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Best team moment: 1) Instanbul 2005
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21 May 2021 15:24:00
Seeing that the Echo are reporting we are still interested in Koulibaly.

Wanted to garner views on whether Koulibaly or Konate would be a preferred option for us?

What does one offer over the other? I've looked back at Koulibaly's injury history (as that seems to be the significant hesitation over Konate) and although he's been relatively injury free in the past, there have been a few injuries more recently - he's missed 23 games (according to Transfermarkt) in the last 2 seasons, albeit 4 of them were through CV.

Zeddicus

1.) 22 May 2021 11:56:44
Koulibaly is not going to happen due to age and price, Konate could be a problem with us speaking to him first and RBL may make us pay for that, as I said previously Maxence Lacroix is an option LFC are considering along with Kabak - I think we will bring in 2 CB's for the price of Diego Carlos and let Matip and Philips go - leaving us with Gomez, VVD and 2 new others with Rhys Williams being number 5.


2.) 22 May 2021 12:08:09
Koulibaly would be 30 soon. Unless we can buy him for not a lot of money, we should pass.


3.) 22 May 2021 12:11:03
Konate 100%.


4.) 22 May 2021 12:18:34
He’s 29 and Napoli still want the thick end of £60m, so if mark that one as a non starter.


5.) 22 May 2021 13:53:38
Wouldn’t count on us signing Konate. RBL want the fee up front.


6.) 22 May 2021 16:17:07
Kingcarlos how can they make us pay he has a clause so all we have to do is meet that they won’t sell for anything less than that to anybody.


7.) 23 May 2021 01:38:03
Nat Phillips has been fantastic, keep him and let Matip and Rhys go.


8.) 23 May 2021 11:30:02
grino, the problem is exactly the fact they want the money up front, which we don’t have. RBL don’t want or need to accept instalments. I’m doubtful it will happen imho. Almost identical to Timo Werner and remind me where he ended up?


 

 

20 May 2021 13:50:45
I am really scratching my head over the Aaron Ramsey link.

The fact he has not played more than 30 league games since 2015-16 just doesn't strike me as even a decent gamble on experience (as Thiago has been) .

Am I missing something?

Zeddicus

1.) 20 May 2021 14:46:30
He was awful at Arsenal and he’s been awful at Juventus.

Apparently it started in the s*n, so you know it’s not true.

He’s more likely to end up at Palace or West Ham thankfully.


2.) 20 May 2021 14:48:32
He’s also not that good even when fit.


3.) 20 May 2021 15:01:35
there is no link don't worry.


4.) 20 May 2021 15:37:48
I'd keep Keita rather than sign Ramsey.


5.) 20 May 2021 18:32:59
I actually think this unites all the posters on here that we unanimously don’t want to sign Ramsey!


6.) 20 May 2021 19:15:45
I hope we sign Aaron Ramsey.


7.) 20 May 2021 22:25:34
Haven’t seen much at Juventus but Ramsey being awful at Arsenal couldn’t be further from the truth he was fantastic. Gerrard even called him the best attacking midfielder in the league. Maybe not Ramsey himself but he’s 100% the profile of player we need just someone younger and fitter.


8.) 20 May 2021 23:43:39
He was mediocrity personified at Arsenal, and that’s being generous. We’d be flushing £10m and his exorbitant wages (apparently he’s on £400’000 a week?! ) down the bog if we wasted money on him. We have enough players over 30 and need to be bringing in younger more dynamic players.


9.) 21 May 2021 05:32:27
My impression of Ramsey when he was fit enough to play was of a player who had skill but was content to coast through matches (perhaps to avoid injury? ) . One memorable occasion I saw him so busy telling off someone on the bench that he ignored the ball going past him and only turned around to see the ball in the back of his net. Ozil copping heaps from commentators for his "lack of effort" whilst Ramsey barely broke a sweat summed up for me a lot of what as wrong at Arsenal.


10.) 21 May 2021 06:49:47
I think a recommendation from Steven Gerrard isn’t as good as you’d like to think, after all, he compared Joe Cole to Leo Messi.


11.) 21 May 2021 08:41:09
He was actually very good for a few seasons at Arsenal but too injured and not coming to us.


12.) 21 May 2021 10:49:27
If we wanted a lightweight, ineffective Welsh player who only turned up occasionally, we’ve already got Harry Wilson on the books, no need to get Ramsey in to do that job.


13.) 21 May 2021 10:54:04
Aaron Ramsey was a decent player at Arsenal, scoring 20+ goals in one season if I remember correctly. He is injury prone no doubt, but remember before you say he's rubbish that he had a horrific leg break that left his career on the brink at a young age. Takes a lot to get over an injury like that.


