15 Jan 2015 08:51:17
I'd be delighted if we swapped Lambert and Borini for Berahino
Would suit all parties I reckon

{Ed001's Note - haven't we had enough drunken pricks at the club with Carroll? One of the reasons for our dominance in the past was the reseach we did into player's personalities, as well as their ability. Berahino would never get near consideration under Paisley, he is going to waste his talent the way he is going.}

1.) 15 Jan 2015
I absolutely agree Ed but he's just a kid he can be pointed in the right direction
Ryan Giggs could easily have been branded "not worth the effort" and look what Fergie turned him into

2.) 15 Jan 2015
Rodgers is not Fergie

3.) 15 Jan 2015
As far as we can learn anything from George Best, Maradona, Gascoine, Gimmy Greaves, even Tony Adams all had issues with alcohol or drugs . All did great service for their teams(not that I compare Brahinho to any of them). And our Suarez had his own issues with biting as we know. I don't get this rightous attitude, we are not looking for a new Pope or new primary school head teacher. The only question is if he can score consistently as many goals as this year and is not injuryd prone and if we can affrod him. The rest is a problem of his parents and girlfriend not ours.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but there is a lot more to it than that. All of those players had a shorter career due to their issues than they should have had. All of them had a certain type of personality that is totally different from the one Berahino has. The self righteous attitude is coming from you, trying to claim to know anything about these people and comparing Berahino with any of them is idiotic. As for the problem, it is the club's problem, idiotic to suggest otherwise, as the club have to ensure they are fit and available to play each match, rather than locked up or drunk or otherwise unavailable. You sure a massive lack of understanding and ignorance. Paisley didn't have a righteous attitude, as you so pathetically referred to it, he just wanted the right type of players. Berahino has yet to show he is the right type of person.}

4.) 15 Jan 2015
I don't entirely agree with your point on Berahino ED001. Surely a young talented but personally flawed player should in many circumstances be given the opportunity and support to redeem themselves. I agree it is prudent of clubs to assess the personality and behaviour of a player as part of the overall package and then decide if they have the stomach or appetite for the challenge, almost a risk reward strategy. The sums being quoted for Berahino admittedly make this an expensive challenge likely to frighten off many clubs. Liverpool also haven't had much success in recent times in this regard with Carroll and Ballotelli

{Ed001's Note - so what on earth is your point? That the club should take another expensive risk with money they can't afford to spend on a player that has already shown massive personality flaws? Why not just sign every imbecile that can't behave? Maybe we should add the likes of Ravel Morrison while we are about it? If we continue to buy imbeciles that can't handle the limelight, we will continue to struggle. We need to buy winners focused on winning, not on showing off to their mates.}

5.) 15 Jan 2015
15 Jan 2015 10:13:06
Brendan should not be given a penny in this window. He's already wasted enough money on players who are not good enough: Allen, Borini, Assaidi, Lambert, Manqillo, Aspas, Lovren, Mignolet et al.
Let's really see how good a manager he is and see if he can get a top four this season. If not, goodbye Brendan and his sidekicks

6.) 15 Jan 2015
Why did I know someone would feel the need to say that?
Obviously I wasn't suggesting that he was especially as I am a critic of Rodgers but the point remains valid
Or are you suggesting that we shouldn't sign any talent because the manager isn't good enough?

{Ed001's Note - we should sign talent with the right attitude, with real hunger and desire to win games, not be flash tits who just want to be seen.}

7.) 15 Jan 2015
C'mon ed001 now, you did say your wife checked the pages and said you were to harsh on some people. Watch it buddy ;)

Only kidding mate, I'm not impressed with Berahino's attitude and problems at all. He's a player i'd avoid at all costs.

