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21 Apr 2021 19:26:56
Hi Eds / All
Not sure about anyone else, but I've only come here for the honest appraisal of the situation - and so thank you to all Eds, Ed002 in particular. I hope you keep posting - and know that for whatever you bile you receive, there are more of us that are really grateful for what you do.
Just wondering (as it's all I can do)...
Now this ESL has taken a turn (not done as you say...), do you think there will be a more targeted assault on Liverpool and Man Utd as the instigators on this? - From the media? So far most media outlets have seemingly continued to criticise all owners in equal measure. Or would it start to land people in legal trouble to so so? If we can read it here, how are the seemingly treated equally in the press?
And thoughts on UEFA and FIFA - Do you think they are actually strengthened in their ability to control and form a new format? - or is there is realisation that fans have swayed the withdrawal and perhaps leaves them both looking a little bit on shaky ground.
I'm not sure (beacause not in the know in any way) this would have ended where it is without the huge backlash from fans; And it feels very much like if the reaction had been different, UEFA and FIFA were really going to struggle.
Sadly, I can see what the Eds allude to, that Liverpool (probably UTD?) owners smell blood and will go back into their cave, regroup and look to another way...
Thanks ðŸ‘
I shamelessly rave about this site to friends and I only ever point them here to read what's happening
1.) 21 Apr 2021 20:03:39
The fact is that there are other proposals out there, as Ed002 has alluded to many a time. A Chinese proposal, another out from Miami and maybe others that I've forgotten. So it's not like LFC and ManU are lone wolves trying to overturn an established order. This proposal, exactly like all the others, was about making more money for those putting money in. The 12 teams ("the Dirty Dozen"), JP Morgan and whoever was involved, clearly wanted to make a head start before any of the other proposals got a chance of being started or accepted.
Still too soon to say what happens next, because all of the dust has not settled. But thanks to "the Dirty Dozen" or "Son of Bigfoot" (take your pick), one thing has become massively clear to all parties involved on both sides. Take the fans, the supporters, the players and most of local management for granted, and you risk the wrath and fury of a tsunami as we just saw. Change is unavoidable I think. You have a choice between evolution or revolution, with accompanying risks.
{Ed002's Note - The others have all been in collaboration and consultation with UEFA. Son of Bigfoot was in response to a threat. You need to see these things in context and ironically the "elite" club sides met today although UEFA declined their invitation.}
2.) 21 Apr 2021 20:48:57
Jumping in here as well I just want to say thank you to Ed002 (and all the Eds for that matter) for you continual contribution to this website. I’ve been visiting this site almost daily since the transfer window in which we signed Carrol and Suarez and you have always provided a unique insight into the way that football works. Hopefully the abuse you get doesn’t get to you and you can still kick back and relax with a nice gin while listening to come cowboy radio tunes at the end of the day and know that a great many of us who visit this site are eternally grateful for all that you provide to us.
Cheers
Red Sandman.
{Ed0666's Note - nice one sandman. Appreciate the love
3.) 21 Apr 2021 22:28:54
Yes, Ed002. When I mentioned evolution versus revolution in my last sentence, I was referring to bringing about change through discussion and collaboration (evolution) with FA, FIFA or UEFA or whoever else are relevant parties. This recent incident had revolution written all over it. A badly planned, grossly mistimed and certainly amateurish effort at that too.
{Ed002's Note - Other parties are already doing that - and the club are aware of it.}
31 Jul 2020 09:02:41
Gotta say, not sure how eds carry on with such posts constantly asking about money and moaning that 'we' (as if they have a valid stake. ) should have bucket loads of cash. Or complaints about City and FFP.
The club went and bought well off the back of a very smart sale of Coutinho - it paid off. It was a gamble I think, we could have easily lost the league by a point again this year - then where would the club be? Would you keep shouting buy big?
I could be wrong (often am, just ask the wife. ) but since the large outlays, it has and needs to still be, about consolidation as a club - short term - part of plan. Surely the plan was big of Coutinho sale, win a minimum of 2 out 3 leagues and then look again. Without that sale, no way could the club afford the deals and it will no doubt be the same again.
I hope the club remain smart and purchase well within constraints - that have tightened even more, and recent events have no doubt disrupted any 3-5yr plan the club had. 1 out, 1 in. Better still, 1 big sale out and 2 in Or promote from within.
Stop saying 'We should be this. or that' it's boring, annoying and anyone who is on here should get a very clear picture of the club's position.
1.) 31 Jul 2020 11:51:39
OP, the position of the club is clear and has been made clear by the great work the Ed's do for us on here. IMO, the issue here is that some people simply refuse to believe them regardless of how many times they break down these topics, due to reasons that only they can describe. Go figure.
