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20 Jul 2014 14:59:05
Ed002, question for you. Would it be fair to say that Remy will conclude the team's attacking additions? Also, the Isco talk doesn't make sense. We well stocked in that area. Plus the money it would take to bring him in would be beyond what we can afford. This one is a sure non-starter. Would appreciate your views ed.

Gundi

{Ed002's Note - I think that the club still maintain an interest in a youngster, Origi. There is interest in Isco from Italy but he is keen to stay in Madrid. It will again be tought for him to get games. He has been offered to Chelsea as part of a deal for another player but right now they are trying to do something else. If Liverpool are interested it is hard to see, given his price, how they would make use of him as any sort of regular player - unless Coutinho were to be moving on. It is not out of the question that Manchester City might be interested again. The issue with the money would primarily be how much can Liverpool spend on players that will only get the Aspas, Alberto, Ilori amount of games per season - particularly given how the club need to be balancing the books and working the debt. There will be a bunch of folk leaving no doubt, but these would be fringe players in any case.}


 

 

31 May 2014 13:05:21
If reports of our £25m "take it or leave it/final" offer for Lallana are to be believed, then that's this deal effectively dead in the water. It still falls short of Soton's fee, and they not going to budge.

Lallana may have to submit a transfer request and forfeit his transfer cut. Even then the deal must be considered unlikely.

Ed002, I understand you had difficulties initially finding better information as regards Alberto Moreno. Well, as of now, are you able to confirm what kind of, if any, offer Liverpool made to Sevilla? What outcome seems likely on the facts you have?

And finally, would you agree that the status on these players is as follows:

Lovren: strong interest. Verbal offer made and subsequently rejected. Better, official offer likely.
Can: no offer made. Deal unlikely unless Leverkusen resolves inter-club contractual issue with Bayern.
Shaqiri: strong interest. No bid submitted. Deal merely a possibility.
Konoplyanka: all previous interest dropped.

Gundi

{Ed002's Note - There has been an offer for Moreno and Suso is part of that offer and is happy to make the move. I don't know if the offer has been accepted or not. Right now that seems to be the case with the other players.}


 

 

 

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27 Jun 2014 14:26:45
Hi Ed002!

Just wanted your opinion as to how this Suarez saga will impact our transfer business. Are we likely going to end up worse off?
In the expected event that Suarez leaves, do you have any idea who the club will likely look to as a capable and realistic replacement? And is it possible that the club has already started working on bringing in the replacement?

Thanks in advance.

Gundi

{Ed002's Note - I suspect Suarez will move on - the issue is whether Liverpool can raise further hard cash.}


 

 

29 May 2014 17:43:16
Ed002

Seems like everyone's been whipped into a frenzy about this Moreno news. Have you heard any confirmation of a bid? Or could this be in fact the other Moreno, Hector?
If we're to take the media's word as gospel, Can, Lallana and no doubt a hundred others should be Liverpool players now.
I'll await confirmation from you.
Cheers

Gundi

{Ed002's Note - Hector has moved on and is interesting and interested in Manchester United. There is plenty of pontification from me about Alberto already.}


 

 

28 May 2014 17:06:49
Ed002

Would like to hear your thoughts on Liverpool/Ian Ayre's approach to the transfer business.

The ridiculously derisory, unacceptable bids, penny pinching and dilly dallying.
Dempsey, Mkhitaryan, Salah, Konoplyanka are all typical examples.
Now you've also informed of us of "unacceptable" verbal offer made for Lovren.

And just right now we are dilly dallying around the Lallana issue. Southampton has quoted us a price. Either we intend meeting it or we don't. Either way, there must be a position: walk away, or pay it if we pay it, over and done with.

Once it was clear that Southampton weren't going to budge on Shaw, Chelsea moved on to look elsewhere. Decisive. Why do we waste considerable time "haggling" but eventually agree to the asking price. only to find though that it's too late?

Ed002, I really would like to hear your take on this. Especially the ridiculously low bids. How do selling clubs take to LFC/Arye's conduct? Does it have the effect of making selling clubs less inclined to deal with us?
Or is our approach actually common practice?

Cheers mate

Gundi

{Ed002's Note - Firstly, I don't know Ian Ayre at all so I will try and stick to what I know to be correct rather than drop in to conjecture and supposition.

However, I can answer for each of the players you mention: (a) Liverpool were accused of tapping up Clint Dempsey which is why Mr Werner and Mr Ayre issued apologies to Fulham in order to have them withdraw their complaint to the FA. A transfer was not going to happen. (b) Mkhitaryan was never going to happen due to the price being too high and Shakhtar wanting a single payment. It would have been dependent on the sale of Suarez. (c) As for Salah, the club's valuation of the player was miles away from what Basal would consider acceptable - hence there being no negotiation. This was made worse by Brendan Rodgers saying that they were not sure if the player was good enough for England and that is why they would not offer anything like a reasonable amount of money on such a high-risk purchase. The player and his club both, quite rightly, found this offensive. (d) The Dnipro owner was always likely to want to keep Konoplyanka - you cannot blame Mr Ayre for not being able to resolve that.

I am pretty sure that I explained all of these at the time.

You can add to that: (e) Willian was a player Liverpool were interested in, but they did not offer enough money to buy him. (f) Costa was not going to happen without selling Suarez - because of the money and because he was seen as his replacement. (g) Sigurdsson decided to sign for Spurs instead of Liverpool because he felt they had a better chance of giving him Champions League football - he was wrong - but how many still lust after him?

And don't forget the players he has done the deals for since Brendan Rodgers arrived: Daniel Sturridge, Kolo Touré, Tiago Ilori, Joe Allen, Fabio Borini, Mamadou Sakho, Luis Alberto, Iago Aspas, Simon Mignolet, Coutinho, Oussama Assaidi, Samed Yesil and the loans of Victor Moses, Nuri Sahin and Aly Cissokho. I appreciate many of these players are not favourites of the fans, but you cannot blame Ian Ayre for that - he doesn't pick the players but he did get the transfers done.

You are right about the seeming indecision in going in with a very low offer and not following it up - it will not help anyone and it can make it difficult to negotiate sensibly later. You mention Chelsea and typically they are very good - perhaps assisted by their chief negotiator being many fold better looking than Ian Ayres. However, they too have had notable failures over prolonged negotiations for players - Falcao, Cavani, Isco and Reus spring to mind.

As for how selling clubs feel about low bids, generally they see it as simply wasting their time and it makes it more difficult to do business between the clubs in the future. I am also aware that a number of senior personnel within EPL clubs found what John Henry said about an Arsenal bid in public last year to be very disrespectful.

Liverpool perhaps need to become a little more humble in the way they do their transfer business.}


 

 

 

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