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21 May 2021 15:24:00
Seeing that the Echo are reporting we are still interested in Koulibaly.

Wanted to garner views on whether Koulibaly or Konate would be a preferred option for us?

What does one offer over the other? I've looked back at Koulibaly's injury history (as that seems to be the significant hesitation over Konate) and although he's been relatively injury free in the past, there have been a few injuries more recently - he's missed 23 games (according to Transfermarkt) in the last 2 seasons, albeit 4 of them were through CV.


1.) 22 May 2021 11:56:44
Koulibaly is not going to happen due to age and price, Konate could be a problem with us speaking to him first and RBL may make us pay for that, as I said previously Maxence Lacroix is an option LFC are considering along with Kabak - I think we will bring in 2 CB's for the price of Diego Carlos and let Matip and Philips go - leaving us with Gomez, VVD and 2 new others with Rhys Williams being number 5.

2.) 22 May 2021 12:08:09
Koulibaly would be 30 soon. Unless we can buy him for not a lot of money, we should pass.

3.) 22 May 2021 12:11:03
Konate 100%.

4.) 22 May 2021 12:18:34
He’s 29 and Napoli still want the thick end of £60m, so if mark that one as a non starter.

5.) 22 May 2021 13:53:38
Wouldn’t count on us signing Konate. RBL want the fee up front.

6.) 22 May 2021 16:17:07
Kingcarlos how can they make us pay he has a clause so all we have to do is meet that they won’t sell for anything less than that to anybody.

7.) 23 May 2021 01:38:03
Nat Phillips has been fantastic, keep him and let Matip and Rhys go.

8.) 23 May 2021 11:30:02
grino, the problem is exactly the fact they want the money up front, which we don’t have. RBL don’t want or need to accept instalments. I’m doubtful it will happen imho. Almost identical to Timo Werner and remind me where he ended up?



20 May 2021 13:50:45
I am really scratching my head over the Aaron Ramsey link.

The fact he has not played more than 30 league games since 2015-16 just doesn't strike me as even a decent gamble on experience (as Thiago has been) .

Am I missing something?


1.) 20 May 2021 14:46:30
He was awful at Arsenal and he’s been awful at Juventus.

Apparently it started in the s*n, so you know it’s not true.

He’s more likely to end up at Palace or West Ham thankfully.

2.) 20 May 2021 14:48:32
He’s also not that good even when fit.

3.) 20 May 2021 15:01:35
there is no link don't worry.

4.) 20 May 2021 15:37:48
I'd keep Keita rather than sign Ramsey.

5.) 20 May 2021 18:32:59
I actually think this unites all the posters on here that we unanimously don’t want to sign Ramsey!

6.) 20 May 2021 19:15:45
I hope we sign Aaron Ramsey.

7.) 20 May 2021 22:25:34
Haven’t seen much at Juventus but Ramsey being awful at Arsenal couldn’t be further from the truth he was fantastic. Gerrard even called him the best attacking midfielder in the league. Maybe not Ramsey himself but he’s 100% the profile of player we need just someone younger and fitter.

8.) 20 May 2021 23:43:39
He was mediocrity personified at Arsenal, and that’s being generous. We’d be flushing £10m and his exorbitant wages (apparently he’s on £400’000 a week?! ) down the bog if we wasted money on him. We have enough players over 30 and need to be bringing in younger more dynamic players.

9.) 21 May 2021 05:32:27
My impression of Ramsey when he was fit enough to play was of a player who had skill but was content to coast through matches (perhaps to avoid injury? ) . One memorable occasion I saw him so busy telling off someone on the bench that he ignored the ball going past him and only turned around to see the ball in the back of his net. Ozil copping heaps from commentators for his "lack of effort" whilst Ramsey barely broke a sweat summed up for me a lot of what as wrong at Arsenal.

10.) 21 May 2021 06:49:47
I think a recommendation from Steven Gerrard isn’t as good as you’d like to think, after all, he compared Joe Cole to Leo Messi.

11.) 21 May 2021 08:41:09
He was actually very good for a few seasons at Arsenal but too injured and not coming to us.

12.) 21 May 2021 10:49:27
If we wanted a lightweight, ineffective Welsh player who only turned up occasionally, we’ve already got Harry Wilson on the books, no need to get Ramsey in to do that job.

13.) 21 May 2021 10:54:04
Aaron Ramsey was a decent player at Arsenal, scoring 20+ goals in one season if I remember correctly. He is injury prone no doubt, but remember before you say he's rubbish that he had a horrific leg break that left his career on the brink at a young age. Takes a lot to get over an injury like that.

