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08 Jun 2017 04:35:01
Hi all
I am seeing numerous reports stating we will still sign VVD as it's believed he will hand in a transfer request and we will go through the proper channels.
Any truth in this?
{Ed001's Note - I very much doubt we will pay the money required to do so.}
1.) 08 Jun 2017 05:45:35
Hi Ed
If Van Dijk hands in a transfer request, then wouldn't Southampton's bargaining power be greatly reduced? There would be no benefit for them to keep a player who is desperate not to be there anymore, so I really think they're shooting themselves in the foot if they try to hold out for 70m pounds. No one is going to pay that.
I know LFC hung onto Suarez when he wanted to go, but the difference there was Arsenal offered a sum that was essentially below what he was truly worth, and in the end Suarez was convinced to stay one more season anyway.
{Ed001's Note - no, we hung on to him because we felt he was worth more than the offers to us. Nothing to do with 'true worth' as no such thing exists. Saints are simply doing the same thing. It is blinkered bias that makes Liverpool fans so critical of Soton for doing what is right for them.
The benefit for them is that they get to keep him unless someone pays what they feel he is worth. Secondly it sends out a message that they are not a soft touch who are just going to sell players on the cheap as soon as someone shows interest. They are trying to build a side too.
Obviously it is not all benefit to them, as most of the players they sign are joining with the premise that they will get sold on to a 'bigger' club a few years down the line. So fighting so hard to keep their players, as they have been lately, is actually making their recruitment more difficult. In fact the battle with Jose Fonte over his move, which they completely scuppered, is the root cause of VVD's discomfort and desire to move now. However they have to do what feels right to them, for them.
You have to remember, all of this is LFC's fault for not getting permission to speak to the player. This could all have been avoided by doing so. Then, if no fee had been agreed, the player could easily have forced his way out legitimately to join us, if he so wished.}
2.) 08 Jun 2017 06:12:14
Ed001 summed up it up in that reply I just hope LFC learn to do things correctly it's just shaming our great club. Whatever happened to the days of our great executive Robinson a man of pure integrity eh ed it's shameful really is. Anyways
Up the pool.
{Ed001's Note - it is embarrassing mate. It is so simple to do things the right way.}
3.) 08 Jun 2017 07:25:16
That's what I meant by true worth Ed. That 40m release clause was written before his performances improved. After Suarez' performances improved, Liverpool rightly felt he was worth far more than 40m.
The difference with Southampton is they felt he was worth, what, 50m? And all of a sudden, despite there being no bidding war, his value is now 70m? Nonsense if you ask me. Of course they know he's not worth 70m! I'm all for them sending out a message they won't just sell their best players on the cheap while they build a side, and for that a 50m price tag seemed reasonable. But they're having a laugh with 70m if their player is so desperate to leave.
I know Liverpool screwed up in not seeking permission, but that doesn't mean that Southampton haven't acted like complete asswipes IMO. They're just being salty and bitter, Liverpool were dumb, yes, but it's not like they were trying to be deceitful to Southampton.
I have my doubts the Fonte drama is a root cause. Van Dijk is 25 and knows he's a highly rated defender. He wants to move on to bigger things when he hits his peak, regardless of what happened to Fonte.
{Ed001's Note - whatever you meant, it was nonsense. The club put the clause in and should have honoured it. It just shows how pathetic our fans are that they want it all the club's own way. When we are dishonourable constantly it is ok, so long as we benefit!
The difference is in your mind and utter nonsense dreamed up by tabloid hacks that people like you swallow and regurgitate on here for the rest of us to suffer through. They never set a value on him until asked and the price is what it is. You need to stop this now.
You are the bitter and salty one. Bitter towards anything that upsets the club you support and you are so bloody biased it is ridiculous. There was only one team at fault here - Liverpool. No one else is to blame for any of this mess. The only arsewipes are those believing the crap in the media.
You can have as many doubts as you want, but you are clearly clueless and just too busy viewing everything through your Liverpool blinkers.}
4.) 08 Jun 2017 07:25:19
Months of hardwork all went to the bin.
5.) 08 Jun 2017 07:42:25
Ed I don't understand why you are so hostile?
{Ed001's Note - because you are being ignorant and talking crap. You are clearly blaming the victim and it is pathetic. Get your Liverpool blinkers off and stop looking for someone else to blame. Our club is the one who is at fault.}
6.) 08 Jun 2017 07:56:40
With all due respect, you are overreacting to what I've said. I've never tried to shift blame, I always recognised LFC at fault here. All I did was call out Southampton's petulance, which I believe they're guilty of.
{Ed001's Note - no you are deflecting constantly. Seeking to shift the blame onto the victim for being upset at being the victim. It is petty and you are the one showing petulance by doing so. They have every right to be upset. It is a pathetic indictment of the world we live in that victims so often get the blame for being victims and not being willing to just lie down and accept the crime committed against them.
If you get mugged you would be upset and angry, would you not want the perpetrator to be punished? Or would you say it is ok so long as they wore a Liverpool top while mugging you?}
7.) 08 Jun 2017 08:00:40
I don't care what the issue is the people in power should stop dragging our belowed clubs name.
8.) 08 Jun 2017 08:12:34
What blame have I shifted? I've always maintained that LFC were stupid and in the wrong. Christ, all I've added is that Southampton have IMO petulantly overreacted. Why is that such a bad thing to say? And no, I wouldn't be that upset and angry if the perpetrator was just stupidly unintentional in his actions. That analogy requires more context.
