 2021 08:54:05
Just out of curiosity, how much would a player like Daka or Malen cost? I'd assume in 30 million pound region along with agent fees.
Maybe LFC will need to find buyers and good prices for Origi, Minamino and Shaq before we look for that type of forward.

{Ed002's Note - Of that order.}


10.) 17 Mar 2021 10:35:24
I'd never heard of Daka before but have been checking him out on youtube (not always a concrete source of credibility) but from what I saw he reminds me a lot of Mane. Very fast, strong and decent with both feet. Also still very young. I'd love to see him in our red shirt!


11.) 17 Mar 2021 10:42:03
Patson Daka looks great!
How much will he go for? Big money?


12.) 17 Mar 2021 18:29:16
No offence to anyone on here, but all these talks gives the impression that the Academy is non existent or is useless or clueless in identifying, recruiting and developing emerging talents.
Thanks.

{Ed077's Note - in what way? Players come and go every year, at every club


13.) 17 Mar 2021 19:16:54
Why not explore the academy and give them a chance instead of looking for other team's players, e. g Nat Philips, jones.


 

 

28 Jan 2021 09:21:51
Eds, clearly Klopp is pushing for a new CB this window as explained by Ed001 yesterday.

We know Diego Carlos was the man who was wanted back in the summer and Ben White is a long term consideration but, who have we genuinely been trying to acquire or at least looking at THIS window?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - I have given the list of CBs Liverpool has been looking at but I would not expect a £50M Ben White this week. For me, if Liverpool wish to add a player who could help out now the answer is Subotic who is a Free Agent and Klopp knows him well.}


1.) 28 Jan 2021 09:31:39
Agreed Ed002 we don't need a world beater at the moment we need an experienced body to come in for 6 months and go from there, do you think Klopp would move for a free agent or go with what he has? how are you during this C.V.? still in the UK?

{Ed002's Note - Subotic would be the ideal solution to the immediate issue but would need to exclude Virgil van Dijk or another from the squad in order to add him.}


2.) 28 Jan 2021 09:51:56
Subotic wouldn’t be a bad shout at all as a stop gap. I think that given Kelleher has stepped up so well, maybe Adrian could be the one to drop out?


3.) 28 Jan 2021 09:59:21
Surely it won’t be an issue removing Virgil Ed unless Klopp thinks he will back to play this season.

{Ed002's Note - There has been no update about van Dijk returning.}


4.) 28 Jan 2021 10:48:38
Adrian should be dropped from the 25 man squad. Kelleher is better, and Adrian's leaving in the summer anyways. Why waste a foreign quota spot on a bang average 3rd choice GK?


5.) 28 Jan 2021 11:54:01
Until Ali or Kelleher get injured.


6.) 28 Jan 2021 14:52:08
I agree, remove Adrian. He is 3rd choice and that makes sense. Just to add to that, Kelleher is Irish, but does he qualify as Home Grown?


7.) 28 Jan 2021 16:00:24
per Ed002: to be home grown has to have played for us for 3 years between ages 16 and 21.

{Ed002's Note - Not quite:

(1) Home Grown: The EPL squad rules are a max of 25 players over 21, of which a max of 17 can be non-Home Grown. The remaining eight have to be HG (spending 3 years between 16 and 21 with an English or Welsh side, regardless of nationality, e.g. Nathan Ake is Home Grown for the EPL). If there are not enough HG players, then the squad size reduces, so if there are only six, the squad reduces to 23. In terms of UEFA competitions, the rules vary slightly with the eight "HG". A maximum of four of those eight can be trained by other clubs in the English and Welsh association. The remaining have to be club developed and trained. So If Arsenal were to recruit Mason Mount, he would fall in to the category of being association trained (by Chelsea) rather than club trained. Again, if there are not sufficient club trained players the squad size is reduced. So for Liverpool, Caoimhin Kelleher, Harry Wilson and Trent Alexander-Arnold are the three that meet this criteria so the squad size in Europe will be 24 rather than 25 (or 23 if Wilson is sold).

(2) Club developed: In terms of "club developed and trained" means that they have spent at least 12 months with the club before the year of their 19th birthday. As such Ryan Sessegnon is not club developed by Spurs nor Joe Gomez by Liverpool.At present:

HG (7)
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
James Milner
Joe Gomez
Jordan Henderson
Nathanial Phillips

HG and Club Developed (2)
Caoimhin Kelleher
Trent Alexander-Arnold.


8.) 28 Jan 2021 16:29:18
was just about to say all that but hit send too early!
lol.