14.) 21 May 2021 13:49:35
Dar, the most he’s ever got in a premier league season is 10 goals back in 13/ 14, he’s never come close to replicating that since and he’s certainly never scored 20 in a season.

That horrific injury or not, he’s simply not good enough to help us progress from this awful season, he doesn’t improve our starting 11 and doesn’t improve our options outside of our starting 11, I can’t see what he brings that we don’t already have, as we certainly appear to have more than our fair share of non scoring ineffective midfielders.

It is also a fair point to make that player over 30 is only worth signing if they’re an absolute top class player and it would be silly not to do so (Thiago for example), or you’re looking for a back up keeper, but Ramsey is nowhere near those categories, he’s just a very ordinary player at best, not particularly creative, poor defensively, contrary to popular belief doesn’t have a tremendous eye for goal, is quite slow and ponderous in possession, so he doesn’t have speed of thought and feet to compensate for his lack of actual pace.

I absolutely guarantee that no other top four side would entertain signing him for whatever silly fee Juve want and there’s a reason for that, he’s simply not very good.

He’s better off joining West Ham, Everton, Spurs, Newcastle or whoever, just not us. In all honesty, I’d rather we signed Gordon Ramsey than Aaron Ramsey.

15.) 21 May 2021 18:42:01
VVVV, I never said I want us to sign him. His career has been on the decline for a few years, mainly due to injury, and I agree we should stay clear due to that. Again I agree that a mid table club is the best he can hope for now if anyone will risk the large wages he'll ask for. All I'll say is, he promised a lot when younger and was a decent player for arsenal and wales injuries aside.

16.) 22 May 2021 02:56:13
Being way too critical of Ramsey’s time at Arsenal. Sure up until 2013 he was hit and miss but he was young. 13/ 14 he got 16 goals 10 assists from midfield despite missing 3 months, scoring a winner in an FA Cup final. He then got 10 goals 8 assists with one of each in the community shield and won another FA Cup. Next season was quiet still got 5G 4A as they came 2nd won another community shield and got into the EURO 2016 team of the tournament. Next season scored a winner in an FA cup final again. Next season he scored 11 and set up 12. He’d only been gone a few week and scored twice vs Hungary to send Wales to the euros again. He’s their most iconic player of their Emirates era. Cesc/ RVP/ Alexis better players but Ramsey done more for the club and didn’t tarnish his legacy. Even at Juventus his first season they finished above Inter by a point, Ramsey scored and set the other up in a 2-0 win vs them late in the season.

17.) 22 May 2021 11:08:06
Yeah a lot of unmerited hate on for Ramsey here. True he was hit and miss for a long while but when he hit top form he was a very creative and hard working midfield with more than solid output numbers consistently. At that time he was up there with the best midfielders in the league. Unfortunately he has dropped off again and injury’s taken their toll but to say he was never a good player looking at his output in one of the toughest leagues in the world whilst still being injured regularly is simply incorrect.

18.) 22 May 2021 11:12:16
To clarify, Ramsey has only ever scored 10 goals in the league once - 2013-14, when he ended up with 16 goals overall in all competitions.

He's scored 10+ goals in all competitions twice more - 2014-15 (10) and 2017-18 (11) but never more than 7 in the league (other than 2013-14 obvs)

19.) 22 May 2021 16:59:49
It isn’t hate. He’s just not a very good player and I genuinely cannot see what he does as a player or what he could bring to our club? He’s not creative, he’s poor defensively, he’s got no tactical acumen, he’s not a goal threat either inside or out side the box, his range of passing is poor, he lacks vision and awareness, he has no pace and is far from what you’d call dynamic and he’s also quite injury prone which are not selling points for a 30 something player, I’ve not heard one even remotely persuasive argument that could show he’d improve our starting 11 or strengthen the depth of our squad as he’s worse than our existing options (even Naby Keita is a better option than Ramsey and that is saying something) . Juve have found out to huge financial cost that he’s not w top class player or even a good one, and they are now desperately looking for a mug punter to take him off their hands and that mug punter should not be us. They’re essentially paying world class wages to a mid table player. As Juve have also found out, free transfers either turn out to be James Milner/ Gary McAllisyer or they turn out to be Andre Voronin/ Philip Degen and Ramsey definitely falls into the second category for them.

20.) 24 May 2021 07:44:09
I didn’t say we should bring him in. I simply disagreed with comments here that he has never been a good player when he has been. Maybe not now, I couldn’t say I havnt watched him. All im saying here is I think there are people with red tinted glasses on here to say he was never a good player. Everyone loves Gini/ Hendo etc for example but name me one of our midfielders that reached Ramsey’s output numbers in his better seasons? Ramsey also did work very hard and was a complete midfielder when he was on top form. Again I am not commenting on what he is now as I don’t know, but I repeat the comments here that was never a good player as simply incorrect.