2.) 31 Jul 2020 16:38:20
Stop reading at "could've easily lost the league by 1 point" 18 points man. I could easily run faster than a bugatti veron.
11 Aug 2019 11:24:13
Thought Adrian was a shrewd piece of business when he was brought in..
Also now looking like the best piece of business this window given it being on a 'free' and situation the team finds itself in.
Unusual having confidence in the 2nd choice... I never thought Mingolet was awful, but he lost his confidence and everyone lost confidence in him.
1.) 11 Aug 2019 12:08:19
Think I'll wait to see his performances before saying its the best bit of transfer business, we're replacing a world class keeper with westhams former no. 2.
2.) 11 Aug 2019 12:54:03
I would say that a fair and measured approach Port Red.
3.) 11 Aug 2019 15:12:36
I’ve not heard a single shout to recall Karius. Funny that. 🙈.
4.) 11 Aug 2019 16:30:07
I’ve not heard a single shout to recall Karius. Funny that.
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I am not picking on you . but there is nothing funny about it . after all the death threats he received from our so called fans do you really expect him to come back.
5.) 11 Aug 2019 21:57:34
Recall him so idiots can keep cracking jokes at his expense, about right really.
19 Aug 2017 07:45:41
Just voicing a thought.
I really do hope the club let PipCo go. That doesn't mean I don't want him to say, great player who causes teams all kinds of problems, especially by taking up 2 or 3 opposition players.
Not all moves are about wages/ money - nor are all players always about money.
As an Ed said the other day, we were a club with respect for players, as well as being respected - because we let players come, and go, if a special move was on the table.
This is one of them, and I hope the club are just doing as most do with an insurance claim and holding out for the third offer.
Me, personally - I took the 2nd offer from an insurance company recently. Didn't think they'd make a third!
Fingers crossed for player and club.
All the best PipCo - thanks!
1.) 19 Aug 2017 08:05:47
You are comparing an insurance company to a football club?
The only thing those two have got in common is they are a business, nothing more.
Sell Coutinho for less than what he is worth to us, and we will be selling players on the cheap for years to come. I applaud FSG for standing up to the Spanish mafia and telling them to do one. The owners have made sure this Coutinho saga is not a precedent to LFC being bullied by the money bags (self proclaimed in Barca's case) when they want our players. And its a message to our players not to act like spoilt brats when offers come in for them. They will be sold as and when the club decides, not their agents or wives.
2.) 19 Aug 2017 08:14:34
I know someone that got seriously mugged off when he sold his house too cheaply, the estate agent badly advised him to put his house on the market for a price quite substantially below what it was worth.
I have no sympathy here for Couthino, he could have informed the club back in January that he wanted to leave, not three weeks before the transfer window shuts.
If Pogba was sold for £90m last season. You get my point right?
3.) 19 Aug 2017 08:21:34
Kin right on Indian.
4.) 19 Aug 2017 08:28:07
What top players have we not let go? Suarez?, Torres? Mascherano? Maybe there is a lack of respect from players? A club that gave these players the stage to show what they can do, to reach the top level in football. Tell me how many of the very best players have Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal and City sold over the years that the club really wanted to keep?
5.) 19 Aug 2017 08:32:38
OP, what are you talking about. Football may be a business but it is certainly not comparable to insurance. I don't care about us being a club that respects players. We respect our commitment to players' contracts. it is up to them to respect their side of it on the pitch and off the pitch with their conduct. That is it.
Cou is our player on a new 5 year deal signed 6 months ago and now he wants to jump ship. So we should just sell him cos he is unhappy and will sulk (which is bollocks cos he can't as it is a WC year)? You are very unfamiliar with American sports team owners, then. FSG have said he won't be sold and he can dig his heels in till he's blue in the face. Suarez did 10 times worse and FSG did not sell cos American sports teams' owners will not bullied by a player who's wages they are paying. I'm an American and I should know.
We need him and he knows it. We don't need to sell as we don't need the money esp. with the pathetic breakdown of the payments and add-ons I read somewhere (if that is true) . They are the ones disrespecting us with their offer if that is true.
6.) 19 Aug 2017 09:09:10
Indian Buzzer for Club Ambassador.
7.) 19 Aug 2017 09:35:28
Contracts mean nothing to players just protection till something better comes along . I would personally ring Barcelona and say 120 million and you can have him . He s let everyone down no way back for me.
8.) 19 Aug 2017 09:37:15
Bet you wish you hadn't posted that ridiculous post now mate. Jeez some people.
9.) 19 Aug 2017 09:44:19
Dude don't come on commenting about contries im sure your contry has messi and ronaldo fan boys.
10.) 19 Aug 2017 09:55:11
I think you are all missing the point here. Coutinho can go when Barcelona come up with the right money. None of these BS add ons, £120 million up front, one payment, no installments, end of.