9.) 28 Jan 2021 17:03:22
So when Milner hangs he boots up we will need to replace him with another HG player then.

{Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that. The squad management at Liverpool is poor as you know. They need to meet quotas even if Milner players another 5 years.}


10.) 28 Jan 2021 17:19:19
The likes of Jones and Elliott coming through will help in that regard.


11.) 28 Jan 2021 19:20:35
ed2, probably a numpty question here. but let's say FSG has every intention to purchase a CB, just not until the summer. What is the difference between investing funds they would have spent anyways, but just doing it earlier?

{Ed002's Note - Availability of money - and avaiability of players.}


 

 

10 Sep 2020 09:38:30
According to journalist, Constantin Eckner Liverpool have finally offered £22.7m (25m euros) for Thiago.

Ed002, is this true?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anything having changed at the moment.}


1.) 10 Sep 2020 11:44:20
I hope after all hype surrounding Thiago, he is good as people seem to think.

If true, i suppose that could mean Wijnsldum is on his way.


2.) 10 Sep 2020 12:40:33
I think if something was going to happen with Thiago then it would of done by now, the fact we Still haven’t approached Bayern speaks volumes imo and if Gini does leave we will look to bring in Grujic.


3.) 10 Sep 2020 14:58:19
The level of drop off when you replace Wijnaldum with Keita/ Ox is massive. I don’t think people realise how important Wij is. He’s the one who’s never injured in that midfield. Henderson, Ox, Keita even Fabinho all love a good injury. So does Thiago. We should think carefully before we go discarding any of our first team 11 that brought the Prem and the UCL.


4.) 10 Sep 2020 15:03:08
We haven’t approached Bayern because we don’t have the cash.

When/ if we do, I imagine we will then have a chat, that goes for all signings.


5.) 10 Sep 2020 15:55:04
There's time yet DTD.

As with every window, you just got to wait and see.


 

 

29 Apr 2020 18:36:42
Ed, do you know what is due to be discussed at the PL meeting on Friday? If so, are you able to share any of it?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - It will include a formal introduction to the new chair of the PL; a briefing on the discussions with the Government health advisors with the Premier League, The FA and EPL health advisors; a briefing on the potential to restart and how that might be possible; and discussions on the proposal from the FA to use independent facilities (there will likely be a push to avoid a vote as it may well fail). Then open discussions which will again see the growing number of clubs re-iterate their position on needing a drop-dead date by which the league would need to resume by, or a line drawn across. There is a push from two sides (and there may be others in agreement) that they should openly discuss ways the season could end if it cannot be restarted in a reasonable timescale. There will likely be some discussions about financial considerations and perhaps feedback on the discussions with the broadcasters - but as far as I know they are still ongoing.


1.) 29 Apr 2020 19:37:45
Excellent, thank you very Ed.


2.) 29 Apr 2020 20:52:08
I'd like to see it resolved by a 5-aside tournament over a weekend.

Representing LFC:

ALISSON
VAN DYKE
FIRMINO
SALAH MANE.


3.) 29 Apr 2020 23:05:30
So 5 a side using 4 players🤔🤔.


4.) 29 Apr 2020 23:31:15
Virgil would be no good in a 5 a side, try Allison, Gomez, Gini, Mane, Bobby.


5.) 30 Apr 2020 04:45:30
Port- count again smartypants 🤦‍♂️
What would your team be anyway?

King- why would VVD not be good at 5 aside. Positionally sound, no?


6.) 30 Apr 2020 07:10:53
I think that Millie should be in any 5 a side team we put out.


7.) 30 Apr 2020 08:40:53
Surely Fabinho must be In there and I love the comment five a side with four players quality.


8.) 30 Apr 2020 09:31:10
Stoneage has clearly named 5 players, right selection too.


9.) 30 Apr 2020 10:11:55
I count 5 port red.


10.) 30 Apr 2020 12:33:26
@stoneage 5 a side needs warriors who are multi skilled and full of energy, Gomez check, Gini check, Mane check and Booby check and you need Allison in goal who can also use his feet, check. Someone mentioned Milner that was a good shout and Henderson too would be but these are my 5.

5 a-side is very different to 11 a-side, if you have played the game.

KC.


11.) 30 Apr 2020 13:40:42
Any 5 LFC players in any position against any team for me please.

{Ed025's Note - karius, lovren, matip, lallana, origi....get beat 10-0 every game wiltshire..


12.) 30 Apr 2020 14:45:11
Not against Everton with Divock on the pitch, Ed025!