14.) 21 May 2021 13:49:35
Dar, the most he’s ever got in a premier league season is 10 goals back in 13/ 14, he’s never come close to replicating that since and he’s certainly never scored 20 in a season.

That horrific injury or not, he’s simply not good enough to help us progress from this awful season, he doesn’t improve our starting 11 and doesn’t improve our options outside of our starting 11, I can’t see what he brings that we don’t already have, as we certainly appear to have more than our fair share of non scoring ineffective midfielders.

It is also a fair point to make that player over 30 is only worth signing if they’re an absolute top class player and it would be silly not to do so (Thiago for example), or you’re looking for a back up keeper, but Ramsey is nowhere near those categories, he’s just a very ordinary player at best, not particularly creative, poor defensively, contrary to popular belief doesn’t have a tremendous eye for goal, is quite slow and ponderous in possession, so he doesn’t have speed of thought and feet to compensate for his lack of actual pace.

I absolutely guarantee that no other top four side would entertain signing him for whatever silly fee Juve want and there’s a reason for that, he’s simply not very good.

He’s better off joining West Ham, Everton, Spurs, Newcastle or whoever, just not us. In all honesty, I’d rather we signed Gordon Ramsey than Aaron Ramsey.


15.) 21 May 2021 18:42:01
VVVV, I never said I want us to sign him. His career has been on the decline for a few years, mainly due to injury, and I agree we should stay clear due to that. Again I agree that a mid table club is the best he can hope for now if anyone will risk the large wages he'll ask for. All I'll say is, he promised a lot when younger and was a decent player for arsenal and wales injuries aside.


16.) 22 May 2021 02:56:13
Being way too critical of Ramsey’s time at Arsenal. Sure up until 2013 he was hit and miss but he was young. 13/ 14 he got 16 goals 10 assists from midfield despite missing 3 months, scoring a winner in an FA Cup final. He then got 10 goals 8 assists with one of each in the community shield and won another FA Cup. Next season was quiet still got 5G 4A as they came 2nd won another community shield and got into the EURO 2016 team of the tournament. Next season scored a winner in an FA cup final again. Next season he scored 11 and set up 12. He’d only been gone a few week and scored twice vs Hungary to send Wales to the euros again. He’s their most iconic player of their Emirates era. Cesc/ RVP/ Alexis better players but Ramsey done more for the club and didn’t tarnish his legacy. Even at Juventus his first season they finished above Inter by a point, Ramsey scored and set the other up in a 2-0 win vs them late in the season.


17.) 22 May 2021 11:08:06
Yeah a lot of unmerited hate on for Ramsey here. True he was hit and miss for a long while but when he hit top form he was a very creative and hard working midfield with more than solid output numbers consistently. At that time he was up there with the best midfielders in the league. Unfortunately he has dropped off again and injury’s taken their toll but to say he was never a good player looking at his output in one of the toughest leagues in the world whilst still being injured regularly is simply incorrect.


18.) 22 May 2021 11:12:16
To clarify, Ramsey has only ever scored 10 goals in the league once - 2013-14, when he ended up with 16 goals overall in all competitions.

He's scored 10+ goals in all competitions twice more - 2014-15 (10) and 2017-18 (11) but never more than 7 in the league (other than 2013-14 obvs)


19.) 22 May 2021 16:59:49
It isn’t hate. He’s just not a very good player and I genuinely cannot see what he does as a player or what he could bring to our club? He’s not creative, he’s poor defensively, he’s got no tactical acumen, he’s not a goal threat either inside or out side the box, his range of passing is poor, he lacks vision and awareness, he has no pace and is far from what you’d call dynamic and he’s also quite injury prone which are not selling points for a 30 something player, I’ve not heard one even remotely persuasive argument that could show he’d improve our starting 11 or strengthen the depth of our squad as he’s worse than our existing options (even Naby Keita is a better option than Ramsey and that is saying something) . Juve have found out to huge financial cost that he’s not w top class player or even a good one, and they are now desperately looking for a mug punter to take him off their hands and that mug punter should not be us. They’re essentially paying world class wages to a mid table player. As Juve have also found out, free transfers either turn out to be James Milner/ Gary McAllisyer or they turn out to be Andre Voronin/ Philip Degen and Ramsey definitely falls into the second category for them.


20.) 24 May 2021 07:44:09
I didn’t say we should bring him in. I simply disagreed with comments here that he has never been a good player when he has been. Maybe not now, I couldn’t say I havnt watched him. All im saying here is I think there are people with red tinted glasses on here to say he was never a good player. Everyone loves Gini/ Hendo etc for example but name me one of our midfielders that reached Ramsey’s output numbers in his better seasons? Ramsey also did work very hard and was a complete midfielder when he was on top form. Again I am not commenting on what he is now as I don’t know, but I repeat the comments here that was never a good player as simply incorrect.


