Liverpool Banter Archive September 17 2010
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17 Sep 2010 23:27:30
ha . easy man.it juz my sugestion. btw, im the fan of club who trashed braga 6-0 this week. n i thnk my club is the sole established club who alway in top 4 n didn't being raped by yanks or being sugar-daddied by any oil tycon. so why don't u juz support my club?this advice is also applied for manure fan. n again, no offence mate.
YNWA
(You'll Never Win Again)
Mr.E
17 Sep 2010 23:21:43
I have a feeling Roy Hodgson would check this site, because its top of google search
Im sure he's read through the rubbish here.
But remember to keep the faith, embrace the tradition of football club and the passion the fans have for the game.
Roy Hodgson show to fans confidance on sunday. lead them into battle
17 Sep 2010 23:14:54
I think Landon Donovan would do well for liverpool.
why don't we bring in a american that the fans may like
17 Sep 2010 23:05:50
Bottom line: until the yanks are gone the reds will play s* te which means the price the yanks can get will fall
the writing is on the wall for them
17 Sep 2010 23:04:31
So many liverpool come here moaning bout their club n critising the yanks. i got 1suggestion, why don't u collect £100 from each fan then gve it 2 ed. mybe ed will have enough money to buy back ur club from the yanks. after dat u can take back rafa to become ur chairman. how bout dat?its juz my suggestion.no offence lads.
YNWA
(You'll Never Win Again)
your either a prawn sandwich scum in which case your in the same boat as us. or a bluenose in which case youve got no money an a manager just waiting for a bigger job. SMF. .if we did collect 100 quid from each fan that would be £4, 200 million
17 Sep 2010 22:55:20
So many liverpool come here moaning bout their club n critising the yanks. i got 1suggestion, why don't u collect £100 from each fan then gve it 2 ed. mybe ed will have enough money to buy back ur club from the yanks. after dat u can take back rafa to become ur chairman. how bout dat?its juz my suggestion.no offence lads.
YNWA
(You'll Never Win Again)
Mr.E
17 Sep 2010 22:47:39
Anyone can be big with a period of sustained success.}
Agreed cos i never seen a blackburn shirt till the 90's but by the time City would have sustained any success to get your credability up to Liver or Man u. The Sheikh would have died of old age.
17 Sep 2010 22:42:57
Years. . .an youd ave got em off Lardy Ashley for a few mill and a cheeseburger. .SMF {ed's note - City had the stadium and the casino for future revenue.}
but i could never see globally city being in the same league as others? Dont you think? {ed's note - anyone can be big with a period of sustained success.}
17 Sep 2010 22:36:35
Dont know if you get my pont with Sheikh buying City but what i mean is. He could buy any club. .Why City? If you wn prem with Cty they'll be made up. . .If you won the prem with Newcastle each an every supporter would rim you for the next 75 years. . .an youd ave got em off Lardy Ashley for a few mill and a cheeseburger. .SMF {ed's note - City had the stadium and the casino for future revenue.}
17 Sep 2010 22:30:14
Dirks Engine Room
I agree on some of your points. I believe we have an outstanding prospect in Babel if he is given the chance & confidence to shine. You are correct that all he needs is an arm around him & a manager who will put him on the pitch.
Now if only we can come away from OT on Sunday without losing then I think we won't have made a bad start. The one thing that we lacked badly after last years start was a little confidence! Confidence breeds success!
The Irish Rover
17 Sep 2010 22:28:52
A great man said:
"My idea was to build Liverpool into a bastion of invincibility. Napoleon had that idea and he conquered the bloody world! And that's what I wanted; for Liverpool to be untouchable. My idea was to build Liverpool up and up and up until eventually everyone would have to submit and give in."
I believe that could well come to fruitation again!
Dirks Engine Room
He DID. .A man genius. like Celtic winning the european cup under Stein, Like Forest and Clough, . . these people may come along once in a lifetime. .I'd love to believe it could happen but theres No more Heros. I was born late 66 , I said to my kids a few years ago, As long as you live we'll never win the champions lg and England will never win the world cup, at least i got to see Liver win the 4 European cups. . how wrong was I, the next year they won number 5(unbelievable). .but England will never win the world cup . .
17 Sep 2010 22:25:31
RE:With the City owners and trust me I'm not being disrepectful to City. but why city
r u talking about man-city, and why oil-owner bought them? prob because they where bought by Ex-Thai PM and former Man City owner Thaksin Shinawatra,
Who had to run out of thai-land because his troubles and hold up with his money in UK. So he bought man-city like his moden day palace. Then sold it because of everythin that was happenin to him. He was respnsible with the club and found better backers.Oil money.
Or are you talkin about Liverpool and Why the Americans wanted clubs like Man Utd and Liverpool.
Chelsea was already owned by oil money. These people could see the huge amounts that champions-league money (100m+) will bring in for english teams, compared to others in europe because of distribution rights of tv money + prem tv money. EPL is most profitbale + champions league EPL teams (*very profitabal)
Man utd was already bought out in a leveraged buyout by the Glaziers and Other Americans saw it was possible and possibly profitable. So Liverpool was right for Silver Tongued devil.
If i was Hicks. i would of bought out Arsenal and given then this financial mess.
But the next TV deal for Internet Rights is likely to be even bigger and more profitable for football clubs.
17 Sep 2010 21:32:51
With the City owners and trust me I'm not being disrepectful to City. . but WHY City? I don't get it He could have got an unbelievable steeped in traditiion mega club that would be feared anywhere with fans to match in Liverpool. .He could have got bargainbasement Newcastle and been a hero beyond his beliefs. He could have bought the scum. .He bought a team that were pushing for promotion with Wigan and Fulham not to long ago in the lower divisions. . Am i wrong? I liked City but I just don't get it. SMF
17 Sep 2010 21:16:04
I simply do not know what happened to rafa in his last season at LFC. All the problems Liverpool have now, all came under rafa in his last season at LFC.
Here are some of the reasons why rafa and Liverpool were so poor last season:
1. LFC were already cash strapped. (NOT NECESARILY RAFAS FAULT)
2. Selling Alonso and not getting Barry. (MAYBE MAN CITY OFFERED MORE MONEY- IS BARRY (WITHOUT MEANING TO SOUND ADRIAN DURHAM "ALL THAT")
3. Signing Aqualani for 20m while injured. (AGREE - AND THEN NOT PLAYING HIM WHEN FIT - SHOWED TOTAL LACK OF BELIEF)
4. Selling Arbeloa (a settled right back). (SAID ALL ALONG ARBELOA WAS A VERY GOOD PLAYER, BUT ALSO THINK HE MAY HAVE BEEN HOMESICK, THERE WERE LOTS OF RUMOURS FROM EARLIER ON)
5. Introducing youth players (like Insua and Lucas)as first choice in first team due to lack experienced first team players.
(LUCAS IS AN 8 MILLION POUND SIGNING - NOT A YOUTH PLAYER. INSUA OFFERED PROMISE THEN FOUND OUT ABOUT KFC FAMILY MEAL DEAL. BUT IN TRUTH RAFA DID NOT BELIEVE IN THE YOUTH SET UP. HOW MANY PLAYERS CAME THROUGH? LOTS OF POTENTIAL MAYBE.)
6. Babel lost his confidence while newer players like Degan never settled (BABEL IS NOT A LEFT WINGER, NEVER WILL BE AND IF WE USE HIM RIGHT POSITION AND HE DEVELOPS SOME CONFIDENCE HE COULD BE (NOTE COULD BE) A GREAT PLAYER, THE BOY NEEDS TO BE HUGGED).
7. Too much belief in Mascherano (Masch was a good tackler, but was not a good allround defensive midfielder). (MASCH IS PROBABLY THE BEST DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER IN THE WORLD! UNFORTUNATELY AT HOME AGAINST WIGAN, WE'D PLAY ANOTHER DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER NEXT TO HIM. HE LEFT IN A DISGRACEFUL MANNER, AND WE MOVE ON. POULSON IS A GOOD PLAYER, AND RAUL WILL DO A JOB)
Most of these problems seem to be sorted under Hodgson as he had got rid of the dead wood and has signed some good players. If Hodgson can get the confidence back in Liverpool that they lost badly last season then Liverpool could be back in buisness.
(THINK ROY WILL DO A GREAT JOB! IN OPENING GAMES WE PLAYED ARSENAL (h), CITEH (a), WEST BROM (h - should have been easier), BIRMINGHAM (a - not lost in 6+ at home) AND MANURE (a). TOUGH START! !)
Hopefully
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DIRKS ENGINE ROOM
17 Sep 2010 20:57:56
This is last chance saloon from the Fat Thick Texas Ranger.
The board can veto, but if Hicks pays RBS, then Broughton is off. The board cannot veto.
It's a BIG IF!
Hicks is at an all time low when it comes to lending and in such a high profile deal I'd be suprised if any bank would lend their name to it. It is a last ditch attempt to try and get his stake back. Gillette is quiet (no change there then) and he will want to cut losses and retire gracefully.
Stevie, Nando, Pepe, and Joe (can we call him Joey? what about Coley?) and Raul would have not stayed/ joined if the club was not in a position to offer some sort of stability and ultimate progression (Stevie especially).
A great man said:
"My idea was to build Liverpool into a bastion of invincibility. Napoleon had that idea and he conquered the bloody world! And that's what I wanted; for Liverpool to be untouchable. My idea was to build Liverpool up and up and up until eventually everyone would have to submit and give in."
I believe that could well come to fruitation again!
Dirks Engine Room
17 Sep 2010 20:55:00
"{Editor's Note: We'll have to see if you get your way then. Maybe the sugar daddies are queuing up out there. The Manchester City owners have already spent more than the club is worth - so if they were to put it up for sale now they would not get their money back.}"
Do you honestly believe that the City owners bought the club to get a return?
RR
17 Sep 2010 20:30:43
I simply do not know what happened to rafa in his last season at LFC. All the problems Liverpool have now, all came under rafa in his last season at LFC.
Here are some of the reasons why rafa and Liverpool were so poor last season:
1. LFC were already cash strapped.
2. Selling Alonso and not getting Barry.
3. Signing Aqualani for 20m while injured.
4. Selling Arbeloa (a settled right back).
5. Introducing youth players (like Insua and Lucas)as first choice in first team due to lack experienced first team players.
6. Babel lost his confidence while newer players like Degan never settled.
7. Too much belief in Mascherano (Masch was a good tackler, but was not a good allround defensive midfielder).
Most of these problems seem to be sorted under Hodgson as he had got rid of the dead wood and has signed some good players. If Hodgson can get the confidence back in Liverpool that they lost badly last season then Liverpool could be back in buisness.
Hopefully
~
17 Sep 2010 20:02:53
HICK wants to buy out and take sole ownership. . . . . . . .Here's one wishing and hoping that the disillusioned old timer doesn't meet the fit and proper test to run a football club. . .look what happened to Pompey. . .Please Premier league big wigs. show some sense.
17 Sep 2010 19:59:19
Roy {ed's note - I would rather slip below them than become a Chelsea or Man City. I have no idea why you think we need so many players anyway, I believe one player could transform our team. Just one striker would put us up amongst the challengers in my opinion, I don't understand where you get 5 or 6 from at all. All we need is someone who can play alongside or instead of Torres. Once the players settle in to Roy's methods and get used to playing together, added to increased confidence, then we will be a much better side.}. . .
Totally agree. there are other more important issues than just buying stupid. someone said earlier about Johnson going to city for 6 mil, When you look at Silva. Johnson is a miles better player/ investment/ potential. So your scouting is more important than your spending, thats why Shelvey is a better buy than if you'd have bought say Barry.The only important thing is we all want success right now. and just reading your emails how agressively impatiant can we all be. .the good thing about yday cos up to late on we struggled, is that we won 4-1 and looked fancy free at the end. so gerrard torres johnson et al in the stands. you have to step it up sunday. .cos the young guns will take your place. Chelsea are the ones to beat this year, the rest can fight for second and our players are as good as any , its up to the manager and the senior players to knuckle down and make it work. . Northern Souls Keep the Faith. SMF
17 Sep 2010 19:50:43
HELLO ED HARD WORK 4 YER TODAY. . BY THE LOOK OF IT MATE I SEE IT LIKE THIS. . . THIS IS THE DEAF ROLL OF H&G THERE IS NOT A CHANCE IN HELL THEY WILL GET ANYTHING OUT OF ARE GREAT CLUB. THEY SAY U GET WHOTS COMING TO YER AN BOY THEY ARE GOING TO GET IT. . . . . . . . . . . THE SAY U ONLY GET BACK WHOT U PAY IN SO THERE U GO GROTTY TWINS. . . . ED ITS COMING TO THE END THE ONLY THINGS THAT MATTERS IS ARE GREAT CLUB COZ THERE WILL ALWAYS BE AN LFC. . . . JUST LIKE THE DAY I WED ED FOR BETTER OR WORSE FOR RICHER OR POORER I DO AN THAT GOES 4 LIVERPOOL FC 2 BOYS AN GIRLS UP THE POOL IN LITTLE GAFFA WE TRUST WALK ON WALK ON MANCS 1 LFC 2 JAY ESSEX RED 4 LIFE
17 Sep 2010 19:40:35
So what is the City owners & Romans strategy Ed. After all these guys are first & foremost business men & I've never known any of those just to throw money at something in the hope of getting a return. I just don't get it & I don't beleive they are in it for the fun. Do they really think they can make these clubs the biggest in the world before selling up?