21.) 24 May 2021 15:34:54
A complete midfielder? That’s just nonsense. He’s poor defensively, tactically naive, no pace, switches off at critical moments (that story about him arguing with the bench instead of actually concentrating while Arsenal conceded a goal sums him up nicely), whatever Henderson and Wijnaldum’s shortcomings are, you can’t level those at them. if he was as complete a midfield as is being claimed, why would Juventus be so desperate to get rid and why weren’t Arsenal too fussed about renewing his contract. Like I say, if we’re after a work shy lightweight welsh midfielder we might as well just keep Harry Wilson, as it costs less and he can at least shoot.

22.) 24 May 2021 18:55:19
Agree to disagree then. It’s subjective and pointless anyway he won’t be coming to us.



29 Mar 2021 10:15:45
Question for Ed002. Are the club still trying to sign Ugurcan Cakir? I know you mentioned we were interested 12-18 months ago but we ended up signing Adrian on a free.

Seems a bit of an odd story now as we have a good young keeper in Kelleher to serve as understudy for Alisson, but I hope you can clear up whether the interest we hold is current or recycled news.



{Ed002's Note - Ugurcan Cakir (G) Leicester have shown an interest as a Kasper Schmeichel replacement. At the start of January West Brom asked after Cakir making a permanent move but was not given the assurance of a starting place and they took Lonergan on loan instead. Brighton have recently enquired after Cakir but it is unclear if he would be first choice. Mr Mourinho is a fan and Spurs are keen on the player as Hugo Lloris is getting no younger but they have a preferred option. Prior interest of Sheffield United, Bordeaux, Schalke, Monaco, Genoa, Reims (who opted for the well thought of Predrag Rajkovic instead) has gone or can be discounted. His agent has linked the player with several other sides who are not looking for a first choice option. I am not aware of any approach by Liverpool but he would be a very good replacement for Adrian - but would he want to be second choice?}

1.) 29 Mar 2021 17:00:50
Thanks for that Ed002, appreciate it.

I agree, it would seem odd both for him to come to us to be second choice (I don't believe the club nor the fans want Alisson replaced), and for us as well - why would we spend money (however much it may be) to replace Kelleher?

Do the club still hold Kelleher in high regard? Or are either they or the player looking to part company (whether permanently or on loan)?

{Ed002's Note - Caoimhin Kelleher is one of only two club developed players in the senior squad, which is why Liverpool has a smaller Champions League squad than other sides. My expectation is that Kelleher will step up to replace Adrian and a decision needs to be made over Grabara.}

2.) 29 Mar 2021 17:23:43
Cakir is an amazing keeper.

3.) 29 Mar 2021 18:22:14
Thanks Ed002, I hope for the same.

KB, he may be a good keeper, but from all accounts, he is not better than Alisson, nor that much younger, so it would be an odd move by the club, imo.

{Ed002's Note - The club are not looking to replacing Alisson but he would make a great replacement for Adrian - but he would be second choice.}

4.) 29 Mar 2021 23:58:21
I think Kelleher is perfectly decent as back up, proved every time he played that he was up to the job. Not sure that spending that sort of money on Cakir is sensible for us nor good for his career.

5.) 30 Mar 2021 08:52:04
ed002 I don't see why we should buy a new goalkeeper Caoimhin Kelleher has done very well this season HG and would cost us nothing and am sure if we did sign Ugurcan Cakir he would be on a lot higher wages. Is there any chance that Kamil Grabara could come back as well and fight it out with Kelleher for back up role and would he be classed as club developed or just HG.

{Ed002's Note - He is certainly Home Grown but there was a discussion about him just missing out on being club developed. The expectation certainly was that he would return and I agree that Kelleher should be given that opportunity.}

6.) 30 Mar 2021 11:31:43
Ed002, I’ve been really impressed by Kelleher this season, stepped up in tough circumstances and showed he’s really come on leaps and bounds.

{Ed002's Note - I agree he has done very well.}

7.) 31 Mar 2021 13:08:37
i guess the question is will he be happy being second fiddle? i guess he will get the cup games and is cover for Aly but at that age he might want to be playing 40 games a season.

8.) 31 Mar 2021 17:15:07
Kelleher is fine as No 2 for me and we have a bunch of very young promising keepers. As an (much suffering) Ireland fan I was gutted that Caoimhín missed out on this batch of internationals. With finances the way they are I could only see us going for a cheap Adrian replacement.



10 Mar 2021 09:27:27
Read on the BBC Sport website of a claim in the Mail that Pulisic's agent is looking around given his limited playing time.