11.) 19 Aug 2017 09:55:38
I still wonder how Barcelona can afford anything if the media are right about the huge debts they live in, even after getting £200mil.
The offer if reported correctly is not enough, they are desperate after being embarrassed in the Spanish super Cup - hold them to random, cough up hard cash or no deal. Hopefully Coutinho can see that too.
Well done to the club for standing firm and sorry Phil, maybe next year! Remember the World Cup!
{Ed001's Note - because they have no need to pay back the debts, no bank in Spain is going to recall a Barca or Real Madrid debt and alienate the fans.}
12.) 19 Aug 2017 09:58:04
United let Beckham and Ronaldo go. Chelsea let Cech and Matic go. Arsenal let Cole, Clichy, Sagna, Nasri, RVP etc go. Spurs have sold Bale, Modric, Walker, Keane, Berbatov. City are the only top club i can think of who haven't lost one of their best players in the last 10 years. Although perhaps they have, and just splashed the cash to get a better player so it went I noticed.
13.) 19 Aug 2017 10:52:22
MK, you are missing the point here. Majority of those players left the club when the club said they could leave and NOT the other way around so let me refresh your memory here cos we were all there. .
Modric wanted to go to Chelsea and Harry said no, end of story. He only left for RM the season after. Berba, Ronaldo, Keane, Becks all went when Fergie said so, none of them forced a move. Poch let Walker go cos he felt he was not doing the job anymore hence, refused to extend his contract. Arsenal are a perennial selling club, a feeder team to City as all their players left to win things elsewhere as Arsenal till this day bar 3 FA Cups, are a joke. Cech was let go as he would not sit on the bench one more season which is normal.
27 Jul 2017 18:50:48
Evening all -
Could I trouble you as to why no club has just gone and reported LFC for all the tapping up? With the obvious VVD and and Keita pitiful sagas, surely it is infuriating enough for someone to just report LFC to the appropriate association?
I'd guess there is more to it. not in LFC being good (that's been made quiet clear), but maybe because:
- Liverpool has available money and any ban given removes others transfers?
- Future business?
- Hard to prove? (Though from what you say unlikely. )
- Other reasons.?
Are there other reasons? I guess after reading all that has been written by your good selves about LFC, I find it really hard to believe that someone hasn't just said "enough is enough" and properly report it.
Thanks - love the site, such amazing insight that I never knew of.
1.) 27 Jul 2017 19:09:20
Please, please, please, just move on everyone 😩 I'm so tired of reading everyday about this subject. Ed002 is going to have a repetitive strain injury from typing the same thing over and over!
2.) 27 Jul 2017 19:17:00
Better than the other reason he gets RSI ;)
3.) 27 Jul 2017 20:57:40
The reason that there is no big outcry about it is they all have skeletons in the cupboards.
Even the great Platini and der Kaiser have dirtied their hands.
Football is full of underhand deals
In domestic football the agents are the facilitators of it.
Its not hard for an agent having a meeting with a club official about 1 player, whose contract is running down with the club and another player who the same agent happens to represent to be discussed in a roundabout way.
These are greedy sharks, money mad and would sell their own mother for the 10% commission.
22 Jul 2016 19:43:54
I have to disagree with the Djimi Traore statement. He couldn't run.
13 Jan 2016 08:49:35
Hopefully as a 2nd chocie/ cup keeper and either a) we buy someone new in the summer or b) Ward becomes 1st choice.
I don't see him as a bad 2nd choice keeper.
09 May 2021 18:43:08
Had to join in.
Maradona. Top of the list by some way - if only we got to see him play on the carpets they get today! Though I dread to think of the wages he could earn and the volume of drugs it could buy!
The rest, in no order:
Fowler
Romario
Vialli
Baggio
Batistuta
Matthaus
Maldini
Gullit
Van Basten.
15 Jan 2017 16:51:55
Oh ok. Get what you mean.
Didn't mean it as "fantasy football" - just it is always written that: *insert whoever* is available in January at a ridiculous price, therefore not worth it.
Or is it just not possible in football today that anyone can actually be "worth it".?
It's funny, coz right now an £89m Paul Pogba can't even follow a man at a corner.
21 Dec 2015 21:44:31
Thanks Ed002 - much appreciated.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}
12 Jun 2015 12:45:19
True - I see your point on the terminology.
Personally, I'd only like to see 2 or 3 go and 2 or 3 come in.
We just never seem to be able to do that or be in that position - for whatever reason
12 Jun 2015 12:28:57
So. add Origi to that and we could be heading for 8 players.
I long for the summers day on Sky Sports News where it only says 2 or 3 players in!! Ha!!
Thanks for all your on-going insight ED's - The Kovacic deal in particular, whatever it is. The silence over the particulars really does keep me on the: "I don't want to know" side!
Cheers.