The Irish Rover {ed's note - it is just a toy to them, in the main. They want the biggest and best toy, hence why Roman had to get the biggest yacht around, rather than just getting a nice one. These kind of people have so much money these clubs are their equivalent of buying a games console and a new player is like buying a new game for it.}
I disagree Ed , If Roman sells chelsea today he'll make few millions in profit, City is different, apprentely its 10 year project, saying that I can't remember if I posted this before, but the day after our defeat to them, I was reading an Abu dhabi popular paper and the head line translated is something like "Our club beaten Liverpool 3 : 0", the people there look at city as their own, his spending and success is making his people happy - to him it may be worth the millions.
Roy {ed's note - how would Roman make any money? The club owes him more than it is worth.}
17 Sep 2010 19:29:45
{ed's note - and that is the point exactly, we have already spent enough to be competitive without needing a sugar daddy. You are still not getting it, we do not need any more than what we have to be competitive, we just need to manage it properly.}
No we did n't , we either buy the < 10m players that are huge risk, or those players that we can afford in installments and no body else want (ie Aqua), Our only decent buys were Torres and Masch and both over or ~ 20m , Alonso was a risk and he became accomplish player with us. As I posted a couple of days ago, Rafa was not given the money everyone keep harping on about, he had to buy in bits , left overs.
We need a lot more than we have to be competative , have you not seen the Birmingham game? and Sorry our Kids (youth) need a couple more years to maybe become decent.
Roy {ed's note - our kids need games to make it, not more players. I am sorry but Rafa was given enough money to win the league, he chose to waste it on lots of squad players instead of buying first teamers. 18m for a right back who can't defend, 18m for a midfielder that can barely kick a ball without needing a month to recover, 18m for a midfielder that can't pass more than 5 yards and then only sideways. Those are not cheap risk buys, and I am sorry but spending less than 10m should not be a big risk. We do not need a lot more to be competitive, we need confidence, that was shattered by last season and that is our main problem now. Look at how Ngog gained so much after scoring the penalty, that is what we are missing, and what we missed against Birmingham.}
17 Sep 2010 19:12:48
Sharkey, Ed and Co:
About the Sugar Daddy,
Sharkey called jealousy , I call it survival.
As a liverpool supporter I want us to win the PL, CL and everything else, now I understand all the money in the world may not buy us these trophies , but will sure make us more competitive for them.
Our squad at the moment is in desperate need of an overhaul, we need 5 to 6 good players , the kind of players in today's market that are valued between 20 to 30 million, so a simple maths tells me we need someone to come and spend over 150m , and this money need to be spent this year , wait a year or 2 then the number of players that need replacing will be more and the money needed will be a lot more.
Our ed posted earlier that Chelsea (and I will add united) did n't spend much the last 2 years, yes I agree , but that's because they spent massive amounts the years before that, Chelsea already have 11 players that can come in into any first team in england and europe, united have at least 7. we have (if we honest 3 at best in Riena, Gerrard and Torres - and the less said about him the better)
Our ed also posted "Liverpool as a club are extremely rich, they do not need someone else to provide funds" , although I think I understand what you mean, I find it laughable considering the current situation, we are not rich any more , and getting poorer in all aspects, every year our global support is in decline and the value of LFC the brand is decreasing.
Having supported my team for 30 years, I find it difficult to accept mid table, and the reality of it, if we do not get someone with deep pockets, we will end up there and slipping, City already showing signs of top 3, this would n't have happened if they did n't spend the way they did.
Its not jealousy Sharkey, looking at other clubs and their spending (including sunderland / stoke / Birmingham), if we do not keep up, we will end up below them.
Roy {ed's note - I would rather slip below them than become a Chelsea or Man City. I have no idea why you think we need so many players anyway, I believe one player could transform our team. Just one striker would put us up amongst the challengers in my opinion, I don't understand where you get 5 or 6 from at all. All we need is someone who can play alongside or instead of Torres. Once the players settle in to Roy's methods and get used to playing together, added to increased confidence, then we will be a much better side.}
17 Sep 2010 19:12:24
17 Sep 2010 16:49:46
{ed's note - like all EPL clubs we have picked up a bunch of glory seekers who fail to understand the history and culture of the club and city of Liverpool. Shankly built us as a club using his principles of Socialism, he would never have condoned the idea of spending beyond the club's means.}
Topic of the day - What is socialism? Surely if someone wants to buy the club, build a new stadium and develop the area around the ground probably creating jobs and bringing other investment into Liverpool, that surely can only be good thing. This should have been done at least 10 years ago. I wonder which 'ism' stopped this happening?
Looking backism?
I'm all right jackism? {ed's note - it was Moores that stopped it happening, so more like 'sit on my fat, greedy backside while raking in the cash for doing nothingism'.}
17 Sep 2010 18:55:39
Look on the bright side we could have Sam Alladyce as manager! Get behind Hodgson and the team.
17 Sep 2010 18:48:53
After spending the last god knows how long on the last post got to say im split i agree with the fact you don't need to spend big to get quality players playing as a team joe cole is a prime case cost nothing adam johnson at man city will be a great player and cost city 6million was it.
but these players come along very rarely and liverpool need at a minimum 5 quality players and this will cost us 100 million . {ed's note - why do we need to buy them? Why not coach the young players through we have at the club? Even if only 1 of the weak slots is filled by the youngsters, that still means you have better youth to sell to raise the cash from within without outside investment.}
17 Sep 2010 18:41:02
{Editor's Note: We'll have to see if you get your way then. Maybe the sugar daddies are queuing up out there. The Manchester City owners have already spent more than the club is worth - so if they were to put it up for sale now they would not get their money back.}
So what is the City owners & Romans strategy Ed. After all these guys are first & foremost business men & I've never known any of those just to throw money at something in the hope of getting a return. I just don't get it & I don't beleive they are in it for the fun. Do they really think they can make these clubs the biggest in the world before selling up?
The Irish Rover {ed's note - it is just a toy to them, in the main. They want the biggest and best toy, hence why Roman had to get the biggest yacht around, rather than just getting a nice one. These kind of people have so much money these clubs are their equivalent of buying a games console and a new player is like buying a new game for it.}
17 Sep 2010 18:36:51
ED why do so many posters think Socialism is a dirty word? Shankly took a LFC that was a spent force and built it up through hard work. Shanks and Paisley even cleaned the toilets of Anfield because they wanted their people to have good clean facilities.
Shankly was in love with Liverpool and the KOP because of the sense of community and the fact Scousers were honest working class people.
Shankly gave birth to LFCs modern era through principles of hard work and Socialism and the city has stood mostly united against the destruction wrought by Thatcher against the evil of the Sun and the people of Liverpool have always regected the Torries. Liverpool fans stand united for Justice for the 96 in a way other clubs wouldnt. All that passion and principle is based in a collective and largely working class identity and I hate the way people think one mega rich owner equals instant success.
I know loads of people will react saying class politics is outdated etc HOW WRONG HOW VERY WRONG THEY ARE.
Liverpool stand to lose alot if we become another crap brand or franchise.
I would like a club with low debt and yes a new stadium but even if we won the EPL and that was as a result of MEGA SPENDING then I couldnt rejoice because that is the death of the game.
17 Sep 2010 18:31:54
. {ed's note - you still make no sense, Chelsea have a more valuable squad because they have better players, yet they have spent less than Spurs in recent years. Spurs have always suffered because they have always bought big rather than wisely. You seem to think we need to spend big, it makes no sense, there is no need to go out and buy big, we just need to strengthen. Great teams do not necessarily have great players, they have great team players. Dalglish was not as good as Best was as a player, but he won far more because he was a better team player. Buy a team of great players and they will be mid table at best, every great team has a mix of players, you are looking to have a team of greats, it just doesn't work, again I say look at Real Madrid. I would rather we were in the lower leagues than became like Chelsea or City.}
No Ed, it's you that makes no sense. Look, why do you think Chealsea have better players? SIMPLE because when Abramovich came in he spent hundreds of millions on buying them that's why they have not needed to spend big in recent years because they ALREADY have done, and AGAIN you make out i want us to spend unwisely, WHY WOULD I WANT THAT! I believe because of Abramovich and Monsour that football is different now than when Dalglish and Best was playing, now you need two squads of great players to compete in all competitions yes we just need to strengthen, but what do you think this will cost? Let's say we need five top players, in today's market because of the spending power of Man C and Chealsea you could need 100 million minimum but how do we do this if all the people are against someone spending big money? And i'm sorry but if you would rather us be in the lower leagues than see us be like Chealsea, i don't think you would find many Lverpool fans that would agree with you!
{Editor's Note: You are continuing to miss the point. Rafa spent a lot of money - it didn't work.}
Sory Ed. But i agree with this guy that your not getting point!
let me explain something to you.
the only reason we are not top of the pile is due to our previous success.
Because when we were regarded as the best team in the country and due to a new era and the new media attention our players got, they were more interested in their ego's and image. . the world welcomed the birth of the "spice boys". . and while these boys were partying, Manure were taking over. . and at the same time Serious money came flooding into the league! But once our boys started trying to play not only did Manure have a great group of young players coming through becks, giggs etc. but BECAUSE OF THE MONEY they could buy 20-30million pound players every season (meaning the best players of the world) while using Chelsea's first signing Kenyon (the same reason he was chelsea's first signing) to use his media contacts to unsettle great domestics players from their clubs into the fold while increasing their marketability and therefore money into the club. . the result. . Alex Ferguson rated as one of the best managers of all time. yet anyone within the game although respects his achievements knows that it was just down to amazingly good timing as any manager would of succeeded in that environment. ! even though he did not spend wisely. veron-28mil). ferdinand-30mil(never was or became a 30mil defender. rooney-28mil(only last year or so has justified his price tag after years of media hype). berbetov-31mil. . Anderson-18mil. . Liverpool have only once spent this sort of money on a player Torres (well aqua man too but they never gave him a chance and will make a profit on his sale)
Yet Manure have dominated because of that money. . and who challenged them of late. . well CHavski. . and how? were they a newly founded team? NO they were heavily invested in squad spend over 100mill for a few seasons and raping europe of all the brightest young talents with MONEY! by throwing money at them and their parents. .
Arsenal are different to this and are a one in a million and your'll never see it again in our lifetimes. . but people don't realise (and the media help hide this to encourage people like the ed's misguided romantic notions that moneys doesn't buy titles) that arsenal DO spend big. . but rather than big established players. they invest heavily in youth. not to manure and chavski standards but not far off when its all added up. 10-15 1-5 mil pound players does add up
You may say look at Real Madrid but there's a big deference there although they buy there galatico's. . . they could never spend big on defensive players hence there problems. . (mind you something that's now been rectified and will change there fortunes
You may all say Rafa spent big. well compared to bolton they did. so ended above them in the league. . compared to the arsenal, chelsea, man u, totenham, man city we spent less. and guess what. . we ended below them. plus having more money has a bigger affect than just buying world stars it also stops your rivals from buying the players they want. . Rafa never managed to buy a decent winger. even though people like the ed say they never wanted one. the truth was he did. and his team tatics relied on it. but ever time we were interested. rafa would be frustrated as manure. but mainly chavski lodged a higher bid only to pull out at the last minute. plus unlike the chelsea's and manures of the world. rafa wouldn't let clubs hold him to ransom on the price. .
So simple put. . without money to match. . we'll never have a chance to compete. .
HISTORY speaks for itself. . Its been there in league tables for the past 15 odd years for you to look at. . . money talks. .
just like it will with man city
Our only chance of changing that (which he would of if it had not been for parry stopping us getting david villa, walcott and bale for far less than there worth now) has left the building with his 6 mil pay of to keep quiet about the asset stripping to come. .
InHisShadow
17 Sep 2010 18:30:36
17 Sep 2010 17:51:00
This ed on Friday afternoons seems to live in the past. We need stability and that means we need to get rid of H&G. Only a rich person or persons can buy the debt.
