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18 Jul 2019 14:29:11
Hi Reds and Ed001,

I'd love to read your opinions and analysis on what we need to take the next step in the PL i. e. beat City.

We only had 7 draws and a loss in the whole season, so clearly there isn't much we can do to improve.

Loss against City we can't legislate for because they are a great team. Perhaps Klopp could have played for a draw after Firmino equalised?

We can't blame bad luck. Yes if Stones hadn't nutmegged Salah (! ) when he cleared off the line, or if Aguero's goal against West Brom got cleared off the line rather than 2-3 inches beyond the line, or if referee had given Keita a penalty against Leicester, we could have won. But we had our own great luck at times- Mahrez missed pen, good luck with injuries to let players, Pickford the saviour etc.

What is it that we can do to go from a 97 points team to a 100 points team? I can only think of the failure to control games like Everton and Utd away in order to get that winning goal. Are fit Keita and Ox our answers to make that final piece of difference?

hhanif005

1.) 18 Jul 2019 14:41:49
Between us and city now, it comes down to pure luck imo.


2.) 18 Jul 2019 15:04:02
Salah, I can see why you would assume it is between us st City mate but it will be tougher this season to match or better what we did last season. Especially with City Spurs and the others all strengthening and us not. We need to avoid injury’s and of course a bit of look along the way.

{Ed001's Note - Spurs are losing players, I am not sure you can call it strengthening when you are likely to lose your best player. And I mean Alderweireld not Kane, as he is the most important and best player they have, but looks sure to move on. Unless they can convince him to stay they will not be stronger.}


3.) 18 Jul 2019 14:41:49
Between us and city now, it comes down to pure luck imo.


4.) 18 Jul 2019 15:09:34
Fabinho being there for the whole season will make a big difference. He's great at playing in balls from deep, people tend to forget he missed the first half of last season. Hopefully Ox's return, Keita adapting and Henderson being played further forwards will add goals from the midfield in order to avoid the number of draws we hand. Otherwise it'll come down to focus, drive and as Salah said, luck.


5.) 18 Jul 2019 15:13:38
Where do you see Alderweireld going, Ed?

{Ed001's Note - not sure mate. There are a lot of options available to him.}


6.) 18 Jul 2019 15:20:46
They have signed Ndomble though Ed who looks very good and possibly Ceballos and a few others they are looking at. I agree on Alderweireld but he is still there at the minute. Was meaning in general the clubs nearest to us from last season have strengthened, City, Utd. Done will laugh at Utd but AWB Maguire possibly Fernandes and a few others makes them a threat?

{Ed001's Note - Ndombele has only replaced Dembele a season late.}


7.) 18 Jul 2019 15:38:33
Cant we sign alderwield? I know we got gomez and improving matip, but surely he improves us.
I mean virgil and alderweireld ably supported by trent fab and robbo is a defence nobody wants to face.
No doubt gomez can be huge and matip has improved but alderwrireld just makes us unbeatable and hence bring the title.


8.) 18 Jul 2019 15:38:36
OP with all due respect, I am not interested in rehashing what happened last season. What we could/ should/ would have done in games X or Y to me is not the best way to approach the new season. For me, we cannot continue to replay games in hindsight like "had we controlled this game better, had Klopp done this or that, o the other in this or that game then. " cos it does not address the other games where we were extremely lucky to win or not lose. Football is not "If X then Y". This is why it is said that a season is full of highs and lows and you have to have more breaks go for you than don't.

What we must do is to learn from the last season on the things we know affected us like lack of FB options when our FB's were either injured or not playing well or more/ better options in attack which could have given us a better chance of winning more games, not that we would have won them. This will give us a better chance of those breaks that did not go for us last season, go for us this season. As for City, we could have beaten City twice last season and still lost the title to them by 1 point cos we have seen that before. Just my take.


9.) 18 Jul 2019 15:41:04
Just something I thought of hhanif005 - But you're also forgetting that if we don't get 97 points then we won't challenge. City will also need to be bang at it to pick up that many points again. I'm not saying that they can't or won't but remember not only would we have to attain a high or higher level again but so will they.


10.) 18 Jul 2019 16:46:22
GouldyTrueRed, I am of the belief that neither us nor City will get the same points tally as we did last season. I just don't see it but of course, I may be wrong.


11.) 18 Jul 2019 20:05:57
Expectations are far too high from every Liverpool fan (myself included) regarding points. How many times in the history of the prem has a team finished on even 90+ points? People need to remember that this isn’t Laliga. A relegation battling team can take points from the top teams.