21.) 24 May 2021 15:34:54
A complete midfielder? That’s just nonsense. He’s poor defensively, tactically naive, no pace, switches off at critical moments (that story about him arguing with the bench instead of actually concentrating while Arsenal conceded a goal sums him up nicely), whatever Henderson and Wijnaldum’s shortcomings are, you can’t level those at them. if he was as complete a midfield as is being claimed, why would Juventus be so desperate to get rid and why weren’t Arsenal too fussed about renewing his contract. Like I say, if we’re after a work shy lightweight welsh midfielder we might as well just keep Harry Wilson, as it costs less and he can at least shoot.


22.) 24 May 2021 18:55:19
Agree to disagree then. It’s subjective and pointless anyway he won’t be coming to us.


 

 

29 Mar 2021 10:15:45
Question for Ed002. Are the club still trying to sign Ugurcan Cakir? I know you mentioned we were interested 12-18 months ago but we ended up signing Adrian on a free.

Seems a bit of an odd story now as we have a good young keeper in Kelleher to serve as understudy for Alisson, but I hope you can clear up whether the interest we hold is current or recycled news.

Thanks.

Zeddicus

{Ed002's Note - Ugurcan Cakir (G) Leicester have shown an interest as a Kasper Schmeichel replacement. At the start of January West Brom asked after Cakir making a permanent move but was not given the assurance of a starting place and they took Lonergan on loan instead. Brighton have recently enquired after Cakir but it is unclear if he would be first choice. Mr Mourinho is a fan and Spurs are keen on the player as Hugo Lloris is getting no younger but they have a preferred option. Prior interest of Sheffield United, Bordeaux, Schalke, Monaco, Genoa, Reims (who opted for the well thought of Predrag Rajkovic instead) has gone or can be discounted. His agent has linked the player with several other sides who are not looking for a first choice option. I am not aware of any approach by Liverpool but he would be a very good replacement for Adrian - but would he want to be second choice?}


1.) 29 Mar 2021 17:00:50
Thanks for that Ed002, appreciate it.

I agree, it would seem odd both for him to come to us to be second choice (I don't believe the club nor the fans want Alisson replaced), and for us as well - why would we spend money (however much it may be) to replace Kelleher?

Do the club still hold Kelleher in high regard? Or are either they or the player looking to part company (whether permanently or on loan)?

{Ed002's Note - Caoimhin Kelleher is one of only two club developed players in the senior squad, which is why Liverpool has a smaller Champions League squad than other sides. My expectation is that Kelleher will step up to replace Adrian and a decision needs to be made over Grabara.}


2.) 29 Mar 2021 17:23:43
Cakir is an amazing keeper.


3.) 29 Mar 2021 18:22:14
Thanks Ed002, I hope for the same.

KB, he may be a good keeper, but from all accounts, he is not better than Alisson, nor that much younger, so it would be an odd move by the club, imo.

{Ed002's Note - The club are not looking to replacing Alisson but he would make a great replacement for Adrian - but he would be second choice.}


4.) 29 Mar 2021 23:58:21
I think Kelleher is perfectly decent as back up, proved every time he played that he was up to the job. Not sure that spending that sort of money on Cakir is sensible for us nor good for his career.


5.) 30 Mar 2021 08:52:04
ed002 I don't see why we should buy a new goalkeeper Caoimhin Kelleher has done very well this season HG and would cost us nothing and am sure if we did sign Ugurcan Cakir he would be on a lot higher wages. Is there any chance that Kamil Grabara could come back as well and fight it out with Kelleher for back up role and would he be classed as club developed or just HG.

{Ed002's Note - He is certainly Home Grown but there was a discussion about him just missing out on being club developed. The expectation certainly was that he would return and I agree that Kelleher should be given that opportunity.}


6.) 30 Mar 2021 11:31:43
Ed002, I’ve been really impressed by Kelleher this season, stepped up in tough circumstances and showed he’s really come on leaps and bounds.

{Ed002's Note - I agree he has done very well.}


7.) 31 Mar 2021 13:08:37
i guess the question is will he be happy being second fiddle? i guess he will get the cup games and is cover for Aly but at that age he might want to be playing 40 games a season.


8.) 31 Mar 2021 17:15:07
Kelleher is fine as No 2 for me and we have a bunch of very young promising keepers. As an (much suffering) Ireland fan I was gutted that Caoimhín missed out on this batch of internationals. With finances the way they are I could only see us going for a cheap Adrian replacement.


 

 

10 Mar 2021 09:27:27
Read on the BBC Sport website of a claim in the Mail that Pulisic's agent is looking around given his limited playing time.