Well i prefere this ED much more, i've been arguing with the other ED all day, signing out now i'm worn out!
YNWA
Yes we should all calm down and relax. Its friday have, go have a large drink and think of 1977, 78, 81, 84 and 2005. We all really want the same thing.
17 Sep 2010 18:26:21
This Hicks story is just paper talk to derail Liverpool once more by the Manutd and London club supporting media and press They want create more instability at Liverpool just days before the biggest clash English football. There was post the other day on Rumours/ Banter saying this kind of story would break on friday to disrupt our preparations. It sells papers because its Liverpool and we go along and buy it. H&G will be gone in a few weeks. Good riddance!
17 Sep 2010 18:14:15
Re:
Why should we care? All Liverpool fans love this club and want success, there's nothing wrong with that, and what is so great about achieving success slowly? The ball park has changed now thanks to Chealsea and Man City and to compete we need big money, that's just the way it is, look at Villa, Everton, Tottenham they've been trying for years without heavy investment but what have they achieved compared to Chealsea! This is reality!
We should care because with new UEFA regulations it will increasingly become more important for clubs to work within their financial constraints.Liverpools biggest problem in earning money has been and will be the size of Anfield. I for one would hope to see any new owners concentrate on building a new stadium First as a matter of urgency. These little kids on here wanting stupid money spent on players do not seem to see beyond their bum flufffed chins. They also seem to forget Man City "inherited" their new stadium so any buyers were exempt from having to address the problem of building a new one. Having a new stadium and proper owners will allow Liverpool to compete financially with any club without paying stupid money for players who may only be interested in their weekly wage as oppossed to what they might win.
17 Sep 2010 18:06:16
Editor's Note: I think you may well be surprised just how much Sharkey knows.}
You might be surprised how much i know!
Editor's Note: So presumably you now understand that it is the income of the club and all other considerations that apply - not simply player sales. That income includes all sponsorship, gate receipts and more - as was said "turnover".}
I NEVER repeat NEVER said i did not understand this, Again why do you keep saying what i believe? Do you honestly think i did not know that turnover includes sponsorship and gate receipts? I am the managing director of two companies one of them is very successful, so i have a very good understanding of buisness, but you do not have to reinvest your profits if you already have the money gained through player sales and if this money is added to profits it then increases your buying power hence you can compete with Man City and Chealsea, surely you and Sharkey can understand this, SURELY
Anyway, i'm of out i spent far too long arguing with you two, it's been fun though.
YNWA
17 Sep 2010 18:03:30
17 Sep 2010 17:01:04
17 Sep 2010 16:42:44
Pity that some eds seem to disrespect the legitimate views of some contributors. {ed's note - what, giving a different viewpoint is disrespecting someone else's view these days is it? You never heard of a debate?}
SAME AS LAST FRIDAY REF SHEIKH MOHAMMED GOODBYE TIL OCTOBER 6!
Absolutely for some reason friday afternoon it all becomes a bit aggressive from the ed side towards contributors. Sorry me too -see you 6 October.
17 Sep 2010 17:59:11
What liverpool need right now is its fans to get behind the team and give them a boost.I also believe we need new ownership who are prepared to invest in the club to strengthen the squad. The most important thing in my opinion though is that the new stadium gets built, this would help put us on a more even footing with the likes of man ure chelsea arsenal and city
17 Sep 2010 17:54:45
Hicks' latest offering to the press of buying out Gillett is just the last throw of the dice of a desperate man who can see the sharks circling around his stricken boat. He is trying to provoke one of the parties on the sidelines to make a move before 6th October, so that he can clear some profit from his time in charge - otherwise he leaves with nothing.
Trust me, there is no bank that will touch him with a barge pole. *YNWA*
17 Sep 2010 17:51:00
This ed on Friday afternoons seems to live in the past. We need stability and that means we need to get rid of H&G. Only a rich person or persons can buy the debt.
Well i prefere this ED much more, i've been arguing with the other ED all day, signing out now i'm worn out!
YNWA
17 Sep 2010 17:49:15
No - read the rules - it is not based on player sales at all.
I did and player sales count as income into the club!
{Editor's Note: So presumably you now understand that it is the income of the club and all other considerations that apply - not simply player sales. That income includes all sponsorship, gate receipts and more - as was said "turnover".}
This is completely irrelevant because you are not willing to read the rules. The position you are defending is simply wrong.
I am not willing to argue with you anymore, i fear you do not have the interlect to debate with, i have read your posts before and all you say if someone does not agree with you is ''you are wrong'' with no tangable argument what so ever. Well Sharkey i do know the rules, i believe i know them a lot better than you do and who ever buys our great club will surely know the rules as well so your lack of knowledge does not worry me, please if you find time tonight research all i have said and you will see i am right, If we do not spend in January we will be left behind, i pray this doesn't happen as all i want is the best thing for this club, and your outdated ideology is not it.
I'm signing out now so i won't be reading your reply but with your limited football knowledge and your failure to defend your argument in a constructive manner (''you'er wrong'' just doesn't cut it) then let's face it what's the point so we will just have to agree to disagree
{Editor's Note: I think you may well be surprised just how much Sharkey knows.}
17 Sep 2010 17:34:00
17 Sep 2010 17:19:35
BUT HE DID NOT BUY ENOUGH OF THE RIGHT PLAYERS - NOT ENOUGH ALONSOS AND TOO MANY DOSSENAS. {ed's note - and that is the point exactly, we have already spent enough to be competitive without needing a sugar daddy. You are still not getting it, we do not need any more than what we have to be competitive, we just need to manage it properly.}
So we can be competative with our current squad as long as it's managed properly?
{ed's note - because that is a sugar daddy. If the club is run properly it earns enough to be competitive, especially with a new stadium.}
But you keep saying you don't want a sugar daddy! So you want us to improve the squad, build a new stadium pay of our debts all on the clubs profits!
This ed on Friday afternoons seems to live in the past. We need stability and that means we need to get rid of H&G. Only a rich person or persons can buy the debt.
{Editor's Note: There appear to be at least three Eds here this afternoon.}
17 Sep 2010 17:30:51
U should change the name of anfield stadium to anfield museum. i thnk if the yank out, u still need 10 years to rebuilding ur historical club.
Mr.E
17 Sep 2010 17:29:51
17 Sep 2010 17:17:08
I am not sure but I thin Martin broughton did say that the new owner will be some1 who can take club forward and build a new stadium. I do believe the owner will b sm1 else. Who is more stable and who can take the club forward. If that's the case they would have sold the club to sm1 else b4. Have faith guys.
That man is Steffan Persson.
17 Sep 2010 17:27:39
17 Sep 2010 16:49:46
{ed's note - like all EPL clubs we have picked up a bunch of glory seekers who fail to understand the history and culture of the club and city of Liverpool. Shankly built us as a club using his principles of Socialism, he would never have condoned the idea of spending beyond the club's means.}
Topic of the day - What is socialism? Surely if someone wants to buy the club, build a new stadium and develop the area around the ground probably creating jobs and bringing other investment into Liverpool, that surely can only be good thing. This should have been done at least 10 years ago. I wonder which 'ism' stopped this happening?
Were Liverpool fans bothered about socialism when we broke British transfer records to buy Kenny dalglish from Celtic for £400k in summer 1977 and Peter Beardsley from Newcastle for £1.9m in summer 1987? Did Liverpool fans bother about the social affects of these actions on Glasgow and Newcastle? I don't think so!
Liverpool fans are only interested in the ongoing success of this club.
17 Sep 2010 17:25:38
YNWA said at 17 Sep 2010 17:07:20:
"NO this is not rubbish, ok Man City have over done it i can't disagree with that, but if the wages are kept to acceptable levels then like the article says '' if Milner is later sold, the fee received counts as money coming into the club and helps increase the size of the budget'' this means that the money from a player sale counts as profit, their is more money in the squad to make us more competative in the future."
Please go and read the rules and not some incorrect article. You are way off base with your understanding. You need to understand the rules are based on the turnover of the club - not sales of players plus a whole load of other considerations (45M euro three year float, three year window, exclusion of youth enhancement and infrastructure costs etc.).
"And PLEASE stop saying about Chealsea not buying anymore, they don't have to because they ALREADY DID!"
This is completely irrelevant because you are not willing to read the rules. The position you are defending is simply wrong.
"And ED don't use bad examples like VDV to support your theories, i could use Milner, Villa, Alonso, Ranaldo etc to support mine, the simple fact is money spent now is money that can be recouped in the future to reinvest in new players when clubs with less valuable squads cannot, this is a simple fact"
No - read the rules - it is not based on player sales at all.
Sharkey.
17 Sep 2010 17:19:35
BUT HE DID NOT BUY ENOUGH OF THE RIGHT PLAYERS - NOT ENOUGH ALONSOS AND TOO MANY DOSSENAS. {ed's note - and that is the point exactly, we have already spent enough to be competitive without needing a sugar daddy. You are still not getting it, we do not need any more than what we have to be competitive, we just need to manage it properly.}
So we can be competative with our current squad as long as it's managed properly?
{ed's note - because that is a sugar daddy. If the club is run properly it earns enough to be competitive, especially with a new stadium.}
But you keep saying you don't want a sugar daddy! So you want us to improve the squad, build a new stadium pay of our debts all on the clubs profits!
17 Sep 2010 17:17:41
Im hearing news the board have worked very hard on blocking hicks latest attemps,
and seem to have suceeded in the blocking.
gillett wants to sell.
hicks is the problem won't sell up to intrerested party.
17 Sep 2010 17:17:08
I am not sure but I thin Martin broughton did say that the new owner will be some1 who can take club forward and build a new stadium. I do believe the owner will b sm1 else. Who is more stable and who can take the club forward. If that's the case they would have sold the club to sm1 else b4. Have faith guys.
17 Sep 2010 17:15:23
I am noit worried about the incorrect transfer window or what you call me. But you need to go and read the rules and understand them. They are way more complex but not as restrictive as you see them.
Sharkey.
But i know the rules, it's you that doesn't, or does not fully understand them!
The regulations are not based upon a club only being able to spend what they have gained in income from sales
Nobody said it was?? ?? ? ?
17 Sep 2010 17:07:20
If City choose this option, some of Milner's transfer money will eventually be part of UEFA's calculation of City's budget; but put wholly into this year's accounts will fall outside UEFA's remit. Then, if Milner is later sold, the fee received counts as money coming into the club and helps increase the size of the budget. City's owners, unlike most rivals, actually have the capital to do this. They may not be as silly as they look.
YNWA {ed's note - load of rubbish, nothing in there is taking into account the fact that wages comes into it. It is a pointless article you have quoted with very little real relevance. Have you not realised why Chelsea are shedding players rather than buying them? After all they have a sugar daddy who is not afraid to spend, why is he not buying up a load of players now? Because it doesn't work like that! The club has to be profitable, and that includes keeping the wages below acceptable levels. You think just selling players will bring in shedloads of money? Again it doesn't work like that, buying clubs know you need to sell and so they pay you less - just ask yourself why VDV went for just £8m.}
NO this is not rubbish, ok Man City have over done it i can't disagree with that, but if the wages are kept to acceptable levels then like the article says '' if Milner is later sold, the fee received counts as money coming into the club and helps increase the size of the budget'' this means that the money from a player sale counts as profit, their is more money in the squad to make us more competative in the future. And PLEASE stop saying about Chealsea not buying anymore, they don't have to because they ALREADY DID! And ED don't use bad examples like VDV to support your theories, i could use Milner, Villa, Alonso, Ranaldo etc to support mine, the simple fact is money spent now is money that can be recouped in the future to reinvest in new players when clubs with less valuable squads cannot, this is a simple fact
17 Sep 2010 17:05:00
The trouble with the rumours page is whether people are clicking believable or unbelievable for the contributors post or the editors opinion or comments at the bottom!
17 Sep 2010 17:04:42
I just want the yanks out im sick of them !
give me someone who knows what we stand for even if he can't buy the best players ,
h&g are killing our club and the fun i get from watching our team play .
just get out will ye !
17 Sep 2010 17:00:58
YNWA wrote at 17 Sep 2010 16:39:27:
"Sharky and ED, you say i don't understand the rules well then please read below especialy the second to last paragraph and you will see what i mean trust me i KNOW what i'm talking about"
OK, I'll give it a shot.
"The next window, in January, is the last that will not feel the impact of the financial regulations imposed by Michel Platini, the UEFA president. By the time of the following financial year, April 2011 to April 2012, clubs must start to reduce losses and while there are four more seasons before the regulations properly take hold, the rules are complex and incorporate retrospective calculation."
Fine – this is as I explained to you - in broad terms.
"In simple terms ………… little guy to get ahead.