13.) 30 Apr 2020 14:21:19
Depends if we play everton ed025, you know origi loves a goal against your lot so maybe 10-2?

{Ed025's Note - i will give you that WYred mate.. :)


14.) 30 Apr 2020 19:30:40
5 aside

Allison
Van dike
Trent
Firmino mane.


15.) 30 Apr 2020 20:08:16
It should surely be:

Alisson,
Taa, Gomea,
Milner, Origi.

No need for extreme pace in a 5-a-side team. The forward just needs to be able to finsh. For the front two, work-rate is huge. Enough creativity from the back with TAA.

I love them both, but I don't think Mane and Salah would be as good in 5-a-side.

P. S. I managed a 5-a-side and a 7-a-side team for years, and also played in them, Different skill-sets require different thinking.

Also, Origi would be amazing at 5-a-side.


16.) 30 Apr 2020 22:28:43
Surely any 5 a side needs Bobby in it?! Quick, skillful feet, he'd be amazing in closed spaces.


17.) 01 May 2020 07:15:04
What about

Elisha Scott
Ray Kennedy
Jan Molby
John Barnes
Mo Salah

Kind of dreamy eh? Ed25.

{Ed025's Note - i would buy a ticket to watch those wiltshire, some great names there mate and i was a massive fan of molby..


18.) 01 May 2020 21:04:05
And your all time top toffees ed?

{Ed025's Note - southall, stevens, ratcliffe, alan ball, latchford...they beat everyone wiltshire.. :)


19.) 03 May 2020 19:14:35
It's got to be Southall. There wouldn't be much room past him in 5-a-side nets.


 

 

28 Apr 2020 18:10:57
Looks like the Fifa medical team and Ligue 1 have just burst the little bit of hope I had.

Ed002, as you've said many a time, it's down to each individual league what they do, however i assume the Fifa advice will be taken very seriously?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - FIFA need to constrain their activities to what is in their remit and they, like UEFA, have overstepped the mark on a number of occasions. After a meeting of the "elite sides" more than a week ago a letter was sent to UEFA about their previous statements about finishing the season and their threats to clubs that don't - that led UEFA to step down. The comment from the FIFA medical perspective is based on advice that has recently changed. FIFA have provided a drop dead date for ending the seasons which is driven by their own tournaments - but local FAs will use it and make a decision based on achiving that and the gound swell of opinion from the clubs . in some countries the Government are making the rulings and overriding the FAs. Some countries are better prepared than others - and remember that the UK has the worst death rate in Europe and is behind the loop in timescales compared to Spain, France and Italy - that needs to be taken in to account. The Premier League will not tolerate an extremenly distasteful remark by a senior representative of one side last week. In terms of being prepared for a decision:
Belgium - season over.
Netherlands - season over.
France - season over.
Denmark - announcement this week - but likely season over.
Germany - provisions if season cannot be completed.
Spain - provisions if season cannot be completed (although one contravesial point needs agreeing).
Scotland - season open for SPL but clubs want closure and a line drawn across.
England - hopeless - running late in agreeing provisions if season cannot complete. A swell of clubs want the season ended as no end in sight - the dates being given have no basis.
Serie A - Goverment want to push for completion but swell of clubs want to draw a line across - possible that some clubs will refuse to play.}


1.) 28 Apr 2020 19:33:11
I'm fairly certain that the bundesliga is the only major league with any chance of getting going again. Obviously it's down to the individual league how they end the season and its starting to look like every one will be slightly different. Belgium declared champions, Holland no champions and no relegation/ promotion. The 3 scenarios muted in France all see PSG as champions and the same 3 teams relegated. I know there is a lot of money involved in the big 4 leagues (I guess this is why they will be the last to pull the trigger) but surely Fridays meeting will be the time to make decisions.


2.) 28 Apr 2020 19:49:22
Once again, thank you very much, Ed.

What a mess from the top down!


3.) 28 Apr 2020 19:57:17
I have a horrible feeling the senior rep was from Liverpool.

We, collectively, need to make a decision in the UK, I feel they are going to push for it to come back, succeed but within days a senior player/ manager will get it and football will be cancelled again. Leaving the authorities with egg on their face, be decisive do what needs to be done and draw a line.

Bring Leeds, WBA up, relegate no one, for one season remove PL teams from League cup to make room for the extra games. Then relegate 5 and promote 3 to bring it back to a 20 team league. European places as they are and and a vote by PL clubs if they wish to put us down as champions, or declare no champions and we have to go again next year.


