23 Nov 2017 15:00:47
Look, i was as angry as anyone when sevilla scored that third but after calming down, okay its not ideal, but it does happen. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. Its the champions league. These are teams as good as if not better than us. Almost every game is a 50/ 50. If this was burnley or bournemouth then yes i would be worried but sevilla are a good team.

Ultimately i think this embarrassing amount of moaning and knee jerking is the typical modern day football fan response. The reason for this is that all fans of the big clubs expect success. They only see other teams as stationary obstacles to be overcome.

The truth is, behind every victory, defeat or draw, there is another set of fans who have the exact same emotions as we do. People seem to forget this. So if we are 3-0 up against sevilla, do you not think sevilla fans are thinking their defenders are embarrassing and their team needs a kick up the arse? They probably are. On the other hand we thought our team were amazing, rather than sevilla being poor, and from our perspective that was why we scored 3 goals. However i doubt you will see fans of sevilla demanding their whole defence be hung drawn and quartered. If we had come back from sevillas position to make it 3-0 we'd be saying how we are the best thing since sliced bread, not how awful sevilla are.

In a nushell, all the teams we come up against are trying to be as competitive as us. We do not have a right to win every game. We do not expect to win every.

1.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 15:04:40
Good post.

2.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 15:11:49
Good post AW!

3.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 15:21:19
Well said - we have no god given right to win every game and yet we react to every defeat (or draw) like we need to replace half the team. We deserve to have high expectations but that is not a license to knee jerk at every result, but to take everything in context.

That context for me is we drew in the CL away from home when we deserved to win. but that after a few great games where we looked a solid side with good balance and scoring 3 goals a game. let's take the lesson and move onto Chelsea and do better.

4.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 16:51:18
AS, so are you saying fans don't expect team to win every game? Ok, hi fellow reds, let's hope we draw or lose chelsea. Let just be happy to beat everton, norwich, and bottom 2 clubs. anything more it's bonus.

5.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 18:31:44
Hi Woolback. Sevilla are a good side and recruit very well. But we should be beating them over 2 legs. I agree any team can have a bad game or a bad half, but already this season:

we stank first half v Watford
we were poor against Burnley and could easily have lost at the end.
second half v Newcastle we were poor
we were less than useless the full game v Spurs
Man City we lay down and got butchered.
we were crap second half v Sevilla
In the Capital cup we were pathetic

That is too much second rate football in the the first few months.

6.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 19:47:55
Sorry i accidentally pressed the post button when i wasnt finished. Yes mark that would be called a period of poor FORM. And you know else has periods of poor form, who lose games, who perform below par? Every single top team in Europe. Barcelona and Madrid are regularly undone by la liga sides far worse than some of the sides in our division and yet they're on a different footballing planet to us.

The point of my post is that we are not the centre of the universe and everything revolves around us. Every team we win, lose or draw to has the exact same set of emotions as us and expectations. So when we get a good resut against a team like city or spurs, they 'could' or 'should' have beaten us on paper, like us against sevilla - but we will be far too busy praising our own players for playing well.

After every single game the pundits always always focus on what a team did wrong, rather than what the oppositon did right, and always speak in terms that sound as if every single team should win every single game, every top team should be winning trophies, and anything else is unacceptable. Modern football logic sucks.

7.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 19:54:42
Be nice to win more than one trophy every 10 years. You like many others on here just accept second best. Sorry that's wrong 4th or 5th best. I have had enough of failure, grow a pair will you.

{Ed025's Note - success comes in cycles mark, the 80,s it was the pool, united and arsenal have had their turn and so have chelsea, its everton next season and then spurs but city are the top dogs now..liverpool are not due until 2036 and i will be 78 by then mate.. :)

8.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 20:23:13
unless we fully accept that we are a top six team rather than a top four team,
Klopp has not made that much difference to results, yes we are exciting at times, but yes we are awful at times too, we came up against both Spurs and Man City, and it was painful,
Seville are a very good team also, and we couldn't beat them in both games,
its a big test for Liverpool V Chelsea, it will be very interesting, and maybe worth even more than the 3 points .

9.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 20:08:51
Everton next season huh Ed025? When you get promotion back to the BPL by winning the Championship right? That's the closest sniff the blue reserves of Merseyside are getting to silverware.

{Ed025's Note - stranger things have happened IB...oh no they have,nt.. :)

10.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 20:39:56
hi Ed025,could be something to do with money?

Liverpool have the makings of a really good side and its so bloody obvious what is wrong. We spent £100m on forwards and minus £20+ million on defence players. I am just frustrated mate.

{Ed025's Note - i know mate, but look on the bright side mark...you could be an evertonian..

11.) 23 Nov 2017
23 Nov 2017 23:04:07
Relaxlabrudder. I don’t think any LFC fan wants Liverpool to lose so that’s a bit of an overstatement. I. e of course I want Liverpool to win against Chelsea Saturday but if I’m being honest I don’t think it will happen. Can we win? Of course we can, but realistically I think it’s more likely to be a draw or they win. I think as fans we have the right to feel frustrated when throwing away a 3 goal lead, not only because of the loss of a healthy lead and not closing out the game, but also because of the manner of the loss. Our own mistakes cost us as they often do. I genuinely can’t remember the last time a team beat us purely down to outplaying us. Southampton last year maybe? Can’t remeber. City this season being they closest recent example but we were down to 10 for the majority and were giving them a game before then. Spurs - stupid individual errors from Dejan lost that game in the first 10 mins followed up by some shoddy work from Migs. Sevilla was similar, Moreno had a mare for the first two goals and Klavan has to clear that last minute corner away. We are our own worst enemy more than any other team.

12.) 24 Nov 2017
24 Nov 2017 08:44:06
Haha ed don't you mean 178, i don't think i will see lfc win another title in my lifetime, i was a little baby the last time we did and i wish i was able to see it happen once. Nobody wants to see out defence hung drawn and quartered but let's be brutally honest here, its been woeful sinch hypia retired and the club as far as i have seen have refused to buy anyone of note to make it a semi solid unit let alone a good one.

Until klopp or whoever decides to spend what it takes results like midweek will always happen. As soon as they scored i felt a collapse coming, im just thankful there was not enough time for them to win it. It is not morenos fault, he does not pick himself and his manager is fully aware of his limitations.

I expect another strong season but ultimately trophyless. Its a shame but its not entirely unexpected though is it?

{Ed025's Note - i would say not IAC,i must say that i have seen some great liverpool defenders in my time, the likes of hansen, hypia, lawrenson et al not to mention the likes of jimmy case, tommy smith and ron yeats who were genuine hard men mate, they will be before your time though but im sure some of the old codgers will remember them,.