He's still only 22, Klopp knows of him from his time at Dortmund (albeit when he was very young) and we have decent (recent! ) success with ex Chelsea wingers!

What are people's thoughts on going back for him, should he be available for a reasonable fee? Could he, alongside Jota, with Elliot to come, form part of our front 3 solution for Klopp's Liverpool 2.0?


{Ed002's Note - Pulisic does not use an agent.}

1.) 10 Mar 2021 10:51:21
It's coming up to that time of the season when Liverpool are buying all the decent players in football. I think I'll wait until the end of the next transfer window to find out who we sold and bought. That way I will not be a victim of the false hopes and stories that come every season!

2.) 10 Mar 2021 10:46:48
Sorry Ed002, I misquoted. Its actually an article purely based on assumptions (shock, horror! ) that Pulisic is probably not going to be happy being left out which should alert his previous alleged suitors of Liverpool, Man Utd and Bayern.

Got me thinking about him, though, and how disappointed I (and many others on here) were when he went to Chelsea. Hence the question as to whether folks still rate him as a potential long term solution for us.

{Ed002's Note - Pulisic will get his chances if he trains well and is patient. Chelsea tend to rotate players more than other sides so opportunity will come. Whilst they are looking to move players on I am not aware of Pulisic being one of them.}

3.) 11 Mar 2021 09:59:36
I'd still have Timo at LFC, despite his poor form this season. He's got all the qualities and needs a coach like Klopp.

{Ed077's Note - unfortunately for you thats not happening.}

4.) 11 Mar 2021 10:09:59
Not even swapsies for Origi?

{Ed077's Note - well only one of Timo and Divvy has scored in a UCL final;)}

5.) 11 Mar 2021 10:46:41
You're right Ed077! Chelsea really should reconsider their take on raw talent!



01 Feb 2021 22:02:44
Kabak is a done deal!

Welcome Ozan, welcome Ben and welcome.


1.) 01 Feb 2021 22:31:54
Sorry hit send too early! Meant to also say welcome Liam, hope you do well in the U23s

And good luck Taki! Come back stronger and ready to challenge!

2.) 02 Feb 2021 07:55:54
Echo that, best of luck Taki. A great place to get some game time.

3.) 02 Feb 2021 09:57:51
I personally think that we have done some quality business on deadline day. We have brought in 2 strong, pacy defenders who are good with their feet and strong in the air at both ends of the pitch.
Kabak has the potential to be world class (let us all remember that he is only 20) and Davies looks solid (I have seen very little of him so I do not want to judge him based on his fee or his originating club/ league - I was underwhelmed when we signed Robbo and look at him now! ) .
Give them a month or so and I would not be surprised to see them partnering each other in central defence and allowing Fab and Hendo to move back into their true positions massively strengthening our midfield.
More importantly we did this for what is basically pocket change in todays transfer market!
I certainly don't agree with Merson that Liverpool are just 'bringing in some bodies' and that Kabak's agent should get a knighthood. You'd think that somebody who was lucky enough to be given a second chance following alcohol and cocaine addiction would not judge others quite so quickly!

4.) 02 Feb 2021 11:30:41
Couldn't agree with you more, Shipley. Merson and (to a lesser extent Lawrenson's) comments are just sensationalist and misguided - they need to justify their fees!

I'm more than happy. Kabak looked a really good prospect in the summer when we were first linked so I'm pleased to get him. Yes he had a disciplinary issue and it was a particularly disgusting one, but let's give him a small chance to prove it was a one off and he can grow.

I, along with almost everyone else on the boards, hadn't heard of Davies other than thinking he played at Spurs! However, all the ingredients are right - fairly quick, good age, experience in a tough league, leadership qualities, ball playing etc. And for an initial fee that's the same as the loan fee we got for Taki, its an absolute no brainer!

With the rest of the team (in their correct positions! ) around them I could definitely see them being our pairing for much of the rest of the season.

Interestingly, I can see Davies being integrated quicker - he just seems more mature and the leadership thing really shines through - possibly with Nat Phillips then competing with Kabak for the other spot.

Sadly, Matip needs to leave this summer and I wouldn't be averse to Phillips staying (if he was happy to do so) . If both Kabak and Davies kick on that could be our next tier of CBs done for a few years until the teenagers are ready. If they don't, little has been risked and we have kept our powder dry for the summer.

5.) 02 Feb 2021 12:18:17
Nat Phillips contract expires in June and I haven't seen anywhere of him being offered a new contract and with the new CB additions why would he sign one? I wouldn't be surprised if he might already have offers from other Premier League teams.