Sharky, you say i don't understand the rules well then please read the above and you will see what i mean trust me i KNOW what i'm talking about"
If you wrote the article then I am afraid you really don't understand. The regulations are not based upon a club only being able to spend what they have gained in income from sales. You need to read the rules, not erroneous articles written by others.
"I admit i got the transfer window wrong i thought we also had next summer, and i am sorry i called you stupid it was hard to explain what i meant but i found that this explains it very well, and i'm not angry just completely fed up with all the abuse i have to take from Manc and Everton fans, but my big fear is if we don't spend big now and we have to rely on our income we can never catch up, the new rules will widen the gap from the top four even more i just want to make sure we are in that top four and have the ability to compete before it's to late"
I am noit worried about the incorrect transfer window or what you call me. But you need to go and read the rules and understand them. They are way more complex but not as restrictive as you see them.
Sharkey.
17 Sep 2010 16:55:50
17 Sep 2010 16:45:01
Remember one thing - If we never win anything again, we will always be the greatest club no matter what. The Yanks have been a disaster inflicted upon us by Parry and Moores, but we still soldier on while Man City , Spurs, try and catch us up. It will never happen. Even with a new buyer it doesn't guarantee
success. The problems are manly on the pitch with moody, lazy no marks, who wear our shirt with no pride or passion. There are better players in the Sunday League on any pitch on Merseyside.
It's going to take time, but we can wait.
Let them mock, we can take it - what goes round comes round. We will be back.
Don't forget our demise financially, was self inflicted.
IT WASN'T INFLICTED BY US, BUT MOORES, PARRY AND JR EWING AND CLIFF BARNES.
17 Sep 2010 16:54:00
17 Sep 2010 16:01:31
. {ed's note - you still make no sense, Chelsea have a more valuable squad because they have better players, yet they have spent less than Spurs in recent years. Spurs have always suffered because they have always bought big rather than wisely. You seem to think we need to spend big, it makes no sense, there is no need to go out and buy big, we just need to strengthen. Great teams do not necessarily have great players, they have great team players. Dalglish was not as good as Best was as a player, but he won far more because he was a better team player. Buy a team of great players and they will be mid table at best, every great team has a mix of players, you are looking to have a team of greats, it just doesn't work, again I say look at Real Madrid. I would rather we were in the lower leagues than became like Chelsea or City.}
No Ed, it's you that makes no sense. Look, why do you think Chealsea have better players? SIMPLE because when Abramovich came in he spent hundreds of millions on buying them that's why they have not needed to spend big in recent years because they ALREADY have done, and AGAIN you make out i want us to spend unwisely, WHY WOULD I WANT THAT! I believe because of Abramovich and Monsour that football is different now than when Dalglish and Best was playing, now you need two squads of great players to compete in all competitions yes we just need to strengthen, but what do you think this will cost? Let's say we need five top players, in today's market because of the spending power of Man C and Chealsea you could need 100 million minimum but how do we do this if all the people are against someone spending big money? And i'm sorry but if you would rather us be in the lower leagues than see us be like Chealsea, i don't think you would find many Lverpool fans that would agree with you!
{Editor's Note: You are continuing to miss the point. Rafa spent a lot of money - it didn't work.}
BUT HE DID NOT BUY ENOUGH OF THE RIGHT PLAYERS - NOT ENOUGH ALONSOS AND TOO MANY DOSSENAS. {ed's note - and that is the point exactly, we have already spent enough to be competitive without needing a sugar daddy. You are still not getting it, we do not need any more than what we have to be competitive, we just need to manage it properly.}
17 Sep 2010 16:53:16
{Editor's Note: We'll have to see if you get your way then. Maybe the sugar daddies are queuing up out there. The Manchester City owners have already spent more than the club is worth - so if they were to put it up for sale now they would not get their money back.}
Why when people say that they want a lot of money spent on the squad do people think that means a Monsour type owner, a sugar daddy? I like most would like very respectible owners that kept themselves in the back ground and run Liverpool in a professional manner, i would like someone that had enough financial clout to build the new stadium and to run our club debt free, BUT, i would also like someone that is willing to invest in the squad, and this does not mean recklessly but enough to make us competative with the top clubs {ed's note - because that is a sugar daddy. If the club is run properly it earns enough to be competitive, especially with a new stadium.}
17 Sep 2010 16:45:01
Remember one thing - If we never win anything again, we will always be the greatest club no matter what. The Yanks have been a disaster inflicted upon us by Parry and Moores, but we still soldier on while Man City , Spurs, try and catch us up. It will never happen. Even with a new buyer it doesn't guarantee
success. The problems are manly on the pitch with moody, lazy no marks, who wear our shirt with no pride or passion. There are better players in the Sunday League on any pitch on Merseyside.
It's going to take time, but we can wait.
Let them mock, we can take it - what goes round comes round. We will be back.
Don't forget our demise financially, was self inflicted.
17 Sep 2010 16:42:44
Pity that some eds seem to disrespect the legitimate views of some contributors. {ed's note - what, giving a different viewpoint is disrespecting someone else's view these days is it? You never heard of a debate?}
17 Sep 2010 16:39:27
Sharky and ED, you say i don't understand the rules well then please read below especialy the second to last paragraph and you will see what i mean trust me i KNOW what i'm talking about
The next window, in January, is the last that will not feel the impact of the financial regulations imposed by Michel Platini, the UEFA president. By the time of the following financial year, April 2011 to April 2012, clubs must start to reduce losses and while there are four more seasons before the regulations properly take hold, the rules are complex and incorporate retrospective calculation.
In simple terms, after this year, all transfers will contribute in some way to UEFA's reckoning. City may not be getting the greatest value for money right now, but if there is an element of Supermarket Sweep about their behaviour, that is because Platini's legislation makes it now or never for big spenders.
So, of course, the policy appears irrational. City have paid as much for James Milner, who had an erratic World Cup, as Real Madrid did combined for Mesut Ozil and Sami Khedira of Germany, two of the revelations of the tournament.
David Silva, who could not make the Spanish team, has come in at a price not far behind David Villa, arguably the most talented striker in the world. Yaya Toure cost £24million, at a time when Inter Milan have balked at paying a similar price for a better holding midfield player - the captain of Argentina, Javier Mascherano of Liverpool.
Manchester City's total transfer bill since Sheik Mansour's arrival is over £350m, but why the surprise? The moment Platini made his flawed theories a reality, there was always going to be a reckless, lastminute scramble. By spending now, City no doubt hope to buck the system, assembling a powerful squad and achieving success before it becomes almost impossible for the little guy to get ahead.
Sharky, you say i don't understand the rules well then please read the above and you will see what i mean trust me i KNOW what i'm talking about
Depending on how City manage the accounts, there could be an even greater advantage. Transfer expenditure is listed in one of two ways: as an outgoing lump sum, or with the fee spread over the years of the contract. So payment for Milner could be shown as £24m now or, for instance, £4.8m over five years, a process known as amortisation.
If City choose this option, some of Milner's transfer money will eventually be part of UEFA's calculation of City's budget; but put wholly into this year's accounts will fall outside UEFA's remit. Then, if Milner is later sold, the fee received counts as money coming into the club and helps increase the size of the budget. City's owners, unlike most rivals, actually have the capital to do this. They may not be as silly as they look.
I admit i got the transfer window wrong i thought we also had next summer, and i am sorry i called you stupid it was hard to explain what i meant but i found that this explains it very well, and i'm not angry just completely fed up with all the abuse i have to take from Manc and Everton fans, but my big fear is if we don't spend big now and we have to rely on our income we can never catch up, the new rules will widen the gap from the top four even more i just want to make sure we are in that top four and have the ability to compete before it's to late
YNWA {ed's note - load of rubbish, nothing in there is taking into account the fact that wages comes into it. It is a pointless article you have quoted with very little real relevance. Have you not realised why Chelsea are shedding players rather than buying them? After all they have a sugar daddy who is not afraid to spend, why is he not buying up a load of players now? Because it doesn't work like that! The club has to be profitable, and that includes keeping the wages below acceptable levels. You think just selling players will bring in shedloads of money? Again it doesn't work like that, buying clubs know you need to sell and so they pay you less - just ask yourself why VDV went for just £8m.}
17 Sep 2010 16:30:17
To the person who posted this
Just heard about H&G if it happens im off to MAN CITY at least they have owners who care about the club & they will win things this year we wont.
Just go now any fan that can come up with this crap is no Red
17 Sep 2010 16:28:57
Just heard about H&G if it happens im off to MAN CITY at least they have owners who care about the club & they will win things this year we won't well lfc does not want people like u supporting our club u glory hunter , well u have got a choice manure, man s* tty, chelsea or maybe spurs ynwa
17 Sep 2010 16:09:51
17 Sep 2010 15:26:28
Just heard about H&G if it happens im off to MAN CITY at least they have owners who care about the club & they will win things this year we wont.
Dont Let Us Keep Ya, You Can Go Now, Turn Coat.
Gavlar
17 Sep 2010 16:07:31
TO the ed . on rumour or banter page , why don't u have a reply button so we don't have 2 keep copying and pasting , thanks great site ynwa
{Editor's Note: It takes you less time to cut and paste than it does for us to review the posts. Thanks for the kind words.}
17 Sep 2010 16:07:01
17 Sep 2010 13:58:41
Just heard about H&G if it happens im off to MAN CITY at least they have owners who care about the club & they will win things this year we wont.
Please go to MAN CITY anyway, with a comment like that you are not a red.
Once a red always red NO MATTER what.
YNWA
17 Sep 2010 16:04:53
Sheik mohammed come and rescu us from from these 2 chaps. YNWA 4EVER .I 4 1 WOULD NOT TURN MY BACK ON LFC AS I HAVE SURPPORTED THEM 4 30 YEARS NOW LFC TILL I DIE AND BEYOND
{Editor's not: Probably "not beyond".}
17 Sep 2010 15:59:52
According to SOS the club advised yesterday that they would be showing prospective buyers around Anfield last night (note it was buyers not buyer). I was there and saw some very rich looking people walking through the main stand car park before the game.
So stop believing the rubbish in the media and wait for the club to tell us what is happening is my advice.
{Editor's Note: What do very rich people look like?}
17 Sep 2010 15:57:20
Bbc have just reported on their website that there is a strong possability that hicks will manage to get full control of the club.i think this could be the begining of the end of our beloved club.
17 Sep 2010 15:47:39
There has been some debate between those who favour the 'rich sugar daddy' school of ownership and the others who prefer a 'sensible long term' owner, as if the two are somehow mutually exclusive.
Does anyone think that City's owners are not 'sensible', or that they arent there for as long a term as most other prem owners?
Mega rich owners are not all villains or unsuitable, surely. ALL prem owners will want a long term business model that sees their club with top quality players and still in profit. Even City's owners will have their eye on building a long-term global reputation and fan base like Liverpool's, aided by continued success. If they don't get the success and increased revenue after a given time, the owners will probably just trim back the squad costs to match their revenue.
All that a big owner means really is that the club has more time and resources to gain the success expected, before the owners are forced to start asking for a return or profit and get back onto a more stable operating basis, as Chelski have been doing for some time, and as City will too.
Less wealthy owners just means less financial clout for less time, tighter budgets, less chance to get hold of those few key world class players when there is a chance, etc.
The fact that a given owner is poorer than another is not a virtue in itself, and I'm not sure what advantages a poorer owner really brings. Its not about how rich they are, its about how good an owner they are.
Randy Lerner is happy to finance his team to a level that keeps them mid-table, I think he even said something along those lines. Abramovich wasnt happy unless his team were at the top, which calls for a whole different approach to the financing.
Do you think Shankly would have shunned the chance to make some more really big world class buys in his ruthless struggle to make LFC the greatest club in the world? He would have played a marquee name over a promising recerves youngster every game of the season, if they were a better player and they gave their all. Above all, that seemed to be his objective- success. I think the real differences between fans is not about how much we spend or who we play- fundamentally, its about what kind of club we want LFC to be and what price we will pay for success, and we all have our own vision of that.
17 Sep 2010 15:42:36
YNWA {ed's note - not at all - Chelsea are proving that cutting back on spending wins things. They have made huge cutbacks to their wage bill this season, yet they look better than last season. I don't understand your thinking at all, they won under Jose because of the force of his personality not because of the spending. Otherwise Ranieri would have cleaned up and so would Scolari. Good management is the number one priority, without that it doesn't matter how much is spent - ask Real Madrid.}
OH, so they are only a great team now because they have cut back on spending? Nothing at all to do with the vast amount of money spent? I don't understand your thinking either. Also they stopped winng under Mourinho that's why he went and the next two managers was not given enough time to develope thier own style of play, I have NEVER said that it doesn't take good managment and time to build a great team NEVER, but it is not the number one priority if it was then a great manager could therefore make any team a great time which of curse is rediculous, it's takes a great manager, a lot of time, and unfortunately in todays world alot of money!
