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20 Jan 2017 19:52:42
Eds
Any new about Matip only I understood we would get an answer today

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{Ed025's Note - not at the moment pate..


 

 

31 Jan 2016 18:56:00
Hi Eds
Is it true that Sinclair refused to play for the 21s today. I find this a bit odd as surely he played (briefly) for the first team yesterday. I know he is being linked with Watford but surely Adie Ward wouldn't do something that daft again?

patemondo

{Ed001's Note - I haven't heard sorry, but it is a tactic Ward would look to use if necessary to force a move. Ward only cares about his bank balance and Sinclair joined him to make money.}


1.) 01 Feb 2016 04:19:06
i think those guys who called sinclair ingrate and aidy ward as evil agent will need to wake up their idea. the world revolves around $. What sterling and now sinclair doing is a norm rather exception. Liverpool managment will need to come up with a sustainable plan to retain these young talents, if not might as well scrap the academy.

{Ed001's Note - you really have no idea, neither of those came through our academy, so what on earth has losing two pricks got to do with scrapping it? Ward is a piece of dog turd, the world may revolve around $ but these players are already wealthy and what they revolve around is greed, not $.}


2.) 01 Feb 2016 07:28:27
Here here!


3.) 01 Feb 2016 07:54:30
Why would we want to retain a young talent like Sinclair?
He has zero humility and zero loyalty.
It's happened to plenty of players who think they're the dog's and end up as failures. Don't know why he thinks he'd get into any other Premier League club's 1st 11. Get rid of him asap, I don't even want to see him play for us anymore. And Brooks Lennon scored again, so happy days.


4.) 01 Feb 2016 08:48:51
Yeah I never got all this hype with Sinclair. Jack Dunn for me is far better but he seems to have disappeared.


5.) 01 Feb 2016 09:05:06
Anyone represented by Ward should not be touched by LFC. Contrary to Ward and Gordon Gecko GREED is NOT GOOD!


6.) 01 Feb 2016 09:41:46
Jack Dunn has had long term injury problems, but he came off the bench yesterday against Reading.

Today, Liverpool are going to swap Sinclair and Benteke for Deeney and Ighalo. Unfortunately for Liverpool, this will be happening in my imagination.

(mmm, oh yeah, that's nice, we're going to win the league now)


7.) 01 Feb 2016 11:02:32
Aidy Ward is not evil as far as I can tell, but he is greedy. It's probably a useful trait for a football agent 😄.
However, he seems to lack any ethics, there seems to be no low he won't stoop to to achieve his aims and he is happy to use young impressionable players to do his dirty work.
Fortunately he seems to be one of few. Karma will bite him one day.

As for Sinclair, I feel sorry for him, he is being misled and will develop a bad reputation which is hard to shake off.


8.) 01 Feb 2016 11:14:42
Aidy ward is no different than any other agent i know.


9.) 01 Feb 2016 11:16:03
If he has refused then I hope the club fines him within the code of the conduct at the club. I think it would then be fair to make him train with the youth team and exclude him from u21 and first team training.


10.) 01 Feb 2016 11:26:23
which other agents do you "know" smithy?


11.) 01 Feb 2016 11:28:42
Smithy - you know a lot of agents who go on TV and say their client would refuse a contract offer of 900k/ week do you?


12.) 01 Feb 2016 11:42:05
zeddicus: quite a few, including aidy. If aidy ward was doing what he does (what every other agent does) to get player to liverpool. liverpool fans wouldn't have a bad word to say about him.

{Ed001's Note - well that's a lie, as I would not be happy and would say so. And Ward is not like every other agent at all.}


13.) 01 Feb 2016 11:51:03
Ron:He thought it was off the record when he made them quotes.

{Ed001's Note - no he did not, he knew what the score was and played on it.}


14.) 01 Feb 2016 11:55:04
With our shortage of strikers it would have been ideal for Sinclair to burst on the scene but he was busy bitching. Not even Sterling was that greedy.


15.) 01 Feb 2016 11:55:17
Yeah that is nonsense Smithy, he won't ever change his MO so if you sign one of his players then you're just the next club he will try to humiliate.