6.) 02 Feb 2021 12:30:15
Polecat, he's barely got a look in since the injuries but has looked pretty solid in the last 2 games - solid enough to have as 4th/ 5th choice.

In all likelihood, he's going to be leaving on a free, but based on the last couple of games I feel confident of him as a backup should this sort of situation arise again.

As to why he might want to stay - well let's see how he does over the 2nd half of the season. We have 3 relatively unknown quantities at CB and I'm interested to see how they pan out.

7.) 02 Feb 2021 12:33:51
Matip can run his contract down fabulous when fit great servant to the club champions league and premier league winner. Sad he can’t stay fit. Davies I think is a great piece of business not expensive panic move when players like mustafi and subotic are available the club haven’t panicked and brought in an Andy Carroll. They’ve gone out picked up a ball playing cb who lives local. So no great upturn there no great fee and for me I think people all too often over look that it’s a team game and playing with better players for a better coach will make you a better player. Training against salah mane Bobby everyday can’t hurt his development. In his career he’s only had the opportunity to play with players of championship level he wouldn’t have been asked or trained to keep the ball on the floor and pass into Thiago at Preston. So it is a great opportunity to show what he can do at a top club with world class footballers. At 25 this could be a great piece of business. If it only lasts 18 months they’ll make a profit. Minamino to saints great deal for all. Good player little of the prem pace needs game time. Kabak linked with in the summer young player with potential loan not a knee jerk reaction. It appears the days of bad business are over at anfield which I think can only be good in the long term for the club and the fans.




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19 Oct 2021 15:59:03
Just been looking at Milners wiki page and it got me thinking.

Milner is actually going to have ended up playing more games for Liverpool than any other team in his career.

His team 'progression' (excl years in the youth teams) was 2 years at Leeds, 4 at Newcastle, 2 at Villa, 5 at City and 7 with us (through to 2022).

When we signed Milner, it reminded me of the Gary Mac signing (albeit Milner was a lot younger than Mac when he joined) .

Do you think players like Milner and Gary Mac NEEDED to play for several clubs to reach their potential, or would they have become as good players if they had spent their entire careers at one club (the RIGHT club, like Gerrard/ Carra with us or Giggs/ Scholes at Utd)?


{Ed0666's Note - you look up Milner’s wiki page in your spare time??!

1.) 19 Oct 2021 16:11:58
Don't be daft, Ed0666!

I'm working!

{Ed0666's Note - good man Zedd. I used to love dissing in company time. Makes the wages sweeter 👍

2.) 19 Oct 2021 16:29:30
Best reply ever Zedd!

{Ed0666's Note - it’s for sure up there 😂

3.) 19 Oct 2021 17:19:03
Your on fire today Zed.

4.) 19 Oct 2021 18:15:09
Playing for us under Klopp and winning what he has done in front of our fans is probably the icing on the cake for him.
But he's been no passenger, he's earned every medal and accolade he's got.

5.) 19 Oct 2021 18:30:12
Would love Millie to play another season then join our coaching staff.



19 Oct 2021 10:26:49
Was looking through our U18 and U23 squads with a fellow red yesterday and looking at which players a) have a chance to make it (pure guess work! ) and b) would qualify as HG and CT in the future (based on the current rules. They would all be in the U21 exemption currently.

GK - Kelleher has been with us since 2015 when he was 17 so he will qualify as CT and HG. Pitaluga will also qualify when he reaches 21+. My gut feel is that Kelleher will leave in 2-3 years to be first choice elsewhere and Pitaluga will eventually succeed Alisson. This is purely based on the fact that Alisson has several years left at top flight and Kelleher is too good to be happy to be 2nd choice for the majority of his career

Defence - not sure here. People speak of Koumetia but no idea if he will make the grade or not. If he does then great. If he does, I believe he will qualify as CT and HG. I'm sure TAA will be here for a long time and he is both CT and HG. Between Tsimikas and Robertson we are covered for now, and Beck seems to have a good reputation so far (and an impeccable pedigree! ) and would be both CT and HG so could be the next LB, or at least a rotation option in the future. We also have Neco, but not sure if he will stay as a no 2 to TAA or move on. The closeness of his age to TAA may work against him staying, not dissimilar to Kelleher and Alisson.

Midfield - both Elliot and Jones are both CT and HG and are both, I believe, will form the backbone of our midfield for years to come. The key acquisition for us, imo, would be Bellingham. He wouldn't qualify as CT (AFAIK) if he came in the summer, but would be HG. Anyone else in the youth teams for midfield who could make it? Frauendorf?

Up front we have Gordon who looks fantastic. I hope he continues to grow into the team. Obvs both CT and HG given he joined us at 16. Musialowski, if he makes it, would also be both CT and HG given he joined us before the age of 18.