He's still only 22, Klopp knows of him from his time at Dortmund (albeit when he was very young) and we have decent (recent! ) success with ex Chelsea wingers!

What are people's thoughts on going back for him, should he be available for a reasonable fee? Could he, alongside Jota, with Elliot to come, form part of our front 3 solution for Klopp's Liverpool 2.0?

Zeddicus

{Ed002's Note - Pulisic does not use an agent.}


1.) 10 Mar 2021 10:51:21
It's coming up to that time of the season when Liverpool are buying all the decent players in football. I think I'll wait until the end of the next transfer window to find out who we sold and bought. That way I will not be a victim of the false hopes and stories that come every season!


2.) 10 Mar 2021 10:46:48
Sorry Ed002, I misquoted. Its actually an article purely based on assumptions (shock, horror! ) that Pulisic is probably not going to be happy being left out which should alert his previous alleged suitors of Liverpool, Man Utd and Bayern.

Got me thinking about him, though, and how disappointed I (and many others on here) were when he went to Chelsea. Hence the question as to whether folks still rate him as a potential long term solution for us.

{Ed002's Note - Pulisic will get his chances if he trains well and is patient. Chelsea tend to rotate players more than other sides so opportunity will come. Whilst they are looking to move players on I am not aware of Pulisic being one of them.}


3.) 11 Mar 2021 09:59:36
I'd still have Timo at LFC, despite his poor form this season. He's got all the qualities and needs a coach like Klopp.

{Ed077's Note - unfortunately for you thats not happening.}


4.) 11 Mar 2021 10:09:59
Not even swapsies for Origi?

{Ed077's Note - well only one of Timo and Divvy has scored in a UCL final;)}


5.) 11 Mar 2021 10:46:41
You're right Ed077! Chelsea really should reconsider their take on raw talent!


 

 

01 Feb 2021 22:02:44
Kabak is a done deal!

Welcome Ozan, welcome Ben and welcome.

Zeddicus

1.) 01 Feb 2021 22:31:54
Sorry hit send too early! Meant to also say welcome Liam, hope you do well in the U23s

And good luck Taki! Come back stronger and ready to challenge!


2.) 02 Feb 2021 07:55:54
Echo that, best of luck Taki. A great place to get some game time.


3.) 02 Feb 2021 09:57:51
I personally think that we have done some quality business on deadline day. We have brought in 2 strong, pacy defenders who are good with their feet and strong in the air at both ends of the pitch.
Kabak has the potential to be world class (let us all remember that he is only 20) and Davies looks solid (I have seen very little of him so I do not want to judge him based on his fee or his originating club/ league - I was underwhelmed when we signed Robbo and look at him now! ) .
Give them a month or so and I would not be surprised to see them partnering each other in central defence and allowing Fab and Hendo to move back into their true positions massively strengthening our midfield.
More importantly we did this for what is basically pocket change in todays transfer market!
I certainly don't agree with Merson that Liverpool are just 'bringing in some bodies' and that Kabak's agent should get a knighthood. You'd think that somebody who was lucky enough to be given a second chance following alcohol and cocaine addiction would not judge others quite so quickly!


4.) 02 Feb 2021 11:30:41
Couldn't agree with you more, Shipley. Merson and (to a lesser extent Lawrenson's) comments are just sensationalist and misguided - they need to justify their fees!

I'm more than happy. Kabak looked a really good prospect in the summer when we were first linked so I'm pleased to get him. Yes he had a disciplinary issue and it was a particularly disgusting one, but let's give him a small chance to prove it was a one off and he can grow.

I, along with almost everyone else on the boards, hadn't heard of Davies other than thinking he played at Spurs! However, all the ingredients are right - fairly quick, good age, experience in a tough league, leadership qualities, ball playing etc. And for an initial fee that's the same as the loan fee we got for Taki, its an absolute no brainer!

With the rest of the team (in their correct positions! ) around them I could definitely see them being our pairing for much of the rest of the season.

Interestingly, I can see Davies being integrated quicker - he just seems more mature and the leadership thing really shines through - possibly with Nat Phillips then competing with Kabak for the other spot.

Sadly, Matip needs to leave this summer and I wouldn't be averse to Phillips staying (if he was happy to do so) . If both Kabak and Davies kick on that could be our next tier of CBs done for a few years until the teenagers are ready. If they don't, little has been risked and we have kept our powder dry for the summer.


5.) 02 Feb 2021 12:18:17
Nat Phillips contract expires in June and I haven't seen anywhere of him being offered a new contract and with the new CB additions why would he sign one? I wouldn't be surprised if he might already have offers from other Premier League teams.