16.) 01 Feb 2016 12:16:10
That your opinion ed! you can say that ed but if anyone is honest they know i'm right. Alex teixeira just made a video declaring his love for liverpool, i don't see any liverpool fans slating his agent! . If that was a liverpool player we all know what would be happening.

{Ed001's Note - actually it was nothing to do with his agent, it was a local TV company that shoved the mic under his nose after a match in the US. That was the player. So I really do not see the relevance between this and Sterling. Though you would find if you bothered to listen to the podcast we do that I stated quite clearly I was not comfortable with it and would not be happy if he was one of our players and that it would make me look elsewhere.}


17.) 01 Feb 2016 12:28:12
Ed001 most supporters don't know that. you might not be comfortable with it, but most fans don't care.

{Ed001's Note - you said all, backtrack all you like but you were wrong.}


18.) 01 Feb 2016 12:28:39
We're never going to agree on this Smithy, but next time you see him be sure to let him know we all think he's a devious, conniving rat and to enjoy it whilst he can because Karma is going to really sting. 😉.


19.) 01 Feb 2016 12:58:09
nearly all then ed 😜. he ain't that bad ron, just wants the best deal for his clients.


20.) 01 Feb 2016 13:03:48
Whats the footballing world thoughts on aidy ward ed? Its quite clear on here what we think of him on, but do other clubs/ owners/ managers share the same view as us?
Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I really couldn't speak for all of them, but West Brom made Berahino dump him as an agent, which speaks volumes.}


21.) 01 Feb 2016 13:55:49
In an ideal business world, I'd say those involved should conduct themselves like gentlemen and play by the rules. But the reality is really quite far from this. I dislike Ward and Sterling as much as any other LFC fan, but I also admit that I'm not really that surprised by it. It's the big money business world. Their one error was to be so vocal about their strategies and tactics, which won them so much praise and adulation (sarcastic snicker) . If they'd kept everything only on the negotiating table and behind closed doors (as is done 98% of the time), I think our perceptions would be slightly different. In hindsight, I don't think Suarez's (and his agent's) strategies and tactics were much different but we just don't know about it, because it probably all happened behind closed doors. I'm simply a fan and not directly involved in football dealings in any way. But I know the ruthlessness in big money business, and prisoners are rarely taken.


22.) 01 Feb 2016 15:00:48
That's great news Jurgen ta for the update.


 

 

20 Jul 2013 09:34:12
Eds
Can you explain the reasoning behind Pepe going on loan to Napoli as I don't see the sense in it. His value is only going to fall.
If he is no longer in BR plans why don't we insist on a permanent deal to use the money elsewhere. Except it takes a chunk of the wage bill but we seem masters at sending our unwanted on loans. {Ed002's Note - I am surprised that Liverpool did not look to a sale as they knew Pepe Reina wanted to leave. There is plenty of time left in the transfer window and a loan makes very little sense to me - but Napoli had no desire to buy another GK after Rafael arrived. Their first choice was Cesar but QPR decided not to loan him and to say he would only be sold immediately before the deal was completed. Pepe was second choice, but I am sure he will welcome the chance to work with Benitez again.}

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20 Jul 2013 09:34:12
Eds
Can you explain the reasoning behind Pepe going on loan to Napoli as I don't see the sense in it. His value is only going to fall.
If he is no longer in BR plans why don't we insist on a permanent deal to use the money elsewhere. Except it takes a chunk of the wage bill but we seem masters at sending our unwanted on loans. {Ed002's Note - I am surprised that Liverpool did not look to a sale as they knew Pepe Reina wanted to leave. There is plenty of time left in the transfer window and a loan makes very little sense to me - but Napoli had no desire to buy another GK after Rafael arrived. Their first choice was Cesar but QPR decided not to loan him and to say he would only be sold immediately before the deal was completed. Pepe was second choice but I am sure he will welcome the chance to work with Benitez again.}

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10 Aug 2023 13:47:05
We have been messing around with Lavia for months. Long before Henderson and Fabinho were tapped up by the Saudis so with their sale we have in effect an extra £50M to work with.

It is clear from our pre season that we are still vulnerable defensively and this is going to be our Achilles heal. We have to start well if we are going to challenge and it's disappointing we have not nailed these signings. Thankfully Chelsea are an even worse mess so we can get something from our first fixture.