I know the rules will change in the future, but I imagine they will only get stricter. Obviously, some of the above won't make it (I remember how excited I was about Neil Mellor when he was knocking in 40-50 goals a season in the reserves, but never really made it with us) but I'm encouraged to see the strength in depth we have at youth level.

I'd love Bellingham next year. Between him, Jones and Elliot we would have a great spine to take over from the likes of Hendo, Thiago, Milly etc. I deliberately haven't mentioned Fabs as I'm not sure which of the younger midfielders could actually develop into a No 6 as they mostly seem to be attacking midfielders. Maybe Tyler Morton who had such a good debut last season?

Thoughts appreciated, and also to confirm (maybe by the Eds? ) that my assumptions around CT and HG are correct (obvs once the names mentioned are over 21, for now they can be in every squad as they are under 21)


{Ed002's Note - Looks good to me Z.}

1.) 19 Oct 2021 10:48:18
That’s the highest compliment u get right there from 02 mate well done!

2.) 19 Oct 2021 11:23:36
I can’t see us being in the running for Bellingham. He’s going to cost upwards of £90m easily and we don’t have that kind of money. Sorry to say it but he’s going to anyone of City, Chelsea, United or even Newcastle. Add him to the long list of players we’ll never see play for us.

3.) 19 Oct 2021 11:25:14
Would Bellingham be homegrown? didn think he would be.

4.) 19 Oct 2021 12:17:22
Good post.

I think Kelleher moving could happen sooner than we think, unfortunately. At the moment he's behind Bazunu for Ireland, despite being a bit better. Now part of this is because when Randolph got injured, Kelleher was also injured and thus first Travers (who was awful) and then Bazunu were given the opportunities. But he might think it's going to be hard to displace a guy who's playing every week on loan when he's only playing in the cups or when Alisson is unavailable. Bazunu is also younger than Kelleher, so it's not like Kelleher can wait him out.

Morton has been a box to box midfielder for most of his youth career, he only moved to the 6 position this season, I think. Not that you'd have noticed that against Norwich. I'd certainly like to see more of him. Presumably he'll be at least on the bench against Preston.

Clarkson I think was the natural 6 in the youth sides. Will he make it maybe?

5.) 19 Oct 2021 11:17:13
I know, right?! That’s made my day ☺️.

Thanks Ed002, some of what you have been trying to teach us all must have seeped through the old grey matter!

{Ed002's Note - So it seems.}

6.) 19 Oct 2021 12:37:27
Jadon, yes, I believe Bellingham would be HG when you combine the time he was at Birmingham with the time he will be at a new club (hopefully us! ) if he moves in the summer. If he stays in Germany until he turns 21, then I don't think he will have enough years under his belt to be HG - I don't believe Sancho is HG for the same reason.

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath for Bellingham.}

7.) 19 Oct 2021 14:16:55
He either has a preferred club or we can't afford him. Right Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - There has been no approach from Liverpool.}

8.) 19 Oct 2021 14:43:21
Ed002, “Hey Jude” - Liverpool. It just Has to happen mate that’s your approach/ speculation/ interest right there, put the word out and make it happen for us.

9.) 19 Oct 2021 17:54:57
Hey Zedd did you write this on your spare time or during work 😉.



11 Oct 2021 12:37:35
I was mildly amused to read that Gini is apparently not happy with his lack of playing time at PSG.

Maybe its karma?


1.) 11 Oct 2021 13:04:27
Maybe he just isn't as good as he thought?

2.) 11 Oct 2021 13:16:06
No its probably more Poch not picking him.

3.) 11 Oct 2021 13:52:12
Or maybe he didn’t expect to walk in to a team of superstars. He left for the money pure and simple. I wish people wouldn’t defend players, it’s almost always about money. It’s a transient game and if I was him I might have done the same if I was offered the same. I wish he had stayed but the contract we offered clearly wasn’t long enough or lucrative enough for him. Up to him to force his way into Poch’s plans or move on loan somewhere. Good luck to the guy.

4.) 11 Oct 2021 13:53:33
He is not as good as he thinks he is.

5.) 11 Oct 2021 14:08:07
Klopp wanted rid or he would have stayed.

6.) 11 Oct 2021 14:14:23
I am pretty sure it was the club that didn't offer him a new contract. Not sure where karma comes into it.

7.) 11 Oct 2021 14:25:38
They wanted Hendo to stay so Klopp stepped in.

8.) 11 Oct 2021 14:55:36
FlyPelicanFly - the club didn't offer the length (or value? ) of contract that Gini wanted.

I agree it was about money (both in terms of weekly wage and/ or length of contract) and I alao agree that I would have probably done the same as him in his shoes.