4.) 28 Apr 2020 20:49:26
Why should other teams get their cl or promotions and Liverpool don’t get their title they have ran away with? Yeah I am all about Liverpool so what! U can’t give teams accomplishment and one that deserves it most none! If it’s null n void so be it but I’m not having the other crap it is or it isn’t! And I appreciate the low down from ed02 it’s a fantastic insight thanks 👍🏼.

{Ed002's Note - There is no null and void option. If Liverpool want to be awarded to it they should take the same approach as in Belgium - ask the League to award it and then it can go to a vote.}


5.) 28 Apr 2020 20:56:48
I feel like Ed might have told us if the rep was from Liverpool. He likes to keep the information he gives out club specific, whilst not pulling his punches on said specific club, so being vague tells me that it's likely someone else.


6.) 28 Apr 2020 21:46:47
Jay club red if LFC are awarded the title who then would qualify for the European places and who would be relegated? Or should we decide Liverpool are the best cancel all football for evermore and leave it there . That way you get your wish every season .


7.) 28 Apr 2020 23:27:48
Extra clubs means less tv revenue per club . I can't see any takers voting for that .


8.) 29 Apr 2020 09:24:37
Cloacina at present LFC are the only team qualified for Europe and my that’s my point why award other teams it when they have not earned it! We clearly deserve the title! Don’t be smart with your cancel football crap! The table never lies it could go down to ppg for the rest!


9.) 29 Apr 2020 10:12:15
Jay i don’t think many would argue that we deserve the title.

But if you are in villas position do you think it’s right they get relegated?

Ppg only tells the story up until now and doesn’t take into account who teams still have to play. For instance one of the teams in the bottom three may have all the sides around them to play. Ppg doesn’t take that into account of the fact that these are now must win games.

As for the CL places the competition will happen next season so who qualifies will need to be decided, fairest way to do that is take the positions as they sit.

Having to end the season is far from ideal but if it happens they need to find the fairest solution for clubs, but even then they can’t play lease everybody.


10.) 29 Apr 2020 10:15:05
Jay the only thing ppg does not work out can remember with 9 games to go the bottom 3 staying the same same as the top but this is when the pressure is on and some teams handle it as some don’t. I think if there is going to be a call off of all leagues then it would be better if the year all did the same. If some leagues are giving titles and promotions and relegations and some are not does not seem right. I think UEFA could maybe set the rule for all leagues to follow.


11.) 29 Apr 2020 08:22:11
Ed002 was the France league taken out of there hands with the french government ban all sporting events till September even behind closed doors. What do you think french teams in cl and el do if that does start in August. As for England are lockdown has been nowhere near as tight as a lot of other countries, I have a friend who lives in Paris and it’s a lot more tighter with there rules you need to print some form off to go out and was only allowed to go out like us but then it cut it back there but there seems a lot of people going to work in the uk that don’t need to.

{Ed002's Note - There were discussion with the Government and the clubs in the top two leagues - with several League 2 sides saying they would not play regardless. The Champions League and anything otherwise related to UEFA did not come in to it. Should the Champions League go ahead as UEFA plan in August it will be up to PSG and Lyon to decide whether or not they play - but the games are not planned to be held in France in any case. The clubs support the view of the Government.

The lockdown rules vary per country. The UK was unprepare, late acting and remains in the position where advice has often been misleading or not taken - such as the wearing of masks. Perhaps that is why the UK has the highest death toll in Europe whilst only reporting those deatchs that occure (a) after testing positive, and (b) which occur in hospital.}


12.) 29 Apr 2020 12:05:02
I am not convinced that rushing to a decision is the right thing to do, I personally do not see football being played this year. That is why I suggested the 20/ 21 season is scrapped and we finish this current season restarting from Feb 2020 with pre season friendlies and start the season early March. As for ECL and that other European competition I have no idea how to sort that mess out.

{Ed002's Note - It is not possible to scrap next season. Many clubs, including Liverpool, would not survive.}


13.) 29 Apr 2020 12:13:41
Ed, totally off topic from a football point of view - I agree that the UK were unprepared and slow to act, however there are many more factors to consider as to why the UK has the highest death rate.

London accounts for the highest numebr of cases and deaths in the UK by a considerable distance. As Europes largest major international hub, it was always going to be difficult to keep numbers down with the third highest the population density in Europe. But, action should have been taken to cancel Cheltenham and Liverpool vs Atletico, they should should never have taken place.