Bottom line though is the longer we drag our heels on those we are truly chasing (90% crap media reports IMO), the more difficult it will be. We seem to have learnt nothing from the previous season.

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1.) 10 Aug 2023 15:36:40
The club will have a fee in. mind they are willing to spend. They could buy someone else for 80 million because they believe its a fair price.


2.) 10 Aug 2023 15:55:34
Patemondo, the club is doing what it always does regarding recruitment, imo. Cos they look embarrassing and incompetent to you or le is not something they are arsed about cos they don’t do business with you nor me in mind.

We’re all going to have to be patient and see what happens. The good thing is that nobody is complaining that we are not trying to get the players we need. They are complaining that we are not doing it fast enuff. The club isn’t bothered about any of the latter, it seems.


3.) 10 Aug 2023 16:19:46
Patemondo, the Saudis did not tap up Hendo or Fabinho. They went about business the proper way. At the end if the day, both players wanted to leave and they did so with the club's blessings. It may have been ideal for us and we definitely didn't plan for both of them to leave but that's just how it happens sometimes.


4.) 10 Aug 2023 16:32:06
I don't thin it is as simple as saying we suddenly have £50m cash to play around with.


5.) 10 Aug 2023 21:16:15
I use the analogy, you want to buy a car and have 15k. You see one for 7k, but thinks it’s worth 5k or you seem one for 15k and you think it’s worth about that. Which is the better deal?


 

 

13 Jun 2023 18:18:21
please tell me we are not trying to get Ward Prowse. IMO he does not fit our style and simply does not work hard enough.

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1.) 13 Jun 2023 18:23:09
Southampton want 50 mill for him. Unless they drop that price by 50% then he won’t be going anywhere.


2.) 13 Jun 2023 18:59:56
£25m would be far too much, he offers nothing when the ball is moving.


3.) 13 Jun 2023 19:05:50
It's crazy people get so worked up over a rumour which is almost certainly not true.


4.) 13 Jun 2023 20:22:38
I’m also amazed that people are so up to date on all other players.

Speaking personally, with work and family, I barely get a chance to watch our games (in full or highlights) nevermind all of the other teams in the world!


5.) 13 Jun 2023 21:00:30
Might as well give Tyler Morton a go. JWP is not worth all the attention he is getting right now.


6.) 13 Jun 2023 21:06:57
People tend to echo what the eds have said about certain players I think. Me included sometimes!


7.) 13 Jun 2023 21:07:56
I'm not convinced Ward-Prowse is the right player for us, but it's laughable to say he doesn't work hard enough. He is literally a young James Milner with better set pieces and less pace. You'd do well to find a player anywhere who works harder. He's an exemplary role model on and off the pitch, but sadly he's just lacking the pace or power to be top player.


8.) 13 Jun 2023 21:38:05
JWP is purely speculation but I was thinking if we were to continue to play Trent in this hybrid role that someone of JWP elk might be a good signing as a backup…. who can also play midfield, plus he helps with HG quota…. don’t get me wrong I would rather more dynamic signing for midfield, but I can see the logic in the links, if true.
Would be interesting to know the thoughts of the Eds, as I don’t get to see much footy.


9.) 13 Jun 2023 18:42:53
50 million for a one-trick-pony? Will wonders never cease.


10.) 13 Jun 2023 22:59:28
Low energy player.

Not Klopp’s type of player.


11.) 13 Jun 2023 23:14:09
@Zed, spot on, if you were to make a name up and say you’d heard a rumour there’d be half a dozen providing you with an in-depth review of why he wouldn’t make it / isn’t good enough / is too expensive for us.

Like you say I find that everyday life takes up most of my time, yet there are people on here who seem to not only watch every league match in every European and South American league but also have a full understanding of th strengths and weaknesses of every player in every league. We are lucky to have such knowledge available and I’m just surprised that the club don’t make use of it.


12.) 14 Jun 2023 06:15:54
Ward-Prowse works his socks off covers loads off ground every game. He has worked under some very poor mangers so who knows how good he could be under Klopp with better players round him. He might not be very good positionally thank you but to say he does not work hard is definitely not something to he thrown at him.


13.) 14 Jun 2023 07:22:38
Could he be used to cover Trent in the inverted fullback position?