{Ed001's Note - good point, but I just can't believe that all these people think they know better than the greatest manager of all time, Bob Paisley. Jose Mourinho is another one who checks out the background of players to pick ones with the right attitude for his team. Yet suddenly all these football manager players know better, and think it is just about who is the latest flash in the pan media darling.}

8.) 15 Jan 2015
What about Sturrdige did he not have a bad name ??
Or was he known about been greedy ect

{Ed001's Note - he had not had off field issues at all. No idea why anyone would even suggest that!}

9.) 15 Jan 2015
Of course you're corrct Ed, as I've already stated, but my reply of "do we not sign any talent because Rodgers isn't good enough" was simply in direct response the the "Rodgers isn't Fergie" comment.
I have every sympathy with your argument, as you know I've posted before about my preference for Liverpool to return to the way it used to behave and used to be run, that said all the negative things being said about Berahino are only second hand opinions unless you actually know the lad so he may actually have the capacity to change his behaviour.
Maybe if I added the words "based on ability alone" to my original post it would seem more favourable?

{Ed001's Note - that would change it, but ability alone shouldn't be how the decisions are made. I feel that is part of the problem in recent years, most of Rafa's signings, for instance, had ability, it was their attitude that usually let them down. Aqualani had talent in abundance, but he just couldn't be bothered. You only have to look at a current player, Glenn Johnson, to see how ability can be totally wasted on a player with the wrong attitude. If the club had listened, when they were warned about his attitude, we wouldn't have got stuck with that liability at right back for all these years. Similar questions are being raised about Berahino, I would prefer we didn't take that kind of risk on a player who will cost so much and has yet to prove he can really make the most of his talent.}

10.) 15 Jan 2015
Sorry Chris, perhaps I should have said that Rodgers is not that type of manager. Rodgers can be friendly with players - He will not instill fear into them, hence why I don't think that Rodgers can be seen as the miracle maker that some see him as. I have nearly always been in favour of Rodgers, but he isn't going to make a bad player a good one, and probably not one with a bad attitude into a role model that Liverpool used to pride itself on.

11.) 15 Jan 2015
I do agree that attitude is hugely important and I suppose I'm just hoping that the rumours are overblown and as for price I also agree which is why the swap deal I suggested seemed a better deal
I'm sure it wouldn't happen anyway though but still

{Ed001's Note - in the position we are in, I would rather keep those two for now. Berahino is so far from a finished product he would not be much of a help. We have enough young talent already.}

12.) 15 Jan 2015
Also Ed, and I genuinely don't know the answer to this, but I've been told that a couple of years ago Sterling had a terrible attitude. Would that be right?

{Ed001's Note - no, he was always listening to his coaches and was willing to learn. He was getting into bother off the pitch, but he always applied himself on the pitch.}

13.) 15 Jan 2015
15 Jan 2015 10:58:40
Pfft, paisley? Joseeee Mourinhooooooo all the way. Only joking. I'd agree with you, Clough up there too.

Football is funny. We post on these pages what we think, which is so far off lol. It's like on the chelsea page when we say stuff, we should just leave it to the manager really haha.

Sturridge had zero off feild problems mate, he just was incredibly selfish and injury prone when second choice for us (chelsea)

There's nothing that annoys me more than incredibly talented players who waste there careers. Ravel Morrison being the prime example.

Honestly, ed001 and Ed002 need to be the 1 and 2 of Liverpool football club, your knowledge is amazing! And I'm sure you'd do better than the bunch of clowns currently at Liverpool

(Ps love this page, I commented, then went all the way down the page, then refreshed and there was already another 3 replies. Great community you have here

{Ed001's Note - it took off during the FSG takeover, that was when it was just starting as a separate page. So it had a real following from the start. Stable clubs don't get the same following as fans seem to be more interested in moaning than celebrating wins! For instance, when Wolves were sliding down the table in the Prem, then again into League One, their site was very busy. Now they are doing better, their site has gone much quieter. I am sure the Chelsea site will become busy when Jose is replaced by Steve McLaren at the end of the season ;)

14.) 15 Jan 2015
Chris, look at what happened with osvaldo at Southampton. Terrible signing by pochetino. A great player, who just can't be bothered.