Each country is totally different in demographic, how they live and how well equipped they are for such a situation, hence why we would be foolish to follow in other countries footsteps, something i know you've previously pointed out when (myself included) have attempted to point to La Liga or Bundesliga as a way of restarting the season.

{Ed002's Note - Absolutely agree.}


14.) 29 Apr 2020 16:56:26
Wyred and grino I do agree with your points! But let’s look at the elephant in the room lfc deserve that title and Europe so that’s the 1st problem solved. Next is the European spots and as it stands that's who id give the places to harsh on others maybe but teams there deserve that place as for relegation again the table doesn’t lie! I know none of this would happen but I’m just saying how I see it lads! I don’t care about tainted or what ever the null and void fans call it it’s No19 if it happens 🙏🏻.


15.) 29 Apr 2020 18:13:10
Null and void won’t happen! Drawing a line under the season is different from null and void.

There are several different points here but we can’t just be given it without a vote from the other sides but, at least from me, there is no argument that we would of got the final two wins to seal it, or one if we beat city. We have been so consistent in getting over the line in games that if we don’t get it or the chance to see it over the line I would feel hard done by.

However, like everything in the uk, things should only reopen, or go back to work when safe.

As for the league, let’s flip it and say we have had a horrible season and in the bottom three when this happens, would you feel you should get relegated without playing your full allocation of games. Plus what if you have had a rotten run of fixtures and played all the top ten but have the bottom 9 to play? I agree the table doesn’t lie but at two points in the season, half way and when it’s complete.


16.) 29 Apr 2020 23:15:14
Ed02, you say clubs would not survive if next season is cancelled, Inc Liverpool, but most experts say a vaccine is at least 12 months away and social distancing measures will be in place til one is available. How can contact sprot continue next season if that's the case. Surely cannot be measures in place for some and not others,

{Ed002's Note - There has been no decision to stop all sport until a vaccine is available.}


 

 

 

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21 Apr 2021 12:59:17
I'll be very interested to see how the clubs are punished, as Ed002 suggested unfortunately there's no way of punishing the owners and not the club.

I can't see relegations happening, however I wouldn't be surprised to have points docked and very heavy fines.

ToonRed

1.) 21 Apr 2021 13:21:15
May I suggest that it is very difficult to punish anyone for something that hasn't happened yet.


2.) 21 Apr 2021 13:28:51
I doubt anyone will get punished.


3.) 21 Apr 2021 13:33:07
Exactly JACKMYTTON how can teams be punnished for something that never actually happened.


4.) 21 Apr 2021 13:36:34
If you attack a surrendering army you force them to fight back. Hopefully said authorities put the 12 clubs on notice and don’t start to try and force excessive punishment or the 12 clubs might fight back. Only my opinion
Up the reds.


5.) 21 Apr 2021 13:39:16
The club will not get punished for this, I doubt they have legal grounds to punish them.


6.) 21 Apr 2021 13:45:27
Punished for what? The FA and uefa will open a can of worms they are as sly and corrupt at any of the elite 6 owners!
Uefa magically found 4bn in a account stop the lights!


7.) 21 Apr 2021 14:01:49
Of course you can get punished for things that haven't happened. planning to commit fraud, murder or anything illegal can be punished in law and I’m sure some contracts have been broken with what has happened.


8.) 21 Apr 2021 13:08:50
On balance, and having calmed down a fair bit from where I was last night, I think hefty fines are the fairest way to limit (as best as possible) the punishment to the owners rather than the players, fans or managers.

Obviously, a fine may result in transfer funds being reduced as a result, especially given the world situation right now. However, a fine would have least impact on the other groups involved, in my view.

Also, maybe one of the Eds can help here, are FA/ UEFA/ FIFA fines included as expenses when doing the FFP calculations?

{Ed002's Note - They are noise in respect of FFP. Clubs will spend more on catering the Directors dining room.}


9.) 21 Apr 2021 14:21:29
In my opinion, all 12 teams knew about one key factor here; the "closed shop" aspect. Maybe the detail was misrepresented to some, but they were all signing up in the knowledge they'd get special treatment via a place in an elite tournament that they didn'thave to earn. That for me brings the integrity of the game into disrepute. I'd hit every team who signed up with a 15 point deduction effective immediately.

