22 Oct 2015 00:08:05
Will be interesting to see what happens with joao teixeira. Another kid who has potential needing games! quick question. Eds, is illori returning out of the question? I think most fans would like to see him get a genuine chance for first team. Is the Villa deal restrictive of us calling an end to his loan? Sorry if you've done this one to death.

{Ed001's Note - it is very unlikely he will return, he wanted to leave, unless Villa decide not to make the deal permanent. Klopp wants to have a look at all the players on our books, but Ilori is not even getting games to take a look at him.}

1.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 06:26:44
Looking at Villa not even playing him or putting him on team sheet, how can they possibly evaluate him ? Don't see how they will buy him as it is, opinions?

{Ed001's Note - depends on the next manager really, and whether he actually has balls or whether he just talks a lot of balls like the current manager.}

2.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 06:50:28
That seems a bit odd Ed? ! If I were Klopp and I wanted to see all the players and they were not getting time on their loan then I'd enquire about a breakage. The man must have seen footage of the U21 Euros until he got injured to see it is with looking first hand. Even get over to an AV reserve game or something like that? ! Also Players sentiments regarding clubs and leaving / staying often change with new management and on the reverse to the point I make about Klopp putting himself out to view surely a player who has yet to really break into first team football consistently surely he would like to impress in whatever way he can? !

{Ed001's Note - how is it odd? It is not as simple as you are making out. Villa have paid money for a contract to take him on loan with a view to buy, it would then cost us money to buy them out of the contract and we would then have the lad's wages back on the books too. So it is a lot of money being spent merely to have a look at a possibility. As for get over to a reserve game, do you not think he will do if he can, or at least get someone to check him out if not? I don't see your point there. It was just that the level of those games is no indicator of his ability. It is impossible to judge an on loan player on a reserve game appearance.}

3.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 07:02:58
My point is we have Sakho! On the player front I would be thinking Sakho yes I could work with him, Skrtel hmm I can replace him and I am not getting my chances here. On the club front I would be thinking get a feel for whether Villa are really serious about this guy or whether actually we can take back and view. It really is not that much money you are talking about when you consider the less than gambles we have made recently - the Balo' debacle, the Markovic debarcle, need I go on? That is my point!

{Ed001's Note - except you are saying we should just carry on spanking money away because that is what we have done in the past. Makes no sense whatsoever. I would like us to learn from our mistakes, not compound them like you are asking for. We are in huge amounts of debt, we need to cut spending, not increase it.}

4.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 07:35:02
Forgive me also for questioning your knowledge of the contract but unless you are part of the LFC legal team I expect that you know not a great deal more than I about it? ! My humble view is that if the contract was as straight forward as you suggest in the "with the view to buy" area then it is a totally one sided contract. Loan deals are never written I such a way that the loaner club has no benefit and so there is either a over inflated buying value or an opportunity for loaner to retract. Otherwise it is not just half the squad needing to be replaced but the legal team too! Ok so we get his wages paid but we'd have done that if we had just sold him - there has to be a reason we never? !

{Ed001's Note - I give up, you have no idea what you are talking about, this is just pointless. Humble is not a word you understand. One sided? He wanted out, do you not understand??? Or are you going to give me more of your clearly ignorant bull about no such thing as one sided contracts?}

5.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 07:50:36
Reading this I think you might be missing Sid's point Ed sorry to say.

{Ed001's Note - no I am not, he is missing the point, as clearly are you. Pointless conversation I am done with it. If you can't understand then I am wasting my time, as usual.}

6.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 07:55:25
Ok I give up too! I don't know you and therefore not familiar with the level and span of knowledge you actually have (including, I recall, purported French National Team knowledge as to why Payet doesn't get a chance - a player that has been accepted well at West Ham) but I personally do have some knowledge myself around the subject of our discussion yet seem to be knocked down in conversation. Ok let's move on! I.

{Ed001's Note - purported? Oh for heaven's sake! I give up. You really are making yourself look stupid now. I won't waste my time on you again, you are admitting ignorance, but still want to try and make out you are in the know. This is like having a discussion with Harry or a brick wall.}

7.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 07:59:36
If a player wants out then decide if you want to try to turn his views which had been done on one or two grander scales or wouldn't you just sell? I see his point. Not sure I care about Ilori right now but see the point.

{Ed001's Note - clearly you don't see the point, as you are also missing it by a mile. How many offers did we get matching the valuation we placed on him? You know so we could 'just sell' as you said to. Oh wait none.}

8.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 09:09:57
If Villa are not playing him, it's possible they won't pay the agreed fee to make the move permanent or he won't want to stay there.
In that case he would be our player again. Then it gets interesting and will depend on what Ilori wants to do. If he still wants to leave, I imagine it will happen. If he wants to fight for a place with the new management then I imagine that will happen.
Currently we are 3rd in line for making decisions. 1) Ilori 2) Villa 3) LFC and nothing is likely to happen before next summer.

9.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 11:12:00
Plus if Villa get relegated? !

10.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 11:18:37
I think the biggest points are these
1.Nobody wanted him, certainly NOT for the fee we expected
2.Its in your own remarks, Villa aren't even playing him, Villa, I'll say it again, Villa, So why would we be so desperate to get him back to replace any of our experienced centre backs whether you rate them or not? I rate ALL our centre backs better than ALL of theirs and he can't get a game with them,
I really wish our fans would get a grip when it comes to their unrelenting support of our youth players and lads in reserve, granted we paid for Ilori but they don't all make it and clearly something isn't right otherwise he'd be playing
Hes gone move on.

11.) 22 Oct 2015
22 Oct 2015 12:53:00
Pretty sure the payet problems were pretty common in the media too, I'm not sure it needed purporting as such.