14.) 14 Jun 2023 08:51:41
Sounds like his agent trying to drum up some interest, doubt we've even looked at him. Garbage player, any Premier League club who already have a free kick taker wouldn't bother.


15.) 14 Jun 2023 09:08:02
At the right price his set pieces are worth it on their own, you shouldn’t underestimate just how important set pieces are in today’s game. If you need a goal in the last 20 minutes you stick him on and win set pieces high up the pitch. His delivery with our firepower up front would be difficult to stop.
Not worth £50mil but I would see some logic in at least looking at him.


16.) 14 Jun 2023 09:40:17
Beckers, If he were on a free or available for like £10-20m i'd say he's a great option to replace Milner as an experienced leader who sets a great example to the younger lads. But at £50m it's crazy. We'd be mad to pay that for a 28 year old squad player.

I'm definitely not having it that he doesn't work hard enough though. I honestly don't believe the OP has ever watched JWP play after that comment. It's like calling Kyle Walker slow. Or saying Haaland can't finish.

{Ed001's Note - 10-20m? Insanity. He is useless and not a leader in anyway. Replacement for Milner? That is just an insult to a consummate professional suggesting Ward-Prowse could replace him as an experienced leader. Even if they were paying us £20m to take him off their hands I wouldn't touch him.}


17.) 14 Jun 2023 09:40:24
I would not even pay 20m for a bang average to decent at best JWP at 28 yrs old. He is nowhere near who we need back up or not. We have Baj who did bits for us while we have Elliott who covers ground and works his socks off as well.

Give them those minutes that they’ve actually earned and they know the system inside out rather than wasting funds and wages on a washed up Ward Prowse. Just my opinion.


18.) 14 Jun 2023 10:03:24
If Southampton offered to pay us 20 million to take Ward Prowse then FSG would likely hold out for 21 million.


19.) 14 Jun 2023 10:32:27
@JK - I’d sincerely hope FSG held out for the full £ 50m and then we could go out and buy a useful midfielder.

On a separate though related point, I’d rather have kept Millie if the alternative is to actually buy Ward-Prowse.


20.) 14 Jun 2023 11:29:27
Beckers we've just signed Mac Allister who is an excellent set piece taker, as is Trent.

{Ed001's Note - and both are much better players.}


21.) 14 Jun 2023 13:03:57
Agree to disagree Ed001. I think that's very harsh and probably hyperbole to be honest mate, saying he's worth minus £20m. Ward-Prowse is also a very good professional and has been a brilliant captain for Saints on and off the pitch. I think he's good enough to start for a mid-table Prem team or be a squad option for a top 6 team. It was almost sad watching Saints sell off the good players around him and replace them with either teenagers or Championship players. He was hung out to dry in my opinion. A midfielder who works his socks off and scores about 10 goals a season for relegation fodder doesn't deserve to be called useless.

{Ed001's Note - I am sorry but you are just wrong. He is not a good player nor a good captain. Certainly not brilliant in any way, shape or form. And your take on Saints transfer dealings seems to ignore the fact that they were selling their better players, which is why he is still there. It is not because he was hung out to dry, it is because no one was willing to pay a decent price for a player who was nowhere near good enough to improve their team. You massively overrate him and I do not have a clue what you have seen, because you clearly are not watching him. Perhaps if he had learnt to pass forward, the team might have gained more goals with him in the side?}


22.) 14 Jun 2023 13:58:56
I'm not over rating him. I literally said he was only worth having on a free or for about £10-20m which is peanuts nowadays. Half our fan base expects that kind of money for our 2nd choice keeper who has less than 20 senior appearances.

I'm not over rating JWP at all. He's an average Premier League midfielder. All i've disputed in this thread is the ludicrous claim that he doesn't work hard when his hard work is what has got him to this level despite a lack of natural ability. I'm not advocating we sign him at all. He's not worth anything like £50m and I never said he was. I also said that he was a slower player than Milner and that lack of mobility will prevent him ever being a top player.

He's not useless though. That's clearly hyperbole on your part. I agree with you on so much of your views on football and players, but a midfielder who contributes a lot of goals and assists for a very poor team is obviously not useless. He's been captain since he was very young because he works so hard on and off the pitch, to the point he barely misses a minute of football in any given season. He'd have been a far better 6th choice midfielder for us than Keita, Ox or Arthur, hence why I'd have him on a free transfer. But i don't think he's good enough to start for us if we want to win anything. I don't think that's an unreasonable view.