{Ed002's Note - That was not what was misrepresented.}


10.) 21 Apr 2021 14:41:29
That's my point Ed002. They all knew they were signing up to automatic qualification and it us that aspect (taking away competition) that in my opinion brought the game into disrepute. The greed stuff is just noise to me. UEFA have just announced their own attempt at making more money through additional continental games. I had no issue with the greed as i felt it was a hypocritical point considering the alternative was continuing under FIFA/ UEFA. Not to mention the players want increasingly more money whilst the fans want to pay less for ticketswhilst simultaneously expecting the owners to reach into their own pockets. Everyone involved in football is greedy. I saw fans replying to the official apology with "good, now go sign Mbappe and we forgive you". The fans and players are no better when it comes to greed but at least we understand the importance of earning your place and don't devalue the integrity of the sport. I love Liverpool but the club deserves to be punished. John Henry represents us whether we like it or not.

{Ed002's Note - Nobody sees it as disrepute. The amateur lawyers are beginning to confuse things for everybody here.}


11.) 21 Apr 2021 15:12:14
I’m going to go full conspiracy theorist and say even if there are public sanctions/ punishments handed out, I think uefa, the FA and whoever else involved will take it to the pitch as well and give these teams some dubious officiating for their troubles. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we just kept getting the short end of the stick on officiating to hurt us on the pitch, they already are at times as it is.


12.) 21 Apr 2021 15:02:41
I think the instigators of this scheme have already paid a very heavy price (Woodward and Agnelli having to resign and Henry issuing a groveling, humiliating apology to the fans by video message) . Anything beyond that would be making the clubs pay a price for something they did not do, or were not willing participants of. I'm not an apologist, and will simply say the rules are the rules. If fines and docking of points has to happen then let it be so. Everyone knew, the rules are clearly written in black and white.

The more interesting part for me, is to know what the way forward is now, since the dust is beginning to settle and all the emotion is subsiding, with calm rational thought coming back to take over. Have FSG cancelled out their entire credit, with the fans, established over 10 years? I'm on the fence on that one. Our history of the last 30 years has more "bad ownership" than the "good" type and we should all be hesitant and look before we leap. And let's not forget that there are several similar proposals still on the table and still being discussed. All this did not happen in a vacuum or happen out of nowhere. With hindsight, it appears that these 12 owners simply got caught with their hand in the cookie jar in their mindless haste. They learnt a valuable lesson. Many other owners are still interested in similar ways forward, but doing it differently.


13.) 21 Apr 2021 15:40:59
I'm not sure that there is a legitimate route to any tangible punishment or penalties - i. e. points deductions or financial. Did the proposal to join a breakaway European Super League breach any rules, regulations or laws? If not, then I don't see how it can be punishable. Indeed, if the Super League had gone ahead and then the FA, UEFA and other federations had tried to expel clubs and players from competitions, they might have found that they didn't have legal grounds for doing so.

What might be more likely is an intensifying of the "them and us" sentiment between these six clubs and the rest of the Premier League clubs. I'm not sure whether that would manifest itself in anything that would feel like punishment or discomfort for the "Big Six" but, for example, a future vote on five substitutions or something similar might see the other fourteen clubs make a stronger stand against the "Big Six". Ultimately though, I think the Premier League and it's constituent clubs find themselves in a position whereby if they do anything that significantly impacts or weakens the likes of Liverpool, Utd and City, then the impact might trickle down to all of them.


14.) 21 Apr 2021 17:00:50
Nobody's getting punished so those fans begging for their pound of flesh from FSG need to give it a rest.


15.) 21 Apr 2021 16:52:48
Disrepute - "the state of being held in low esteem by the public. "

I'm sorry Ed002, but i care not for the legality of this because that's not my area and i'm not claiming to be a lawyer It's absolutely the correct terminology though and the punishment i suggested is simply what i see fit, but i have no idea what the actual rules are. I don't know a single fan who didn't hold the game in low esteem in the last 72 hours so if the powers that be don't see this as disrepute they live under a rock. The reputation of the sport has taken a huge hit.

{Ed002's Note - The issue is that the owners, together with their friends, the owners of Manchester United have damaged the clubs, the reputation of the clubs and the trust others have in the clubs. I would suggest that the powers that be (whoever you think they are) could be satisfied if these two clubs took the honorable approach. If there is even the smallest piece of honour left in these two clubs, given all respect and trust has gone, perhaps nobody would care any longer if they declined their next entry in to European competition that they qualify for - so apologise by saying sorry, but we won't enter the Champions League this season given we were trying to destroy it. If they did that, they would lose a bunch of money but regain some respect of others in the game. The question is: "Is chivalry dead? Or do the owners of Manchester United and Liverpool not understand what it means."}


16.) 22 Apr 2021 01:54:43
If there's a few dollars to be made in being chivalrous im sure they will do it. I highly doubt Henry and Glazers will be making any apologetic gestures because its morally the right thing to do.