YNWA {ed's note - you are not reading what I am saying at all. I was pointing out that Chelsea are no longer big spending so your logic is nonsense. Money should come from within, not from a sugar daddy, Liverpool as a club are extremely rich, they do not need someone else to provide funds.}
17 Sep 2010 15:37:01
Five positive points to pick up on 1. . . The five man board will vote in favour of the stability of the club. 2. . . The so called refinancing won't happen under the condition of the last refinance the owners made. 3. . . All interested parties signed a confidential agreement according to barcap 5 possible parties.4. . . Torres and gerrard and other big name players stayed on the condition the club would be sold, ie move forward and compete with the best.5. . . The young talent coming through i believe in reserves and youth academy will be very succsesfull at our club.
17 Sep 2010 15:34:20
Unsigned said at 17 Sep 2010 15:14:52:
"{ed's note - not all of us Sharkey, some of us would hate to see a rich sugar daddy, some of us remember what happened to Blackburn when Jack Walker died. Some of us remember how Chelsea were on the verge of extinction when Roman rescued them, simply because of the death of Matthew Harding and the loss of him pumping money in. We need a well run and managed club that spends within its means, we don't need to rush out now and spend millions on players with huge wages. We would then have a huge wage bill stopping us from spending money in the future.}
I agree with this - 'we don't need to rush out now and spend millions on players with huge wages' (the mercenary footballer/ carlos kickaballs). But we are in a this financial situation because of the H&G leveraged buyout. We need the best possible new custodian to clear LFC debts and build the new Anfield, so we can produce enough money to invest in the club and the development of local community area around the new ground.
I think we may have had a little disagreement last friday over the suitability of Sheikh Mohammed as the new owner because of 'issues outside football' . I don't want a 'sugar daddy', but all most Liverpool football fans want is stability, because once stable, this club will effectively run itself. We don't have stability now and the rest of the football world know this and are laughing at us."
I of course never suggested that "all" Liverpool supporters wanted the sugar daddy spending spree. And clearly the Editor who replied and the most recent respondent are not in that category. However, if you go back to my original point and then look at some of the responses, there is clearly considerable support for the free-spending ultra-wealthy sugar daddy to come on board and save the club.
Sharkey. {ed's note - like all EPL clubs we have picked up a bunch of glory seekers who fail to understand the history and culture of the club and city of Liverpool. Shankly built us as a club using his principles of Socialism, he would never have condoned the idea of spending beyond the club's means.}
17 Sep 2010 15:31:07
YNWA {ed's note - we have spent big: Johnson, Aqualani last summer for instance. Buying big doesn't necessarily win you the league or City would have won by miles last season. Your thinking makes no sense, you want us to buy players like Barry, who clearly isn't good enough, just because you want big buys. It is people like you that destroyed Leeds and saw them crumble. You really need to check the spending of Spurs against Chelsea over the last few years, 'Arry has outspent Chelsea since he took over. But I don't see Spurs running away with the league do you? It is not about spending big, but about spending wisely. Rafa's major failing was the constant turnover of players every summer, each summer all those players had to bed in and by the time they did we were miles behind. What is needed is a settled squad that is built on, not dismantled and rebuilt every summer. For the first time in a long time I saw that happen, Roy only targeted the weakest spots in the team to buy players for. Unlike Rafa, who had the strongest central midfield in the world and decided to try and buy Barry to join it.}
I agree i don't like Barry aswell i just couldn't think of all the players Man City just bought, but your wrong about Tottenham, Chealsea's squad is worth FAR more than Tottenham's, compareing what they have spent in the last few years is completely meaningless, by your reckoning if Southport out spent Liverpool the last two seasons then you would expect them to compete with us? It's this thinking that makes no sense? And are you suggesting i want someone to come in and spend unwisely? Why would i want that? Obviously i want someone to spend big but to buy the right players, and why do you also think that by my theory Man City would have won the league last season, please don't say what i believe when it's not what i believe, no matter who is bought it takes time for teams to gel, but better it gels with great players. {ed's note - you still make no sense, Chelsea have a more valuable squad because they have better players, yet they have spent less than Spurs in recent years. Spurs have always suffered because they have always bought big rather than wisely. You seem to think we need to spend big, it makes no sense, there is no need to go out and buy big, we just need to strengthen. Great teams do not necessarily have great players, they have great team players. Dalglish was not as good as Best was as a player, but he won far more because he was a better team player. Buy a team of great players and they will be mid table at best, every great team has a mix of players, you are looking to have a team of greats, it just doesn't work, again I say look at Real Madrid. I would rather we were in the lower leagues than became like Chelsea or City.}
17 Sep 2010 15:14:52
{ed's note - not all of us Sharkey, some of us would hate to see a rich sugar daddy, some of us remember what happened to Blackburn when Jack Walker died. Some of us remember how Chelsea were on the verge of extinction when Roman rescued them, simply because of the death of Matthew Harding and the loss of him pumping money in. We need a well run and managed club that spends within its means, we don't need to rush out now and spend millions on players with huge wages. We would then have a huge wage bill stopping us from spending money in the future.}
I agree with this - 'we don't need to rush out now and spend millions on players with huge wages' (the mercenary footballer/ carlos kickaballs). But we are in a this financial situation because of the H&G leveraged buyout. We need the best possible new custodian to clear LFC debts and build the new Anfield, so we can produce enough money to invest in the club and the development of local community area around the new ground.
I think we may have had a little disagreement last friday over the suitability of Sheikh Mohammed as the new owner because of 'issues outside football' . I don't want a 'sugar daddy', but all most Liverpool football fans want is stability, because once stable, this club will effectively run itself. We don't have stability now and the rest of the football world know this and are laughing at us.
17 Sep 2010 15:13:16
-Just heard about H&G if it happens im off to MAN CITY at least they have owners who care about the club & they will win things this year we wont.-
May I suggest you F* * off now as you are clearly not a Red. I doubt you know the meaning of the word supporter. You are like the Palace and QPR fans who suddenly would up waving Chelsea flags(supplied by the club of course).
You are not welcome at our magnificent club.
17 Sep 2010 15:11:37
Sharkey. {ed's note - not all of us Sharkey, some of us would hate to see a rich sugar daddy, some of us remember what happened to Blackburn when Jack Walker died. Some of us remember how Chelsea were on the verge of extinction when Roman rescued them, simply because of the death of Matthew Harding and the loss of him pumping money in. We need a well run and managed club that spends within its means, we don't need to rush out now and spend millions on players with huge wages. We would then have a huge wage bill stopping us from spending money in the future.}
The trouble is ED Chealsea are proving that big spending works, and works well and unfortunately Man City could well be doing the same, it's easy to point out clubs where it went wrong but you also need to look at clubs where it went right, i personaly would'nt want a Monsour, i would prefere a well managed club that spends within it's means, i just worry that them days are gone and to compete at the VERY top, big money is needed! At the end of the day we all want what's best for Liverpool i just fear that Abramovich and Monsour have changed the ball park far too much!
YNWA {ed's note - not at all - Chelsea are proving that cutting back on spending wins things. They have made huge cutbacks to their wage bill this season, yet they look better than last season. I don't understand your thinking at all, they won under Jose because of the force of his personality not because of the spending. Otherwise Ranieri would have cleaned up and so would Scolari. Good management is the number one priority, without that it doesn't matter how much is spent - ask Real Madrid.}
17 Sep 2010 14:58:12
Two points, again it is clear that the driving factor is jealousy and the need for vast sums of money. Your example of Spurs is poor. Spending by Spurs over recent years has been right up there with Liverpool - and probably more than Chelsea over the last three years. In real terms, Liverpool have spent large sums of money - just not terribly well.
Sharkey.
But why don't you mention the example of Everton or Villa, is it because they don't support your blinkered point of view? And the spending of Spurs is still far less than Chealsea's and look at the vast gulf in the two teams, And please stop talking about jealousy, i want Liverpool to buy BIG, i want us to buy the likes of Bolitelli, Barry, Johnson, Millner, Silva etc, I want Liverpool to win the League, to compete in the Champions league, if that is what you mean by jealousy, then YES? I'm jealous!
YNWA {ed's note - we have spent big: Johnson, Aqualani last summer for instance. Buying big doesn't necessarily win you the league or City would have won by miles last season. Your thinking makes no sense, you want us to buy players like Barry, who clearly isn't good enough, just because you want big buys. It is people like you that destroyed Leeds and saw them crumble. You really need to check the spending of Spurs against Chelsea over the last few years, 'Arry has outspent Chelsea since he took over. But I don't see Spurs running away with the league do you? It is not about spending big, but about spending wisely. Rafa's major failing was the constant turnover of players every summer, each summer all those players had to bed in and by the time they did we were miles behind. What is needed is a settled squad that is built on, not dismantled and rebuilt every summer. For the first time in a long time I saw that happen, Roy only targeted the weakest spots in the team to buy players for. Unlike Rafa, who had the strongest central midfield in the world and decided to try and buy Barry to join it.}
17 Sep 2010 14:55:27
"Would love to see mickey 0 back in jan."
Yeah, on the treatment table.
17 Sep 2010 14:53:58
Sunday's team sheet:
reina, johnno, carra, skrtel, konchy, maxi, lucas, stevie, jova, cole, torres. Subs. to come on: Mereiles for Lucas. Agger for Konchy. Pacheco for Cole/ Maxi.
17 Sep 2010 14:48:38
Unsigned wrote at 17 Sep 2010 14:42:33:
"Sharkey, you seem unable to understand the simple fact of a club being financially hamstrung by the owners' debts. Debts which were the owners responsibility to cover, not the fans' or club's."
I understand perfectly the financial aspects of business and what has happened at Liverpool.
"Do you actually understand the difference between jealousy and frustration?"
Yes I do.
"Why would any Liverpool fan want the club to spend ridiculous sums of money on players who's only motivation is money?"
My point exactly - but this is what many of the fans want. I am suggesting the opposite. Previous posters have said "Why should we care?" and "the fact is the more money spent on players this summer then the more money we will have to spend on players in the future".
I think your fellow supports have a very different view to you.
Sharkey. {ed's note - not all of us Sharkey, some of us would hate to see a rich sugar daddy, some of us remember what happened to Blackburn when Jack Walker died. Some of us remember how Chelsea were on the verge of extinction when Roman rescued them, simply because of the death of Matthew Harding and the loss of him pumping money in. We need a well run and managed club that spends within its means, we don't need to rush out now and spend millions on players with huge wages. We would then have a huge wage bill stopping us from spending money in the future.}
17 Sep 2010 14:47:51
Would love to see mickey 0 back in jan. .
17 Sep 2010 14:45:48
"Hi Ed,
Again i am pretty confident we will have new owners soon, just not sure whether they will have done the deal with the bank direct or the current owners.
Macca
{Editor's Note: All bases covered then?}"
Ed, great to know that you have common sense as well as a good sense of humour. Wish others on here were blessed too.
17 Sep 2010 14:43:35
YNWA said at 17 Sep 2010 13:41:55:
"The trouble is, if i'm right, the next summer transfer season is the last chance any club has to spend big before the new rules come into place, . ."
Next season's finances are the first that could be subject to scrutiny - so in theory the opportunity has passed for the big spending spree. In reality, these rules will be amended and/ or modified and within a few years will be a thing of the past. I would not worry about them at all.
"so if the squads of Man City, Man U, and Chealsea are worth £400-500 million then it will take a VERY long time for Liverpool to be able to compete if all they are allowed to spend is what they earn plus player sales, "
I have no idea how you came up with these figures nor what relevance they have.
So what your saying is a team worth 10 million can be better than a team worth £500 million?
". .the fact is the more money spent on players this summer then the more money we will have to spend on players in the future, . ."
I don't understand the thought process behind this at all. Whatever it is though, it is wrong.
How can it be wrong if you don't even understand it? It's simple, because the money is already in the squad, so if we are only allowed to spend what we sell then there's more money there isn't there. Are you THICK!
". .and the less money we spend now then the less chance we have to compete financialy will the three said clubs in the future."
Again, this makes no sense. Again are you THICK
"A lot of people like to think that Liverpool can do it without big financial investment but with sustained growth but the massive spending power of City and Chealsea make it to difficult to compete . . "
Chelsea have spend "big" twice - and not for some years.
EXACTLY, this is what i am saying you only have to spend big once or twice, then the money is already in the squad before the new rules come into force, look how good they are now compared to us, THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!