15.) 15 Jan 2015
Yes mate! I know it is so so strange! We always strive for our team to be better. I have a younger cousin, who's a Liverpool fan, and is so quiet now that Liverpool are doing bad, was non stop calling me last year when they were doing well. Then you have the opposite, complaining when top of the league. It's a weird life haha.

And please no! Not Steve mclaren! Lol

{Ed001's Note - oh shoot sorry let the cat out the bag there didn't I?}

16.) 15 Jan 2015
We seem to think we know more than the people that have got us in a great position in every aspect over at the chelsea page haha

{Ed001's Note - I have noticed! ;)

17.) 15 Jan 2015
Ha.

Oh leave us alone! We like to think were more educated than we actually are :P

{Ed001's Note - bless it is sweet that you all think that.}

18.) 15 Jan 2015
So bob Paisley surely wouldn't sign Suzrez then, would he? And what about John Terri in chelsea for all the 'Morinho check personalities' advocates here (racism, sleeping with his team mate's girlfriend etc), Ryan Gigs had his own domestic issues. It didn't afect their game. Christinao Ronaldo is one of the most arrogant players I have seen. People forget how after he came back from that World Cup after winking after he drew a red card from Ronney his team mate, he was one of the most hated players in the UK and wanted to leave. He wasn't rated then as a world class and I can see how some people here, if he was ours, would have said then he should go because he ruins the team ethos. Fortunately for ManU Ferguson fought to keep him. We have to accept that some talented (and also some less talented) footballers, as other big athlets, are not Sunday school role models. It is not always a disaster waiting to happen. Even Baloteli for us this year wasn't a disaster in terms of behaviour - he missed only one game due to his behaviour. Not even one red card. He was just awful on the pitch which is adifferent matter (maybe related to his lazyness as well though). And btw Ed001, the fact someone doesn't agree with you on something doesn't mean automatically his view is personic.

{Ed001's Note - sorry you really aren't reading what I said are you? You are talking about things that are not related to the issues. You are talking about them being knobs, not about their attitude towards the game. Suarez is a winner, his problems stemmed from trying too hard to win, not from the same source as Berahino's, which is showing off and being a lad. You are not understanding anything you are trying to talk about here and showing complete ignorance. All of the things you have listed are just irrelevant. You are making your whole point look even more idiotic by claiming Ronaldo's winking is anything like what Berahino has done. Ronaldo works at his game constantly. He wants to improve himself and win everything. It is completely unrelated and you are just making yourself look silly by connecting that to this matter. If you are going to just dribble on about this kind of stuff, then it is pointless having a conversation with you about it, because you clearly don't understand.}

19.) 15 Jan 2015
15 Jan 2015 11:41:20
Naaahhh I'll do that deal without blinking chris! Mark my words Berahino's going to be a top english player in the not too distant future

20.) 15 Jan 2015
Tell you what then, I will modify the suggestion in the the post that started all this conversation and say let's give Lambert, Borini and also Baloteli for Berahinho. Surely this way we replace trouble off the pitch with trouble off the pitch but at least get someone who can score on the pitch. I will be seriously happy with such a deal. Dosen't seem to happen though.

21.) 15 Jan 2015
Just in response to your rely to my last message ED001. I'm not sayin Liverpool should buy Berahino and nor do I want them to. All I'm saying is that in any walk of life that a person who makes mistakes, particularly when young, deserve in many cases the chance to redeem themselves and evolve as a person. In many cases this is just a part of growing up and maturing. I agree that I prefer Liverpool to sign players with a winning mentality and with proven good behaviour. It's very difficult to say that a young player who now has behavioural issues will continue to do so over the course of their career. Life is often about giving second chances. What makes this difficult in football is the money associated with taking these chances. Just my humble opinion and I certainly don't believe that my opinions are more developed than the great managers like Paisley and Mourinho, and indeed your own considered opinion which I respect

22.) 15 Jan 2015
I wasn't aware that Berahino was having any issues on the pitch nor on the training ground. I thought his issues were outside football.
I'd take him I think and if I could do it by off loading Lambert and Borini and no cash involved I'd be delighted

{Ed001's Note - the reason there is all the talk of him moving is because the Baggies are looking to move him on to raise funds. The reason they are looking to move him on, rather than hang on to him unless a monster offer comes in, is because he is acting a bit big time.}

23.) 15 Jan 2015
15 Jan 2015 13:10:20
Didn't he get in a fight with one of his team mates recently? Tbh think he is talented but isn't worth a £20m punt !