City couldn’t quite replicate the 100 points from the previous season despite us not beating them like we did last season.
If anything I think this season will probably be a 90-92 point winner and people shouldn’t be disappointed if that’s it.
Other teams know how us and City play, as hard to stop as both clubs are it can be done. City had there own extreme luck come the close of the season, a 2mm goal, kompany with an absolute screamer when they where struggling big time (he wouldn't be able to replicate that if he tried) and loads more like we had our own luck like you said.


12.) 18 Jul 2019 21:13:31
Imo Spurs yes they're a decent team, very good overall but will they come close to the title? Nah not in my opinion, they're far behind Liverpool and City as are the rest.


13.) 19 Jul 2019 01:41:02
Brewster will add goals and assists.


14.) 19 Jul 2019 06:36:46
With regards to Alderweireld leaving, Spurs have basically gutted one of the best defences in Europe and patched it up with exceedingly average (or outright bad) players. It's no wonder they've gone backwards.


15.) 19 Jul 2019 07:56:31
Last season is in the past. It will have no relevance to this season. We could finish 20 points less off but still win the league. We could also go the full season unbeaten say 20 wins and 18 draws and finish outside the top 4. Last season we did amazing but it counts for nothing this season if we do not challenge again. We have no god given right to win things. Last seasons hard work means nothing this season. It’s a blank page and Klopp and the players will write their own story again.


16.) 19 Jul 2019 10:16:32
More points than them!


17.) 19 Jul 2019 18:36:48
I see us mantaining the same level as last year. I don't remember us being particularly lucky. Of course we had bits of luck, good AND bad. We just look so hard to beat. Any team has to beat our midfield, get past our defence and beat alisson. Each of those units are extremely good. I think we'll go one better this season.


18.) 19 Jul 2019 18:53:12
I agree akrubbish. I thought gomez looked great before his injury and matip won me over. i've always liked lovren. But apart from gomez, who is a injury worry, they don't fill me with confidence. Toby Alderwierald would make our back 5 the finished article imo.


 

 

10 Jul 2019 18:05:59
Not related to LFC but also not specific to any club so posting here- hope it's okay.

Do Eds or others know what recourse or disciplinary powers do clubs have if a player decides to go AWOL or in cases of gross misconduct? We have recently seen high profile players like Griezman and Neymar not showing up for training, throwing tantrums etc. What can clubs do to fine them? Is a fine limited to their salaries? What about the circa EUR 220m fees PSG paid to Neymar to terminate his contract with Barcelona? If players' behaviour leads to decline in value can the club sue it's players for losses?

We keep hearing of all kinds of behavioural issues with players. Drugs use and smoking, partying ahead of games, PR issues, criminal behaviour etc. Really curious whether clubs have any protection on their assets and financial liabilities.

hhanif005

{Ed002's Note - In terms of fines, in England a maximum of two weeks wages. And players can of course be sacked.}


1.) 11 Jul 2019 12:17:54
it seems as though players are doing this much more, laurent koscielny the most recent player to refuse to join training.

do you think we are going to see a bigger trend of players using these kind of tactics to get moves, or has it always been around.

{Ed002's Note - I hope not - many Premier League clubs have suffered from this blight.}


2.) 11 Jul 2019 12:18:57
Didn't Chelsea sack Adrian Mutu for failing a drugs test for cocaine, and then sued him to reclaim his transfer fee from him?

I don't know the outcome of the case, but I seem to remember something along those lines.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, Chelsea have sacked a number of players for seriously misbehaving.}


3.) 11 Jul 2019 19:34:42
Ed002, as someone who .................

{Ed002's Note - WRONG PAGE - THIS IS THE LIVERPOOL PAGE.}


4.) 11 Jul 2019 19:40:17
Fair enough Ed.


 

 

21 May 2019 00:46:26
Ed001, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom.

I heard about Arjen Robben leaving Bayern. Will be great if you could do a comparison between him and Salah. There is something similar about their play.

Thanks again.

hhanif005

{Ed001's Note - added that to the list for you.}


1.) 22 May 2019 07:33:05
Ed please add mendiz-laing to that list!

{Ed001's Note - ok mate added him.}


2.) 23 May 2019 13:11:45
Thanks Ed. You're a machine. I don't know how you churn out such depth of knowledge written so attractively on such a regular basis.

{Ed001's Note - lots of time on research mate that's all it is. But thank you.}


 

 

17 Jun 2018 07:17:17
A discussion about VAR.

I know a lot of people here are not convinced by it but it is an idea which is growing on me. What really tipped it for me was a moment in Portugal vs Spain- the first Spain goal.