6.) 02 Feb 2021 12:30:15
Polecat, he's barely got a look in since the injuries but has looked pretty solid in the last 2 games - solid enough to have as 4th/ 5th choice.

In all likelihood, he's going to be leaving on a free, but based on the last couple of games I feel confident of him as a backup should this sort of situation arise again.

As to why he might want to stay - well let's see how he does over the 2nd half of the season. We have 3 relatively unknown quantities at CB and I'm interested to see how they pan out.


7.) 02 Feb 2021 12:33:51
Matip can run his contract down fabulous when fit great servant to the club champions league and premier league winner. Sad he can’t stay fit. Davies I think is a great piece of business not expensive panic move when players like mustafi and subotic are available the club haven’t panicked and brought in an Andy Carroll. They’ve gone out picked up a ball playing cb who lives local. So no great upturn there no great fee and for me I think people all too often over look that it’s a team game and playing with better players for a better coach will make you a better player. Training against salah mane Bobby everyday can’t hurt his development. In his career he’s only had the opportunity to play with players of championship level he wouldn’t have been asked or trained to keep the ball on the floor and pass into Thiago at Preston. So it is a great opportunity to show what he can do at a top club with world class footballers. At 25 this could be a great piece of business. If it only lasts 18 months they’ll make a profit. Minamino to saints great deal for all. Good player little of the prem pace needs game time. Kabak linked with in the summer young player with potential loan not a knee jerk reaction. It appears the days of bad business are over at anfield which I think can only be good in the long term for the club and the fans.


 

 

 

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22 Jun 2021 14:20:25
I'm sure I'm not the only one who goes through cycles of getting excited by the next hot prospect from our academy. And by our academy I mean generally players who have either been with us since day dot, or have joined in their mid-teens into the academy structure.

I was overjoyed by Raheem's impact a few seasons ago, and more recently by Trent. Joe also, albeit he came in a bit later at 18/ 19 from Charlton IIRC.

Also disappointed by Neil Mellor, who promised so much, and Jon Flanagan too.

However, just looking at our U18 and U23 teams now am I wrong in thinking that Balagazi (AM), Gordon (RW) and Musialowksi (LW) could indeed form the basis of our attack in a few season time? Maybe with Harvey Elliot converted to the Firminho position. Add in Jones in the Hendo role and (potentially) Trent at the base and we could have our forward 6 positions set here.

Are Balagazi, Gordon and Musialowski THAT good for their age group, or are the rose tinted specs in full operation here again?!

Would especially appreciate the views of anyone who has seen them live, as well as the Eds.

Zeddicus

{Ed001's Note - I am so sorry I did actually answer this earlier, but I must have forgotten to choose a checkbox to post it up, divvy!

The three are good enough to make it, but they have to get a chance before you actually find out if they will. Until then you don't know for sure which of them will grab a chance with both hands and make a spot their own, ala Trent and continue working hard or if they will think they have made it and stop working and fade away. Or if they can't hold down a spot immediately, will they work harder to try and get in there again or will they sulk and lose heart and interest. And that is the moment when you find out for sure what they are about.}


1.) 22 Jun 2021 17:16:03
I watched them in the FA youth cup final and none of the attackers stood out for Liverpool. The player who actually looked a level above was from Villa. Sorry forgot his name.


2.) 22 Jun 2021 18:14:59
Brad young was the stand out player for me in the u18 fa youth cup final.


3.) 22 Jun 2021 18:18:37
What happened to Glatzel? I remember a couple of seasons ago it was him and Dunc and then he had an injury?


4.) 22 Jun 2021 18:41:44
He got injured again Klopp unfortunately. He really needs a run of games but he does look a good player.


5.) 22 Jun 2021 19:18:56
I met musialowski early last year. I don't know about the talent at his feet but from a psychological perspective he's ready. Young man has an excellent head on his shoulders and very clear goals for himself. If he has talent expect big things.


6.) 22 Jun 2021 20:59:31
Gordon didn play in the final, cup-tied.16 and already to easy for him at u18 level. a real real player there, i'd rate him even higher than Musialowski. Villa were very good in fairness, physically looked a bit more developed.


7.) 22 Jun 2021 21:50:52
Yes I agree atm Gordon looks the one.


8.) 22 Jun 2021 23:09:13
Have to remember that aswell as Gordon we also could have had Elliott on the pitch who would have been the best player on the pitch by a million miles. I'd still say we will have more players come through from that age group than that Villa team.


9.) 23 Jun 2021 09:38:52
It would take an extraordinary amount of luck, good fortune and timing if all 3 featured together to form the basis of our attack in a few seasons time. Here's hoping!