". .and i fear it could take many many years to get back to being a top club again if ever, so i don't understand why you say it's sensible to not spend, surely especialy with the new rules coming into force it's sensible to spend and spend big now while we can, i'm not saying i agree with this or not, but Abramovich and Monsour changed football and if you believe we can do it without money, well how do you attract the big players when the three mentioned clubs can paying double the transfer fee and double the wages, like it or not this is just being realistic, now a days it's all about money!"
This conclusion sums it up for me. You really must get a sugar daddy who never expects to get his money back - good responsible ownership. You are jealous of Manchester City, and seemingly Chelsea, and want to go on a spending spree. This was my original point.
YES, and was i jealous last year when Chealsea won the league when we came seventh! Why wasn't you!
And i was jealous this summer when Man City was buying Millner, Silva, Bolitelli, etc and we was buying Poulsen, Konchesky and who ever we could get for free! !
People used to be jealous of Liverpool, unfortunately not anymore and i think people like you would prefer to keep it that way!
17 Sep 2010 14:39:49
Make of this what you will, but I once also saw a foreign-looking dude at Anfield. Quite fat, goatee. . anyone else spot him?
Goes by the name of Rafa Benitez.
17 Sep 2010 14:34:44
I for one am not jealous of Chelsea. If it was not for Chelsea then Man Utd would have past the 18 we have.
Scouse Pride
17 Sep 2010 14:33:05
I never meant to put Babel in it was meant to be Cole but I was having a conversation at the same time.
Scouse Pride
17 Sep 2010 14:12:34
Thanks Ed for your comments. I'm only sorry that my own submission was not in concise en readble English.
17 Sep 2010 14:09:15
Congrats 2 all pool fan coz last nite ur 2nd string beat a 2nd class team in europe 2nd class competition. n im not surprise if this season ur team will finish outside top4 4 2nd consecutive season.
YNWA
(You'll Never Win Again)
Mr.E
Thanks, I notice you don't mention who you support, are you ashamed! Bitterness is a terrible curse to have to live with so you have the pity from all of us
WNWA
(We'll Never Walk Alone)
17 Sep 2010 14:06:10
Quality team that pal, not even room for joe cole
Here is my best XI
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ Reina_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Johnson_ Carragher_ Agger_ Konchesky
_ _ _Gerrard_ _Meireles_ Lucas_ _ _ _
_ _Kuyt_ _ _ _Torres_ _ _ _Babel_ _
Jones
Skrtel
Kelly
Poulsen
Spearing
Pacheco
N'Gog
17 Sep 2010 14:01:57
Congrats 2 all pool fan coz last nite ur 2nd string beat 2nd class team in 2nd class european competition. n i think this season ur team will finish outside top4 4 2nd cnsecutive year.
YNWA
(You'll Never Win Again)
s.a.m
17 Sep 2010 13:56:50
No mate benitez is not coming back!17 Sep 2010 13:32:05
Make of this what you will, but I once also saw a foreign-looking dude at Anfield. Quite fat, goatee. . anyone else spot him?
17 Sep 2010 13:54:14
I think it's called 'black humour' - neither really amusing, nor welcome, nor appreciated.
Tom Hicks has shofted us all.
I fear he may need a crowbar over his knuckles and a visit from Jason Bourne and Lovejoy to break his hold on the club.
I'm a Liverpool fan and not gloating or trying to be smart. I'm just sad that our once great footballing institution is brought so low.
17 Sep 2010 13:49:16
17 Sep 2010 13:32:05
Make of this what you will, but I once also saw a foreign-looking dude at Anfield. Quite fat, goatee. . anyone else spot him?
Rafa?
17 Sep 2010 13:42:28
Congrats 2 all pool fan coz last nite ur 2nd string beat a 2nd class team in europe 2nd class competition. n im not surprise if this season ur team will finish outside top4 4 2nd consecutive season.
YNWA
(You'll Never Win Again)
Mr.E
17 Sep 2010 13:40:15
Dont be fooled by last night, we will struggle when we come up against a good side were just not good enough. We are a mid table side.
17 Sep 2010 13:34:34
"The Greek MOTM
R Babel superb real attacking flair
Ngog should start Sun ahead of Torres
Poor show:
Cole headless chicken
Kelly liability we can't afford
Spearing Sunday league
Riena 100% to blame for yet another goal
Raul what a total flop we need quality like Aqua"
The person who posted the above should confirm their name, address and email. What fun we will all have!
Great result last night.
Rormac
17 Sep 2010 13:29:09
I think we all need to congratulate Mr Hodgson for his work so far - Instead on moaning, lets get behind him and support the boys.
We have the same record (i.e. points) as big spending Man City in both the league and europe.
And the team looks solid - Under Rafa, the team Roy put out last night would have struggled to a draw but Roy has given the whole club a lift and, giving the likes of Ngog, Kelly, Spearing etc. a chance, can only be a good thing.
I normally hate people who do this, but what about this for the team sunday:
Pepe
Kelly Carra Agger Konsc
Lucas
Johnson Gerrard Cole
Babel
Torres
17 Sep 2010 13:24:02
- - - - - - - -Reina- - - - - - - - -
Johnson- -Carra- -Agger/ Skrtle- -Konchesky
- - - - - -Gerrard- -Meireles- - - - -
Kuyt/ Maxi- - - - J.Cole- - - - - - -Jova
- - - - - - - -Torres- - - - - - - - -
17 Sep 2010 13:07:57
@ 17 Sep 2010 12:01: "He scores 1 goal - (FACT- poor touch which let him get the momentum for a clear shot on goal) and he scored WHOOP DI DOOOO"
He was continually being played as a deep lying DM same as Mascherano - a position he is not adept in, nor shows a natural talent for. Remind us all of how many goals Masch scored in how many games?
Lucas will come good in his correct position.
RED LENIN
17 Sep 2010 13:02:51
Whos wrote: "Hicks on his own could do us good.we only need two top players.Lets all just wait and c."
What kind of person are you?
17 Sep 2010 12:55:21
The banks have to choose what is a sounder investment. . Backing the FANS. . . .OR backing H&G because there is no longer room in this club for both parties.
{Editor's Note: So who will you change your support to - Tranmere?}
17 Sep 2010 12:55:00
ED - Whats your obsession with Lucas?
Are you the individual who convinced the world that he is actually a BRAZILIAN? ?
Gerrard isn't an AM and Rafa played him out of position?? where were you watching when he and Torres mauled Real Madrid, Man United, Inter Milan. .? ?
Gerrard said he loves that position as an AM and even if he is blessed with the ability to play well at CM, AM, or even in Defence - doesn't mean he should not be above LUCAS in the pecking order for both positions!
Fact is mate- Even if it isn't your natural position, To be better at it than lucas doesn't take a lot!
As for Pacheco- you are actually trying to say that he has had a chance to form an impression on you about where his best position is? He is the versatile AM mate! !
Aqua is 10000 x better than Lucas - and if he is lightweight, then just coz lucas wears an extra therma top under his shirt each weak, doesn't make him any stronger! Just ask Nzonzi who did a stone cold stunner on him last year and didn't even get booked! ha
BINSTEAD MASTER YNWA * * * * *
17 Sep 2010 12:52:09
Hi Ed,
Again i am pretty confident we will have new owners soon, just not sure whether they will have done the deal with the bank direct or the current owners.
Macca
{Editor's Note: All bases covered then?}
17 Sep 2010 12:51:53
My step brother works in 'The City', he is head of I.T. for a major merchant bank and has also headed a number of financial institutions IT depts before now and for many years - In short he is very well connected in 'The City' & 'Wall St' as well as other international financial hubs. . When he talks on financial matters I can't help but to take it on board. . despite the fact he is actualy slightly younger than me.
He told me a few days ago that Hicks was trying to get the money he needed to borrow to complete a leveraged buy out of LFC! Then a day later it broke in the press that this was a possibility.
I just can't stand this any more. If H&/ orG are any where LFC after Oct 6th im going to start watching local Sunday League football instead because I refuse to give these two cowboys a single penny of my hard and honestly earnt money.
{Editor's Note: Hicks and Gillett have been trying to refinance the loans since June - so it is nothing new.}
17 Sep 2010 12:18:40
"Wait and see folks, i am passing on the info i am given. I am very sure the yanks will be gone soon.
Macca"
talk about stating the obvious. You said "we are very close to a takeover" way back in May. "Gerrard to Real 100% done deal". How many more false claims do people have to read of yours to wake up to the fact that like 99.9% of people on here, YOU ARE TALKING CARP. You have no "source" anywhere near the club so put a lid on it. I didn't realise how stupid some people on here can be for not seeing through the tripe you put on here every day.
17 Sep 2010 12:04:11
17 Sep 2010 11:54:07
I don't believe this really:
Firstly why would Gillet leave now and why would he sell directly to Hicks?
Broughton and the board will surely fight this anyway they can as it potentially harms the process of selling the club.
Isn't Hicks incredibly close to bankruptcy? Taking in more debt, the only thing i can think is that he's going to make little to no money out of the club if it taken over by RBS so he's trying to hold onto it as long as possible. Ok, good reason but why isn't Gillet following this route to?
If the club is a toxic asset then the bank won't loan it more money and will look to take control instead.
I just think it is more paper talk ahead of the weekend. I believe the club will be taken over before Jan, allowing some room for transfers. However its going to take a couple of seasons and a bit of stability to get back where we historically should be.
Realistic Red
JUST PAPER TALK IN THE MANUTD AND LONDON CLUB SUPPORTING PRESS TO CREATE MORE INSTABLITY AT LIVERPOOL JUST DAYS BEFORE THE BIGGEST CLASH IN ENGLISH FOOTBALL?
17 Sep 2010 12:01:48
TO THE MUPPET WHO WROTE:
What chance has the lad got, with utter gobs* tes like this 'supporting' the team? He's never had a fair crack of the whip since Benitez took Gerrard off for him V Everton (if his goal bound shot in that game wasn't stopped, leading to the winning pen, I think things might have been different, but hey. ) I like him simply because he's got the balls to take all this without complaint - that's the spirit we need to compensate for the terrible support the team tends to get nowadays.
He's shown enough for us to know he's a player given the chance - but you lot will never accept that. ''the keeper was blinded', I've heard it all now.
Never given a fair crack?? ? He played over 40 games for us you mug! !
He scores 1 goal - (FACT- poor touch which let him get the momentum for a clear shot on goal) and he scored WHOOP DI DOOOO!
Thats on par with his own goal header vs Villa last year and his so many sitter headers from 5 yards out he has missed and his shots from outside the box which didn't pass the first defender? ?
ha - GROWUP MATE and stop watching the games on live streams on internet. Clearly the blurry picture is making dodgy Lucas seem a player to you!
How can he make it as an AM at LFC when we have Joe Cole, Gerrard, Aqua (on loan), Pacheco, Mereiles who can all play that role far better?
S BINSTEAD YNWA * * * * * {ed's note - neither Gerrard nor Meireles are AMs, both are central midfielders who can get forward. Don't confuse Rafa's decision to play Gerrard out of position as him actually being one. Aqua is never going to play for the club again, he was constantly brushed off the ball by a gust of wind in training and Roy got rid because of that. That only leaves Pacheco, who seems to be better playing wide and cutting inside than he does playing from the centre. I would say that gives Lucas a chance to play his preferred position.}
17 Sep 2010 12:01:22
17 Sep 2010 11:32:23
What Hicks is doing now is excactly what H&G have been doing since June and trying to refinance. I'm not supprised one bit as i expected some news of this a month ago.
Did anybody think these two b*stards would go quietly?
Do you think think Gillett wil sell his 50% to Hicks just for the price of his half of bank loans? Don't forget Gillett hates Hicks and would no doubt want to sell his shares to someone else and for more money.
I can't believe that any bank would refinance Hicks surely he is one of the biggest mioney risks on the planet.
But we all knew that H&G would do anything to get more money for the club and once again they havn't let us down.
Blair Mayne YNWA
I am in total despair. I thought the ownership issue was becoming more positive as we approach October 6. Obviously not. What were those publicity photos of H&G shaking hands with Kirdi all about? Just publicity? Or as has been said many times, something to 'flush' out bids from other parties by claiming a 'deal' to sell to Kirdi was close.
17 Sep 2010 11:48:16
If Hicks gets away with this I am sorry to say we are finished! Goodbye elite football for many years! Goodbye Gerrard, Reina and Torres!
Is it possible Broughton, Purslow, Barclays Capital and RBS can stop this? Get the FA, Premier League, the fans and Players Union involved. This needs to be stopped? Hicks a serial sports club destroyer!