23.) 14 Jun 2023 18:08:31
If we're looking at Ward-Prowse then what was the point of bringing in Schmadtke oversummer?


 

 

25 Aug 2017 19:18:51
Much as i love Klipperty if he thinks Moreno is like a new signing and is outstanding then we have a problem.
Its going to be a fun ride guys with plenty of high scoring games but we won't win the league letting in 50 goals a season like we did with Rodgers.
Having said that i loved being at those games it was electric at Anfield.

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1.) 25 Aug 2017 19:33:09
I would have much prefered him to come out and tell everyone he doesn't rate Alberto.


2.) 25 Aug 2017 19:43:15
Moreno needs confidence and that what Klopp is doing I think he will be part of the best defence in the league once we get going and I think most people here will agree what about u Ed.

{Ed002's Note - No, not at all.}


3.) 25 Aug 2017 19:44:52
Really? You want the manager to destroy a youngster who's spent an entire season out of the fold, without moaning, worked as hard as he could and regained his place?
That's a very strange call,


4.) 25 Aug 2017 20:05:33
accept the fact that Moreno will be first choice LB and Robertson is second choice LB this season for Liverpool.


5.) 25 Aug 2017 20:11:49
Klopp's hardly going to come out say: "We all like Alberto, but he can't defend for toffee and he'll be backup once we get Robertson over the messed up pre season he had at Hull. " is he?

He knows full well what Moreno's limitations are, or else Milner wouldn't have played left full all last season, and we wouldn't have bought Robertson in the summer. Once Robertson is fully fit, he'll play the majority of games, unless by some miracle of science he manages to be a worse defender than Moreno, which is unlikely.


6.) 25 Aug 2017 20:19:01
would you like your missus to public state you have a tiny willy and don't know how to use it?

{Ed001's Note - or perhaps for a bird to have a top selling song talking about how you naked doesn't impress her much?}


7.) 25 Aug 2017 22:52:47
Ed001

Would you mind if she had written the same song about you? I THINK NOT 😂😂😂😂.

{Ed001's Note - it's ok mate, no needs to know if it had been about me.}


 

 

01 Feb 2017 13:14:05
A very good performance against league champions elect Chelsea and well worth the 8 hour road trip. The fans were on top of our game. Its often a library lately with opposition fans more vocal but i don't know whether its to do with night games but we really got stuck in.

IMO a draw was a fair result it could have been better with some good chances missed Firmino and Can spring to mind but some poor defending notably from Lovren and this obsession with playing out of trouble deep when pressed continues a concern.

Plenty of plus points though. Can had a good 2nd half when pushed into a more forward position and i like Gini as he plays with some calm. The full backs debate remains but i like Clyne and i think he has been playing injured for a while now as has Henderson who was back to more like his old self.

Alright Clyne doesn't attack defenders and get behind (although he did once deep in the 2nd half) . Maybe it would be worth switching him and Milner during a game. Young TAA is a longer term prospect and we should treat his progress with care as he could be world class if nurtured properly.

This squad is very much a work in progress and although i, like others, were upset with recent performances we do not have the strength in depth currently that others have. This will come under Klopp who is also learning about the EPL. Big next few months and summer window. Remain positive and as Klopp says atart to enjoy the ride, bumps and all

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22 Jan 2017 19:28:13
What is wrong with some of our supporters. A defeat against Swansea and its all Klopp's fault.
Bottom line is we are going through a poor run of form. Clubs go through it from time to time.
We need to get to grips with the fact that teams are going to park the bus and try to catch us on the break. IMO the problem we have currently is we are not moving the ball quickly, and nobody seems to be able to run at players wide and get behind teams. We also seem to be trying to walk the ball into the net. In both the Swansea and Plymouth games their keeper didn't have to make a save in the first 45 mins.
Mane is a big miss because of his pace. However at the moment Henderson and Can slow the game down too much for my liking. All of this is sortable and Klopp is the man to do it.
Only 3 league defeats albeit against sides we should be turning over but we are still in the mix in all 3 competitions. I don't think the fans help. It has been a library in our last 2 home games and we should take a leaf out of our away support which is outstanding.
We have plenty to play for and it won't take much to turn it around.
A big 10 days coming up which define our season. I am confident we will get through this sticky patch

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1.) 22 Jan 2017 20:48:15
Look no one said sack kloop but the bad run has been 2 months not just swansea


2.) 22 Jan 2017 21:04:34
Our last 4 results in Dec were victories. Midlesboro, Everton, Stoke and Man City. We have had a bad January, 22 days!