Just a question Ed about Rooney, have always heard mixed stories about his motivation/professionalism. When he is on the pitch looks like he is a born winner and has a real desire to win, but does that translate into training and off the pitch?

Always curious as remember when he was younger looked like he would be better then CR7 but obviously that never happened! So does/did Rooney put the same amount of extra effort and training to improve himself or did he not have that focus? Only say this as seemed to have peaked years ago and not sure if it is through injuries or not taken care of himself, but seems to have lost his athleticism rather early

{Ed001's Note - he is not as hard a worker in training as he is on the pitch. He is not the best trainer according to coaches who have worked with him. Not the worst though, by any means. I think he just loves playing but finds training boring, that is the way it seems from what I have been told.}

24.) 15 Jan 2015
You must have hated the spice boys era ed

{Ed001's Note - in some respects, but I love Roy Evans, he is such a genuine nice guy and fantastic coach. It did annoy me that we had knobbers like James wasting our time dropping clangers week in, week out and not being arsed to try and work on it in training. He was a joke.}

25.) 15 Jan 2015
Sadly I was a bit too young to realise what was going on at that point. Simply reading it sounds frustrating, when you hear of the pass the pound, and writing cheques for Roy to miss training etc.

I'd hate for us to go to anything like what I've read about in those days. We just don't need antics like that. Sadly I don't think there's much a manager can do in those situations. I think I'd much rather go for a Kane or Austin who seem keen to improve their game, and as far as I'm aware haven't had much off the field antics.

26.) 15 Jan 2015
15 Jan 2015 14:39:30
Berahino certainly has talent, but obvious attitude issues as Ed1 says. Unless he comes back down to earth sharp, he'll never fulfil his potential.
Currently he's maybe worth a punt at £10m ish, certainly no way near the 20 mark.

Although drink driving is beyond stupid, and I don't condone that one bit. I am maybe slightly sympathetic towards some of the young lads. I'm sure many did or do (like me) in their late teens/ early twenties love going out on the weekend and get lashed. These lads just simply don't have this option during the season particularly. Now that said, I would absolutely throw away that sort of lifestyle if I had the talent to be a pro footballer and was earning tens of thousands pounds a week. So I'm a bit torn when it comes to players like this, part of me thinks sure, enjoy your younger years like the rest of us, and the other part of me is just screaming 'what are you doing you absolute tool!'

Also I think many are missing Ed 1's point about attitude. He's pointing towards the kind of attitude that could ruin careers or how far they can go, as opposed to suarez like attitude that gets him in trouble because he constantly wants to be better and win.

27.) 15 Jan 2015
Balotelli? suarez? collimore? fowler with his sniffing coke celebration? how of earth is berahino worst than any of these players with attitude? most of our players had a bad reputation at some point > riise and bellamy? than the next game they both scored against barcelona and we beat them. Berahino reminds me of sterling. imagen having both of them with ibe coming in. amazing in my eyes

28.) 15 Jan 2015
15 Jan 2015 15:38:29
@Ed001: totally understand your point about players not being arsed to work hard, but how about Aguero? Hart said that he was lazy as hell in training, so do you think Paisley/Mourinho would have gone in for him?

{Ed001's Note - Paisley would have looked elsewhere, his laziness is probably the cause of his injuries, which is a good reason to steer clear of someone on double the rest of the team, I believe. There are players out there who can provide for the team and stay fit, such as Suarez, so why go for Aguero? Plus we are not in a financial position to get him anyway, so it is irrelevant.}

29.) 16 Jan 2015
Not sure how Origi or some of the talent in the u21 squad would make of us burning a larger hole in the bank account and yet another block to them seeing first team football.