Sergio Busquets played a long ball to Diego Costa who won it from Pepe in an aeriel duel. In the usually horrific circumstances for Pepe there was slight contact between Costa's arm and his face and naturally, he went down as though he'd been hit by a pellet bomb. Now, had there been no VAR, I am sure the referee would have called a foul, but having the ability to bring the play back to review allowed him to let play go on. Costa got the ball and as he was trying to get his shot away, the fatally decapitated Pepe realised that the play was not stopping and he was alive after all, so he got up and ran to stop Costa. In that moment it became clear to the referee that Pepe was playacting. So in this case, the mere presence of VAR was enough to prevent an act of cheating from having scuppered a great goal from Costa.

I know the system isn't ideal but clearly there are some great benefits to be had from it. In addition to above, it's great to know that the result of a crucial game will not be determined by an opponent's cheating or a mistake by the linesman. Those who are still not convinced, what would you do to fix it given that it's the future of the game.

hhanif005

{Ed001's Note - while I don't like Pepe and he did make far too much of it, that was a foul and it is just as likely to be given under VAR as it would have been without it.}


1.) 17 Jun 2018 08:16:12
I am all for using video to improve refereeing but I still wish they used a review system instead of the current method. I just feel it's going to lead to refs using it as a crutch. I was amazed the ref didn't immediately give Peru a pen against Denmark and, instead, waited for the VAR system to alert him to the fact.

My worry is that the onfield ref will just become a mouthpiece for the video refs with little authority themselves.


2.) 17 Jun 2018 08:47:32
I thought it was a foul too. Detest Pepe tho.


3.) 17 Jun 2018 09:03:14
I thought it was a foul myself and thought that incident was indicative of the flaws of the system: humans are still making the decisions - humans are fallible and humans see things differently from one another. It was a similar story in the Australia game where I thought the defender touched the ball onto Griezman but VAR awarded a pen. It might stop absolute howlers (and even that is not a certainty) but contentious issues will still be rife. Also don't like how players are already clamouring for the VAR in games nor the way it slows games down. I'd rather the referees where just respected much more irrespective of mistakes - it would empower them and give them a platform to referee better.


4.) 17 Jun 2018 09:10:42
We talk about refs decisions now we talk about var, what's changed. A good example is I 100% didn't think Griezmans was a pen yesterday but there will be many who thought it was.


5.) 17 Jun 2018 09:30:29
I was in a bar full of people who didn't think that greizmans was a penalty and we were struggling to see how it was a "clear mistake" allowing VAR to overturn it. Argentina should have had a penalty in the later game that the ref didn't give and VAR didn't intervene, it still doesn't give consistency it's just another guys opinion sat behind a screen. Drogba, Neville and the other pundit on BBC had 3 different opinions on that Greizman pen so it must be difficult but I thought that's why it had to be a clear and obvious mistake for them to get involved. I also think that certain players will learn to initiate contact so that it looks bad under slow motion cameras, France were disgusting for all their play acting yesterday.


6.) 17 Jun 2018 09:41:52
What I like about VAR and other similar systems in rugby and ice hockey is the players cannot wander up to it and influence them like they do with refs on the field.

Unless governing bodies are going to get more strict about players approaching the ref they need to use VAR.


7.) 17 Jun 2018 09:43:48
The one for Australia agaisnt France - the clear handball by umtiti - is how it should be used. It was clear and obvious and they didn't need 3/ 4 looks to see if it was a foul. Just a quick glance and it's a clear pen. The France penalty people are still debating now - the refs decision should stand.
The bit I don't like is what the OP said, letting the play GK as they know they can go back. The refs should make the calls as they see them, not let everything go as they have a chance to review it.


8.) 17 Jun 2018 10:04:14
It was a foul but I'm glad it wasn't given because Pepe is a notorious play actor and I hate the way players roll around.


9.) 17 Jun 2018 10:55:55
It was a stone wall foul and I couldn’t believe people saying it wasn’t a clear and obvious mistake. He didn’t nearly know him out or anything but it was an arm to the face that clearly knocked him off balance having jumped for the ball.


10.) 17 Jun 2018 13:24:00
It was a foul.


11.) 17 Jun 2018 17:41:56
On another occasion the ref would allow his whistle too early.


12.) 17 Jun 2018 17:42:47
The 'clear and obvious error' moniker was coined by Mike Riley and it stuck. It's not actually on the protocol. He used it as a means to explain its use so that people would understand, and true to form, it's all that people focus on.