3.) 22 Jan 2017 21:36:17
Sorry irish end of Nov early dec sund borm westham southham


4.) 22 Jan 2017 21:55:28
dont be stressing lads, we'll be back in the champions league next season. Not to mention one of the cups we'll win this season :)


5.) 22 Jan 2017 22:56:28
Two months? we had won 4 in a row in the Pl before the Sunderland game on Jan 2. A bit of perspective is needed, please.


6.) 23 Jan 2017 15:36:47
It was Klopps fault due to his team selection - why are being so defensive of him? Managers are all human and sometimes they get it wrong.
Nobody is saying sack him.


 

 

 

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14 Feb 2024 19:39:02
Whenever we hype things up such as Bellingham being a shoe-in, it all goes a bit Pete Tong. However we have a habit of getting a rough diamond who goes on to be a great fit. Alonso is a great fit but i cannot help feeling that he will either stay where he is and take Bayer Leverkusen on their Champions League journey or one of the Spanish giants nick him. Hopefully he comes. This may depend on who we recruit as Director of Football, as they will need to be singing off the same hymn sheet. I take it as Red that the owners will frank the plan. At the moment let's concern ourselves with the task in hand and leave the powers that be to get the job done, whatever that will be. They have been mostly spot on over the last 10 years so trust them.

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10 Aug 2023 16:13:59
Agree entirely with Ed. Might do on the 2nd or 3rd though.

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05 Aug 2023 10:23:09
It's just sending a message. He is their player. If you want him pay the fee or close to it. Otherwise he stays. Classic transfer stuff. We need to get on with it or move on.

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01 Feb 2022 10:55:51
With Nico going on loan to Fulham do not be surprised if this is part of a private "arrangement" to get first option on him in the summer. Fulham may get promoted and be in a position to want to buy. This could suit both parties.

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25 Jan 2018 18:27:22
Don't be so disrespectful.
He has been a good player for the club.
He doesn't fit our system now and has his issues but on his day as he has proved on many occasion he was one of the best strikers around.

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02 Jul 2020 23:03:27
We had a roasting at lowly Watford. The league was won by February and we have taken our foot of the pedal since. Some shocking performances tonight for sure. Defensively we were terrible. Gomez, Trent Arnold and Robertson in particular. Gomez done twice by Sterling, Robertson was all over the place and Arnold couldn't throw the ball in let alone pass it. We created enough chances though but aside from Salah hitting the upright we were well off the pace. Fantastic season. Being Premier Champions was our only goal IMO. However now we have to push on. IMO we need a CB to support VVD and someone to rotate around Mane, Salah and Firmino. Firmino is key to us but we need someone capable of doing the same role, giving him and us another option.

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04 Apr 2020 21:30:12
Imagine the uproar when we buy a player for millions in the next transfer window. A complete shambles in which, regardless of our outstanding on pitch performances, we will have lost our soul.

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04 Apr 2020 20:49:46
Absolutely gutted. I have always thought that our club was a class above every other but today is one of our darkest days. We are a disgrace. Probably one of the most successful clubs in the world with huge profits from it via sponsorship etc and we do this. It is a complete disgrace and we deserve any rubbish thrown at us.

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03 Jan 2019 23:15:47
Absolutely agree Redwolf. I despair with some fans on here. Undefeated in the Prem and beaten by the Champions who we still hold a 4pt lead at the top of the table. It was desperate for City to win and they were just the better side today. They worked on our weakest defender in Lovren and opened us up in Midfield. When we made the change with Fabinho and scored I thought we could go on but we lost the ball up front and City broke to score the decisive winner. Two top sides but they had it tonight. If you were asked if you would take a 4pt lead going into January at the start of the season you would have taken it. Get a grip for Christ sake.

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20 Feb 2018 18:45:24
I doubt you would sit back if someone spat in your face!

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