{Ed0666's Note - I fully expect to be charged $1 to use the toilet at Anfield when fans are allowed back. $3 for a number two.


 

 

21 Apr 2021 08:56:58
As an alternative to trying to increase revenue by bleeding fans dry, forming break away greed leagues, creating commercial partnerships for the likes of Blu Tack and generally acting in a despicable manner why don’t the clubs look at their expenditure and collectively discuss across all leagues and agree a sustainable wage structure with sensible caps in place?

It seems as if we’ve gone from £100k a week being the top wage to being the standard for your average joe in a very short space of time.

ToonRed

1.) 21 Apr 2021 10:04:56
Great idea but not sure how it would with players already on astronomical salaries and long contracts. I think they all need to take a long look at themselves and think what they can do to improve their own leagues rather than take out of it. Hopefully this will be the catalyst.


2.) 21 Apr 2021 10:16:25
The Leagues should appoint an account to go to each club and let them see the books, deciding how much can be spent on wages, transfers etc, each league needs a cap, football isn't a sustainable business. Hypocrites shouting at hypocrites is all the last 48hrs has been.


 

 

24 Mar 2021 13:24:19
Anyone heard how any of the academy have done whilst the seniors are away on international break?

ToonRed

1.) 24 Mar 2021 13:41:10
Very well. There was a behind closed doors friendly (Liverpool Red vs Liverpool Black) where all the remaining senior players were involved alongside 12 academy players specially selected by Matos and Inglethorpe.

The game ended 5-1 with the red teams goals coming from Woodburn x3, R. Williams x1 and Kaide Gordon x1. The consolation goal for the team in black was scored by Koumetio.

By all accounts Woodburn blew Klopp and Lijnders away. Also great to see 17 year old Gordon settling in fast after his £1m move from Derby in January.

Mateusz Musialowski is also training with the first team and if you haven't seen his latest goal, check it out. He himself said it was inspired by Messi. Unreal close control, pace and power displayed. He picked up possession on half way, then decided to go past 4 players before hammering into the far top corner from about 18 yards.

One negative is that Layton Stewart has suffered a bad injury. Although Joe Hardy stepped in and bagged a brace in the last u23's game.


2.) 24 Mar 2021 16:49:18
Brilliant in depth reporting from MKS, right there. You should be a football Journo, man.


3.) 24 Mar 2021 17:51:36
OliRed, lol right?


4.) 24 Mar 2021 19:00:03
Thanks MK.


5.) 24 Mar 2021 19:28:24
I wouldn't get to excited by woodburn. would love him to make it but sadly not good enough.


6.) 25 Mar 2021 11:42:10
Much appreciated.


 

 

11 Mar 2021 08:42:27
The difference a game (and having Fab back in the midfield) makes!

Who do we want in the QF's then?

ToonRed

{Ed077's Note - maybe PSG?

I would actually like to see Dortmund vs Liverpool.

Also last night was just 1 game, lets see how you guys fare in the league and if you can build on last nights result and performance. There is also a chance that RBL are a bit more focused on the league and cup, they probably want to win something now.}


1.) 11 Mar 2021 08:56:28
Come eds77 let us dream even if it’s just for two days 😂.

{Ed077's Note - you have to try and build on the result and performance from last night. And I actually see it happening. Klopp coming out and commiting his future after announcement of Low's departure might help uplift the mood round the club.}


2.) 11 Mar 2021 12:45:30
I want R Madrid in the QF. Some unfinished business there.


3.) 11 Mar 2021 12:41:09
Spot on, Ed. I would not mind PSG really even tho, they can hurt us for sure cos they were a shambles vs Barcelona last night. Had Barcelona taken their chances (Dembele is pants at CF) and had Messi scored that pen, PSG prolly don't qualify. Dortmund won't be too bad either, really.


 

 

05 Mar 2021 12:54:35
The thing that has wound me up the most is Michael Owen, an ambassador of the club stirring the pot by suggesting Mane is avoiding penalties so Mo doesn’t get to score them!

ToonRed

1.) 05 Mar 2021 13:10:31
That made me chuckle.

{Ed077's Note - please god no. I would like to suggest people to stop mentioning that charisma vacuum please. Whenever someone mentions him, even my internet gives out, or the stream breaks.

Why would people actively want to destroy their brain cells by listening to that d!ckhead.


Could we just ban his name altogether?


2.) 05 Mar 2021 13:12:16
The man is an embarrassment.