 

 

22 Jun 2021 14:20:25
I'm sure I'm not the only one who goes through cycles of getting excited by the next hot prospect from our academy. And by our academy I mean generally players who have either been with us since day dot, or have joined in their mid-teens into the academy structure.

I was overjoyed by Raheem's impact a few seasons ago, and more recently by Trent. Joe also, albeit he came in a bit later at 18/ 19 from Charlton IIRC.

Also disappointed by Neil Mellor, who promised so much, and Jon Flanagan too.

However, just looking at our U18 and U23 teams now am I wrong in thinking that Balagazi (AM), Gordon (RW) and Musialowksi (LW) could indeed form the basis of our attack in a few season time? Maybe with Harvey Elliot converted to the Firminho position. Add in Jones in the Hendo role and (potentially) Trent at the base and we could have our forward 6 positions set here.

Are Balagazi, Gordon and Musialowski THAT good for their age group, or are the rose tinted specs in full operation here again?!

Would especially appreciate the views of anyone who has seen them live, as well as the Eds.

Zeddicus

{Ed001's Note - even if they are, it is highly unlikely they will all make it through. They certainly are a very good trio, but it is only when/if they get a chance you can actually be sure. It is then that they either push harder to earn a spot or think they have made it and fade away.}


1.) 22 Jun 2021 15:03:00
We have some real talent no doubt. The FA youth cup final showed me that I think we may have a habit of getting a little over excited by our youth talents. Thought Villa youngsters were outstanding and a number of them looked much more likely to be ready to make it earlier. That said people develop at different pace so hopefully one or two may well improve enough to make the grade👍.


2.) 22 Jun 2021 15:22:46
There are so many hurdles for a young player to make it into the side and then to actually stay there. let's hope they stay grounded, work hard and are not badly advised aka Bobby Duncan.


3.) 22 Jun 2021 15:31:06
The Irish right back coming through is the reason we're letting neco go. Just made his northern Ireland debut I think?


4.) 22 Jun 2021 15:50:02
Connor Bradley Peteprice, he's only 17 I can't see Klopp letting Neco go anywhere on a perm deal and neither should he. He is young talented and still learning his game. Patience is needed.


5.) 22 Jun 2021 16:01:59
Conor Bradley is the boy Pete price. Great work by my good friend and club scout based at Stormont. He is trying his hardest to get a young NI prospect into a Liverpool first 11. He also had a key role in signing Materson and Kelleher getting their dream move.


6.) 22 Jun 2021 17:35:42
Am I the only one who doesn’t see anything special in Williams? If the prices being talked about are true I’d sell him in a heart beat, he’ll make a decent career somewhere but not at Liverpool I don’t think.

{Ed025's Note - its about giving the guy the chance to improve for me jerry, i dont think he has been given that and i think its a bit premature myself, but rumour has it that klopp knows more than me..


7.) 22 Jun 2021 18:23:53
Nobody knows more than you Ed 😉.

{Ed025's Note - now as you know mark im not one to blow my own trumpet mate.... but your right.. :)


8.) 22 Jun 2021 19:09:39
Premature is your middle name Ed025 😉.

{Ed025's Note - never a truer word said barry mate.. :)


 

 

21 Jun 2021 18:58:55
Just been having a bit of back and forth with Ed0666 on a post about Daka. We were chatting about the fact that we (like most clubs) have a number of targets lined up for a particular position so we have options if our top target doesn't work out.

That got me think, which of our first time were top targets and which not?

Here's a few I'm pretty sure about as they have been mentioned on here in the past:

Salah - famously our 3rd or 4th target for his role (behind Brandt, if I'm not much mistaken? )

Alisson - I'm sure Ed002 or Ed001 said that he was second choice behind Oblak.

Naby - Ed0666 has just advised that Naby was 1st choice, and he hasn't worked out.

I'm guessing the below:

VVD - I'm guessing he was first choice given the tapping up and subsequently paying over the odds.

Can any of the Eds help with other recruits and working out where they were in the 'picking order', even though they are now first in the pecking order!

Robertson?
Wijnaldum?
Mane?

Plus correcting any mistakes I've made above?

I've left Hendo, Gomez, Trent and Bobby off the list as they were already here when Klopp arrived - there was even a suspicion that Klopp had an influence over recruiting Bobby! That may just be a conspiracy theory based on the fact that Brendan kept playing him on the wing. But that decision may have been all down to Brendan himself!

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1.) 21 Jun 2021 19:25:48
Wasn't Chilwell first choice before Robertson?


2.) 21 Jun 2021 19:31:27
Jordan Amavi was one of the left backs we tried before Robbo.


3.) 21 Jun 2021 19:45:20
Mane was definitely first choice, he changed the way we played. We made a couple of bids for Chilwell.

Was Daka our first choice?