17 Sep 2010 11:47:52
Ed,
Wasnt Having a go mate just letting you know. I think 2 people have mentioned it now and it was confusing me
Rez {ed's note - I know mate, that's why I thanked you for letting me know. I have to say I don't like this international shift in days, I liked being able to watch the U21s the night before.}
17 Sep 2010 11:36:51
To Ed,
Shelvey didn't play in that under 21's game mate.
Cleverley and henderson played and im pretty sure wilshire came on as a sub and changed the game if i remember rightly. Jonjo hasnt been capped at under 21 level yet.
Rez {ed's note - like I said I didn't know because I hadn't seen it. I was just going on what another poster had said and just assumed they must know better than me. I should really know better by now! Thanks Rez.}
17 Sep 2010 11:32:23
What Hicks is doing now is excactly what H&G have been doing since June and trying to refinance. I'm not supprised one bit as i expected some news of this a month ago.
Did anybody think these two b*stards would go quietly?
Do you think think Gillett wil sell his 50% to Hicks just for the price of his half of bank loans? Don't forget Gillett hates Hicks and would no doubt want to sell his shares to someone else and for more money.
I can't believe that any bank would refinance Hicks surely he is one of the biggest mioney risks on the planet.
But we all knew that H&G would do anything to get more money for the club and once again they havn't let us down.
Blair Mayne YNWA
17 Sep 2010 11:21:33
Standout players last night:
The Greek MOTM
R Babel superb real attacking flair
Ngog should start Sun ahead of Torres
Poor show:
Cole headless chicken
Kelly liability we can't afford
Spearing Sunday league
Riena 100% to blame for yet another goal
Raul what a total flop we need quality like Aqua
THE greek must start Sun"
Can only assume this came from a MAN URE support because there is no way they watched last nights game.
YNWA - RED PADDY
17 Sep 2010 11:13:09
Really getting sick of this guy & that guy going to take over , and all the time the muppets are re-financing to put the club further in dept , remind me again who was employed solely to sell the club yes broughton, no offer's mean no new owner's , the muppets are not going quietly they will hang on till we are so much in dept no one will touch us , more time for them means more cost to LFC, too many chatting sh*t who know nowt , rbs seem to have no option but re-finance for the 2 chuckleheads if there were offer's on he table we will know on the 6th, good luck sunday ynwa
17 Sep 2010 11:12:25
I am sure this is a last ditch attempt to increase the asking price of the club. Under hicks control the debt would increase, the quality of the playing staff decrease, the value of the club would decrease and the new stadium would not be built.
He would own a club where he is hated and not welcomed, why would he want this?
17 Sep 2010 11:12:15
By the way ed i've been told that Paco was back at the game last night. I don't think there will be anything in it like even though i'd love to see him back
Rez {ed's note - it would be great to see Paco back, the players loved him and he was that little link between the players and the management Liverpool hadn't had since Joe Fagan used to be everyone's Uncle Joe.}
17 Sep 2010 11:11:37
"Another rude poster with an over-inflated sense of his own ego, knowledge of the game and his importance in the world!
Bigheaded clown!"
I think you'll find he was taking the Michael.
17 Sep 2010 11:07:07
To Ed,
when was Shelvey playing with Wilshire for England?? Was it when they where younger?
Because fom what I saw Shelvey skippered the 19's and Wilshire was with the 21's
Rez {ed's note - I believe they played together in the last game for the U21s, I didn't actually see it as it was on at the same time as the main game. Usually it is on the Friday night and the full team play on the Saturday. But other than that, you are correct Shelvey is normally an age group below Wilshere, but then he is younger!}
17 Sep 2010 11:04:08
When not if the yanks default, RBS may try to get as much as they can out of the next deal, I believe that more then one consortium is in line to take over, you may never realy know who is in charge, is it going to be share based, if so the boards responsebility will be to the share holders and not the fans, so player sales may hold back your progress back to the CL, you realy need one buyer only interested in the clubs success, big ask!will the next owners be better or worse will this current board remain?if not who will replace them?this could get very complex.
17 Sep 2010 11:03:01
17 Sep 2010 10:35:03
I think alot of posters lack real football knowledge!
Standout players last night:
The Greek MOTM
R Babel superb real attacking flair
Ngog should start Sun ahead of Torres
Poor show:
Cole headless chicken
Kelly liability we can't afford
Spearing Sunday league
Riena 100% to blame for yet another goal
Raul what a total flop we need quality like Aqua
THE greek must start Sun
What the F*CK, you serious mate? What game was you watching?
17 Sep 2010 11:02:15
The Greek MOTM
R Babel superb real attacking flair
Ngog should start Sun ahead of Torres
Poor show:
Cole headless chicken
Kelly liability we can't afford
Spearing Sunday league
Riena 100% to blame for yet another goal
Raul what a total flop we need quality like Aqua
what rubbish. kyrgiakos was mainly to blame for bucharesti's goal, cole headless chicken? it's called hardworking my dear, kelly still young in years to come will be better than what johnson is now, reina didn't have much to do last night, cannot judge him, and raul and spearing controlled midfield well sunday league my ass
17 Sep 2010 10:57:14
Ed what do you think about spearing and kelly after last night. spearing had a great game but for kelly, not so much with sloppy touches and crosses, and was partly to blame for the first goal. correct me if i'm wrong ed {ed's note - Spearing played well enough, but I just think it is too late for him to make it at Liverpool, he was held back too long when he was ready a few years back. As for the person that said he was too small for that position, he is almost exactly the same height as Mash! I think Kelly played well and was in no way at fault for the goal - that was Kyrgiakos's fault. The centre back has to either hold his position and stand up to the man with the ball and then the full back comes round on the cover or go with the runner and allow someone else to pressure the ball. He did neither, and instead tried to back away from the man with the ball and then turn and chase back when the pass was played - absolutely awful, schoolboy-level defending. But because he didn't press the ball, the full back's responsibility is to stay out a bit wider to watch for a ball played out to a winger. What Kelly did was see that Kyrgiakos was not pressing the ball so just dropped back to cover the pass, nothing more he can do if the centre back doesn't do his job. What was needed was a decent centre back, without the turning circle of a river barge and the pace of a weary tortoise, alongside him. Carra may not have pace, but he would have, no doubt, pressed the man with the ball and let the others worry about what happens behind him like Kyrgiakos should have done.}
17 Sep 2010 10:47:45
The thing with Maxi is that he is unsettled and is finding it hard to adapt to a new country and league. We all know how good he is and will show glimpses of his ability throughout the season, but I believe he will move back to Spain in January.
Scouse Pride
Here is my best XI
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ Reina_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Johnson_ Carragher_ Agger_ Konchesky
_ _ _Gerrard_ _Meireles_ Lucas_ _ _ _
_ _Kuyt_ _ _ _Torres_ _ _ _Babel_ _
Jones
Skrtel
Kelly
Poulsen
Spearing
Pacheco
N'Gog
17 Sep 2010 10:42:09
"I think alot of posters lack real football knowledge!
Standout players last night:
The Greek MOTM
R Babel superb real attacking flair
Ngog should start Sun ahead of Torres
Poor show:
Cole headless chicken
Kelly liability we can't afford
Spearing Sunday league
Riena 100% to blame for yet another goal
Raul what a total flop we need quality like Aqua
THE greek must start Sun"
Another rude poster with an over-inflated sense of his own ego, knowledge of the game and his importance in the world!
Bigheaded clown!
17 Sep 2010 10:35:03
I think alot of posters lack real football knowledge!
Standout players last night:
The Greek MOTM
R Babel superb real attacking flair
Ngog should start Sun ahead of Torres
Poor show:
Cole headless chicken
Kelly liability we can't afford
Spearing Sunday league
Riena 100% to blame for yet another goal
Raul what a total flop we need quality like Aqua
THE greek must start Sun
17 Sep 2010 10:32:40
Potential buyers i believe are waiting on liverpool fc to be took over by the rbs. There this means getting the club at a cheaper price. Leaving tom and gerry with f* *all The club will be auctioned off between the 5 potential buyers and the liverpool board will have no say in he matter because the more cash the RBS get the more profit they may get from the sale. This will leave them with more cash than the origional debt that is owed. Nice profit for RBS Thats what i believe any way. Just makes sence
17 Sep 2010 10:23:29
Enjoyed the game last as Bucharest took it to us and their counter-attacking game was impressive at times. Good to wtch and a nice result for us.
Reina - a bit flappy at times, but still a commanding presence.
Kelly - more I see, the more I like. Strong challenges down the line, although he does seem to 'telegraph' some of his passes.
Konchelsky - seemed to turn his back for one of the strong challenges in the first hlaf, but steady and impressively cool under pressure. Will do a solid job for us.
Agger - maybe he was annoyed, but I would still prefer to see him striding forward with the ball more often. His defending was a little erratic, but coped well with Bucharest's talented and quick forward.
Kyriagos - never been a fan, but he is solid and a towering figure. Don't like cheating of any kind, yet it was amusing the way he threw himself to the ground like an old glove!
Babel - glimpses of what we thought we'd bought for £11 million three years ago. Maybe, just maybe this freer role will suit him.
Meireles - strong, fast and attack minded. like what I saw.
Spearing - neat, sharp passing and an eye to get forward and tackle back. Tries hard but not a Liverpool player in my eyes - and rather small for that central role.
Cole - more and more to come. Nice.
Ngog - I like him and he will be a player for us, if Roy gives him the chance and he puts some meat on those bones!
Maxi - a confusing player; likes to get forward, good crosser of the ball and strong in the tackle, but sometimes seems to be confused as to his positional role.
Pachecho - it's there and we just have to mine the rich seam of the boy.
Eccleston - we need more of him on the pitch. Impressive for the reserves and deserves his chance.
Lucas - some reservations, but the player wants to play for us and a great strike alst night.
Where was Amoo and why is Shelvey (playing alongside Wilshire for England) just a bench-warmer? Five out of 10 on that one for Roy.
Sunday: I expect at least four goals in the game and I am leaning towards a 3-1 victory for us. This is a surprise as I have been slagging us off, moaning and justifiably criticising the club since the start of the season. Not based on any knowledge, just a gut feeling.
RBS + Hicks: my biggest fear is that he will get the money to hold onto the club. Broughton is inadequate and we are on the verge of becoming, as Steve Parker has been banging on about on here, an average club with a massive history.
Julian West
17 Sep 2010 10:00:15
Does anyone know hoe to fast forward time to the 6th Oct? if so can you please do so as am really starting to worry. Didn't think the Yanks would give up without a fight hopefully any finance company will see them for who they really are! I work in the Mortgage market and despite what people think it is still possible to get a mortgage with defaults against your name its just that the interest payments are higher as you are deemed a higher risk.! I imagine it will be the same in the large business sector too so lets hope the othe three on the board stay strong cos by the yanks trying to keep the wolf from the door they could be saddling the club with even higher interest payments! Does anyone agree or am I barking up the wrong tree?
Keep the faith.
Dickie Di Doh
17 Sep 2010 09:31:13
Please please stop all this trash about Johnson at right wing, he is a defender and only an average one at that.! he has been useless going forward this year have you not been watching? I don`t rate Kuyt at all but I would rather have him there than Johnson.!
Ed,
Having seen tonights game do you reckon Kelly should start Sunday?
I think he messed up for the goal myself & failed to track the scorers run.
If he does start though, Johnson would surely be worth a shot on the wing.
For me the team on Sun should be:
Reina
Carra Skrtel Agger Konchesky
Johnson Gerrard Meirales Cole
N'gog Torres {ed's note - it was the centre back's job to track the scorer's run mate, Kyrgiakos was caught in two minds and didn't drop quickly enough because he was ball watching the man with the ball. If he had stood up and closed down the player with the ball, then it is Kelly's job to come round on the cover, but what he did was back away until the pass was played, which is too late when you are as slow and cumbersome as Kyrgiakos is. The blame sits wholly with him I am afraid. I would have started Kelly anyway all this season, Johnson is just not good enough defensively. Personally I would have sold him in the summer.}
17 Sep 2010 09:13:17
Thank God, I agree %100. I have also been reading and replying to macca's statements for the past week. Honestly can you see macca knowing anything at all (reallity) NO
We all just need to hold onto our hats until the end of the month ( 2 weeks into Oct possibly) to see what will happen.
Only the people from the board and the money men know what is happening at the moment.
I know it's frustrating as a fan but we just need to keep supporting on the pitch and keep the faith.
GingerDevil
17 Sep 2010 09:03:21
Comrades!
Credit where credit is due. Other than Joe Cole's first minute goal, the pattern of play in the first half suggested Steau would take at least a draw and probably win. Then along comes Ngog's penalty iin the second and the whole match turned on it's head and Liverpool actually looked a class act. They looked ferocious in fact. And as for Lucas, it goes to show if you put a player in the position he's designed for, he will produce the goods. Cracking goal son. Babel - well I feel for him a bit and I do not think making him play wide left is a good idea he isn't happy there and it shows. Good all round effort from short-ar$e Spearing, Kelly's inexperience on the big stage showed a couple of times and the few minutes the other youngsters were on they looked good. Settled in straight away.