3.) 05 Mar 2021 14:30:35
Yes please ban his name Ed077.

{Ed077's Note - so guys if I ever see anyone mention that Charisma vacuum's name, the post is getting deleted ;)


4.) 05 Mar 2021 14:33:55
Are Barcelona still Owen us any money for Coutinho, Ed077? ;-)

{Ed077's Note - I hate you.


5.) 05 Mar 2021 14:43:26
OP, didn't MO stop being a club ambassador? On the other hand, the likes of Owen and Carra are the best people the media can use to go after LFC. Why? Cos no one can accuse them of being biased against hence, they must be telling the truth hence, their reprehensible attacks on Liverpool are validated.

It is the first rule you learn in propaganda. This is why I stopped caring about these dudes and their opinions (the ones they are paid to spout hence, don't believe in) cos it is all propaganda.


6.) 05 Mar 2021 14:52:21
Love it zed.


7.) 05 Mar 2021 14:56:50
Awh stop taking the Michael.


8.) 05 Mar 2021 16:34:17
Owen me Owen you aha.

{Ed077's Note - pi55 off


9.) 05 Mar 2021 17:30:27
Owen is just jealous of Salah's 100% conversion rate when he missed half the ones he took.


10.) 06 Mar 2021 01:59:54
can refs give a pen for a player who is fouled but keeps his feet? are the rules written in a way that means a ref can't call it?


 

 

 

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09 May 2021 09:36:47
It’s Udinese who won’t accept a payment plan for Rodrigo du Paul, they want a cash deal only. We need to concentrate on selling some players!

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16 Mar 2021 11:44:02
If Mane were to also go, Ed?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - The Patson Daka as a striker would be attractive.}


 

 

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27 Feb 2021 10:52:50
Got a feeling Neuhaus might be this year’s Werner.

ToonRed

{Ed077's Note - the "interest" in Neuhaus doesn't look to be that "serious" right now.}


 

 

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11 Feb 2021 17:10:58
Do you not think we'd need another midfielder if Shaq, Keita, Gini, Grujic were to leave? Especially with Milner being another year older.

I agree on Bissouma but can't help but think we need a proper goal scoring midfielder as well.

ToonRed

{Ed001's Note - next season is not likely to be like this one, so we won't need quite so many midfielders (not that Keita is ever fit or that Grujic has ever been available so not sure they count). Jones will be a year older too, but that is a bonus and I was hoping Ox might get back somewhere near his best + hopefully another youngster will come through.}


 

 

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15 Sep 2020 16:02:10
Sale or loan, Ed?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - The clubs want loans. Liverpool might want to sell to raise funds - but could easily price him out of a move as they have done with others.}


 

 

 

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13 May 2021 12:20:30
I assume this means that we’ve now spoken with Leipzig, Ed?

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - Not yet as I understand it. RBL have always been clear that they will not be looking to negotiate away from the required single payment for the player.}


 

 

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20 Apr 2021 20:52:12
Just Liverpool and Utd or all 6, Ed? What a crying shame that the players and staff are so heavily punished when they had no idea what was going on.

ToonRed

{Ed002's Note - I cannot even imagine Liverpool looking to take up any European places for at least a couple of years. It won’t impact the other sides.}


 

 

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15 Apr 2021 20:24:11
Would love to one day see a midfield three combo of Curtis on the left, TAA on the right and another scouser as DM.

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15 Apr 2021 10:35:01
Totally agree on not attacking crosses. Who would you bring in to provide that threat Ed?

ToonRed

{Ed001's Note - Jota usually attacks them, as we have seen. I would just replace Mane with him for starters. Maybe drop Firmino into midfield at times to play someone like Jones or Elliott ahead of him and coach them to attack the box. It can be taught, just like pressing, you just need a player to see a trigger and that initiates a run. It is not like it is a difficult trigger either, the moment a ball is played towards a full-back out wide, get yourself moving towards the 6 yard box. The coaching obsession with maintaining possession in recent years has meant that kids are not being trained as they once were to attack the box. Crosses are seen as primitive and are used less frequently by most teams. But we are different, we do cross regularly, so we should teach our players to anticipate that. It is not always about buying players, sometimes you have to look to within to solve problems, like we did when we were short of a right-back.}


 

 

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05 Mar 2021 09:32:51
Completely agree on Gini and Fab, Ed. What about ins and outs in the summer?

ToonRed

{Ed001's Note - I don't know mate, this summer is going to be weird with no money and there is no way to know who would be available or within reach.}