4.) 21 Jun 2021 20:31:40
Didn’t we want Zielinski before Wijnaldum? And i could have sworn there was another left back we looked at first before Robbo. I seem to remember there being strong Gotze rumours around the time we bought Mane but i think he was first choice.

{Ed002's Note - Sure, there are always options.}


5.) 21 Jun 2021 21:08:37
Mark, Mane was not first choice. Mario Gotze was.

Chilwell was first choice BUT Klopp chose not to sign him for 10m and went with Milner who played LB iall season in 16/ 17.

Dak is not first choice and never was cos clearly we are not that into him. Malen is who we want.


6.) 21 Jun 2021 22:46:34
Mane was always the one Klopp wanted, he wanted to play with a front 3 and he needed Mane to be able to get us up the pitch. Klopp spent the summer telling us we needed pace in attack.


7.) 21 Jun 2021 23:19:26
I think benjamin mendy was our first choice lb he did play well for monaco that year we were willing to pay 40 mil for him but city came and offered 50 plus chilwell was our second but leicester didn’t want to sell at the time so we decided to go for robbo and the rest is history.
I think we all agree which is the best Lb.


 

 

21 Jun 2021 02:05:58
A shout out to a Liverpool player who scored a couple of worldies today and was unlucky not to get through the Euro groups.

Shaq, take a bow, son.

Zeddicus

1.) 21 Jun 2021 03:38:21
Always felt he and ox are underused. when available. but when available. they both offer something different. Hopefully if they are with us next season they are fit for longer duration meaning they can continously train with the team. so they know the plan when on pitch and don't look lost.


2.) 21 Jun 2021 06:43:38
I think 4 best 3rd placed teams qualify too. Not sure if the Swiss have done enough tho yet but you never know.


3.) 21 Jun 2021 06:43:44
They'll probably get one of the 4 best third placed finishes.


4.) 21 Jun 2021 07:40:54
Yeah, as said they have a good chance of going through, hopefully grab another goal in the next round and pump his value up a bit more.

{Ed025's Note - so you can sell him?..


5.) 21 Jun 2021 08:44:35
Shaq has always been the dominant force for the Swiss. It is his happy place even when all is not going well at his club. This has been the norm for years now hence, not .

That said, Shaq's time has passed at LFC and he needs a change and we need new blood. Also, let us not act like the guy is some player being hard-done-by. He isn't. Shaq is quite often injured for the past two seasons and tho he offers something different, he is far too inconsistent. We need better options to make the next step, IMO.


6.) 21 Jun 2021 11:53:48
Bhav reds? U havin a laugh the 2 lads love the treatment room stop with that chat.


7.) 21 Jun 2021 21:15:49
Even a broken clock shows you the correct time of the day, not once but even twice.


 

 

18 Jun 2021 09:45:59
According to the Echo:

Patson Daka is off to Leicester (tweeted by Romano) . Seems to imply that us, Chelsea or Leipzig didn't bid for him, but its not clear.

Interestingly resurrecting the story about Adam Hlozek. I hadn't heard of Hlozek until the rumours started about us being interested a few weeks back. He was picked out in BBC Sports 20 young players to watch at Euro 2020. West Ham also appear interested in him.

And then we have Donyell Malen (who I thought was very unselfish yesterday in his assist - I could see Bobby doing the same! ) . A bit older than Hlozek and the Dutch league is a step up from the Czech league (albeit still a fair step down from the EPL) .

Hlozek and Malen are not reported to be that different on price - £20m vs £25-£27m.

I wonder if we'll end up with one of these two or someone completely different? Edwards smokescreen anyone?!

Zeddicus

1.) 18 Jun 2021 10:15:21
I think Malen appears to be the most likely, both local papers in Holland and one of the Sky Germany journalists have reported that he Liverpool are expected to make a bid, probably after the Euro’s and after we’ve shipped out a few players like Origi and Shaqiri.


2.) 18 Jun 2021 10:57:40
I’d be quite happy with Malen. Think he’d add a different dynamic as he’s more ‘skill full’ than the other forwards at our disposal. Under Klopp his end product will improve too. Him and Jota would provide very good competition for a starting spot add Harvey Elliott into that and that a good back up 3 to the first choice front 3.

Add Neuhaus as well and for that’s a very good transfer window. Adding 3 good quality younger players that have the quality to push for starting places.

I’ve been quilts in the past of being unrealistic in terms of players I’d want us to sign and the number of players I’d want us to sign. But a transfer window of Konate, Neuhaus and Malen would be very good.

Wouldn’t mind seeing another versatile CM/ CAM sign (courinho mould) to add extra depth to the midfield and attacking options. But only if the funds are there, I know they’re tight.

YNWA.