I have been sceptical of VAR in it's current form in the UK, but seeing how they let the game flow in the World Cup, even when a decision is imminent, has really impressed me. Players will get used to just getting on with it and playing to the whistle. Obviously not all decisions will be 100% correct, but more will be and any improvement is an improvement nonetheless. Also, there is less harassing of the referees, minimum delays (or delays at suitable times) and a consistency can be more easily maintained. So far, the World Cup usage has changed my mind.


 

 

04 Jul 2017 16:29:45
Hi Ed002, thanks for all your input.

From what you say it almost seems like tapping is a systematic strategy employed by the club to drive prices down. If so then this is even worse than the manager bumbling along tapping one player after next of his own accord.

I understand we don't want to be too specific about LFC for libel reasons but are footy clubs historically known to use tapping systematically and if yes what's the biggest punishment they have received (if any)?

Or have I misunderstood totally and the decision to tap is made spontaneously for some other reason?

Thanks again!

hhanif005

{Ed002's Note - I don't think it is a club strategy. It was only one person who briefed a few choice members of the press.}


1.) 04 Jul 2017 17:21:39
Eds 002 do you think klopp is in danger of losing his job over his tapping up antics?

{Ed002's Note - No but he is embarrassing the club and making things difficult for the owners.}


2.) 04 Jul 2017 18:16:12
Who was that person?

{Ed002's Note - Klopp.}


 

 

 

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11 Sep 2019 07:32:53
What Fekir is saying makes no sense. On one hand he's complaining about the lies about his injury and his family (presumably the "pseudo-representative" is his family), and on the other, he's saying he has no ill feelings towards Liverpool. Something's not right.

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29 Jul 2019 21:14:36
I think he meant Pepe Reina as back up keeper.

Lol what do I know he means. Just trying to make sense of this bizarre post.

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15 Jul 2019 11:40:07
Making predictions is a foolish idea but I just think Mane is not a galactico. He's extremely shy, and I think his position in our team is perfect for him where he's properly recognised as a match winner and a terrific player, but he goes about his business with minimal media attention and spotlight. I fully expect that he's very content with the life at LFC.

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14 Jul 2019 14:45:33
Thanks Ed002 for clarifying. Do you think they are still interested in Mane for this summer?

hhanif005

{Ed002's Note - Yes. They want a left sided forward and interest in another option has faded.}


 

 

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14 Jul 2019 13:55:10
I don't think Hazard will appreciate playing second fiddle to Mane. Also Junior plays in the same position for Real also.

hhanif005

{Ed002's Note - But that is not where Hazard will be playing.}


 

 

 

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10 Oct 2019 14:33:33
It's his opinion, he can say anything he likes.

Though in the interest of cutting down the BS from our airwaves we should be allowed to throw eggs on pundits who make ludicrous claims that turn out to be wrong.

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08 Oct 2019 20:56:52
Thanks Ed for clarifying. Seems fair.

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08 Oct 2019 16:25:25
Ed002, Coutinho's situation raises the interesting question whether clauses contingent to performance, such as the number of appearances or winning of certain trophies, are honoured if the player goes on a loan to another club? For the purposes of performance clauses on player sale, do appearances for the loan club count as an appearance for the parent club?

hhanif005

{Ed002's Note - No, if a player is surplus and wants out, being sold or loaned raises no questions and obviously does not count as credit toward appearances for Barcelona. Everybody understands and nobody has any complaints about it.}


 

 

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08 Oct 2019 16:27:11
Him or Son from Spurs? Hmmmm can't decide.

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07 Oct 2019 13:35:52
For years and years LFC fans have been giving each other ear bleeding with ranting over star players leaving and that we are a selling club and the owners are greedy **** etc. 1 major trophy later, we have become obsessed by the idea of selling Salah, our most talented player.

If we are to go through a period of success like Man City did, we need players like Salah, Mane, Firmino Alisson and VVD to stay for the long haul and do for us what Silva, Aguero, Yaya Toure, Zabaleta and Kompany did for City.

Let's aim to win all the trophies with the squad we have. Give them the longest possible contracts. Make them feel like they are at the best club in the world with the best fans. And when they start ageing then think about bringing in young players so they can transition over to the new blood gradually (a bit like David Silva is doing at City) .

hhanif005

{Ed047's Note - I’ve been amazed to see Liverpool fans saying they’d sell Salah, it’s like, really? Are you off your nut! 🤷‍♂️