I just dislike the hypocrisy of moving for money, leaving somewhere he would've played in (probably) 80-90% of games and then complaining about it.

Strikes me as selfish, but of course that's only my view :-)

9.) 11 Oct 2021 15:22:17
Don't forget Zed once he knew that he wasn't getting the contract that wanted he spat the dummy as it were.

10.) 11 Oct 2021 16:47:28
And he also jumped ship from Barcelona to PSG the minute more money was offered. But again, at his age, I probably would have done the same.

11.) 11 Oct 2021 16:47:44
Gini did put in a good few 'big occasion' performances for us. Not just the Barcelona game, but he usually played well against City and Chelsea and was very good in the Athletico game just before lockdown. But week in week out he seemed content to play within himself and deliver 6/ 10 efforts, at best.

He stayed first choice for as long as he did because of his fitness record, not because of his performances. As I've said before, between Ox, Keita and Thiago, there's an argument to be made that Klopp tried to replace him as first choice 3 times.

12.) 11 Oct 2021 17:16:24
Terrible player. He hardly played a minute for us in the seasons we won the CL and Premier League. Even his 2 goals against Barcelona don’t really count. Only Origi’s matter that night 🙄😜.

13.) 11 Oct 2021 17:18:18
To be fair to Gini he did normally play well v City and we missed him last week.

14.) 11 Oct 2021 17:28:28
Not sure if he jumped ship from Barcelona to PSG. Barcelona didn’t have a pot to p##s in. Looking from outside to in it looks more like false promises from Barcelona as their world fell apart quickly after the season ended. They had to take pay cuts just to sign some of the frees.

15.) 11 Oct 2021 18:57:12
Taking delight in others misfortune is pretty pathetic.

16.) 11 Oct 2021 19:48:37
Gini made a good contribution towards the success of the club in the time he was here. He’s never a superstar or candidate for world player of the year but he ‘put a shift in’ and did what was needed (at least, apparently, in JK’s opinion as he kept putting his name on the team sheer) .

I think he wanted more money from his (probably) last big contract and - put simply- what we were prepared to offer wasn’t good enough, which is just the way in business.

What the preoccupation with him now is I’m not sure. The lad made his choice and as to live by his decision.

As to the idea that Klopp didn’t step in during contract negotiations so he left, he did step in for the Hendo negotiations so Hendo stayed …. we’d better hope that’s just imagination and the usual passing opinion off as fact because we all know JK hasn’t stepped into the contract negotiations for Mo …….

17.) 11 Oct 2021 20:45:14
Gini gets a unfair amount of stick on here imo. He was a solid player that was always available and behaved well on and off the field. He helped us win that elusive title and also grabbed a CL cup on the way. Sure, he left the club for reasons that won’t please some on here, but he fulfilled his contract and should go with our blessing. Being glad he is having a tough time at his new club, for me is disappointing to have to hear from fans of this club, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

18.) 11 Oct 2021 21:02:20
YNWA at it's finest, eh?
Even funnier those claiming Klopp wanted rid of Gini.

19.) 11 Oct 2021 21:26:49
I agree 6 Gold.

Of course Klopp wanted rid he tried to sell him. Do you really think if Klopp wanted him he would of left?

20.) 11 Oct 2021 23:05:47
Who do you think makes the decisions at the club Mark? Serious question.

Do you think that JK not getting involved in the contract negotiations with Mo means that JK wants rid? Again a serious question. What role do you imagine that the manager plays in the transfer process into or out of the club?

21.) 11 Oct 2021 21:03:57
Gini got what he wanted and if he is struggling then he needs to pull his socks up and work harder rather than poring in the media. No one cares about his time at LFC cos the Parisians couldn’t be stress about any of that. He got his big pay day so he needs to go earn his money in the pitch, period.

This ain’t LFC of last season where he only played as much as he did due to injuries in midfield and defence. Without that, not sure he plays as much as he did which is what has fooled a lot of fans into thinking he was essential due to availability. He was not. Gini made his bed so he should lie in it and tuck himself in nice and tight.

22.) 12 Oct 2021 08:57:36
You’ll never walk alone. Well not until you leave the club and then you’re getting slung under the bus disregarding everyone you’ve done for the club in the past.

Gini moved employer like millions of people do daily. Whether he plays week in week out or sits on the bench bares little to no concern for me. But I won’t forget the contribution he gave to the club in us winning the lot. I think he was Klopps most used player in both their times here so no idea what last sessions defensive issue has to do with it.

We sound like a bitter ex.

23.) 12 Oct 2021 12:28:51
Probably because he was over rated.