3.) 18 Jun 2021 11:03:45
He plays anywhere across the front three so he seems the perfect fit.


4.) 18 Jun 2021 12:08:14
Malen’s end product looks pretty decent right now Moreton to be fair to him.


5.) 18 Jun 2021 12:50:19
Yeah no doubt his end product is good at the moment, his G/ A ratio looks good. But it is in the Dutch league. If he was able to reproduce similar numbers from the get go (should we sign him) then wow.

Either way his end product and all round game will improve massively under Klopp. Hopefully we sign him because he has a very very bright future.


6.) 18 Jun 2021 13:26:40
If Malen is who we are after then, I am all for it and will trust Klopp on this one.


7.) 18 Jun 2021 15:03:50
Suarez and van nistelrooy came from the Dutch league to England and did alright.


8.) 18 Jun 2021 15:58:22
gmil, I was just thinking about who came from the Dutch league to us. Of the ones I can remember, we've got a 2/ 3 strike rate - Kuyt and Suarez were pluses, Babel never fulfilled his potential, albeit did shine pretty bright now and again.


 

 

 

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22 Jun 2021 13:48:36
By comparison, FYI, Man City only had 5 HG players in their updated EPL squad for 20/ 21 - Ake, Carson, Raheem, John Stones and Kyle Walker - and it didn't do them any harm.

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17 Jun 2021 23:38:27
No, no truth whatsoever.

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17 Jun 2021 17:05:19
To be honest, having not studied either of them in great detail (other than Sofifa or Youtube) they appear to be quite similar - pacy strikers who can also play out wide in a front 3.

One's done really well in the Dutch league, the other in the Austrian.

Prices quoted are not outrageous - Daka appears to be a bit cheaper at £17m vs £25m.

Has anyone seen them play regularly who could add more to the discussion? Which one would be a better fit?

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{Ed0666's Note - personally I think Malen would be a better fit as he’s the natural scion to Bobby, has better movement than daka yet both are rapid.


 

 

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16 Jun 2021 09:57:50
I'm wondering whether to change my name to "Kylian Bellingham" ;-)

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11 Jun 2021 15:44:18
This chap would be great.

I don't want us rushing into anything - no need for Pjanic buys.

(Sorry, I have to get that gag into every transfer window - its in my contract! )

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23 Jun 2021 08:33:41
Great article Ed001! I was really intrigued by the rise and fall (and fall, and fall) of Leeds in that era. I knew they spent well beyond their means and were the blueprint for so many clubs that gambled and lost in the future. But this has really helped me understand the dynamics behind that 5-6 year cycle. Thank you!

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{Ed001's Note - cheers Zed.}


 

 

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23 Jun 2021 08:20:23
Klopping, yep the club trained angle does complicate things. I'm sure I remember Ed002 saying that Gomez doesn't qualify as club trained as he joined just too late to meet the (I think) 3 years before 21 criteria.

So I think, out of the players listed above, only Caoimhin and TAA would be club trained.

However, as with the EPL squad, we have a number of U21s who could supplement the squad, so even with only 17 non-British players, 2 club trained and 3 other HG, we still have a big enough squad, being supplemented by U21s like Elliot, Jones, Bradley (if Neco leaves) etc.

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22 Jun 2021 13:46:58
IIRC, the Home Grown spots are not mandatory, instead we are only allowed (I think, Ed002 will correct me! ) 17 non-HG players in the EPL squad of 25.

The remaining 8 places can only be home grown, and we can use as many U21s as we want.

We will still have: Trent, Hendo, Joe, Caoimhin and Milly - 5. We also had Joe Hardy last half season - 6.

Of the rest, we currently have the following that appear to be on the list for sale: Ox, Neco, Ben Davies (if he does indeed exist! ), Nat.

If we do end up selling all of them, and we end up keeping the ones on the first list, then we will have a squad of 23 senior players plus U21s. Howeverfrom our U21s we have at least 2 players - Jones and Elliot - that most people would see as part of our best-25 squad anyway.

I don't think its as much of a problem as people think (if I have understood it correctly) as it is not MANDATORY to have 8 HG players.

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22 Jun 2021 12:42:41
I wonder if the decline could be traced back to when Trinity (who publish the Echo) merged with Mirror Group to create Trinity Mirror (now Reach plc) .

As the websites and the content are virtually identical between The Mirror and The Echo.

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{Ed001's Note - spot on Zed, it was defo that.}


 

 

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21 Jun 2021 16:05:37
As long as we don't pick the 3rrd/ 4th choice option, Ed0666, as that didn't work out particularly well in the past did it ;-)

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{Ed0666's Note - yep I hear you. Naby was a first choice target and look how that worked out. Sometimes missing out is a blessing in disguise