Dodgey first half, magnificent second.
RED LENIN
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17 Sep 2010 09:01:20
Just sent another email to thicks@hicksholdings.com
but are they going to listen. ? What is it going to take for the greedy c. nt Hicks to realize that he is not welcome?
Red Herr Ing
17 Sep 2010 08:48:45
Well done liverpool 4-1 , lets hope they keep it up YNWA
17 Sep 2010 08:12:33
No Disrespect to the lad as i agree with Ed, Spearing was held back too long. But there is no way on earth he will ever do the job that Mascherano done for us, not in a million years.
Again Ed i agree that maxi is poor i was made up when we signed him but he hasnt lived up to it. But I have to disagree with you on Cole by far our best player last night without him we would have struggled. I'm also shocked at his work rate he doesn't seem to stop running.
I was at the game so i'm gona watch it later on TV, maybe I will change my mind but that's how it seemed at the game and most people after it seemed to agree.
One thing that is annoying me though is how long Roy takes to make a sub. I never noticed during his time at Fulham but is driving me nuts. Maxi was poor last night and we had Pacheco on the bench, yet he didn't come on until the 85th minute or so. His 1st 2 subs in the last 2 games have been centre mids. Meireles looked impressive i'd like to see him start on sunday although I don't think he will.
Rez
17 Sep 2010 08:10:11
Hi Ed After watching the game last night are you worried that we don't seem to wake up until the 2nd half. If we aren't ready from minute 1 we could get a beating from the manure on Sunday.
RedDan {ed's note - not really, I find it pleasing that we have a manager that can get the players in at half time and say the right things to bring a performance out of them for the second half. Better than going in ahead and coming out and folding for the second half. Nobody on earth can get the tactics and team right from the start, but the fact he can reorganise at half time and sort things out for the second half is a good sign to me. As for Sunday, it is just one game, I am more interested in how we get over the course of the season than in just winning this game.}
17 Sep 2010 05:51:57
HI ED, TOP GAME LAST NIGHT, COLE OF THE MARK, NGOG OUR TOP GOAL SCORER, ROY BEATEN THE ALL TIME RECORD FOR STRAIGHT WINS IN EUROPE (BEATING SHANKS I THINK) AND THE WORST PLAYER IN THE UNIVERSE (ACCORDING TO MOST SO CALLED FANS ON HERE) LUCAS EVEN GOT ONE. HOPEFULLY NOW THEY WILL HAVE ABIT OF CONFIDENCE FOR SUNDAYS MATCH. SO FROM SUNDAYS SLATING BY LOTS OF LADS ON HERE THEY MIGHT HAVE A BIT OF POSITIVITY FOR THE FOURTH COMING PERIOD. COME ON EVERYONE LETS GET BEHIND EM AND GIVE THE LADS OUR FULL SUPPORT. WOYS THE BOY! !
17 Sep 2010 05:19:23
First of all
Finally a good game for liverpool especially second half, very fluid play great passing ,
The ones that stood out were
spearing
ngog
cole
and i was suprised on how well kelly did , and tbh babel did a fine ass job throughout the game , especially in the second half he looked more like a threat , and also made good quick passes , and what i also enjoyed about babel and havent seen him do much was that he chased every ball back, very well
Maxi was also very great actually. good passing. although bad free kicks / corners ;)
overall very good performance imo , and congrats to lucas for finally making an goal , im not a fan of him , but i was happy for him .
although a bit of a shocker when i saw lucas was the goalscorer ;)
17 Sep 2010 05:15:50
Ok lets all take a deep breath. Even if hicks wanted full control and went to clear the debt to RBS and buy out the other tit. The chance of him getting a bank to lend him that level of money with the track record of the RBS debt and the fact that the debt has been placed in the Toxic debt section of RBS makes it a pipe dream and impossible unless he uses his own cash to clear debt and pay off the other yank. It won't happen as he apart from anything has had enough and i think now understands that english football and in fact football world wide is a sport that is not 11 on a pitch its a local section of the community and its the fans that really have the power as it was the fans who saved rafa and its the fans that signed joe cole. I of course hate united but i do respect the fact that they to have a fan base like us that is fanatical and would follow the team to hell and back. The yanks assumed that ownership meant total control. Hicks will not buy the club or have the support from the board to do so.
17 Sep 2010 04:09:36
RE: Premier League's fit and proper person test:
DISQUALIFYING EVENTS:
# A person shall be disqualified from acting as a director and no club shall be permitted to have any person acting as a director of that club if:
# Either directly or indirectly he is involved in or has any power to determine or influence the management or administration of another club or Football League club
# Either directly or indirectly he holds or acquires any Significant Interest in a club while he either directly or indirectly holds any interest in any class of shares of another club
# He becomes prohibited by law from being a director
# He is convicted on indictment of an offence set out in the Appendix 12 Schedule of Offences or he is convicted of a like offence by a competent court having jurisdiction outside England and Wales
# He makes an Individual Voluntary Arrangement or becomes the subject of an Interim Bankruptcy Restriction Order, a Bankruptcy Restriction Order or a Bankruptcy Order
# He is a director of a club which, while he has been a director of it, has suffered two or more unconnected events of insolvency
# He has been a director of two or more clubs or clubs each of which, while he has been a director of them, has suffered an Event of Insolvency.
I thought if Hicks had already gone through Bankruptcy Restriction order in america. Then that part of fit n Proper would apply to him here.
Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection oder:When a business is unable to service its debt or pay its creditors, the business or its creditors can file with a federal bankruptcy court for protection under chp11:call in administrator.
Cause it looks like the administrators will be knocking on liverpools doors come 6th October. I can't understand how he is allowd to do this twice.
17 Sep 2010 03:18:02
RE-Carra Skrtel Agger Konchesky
Johnson Gerrard Meirales Cole
N'gog Torres
i love jamie carragher with my heart and soul but putting him right back against united would be a bad idea. .we want carra lying back deep commanding the center. .
i like your idea of the 442 though, id play that too but with johnson rb, maxi on right and carra centre back. .i think that's the strongest team we have without kuyt. .
db9
17 Sep 2010 03:08:18
Unsigned said at 17 Sep 2010 00:58:29:
"I said the other day that Hicks would refinance liverpool and the bank would let him, cause of massive intrest they are earning, "
It is perfectly possible that the refinancing will be from a different bank.
"Once the banks get enough cash to cover original cost. Liverpool will really be in trouble."
Banks make money oout of lending money for interest payments. This is standard practice.
"Look at the mess he made of Texas Rangers. He will rape the club in short term and then rape the new owner (over price) in the future."
It strike me that Hicks and Gillett have not been as bad for Liverpool as some of those the fans have seemed so keen to replace them with. For example, if DIC had taken control I would expect significant leveraged loans on the club.
"I think the goverment, EPL and FA should step in, owners of football club should be fit and proper. Hicks has already taken TexasRangers into Chapter11 and shown he shouldnt allowd near sports business. Its time for someone higher to act to save the game from greedy americans."
You clearly do not have any understanding about fit and proper tests for ownership. Chapter 11 is bankruptcy protection - an opportunity to save a business that is failing financially.
Sharkey.
17 Sep 2010 01:55:36
Ed,
Having seen tonights game do you reckon Kelly should start Sunday?
I think he messed up for the goal myself & failed to track the scorers run.
If he does start though, Johnson would surely be worth a shot on the wing.
For me the team on Sun should be:
Reina
Carra Skrtel Agger Konchesky
Johnson Gerrard Meirales Cole
N'gog Torres
Subs: Jones, Soto, Kelly, Pacheco (his time is near), Poulsen, Maxi & Babel (tonights game finished him for me - i've backed him all along but can't see him improve now so move him on in the summer i'd say)
No Lucas or Jovanovic for me.
What you reckon Ed?
{Editor's Note: I think he is a good prospect but I would not start him on Sunday.}
17 Sep 2010 01:31:02
My liverpool team vs mancs
reina
carragher, skrtel, agger, konchesky
johnson, gerrard, meireles, jovanovic
cole
torres
hodgeson's team
reina
johnson, carragher, skrtel, konchesky
lucas, poulson
cole, gerrard, jovanovic
torres
harry5
17 Sep 2010 01:12:39
Kev, erm I'm sorry if I annoyed you this week. I had the hump over our performance v Birmingham until last night. I respect your opinion mate as I do most fellow reds and I don't have a 'but' to add.
Somewhere deep down I couldn't help feeling Rafa was keeping the club a force to be reckoned with in European and world football.That season where we finished 2nd four points off winning the prem, if only we could've turned a couple of those draws at anfield into wins then things would've been VERY different today. I like your arguments against Rafa Kev, you possibly hit the mark on a lot of issues.
Good luck tonight and on Sunday Kev.
Gazman
Gazman, no need to apologise.
I totally respect everyone's opinions.
I just needed to vent my issues i have had with Rafa for the past 3 or 4 years.
For what its worth i personally had gone off Rafa since The Champs Lg final in '07 for reasons explained the other day. Then it just snowballed.
But i also see how he was good for us too at times.
Anyway, don't worry about it kid.
Its all good as they say.
Goodluck for Sunday too mate, Lets start prayin now.
Hug? ha !
Kevin
17 Sep 2010 00:58:29
I said the other day that Hicks would refinance liverpool and the bank would let him, cause of massive intrest they are earning,
Once the banks get enough cash to cover original cost. Liverpool will really be in trouble.
Look at the mess he made of Texas Rangers. He will rape the club in short term and then rape the new owner (over price) in the future.
I think the goverment, EPL and FA should step in, owners of football club should be fit and proper. Hicks has already taken TexasRangers into Chapter11 and shown he shouldnt allowd near sports business. Its time for someone higher to act to save the game from greedy americans.
17 Sep 2010 00:51:01
Hicks doesn't care about being unpopular, (even death-threats don't bother him)
The man is looking to become the most hated man in liverpool. He must be a secret ManU fan seeking misey on us.
17 Sep 2010 00:42:30
If its true about HICKS becoming sole owner, every Liverpool fan worth his salt, should make it there mission in life to make HICKS life a misery, by any legal means possible.
Bombard any financial institution involved with thousands of emails, showing how unpopular this deal would be or is, make it a P.R. disaster, for any banks involved.
Let everyone know, at every opportunity, what scumbags Hicks and his cronies are.
Any fans that have sensible, workable ideas on what fans can do to block HICKS, or at least make things harder for him should pass the word to all other fans.
Their must be hundreds of Liverpool fans in positions of power and influence in the World, they should also spread the word as and wherever and whenever, they can.
Come on fans, Shanks said it's our club; we may not own it, but lets stand up and be heard.
rasone
17 Sep 2010 00:31:12
The arab behind king kenny was no other sheik iwish thoseyanks wouldfookoff hassann the 3rd , ynwa
17 Sep 2010 00:11:59
This is not a rumor. This is a fact. Woy Hod is NOT, I repeat NOT a Liverpool manager. It just doesn't feel right. I am watching the best club in the country becoming another Leeds united, another Tottenham Hotspur. We have been going that way for ten years. The situation is now at critical.
I have news for you mr Benitez, Houllier, Evans, Souness were not LFC managers either
17 Sep 2010 00:07:32
Problem with his favoured position though - we have lot of players for attacking MF that are way better than Mr Lucas.
16 Sep 2010 23:59:15
"Lucas scored against Manu when we won 4-1"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No he didn't - the scorers were Torres, Gerrard, Aurelio and Dossena - LIVERPRES
16 Sep 2010 23:54:55
Nob ed am I u sad t* t! So will u guarantee me that cos of one goal you Lucas loving dip s* t we now av the new socrates get real armchair fan!
so you critisizing the players, now your critisizing the fans, FACT you r NOT a liverpool fan, your also an armchair fan.
leave liverpool fc we don't need/ want YOU
B*LLEND
16 Sep 2010 23:49:46
Roy just can't keep you t* ts happy can he? First he gets criticised for not playing him, now he gets it for not taking him off - howabout him getting a good run out to get the feel of the team before he starts on Sunday. Who'd be a manager?
All I meant was that I wanted him fully fit and give a youngster a bit of game time, what's wrong with that?
16 Sep 2010 23:40:04
Rumour has it, that if RBS refinance those yanks.
They will have 100s of fans lining up outside their branches waiting for the banks to open.
Then they will go to the windows and just ask for change for a fiver or a tenner.
Then go to the back of the queue, and ask to change the change for a note.
This will happen on a daily basis