14 Sep 2021 16:12:20
From the BBC Sport website:

"Meanwhile, Leeds have confirmed that they have submitted an appeal against Struijk's dismissal.

On Monday, Elliott replied to an Instagram post to say that the 22-year-old centre-back had nothing to apologise for.

He wrote: "Wasn't his fault whatsoever! Neither was it a red card, just a freak accident, but these things happen in football. I'll be back stronger 100%. Thanks for all the support. ""

He's developing into a classy young man.


{Ed025's Note - seems to me like he already is one zed..

1.) 14 Sep 2021 16:35:36
Class knows no age. The kid seems to be light years ahead of his age in terms of intelligence, humility, self awareness and sincere empathy for his fellow man. There are grownups out there who could learn a thing or 3 from this young man.

2.) 14 Sep 2021 18:17:54
But bit all those that said it was malicious and done on purpose can't be wrong can they? Or is young Harvey a liar?

{Ed0666's Note - I can appreciate Liverpool fans making out that challenge more nefarious than it was due to the emotion attached to the outcome. Harvey has moved on and I suggest we all do also.



08 Sep 2021 18:50:22
Not Liverpool related, not even football related, but, bloody hell, Emma Raducanu is just such a special tennis player!

Go Emma!


1.) 08 Sep 2021 19:27:26
She's a Liverpool fan. makes it Liverpool related lol.

2.) 08 Sep 2021 19:41:08
Damn good to watch too 😀.

3.) 08 Sep 2021 21:18:15
I did not know that RedScarface! Even better!




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06 Oct 2021 08:55:02
as WDW said, we have plenty of options at RB, even without Williams (if he were to be sold) .

Personally, out of the players that are not on loan, I see Gomez and Konate being cover through this season. Bradley will hopefully get more chances in the cups, but he looks a season or two (a loan or two? ) away from pushing Trent.

RB is not an issue, so far as I can see.

I see Ox as being the utility player who steps into Milner's shoes, at least in the midfield and forward positions. Jones also is pretty versatile too, albeit I expect him to cement a starting place in the middle 3 very soon!




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02 Sep 2021 15:10:49
Yeah, I guess so. Thought about that too after I had posted my initial reply above.

I guess I am more on the fence than I thought I was initially! Let's see if anything comes of it and what the deal is as our greater risk (outside of injury) is the AFCON. It only covers 2 EPL games but I worry there will be isolation complications etc that may arise at the time.

However, if Origi has moved, we do have the chance to buy before AFCON starts.




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02 Sep 2021 14:09:12
Looking at our remaining first team squad (given that we got a loan for Ojo on TDD) it's only Karius.

As we didn't buy another attacker, regardless of what Turkish clubs are looking for, we shouldn't let Origi go just yet.




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31 Aug 2021 17:22:28
I think he was contracted until 2023, from memory.

I always remember Mike Hooper - 137 years on the bench, 2 appearances, but loved his time here! Divock in the same boat. Maybe Phillips too?

Or, more likely, could be a loan for the season and look to sell next year when financial constraints may be a bit less of an issue for the majority of clubs in Europe.




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24 Aug 2021 16:51:59
Very good points YoY, I agree completely 👏.





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20 Oct 2021 21:45:02
Good call OMM and Ed0666.


{Ed0666's Note - that double save by the rejuvenated De Gea @ 1-2 was crucial. Atalanta look absolutely shattered



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20 Oct 2021 17:32:57
Fair enough Ed0666, but if he's still scoring often I'm less worried.

If you can't win well (which we have been doing too! ) then at least win. That's what makes champions.


{Ed0666's Note - By his own admission Mane actually had scans and tests done on his body because he was so alarmed by his form last season. In my opinion although he’s scoring goals he’s only at 70% at best of what he’s capable of. Mane is a stud and he’s on the periphery and it just takes one game to click in to gear and be the unstoppable beast we all know he is!



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20 Oct 2021 17:07:14
The only players who have scored more (or the same) number of goals as Sadio are Mo, Vardy and Antonio.

Pretty conclusive, no?


{Ed0666's Note - I think the point was he’s not at his blistering best which we all want to see.



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19 Oct 2021 16:11:58
Don't be daft, Ed0666!

I'm working!


{Ed0666's Note - good man Zedd. I used to love dissing in company time. Makes the wages sweeter 👍



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19 Oct 2021 12:37:27
Jadon, yes, I believe Bellingham would be HG when you combine the time he was at Birmingham with the time he will be at a new club (hopefully us! ) if he moves in the summer. If he stays in Germany until he turns 21, then I don't think he will have enough years under his belt to be HG - I don't believe Sancho is HG for the same reason.


{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath for Bellingham.}