I still don't understand the hostility. All I'm trying to do is having simple discussion and you try to chase me out of here because you disagree with me! Seriously man!
{Ed001's Note - what? You are constantly whining about Southampton, trying to deflect from Liverpool's faults.
As for the analogy, you are deliberately misinterpreting it. There was nothing stupidly unintentional in LFC's actions, they knew the rules and they chose not to abide by them. Whether or not the agent misled them is just deflection, there is no excuse for not picking up the phone and there was no excuse to meet the player regardless. It was as wilfully ignorant as you are being by bitching at Soton for being upset.
This is not the first time we have abused the trust of Southampton football club in our transfer dealings. It has happened every single damn time that we have gone behind their back.}
9.) 08 Jun 2017 08:23:24
To all the Eds how do you manage to bother logging in here in the morning. Go, have a cup of tea.
{Ed025's Note - we are well past the tea stage polecat, its bottles of jack daniels now mate.. :)
10.) 08 Jun 2017 08:30:51
What do you mean 'what'? Do you not read my posts properly? I've constantly said or inferred that Liverpool is in the wrong.
You need to accept that many posters that come on here like myself don't have as much knowledge of the off-field dynamics like you do, so please, spare us some mercy if you think we get it wrong! It's just football after all!
{Ed001's Note - I have never said you haven't. If you would do what you keep asking me to do, then you would see I am saying that you are trying to deflect away from the criticism of Liverpool by attacking Saints. Not that you are not criticising Liverpool, but that you are trying to soften it.}
11.) 08 Jun 2017 08:50:36
Not picking on you Robin in the Hood but it really isn't an overreaction on Southampton's part. We have tapped up one of their players which is a huge deal. The fact we did it on the understanding of verbal permission is not good enough. We should have known in the first place that a verbal agreement wasn't sufficient, because it could lead to tapping up if such an agreement didn't exist. Where was the due diligence?
Southampton has every right to refuse to do business with a club who has disrespected them like this. The ax needs to swing in my opinion. Dempsey and VVD dealings place a terrible, stinking reflection on our club that we don't want. We are globally one of the biggest clubs in the world and our conduct should correlate with that.
{Ed001's Note - it must be remembered that this is not the first time in our dealings with Southampton that we have been accused of underhand dealings and tapping up.}
12.) 08 Jun 2017 09:34:05
It's disgraceful to be honest ed, and as we've seen with the Sessegnon deal, it also affects are future dealings. Surely they have to make changes now.
{Ed001's Note - they did already make some changes, it has yet to show any effect. Hopefully the changes will now step in and make a difference.}
13.) 08 Jun 2017 10:13:22
I have a sneaky feeling the VVD deal could still go through. By apologising and distancing ourselves from the player we have given everyone time to calm down. It's a long time to the end of the transfer window and if he still wants the move come August I could see them backing down and a deal being done. Money talks. Time will tell I suppose.
14.) 08 Jun 2017 13:06:29
Robin, if Barcelona did come in for Coutinho and we believed he might have been tapped up to get him, would we be wanting him to go for a fee under what we valued him at? Well, that's all Southampton has done, we're the only guilty party here and it's getting embarrassing now!
15.) 08 Jun 2017 13:15:54
Not sure Ed's why so many others are trying to suggest in any way that Soton are to blame? We arrogantly brushed them aside and they rightly said "right you can't do that he's OUR player". I'm sure we cld still get him but now almost entirely on their terms fee wise. In fact you cld say "well played them. Utter stinker us" A bit like the EL final.
23 Jan 2018 10:55:05
Calm down everyone, he's allowed to have his agent speak to other employers.
I'd wager many players of other clubs are doing the same thing with Liverpool as we speak.
23 Jan 2018 10:50:29
He's not "too lazy" at all, he's just not in the business of pressing like Bobby. He's probably been told to always conserve his energy and make smart runs, as opposed to all runs.
Still think he's up there with the best strikers in the league, but for some reason Klipperty doesn't think he can do a job, even like last night where several players fluffed chances Studge would have buried.
15 Jan 2018 22:29:29
Firmane. he's one of the best players in our squad. Absolutely brilliant dribbler and can finish with both feet. He's also got an engine on him and presses right from the front.
Having said that, I don't see him shifting Mane, Salah or the Ox, but Adam is very valuable as a squad player.
14 Jan 2018 12:44:44
You just walked in the door Jimmy Boy? Didn't it hurt?
07 Jan 2018 17:04:43
To be fair lads when VVD was flirting with us over the summer I spammed the refresh key like nobody's business.
I'm just jealous I can't be on here all the time to keep up to date 😂.
13 May 2018 21:03:08
Lallana if fit is a starter all day long.
25 Mar 2018 23:40:01
He's been an absolutely stellar LB and he's made that position his own.
16 Jan 2018 11:34:15
Hendo is a strong, solid midfielder and just needs a lucky run without injuries to "prove" his quality again.
15 Jan 2018 00:36:12
Gini was absolutely fantastic today. Nothing short of brilliant.
08 Jan 2018 15:24:20
MK the whole reason we're here is to get the Ed's opinions on things. The search engine isn't accurate and again, sometimes you simply can't find what you're looking for.