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12 Dec 2017 08:51:32
Rumors of Lemar popping up again. Torn on this potential deal. Will probably have to spend nearly all the Coutinho cash on Lemar and get a quality player to boost our first team but again we could go out and buy better defenders by selling Coutinho and giving Woodburn and Ojo more chances instead of splurging on Lemar. Hope Klopp gets this decision right.

Indian Buzzer

1.) 12 Dec 2017 09:44:46
Sorry but unless you want to challenge for the top four and push for the title I’m sorry but kids with potential won’t cut it. I’m all for giving them a chance but if we’re to compete with the teams above us in the league we also need to compete with them in the transfer market.


2.) 12 Dec 2017 10:08:34
I really think Lemar is the ideal signing to replace Coutinho. Comfortable out on the left where Klopp likes to deploy Coutinho. If Salah is going to stay more central like the last few games then Mane can go back on the right where he looked more lethal last year than he has on the left this year! Genuinely believe this signing would help the team immeasurably.


3.) 12 Dec 2017 11:45:20
Were are these rumours popping up again please IB? I no Ed002 said in the Sharkopod we have interest mate but a deal would be hard to get done.


4.) 12 Dec 2017 12:29:30
Fenton, Lemar's form this season worries me. Maybe because he is not giving his 100% after Monaco sold half their team and showed lack of ambition or he has not been able to adjust with his new team mates. But the money being touted around to sign Lemar is just plain ridiculous. I can understand spending 50-60 million pounds but close to 90 million? He is not worth that much.


5.) 12 Dec 2017 12:41:42
Indian in todays market mate that's the price you're going to have to pay unfortunately. I'm not saying I think he's worth that much but I think he's our best option out there if Coutinho leaves! Regarding his form, I trust Klopp to get the best out of any player so that doesn't worry me.


6.) 12 Dec 2017 13:08:06
Like him, but definitely not done enough to suggest he is a 90m player. Yes in today's market 50-60m but think if 90m is asking price we need to move on. There is still mane's and salah out there for far better value.

{Ed025's Note - they wont be asking you to contribute coco so dont worry about the price mate..


7.) 12 Dec 2017 13:51:13
Lemar shouldn't be the priority! Need defenders first.


8.) 12 Dec 2017 13:45:05
Lol Ed025. Your reply to Coco just made me spit coffee on my laptop screen. You owe me one laptop screen cleaning solution.

{Ed025's Note - i will put one in the post IB mate.. :)


9.) 12 Dec 2017 13:56:27
Ed025, Are you aware were or why this has surfaced from again mate today?

{Ed025's Note - not really KR, liverpool will always be associated with good players mate and he is certainly one of them..


10.) 12 Dec 2017 14:55:07
I would rather we raid Leipzig again for Forsberg.


11.) 12 Dec 2017 15:09:34
Thanks forthe reassurance Ed025 Haha I was getting worried it would near empty my account. (I wish)

{Ed025's Note - you save your money coco im sure the club dont need it mate..


12.) 12 Dec 2017 15:48:46
Cheers ed. I just wish I knew what was fact and what is fabricated mate.

{Ed025's Note - im sure we will find out presently KR mate..


13.) 12 Dec 2017 17:31:51
Yes mate im sure we will. I was kinda hoping you might know mate lol🤔.

{Ed002's Note - I can tell you that whilst in Switzerland and Monte Carlo that another English club have been talking to Monaco about Lemar and another matter in the past couple of days.}


14.) 12 Dec 2017 18:47:32
Ok Ed002. Thanks. You did say there is plenty of interest in him and a deal would be a hard one to get done. Especially if other club ate already making advances. Not likely then by the sounds of it.

{Ed002's Note - There is interest in him from a number of clubs.}


15.) 13 Dec 2017 03:53:02
We won't be getting Lemar. Pretty confident about that.
Someone like Draxler looks a more realistic and like for like replacement for Coutinho (if he leaves in January) .


 

 

26 Sep 2017 15:44:41
Hey Ed001, have we shown any interest in Lascelles or Lejeune of Newcastle? You said Klopp wants 2 CBs by next summer of which I assume one will be VVD. Maybe one of the two Newcastle Cbs would be a good options for us considering they would be cheaper than the alternatives bandied about and from what I have seen of them, they seem disciplined enough to be effective in a high line.

Indian Buzzer

{Ed001's Note - not recently in Lascelles, before he moved to Newcastle we were interested, but not since. As for Lejeune, he was being watched by a lot of clubs, we certainly looked at him, but it was Arsenal (if I remember rightly) that Newcastle beat to his signature.}


1.) 26 Sep 2017 16:06:29
I can't see were you said this ed about Klopp wanting 2 new CB's by next summer?

{Ed001's Note - the plan originally was one this summer, one next, to give Gomez a season to see if he was worth developing rather than buying the second one. That was what I actually said.}


2.) 26 Sep 2017 16:51:05
Ok mate. And were do you think we are at now? Still wanting 2 in? Bloody hell its already sounding like another rebuilding job mate next year replacing Couts, Can and 2 CB's already lol.

{Ed001's Note - right now I think Klopp would just be glad to get one in!}


3.) 26 Sep 2017 17:28:45
Agreed. Possibly in Jan?


4.) 07 Oct 2017 07:58:54
Can is replaced with Keita, Couts might not be leaving but otherwise yes I guess there will be full rebuild in the defenxe wich will take time to adapt after .


 

 

14 May 2017 05:50:37
Is it true we have signed Robertson? Bit of a bummer imo. Never really stood out for me in the Hull side but hope Klopp knows what he is doing.

Indian Buzzer

1.) 14 May 2017 08:36:36
Whether it is true or not, Robertson is one of Hull's best players. Surely will be an upgrade on Moreno? Might not be the player everyone wants but he will have the opportunity to prove that he is capable of wearing the shirt. At the end of the day, we need a LB. Whether Roberston is the answer is yet to be seen but no point in shooting him down if he has not even kicked a ball for LFC.

Our signings should be based on bringing in players who are better than what we currently have and not singing the next player to make him our next highest earner.

If Robertson does join then good for the lad. As long as he wears the shirt with pride and gives it his all for the club on and off the pitch. That is what we require from our players. Nothing more, nothing less.

{Ed025's Note - some really good positive stuff from you today max...you must have got your conkers last night mate.. :)


2.) 14 May 2017 08:52:56
Ed025, there is nothing wrong with being negative, as long as there is substance to it.

This is our biggest match of the season. 3 points dropped today and whatever we do vs Boro will unlikely have any relevance.

Now we have people moaning about a 23 year old Scot we might have signed. What is wrong with our fans?

In Liverpool’s eighteen title winning seasons, there has always been a Scot in the team :-)

{Ed025's Note - some will always look on the bleak side max and maybe thats how they vent their personal frustrations, for me liverpool have had a good season and are on the verge of completing what im sure was the original goal of getting in the top 4 mate..


3.) 14 May 2017 09:14:44
Where is the robertson news coming from? Any truth? If he is coming let's get behind him!


4.) 14 May 2017 09:19:02
He's a descent young player with room for improvement, if he had an exotic name or came from another league abroad people would get excited about the possibility. Give the guy a chance and get behind him if he signs!


5.) 14 May 2017 09:09:16
max

I have to admit that I have seen Robertson play, but in my eyes its not just about bringing in players who are better than what we have, as getting someone better than Moreno is hardly a hard thing to do.

Bringing in players just because they are better than what we have has been our problem for years.

What we should be aiming for is bringing in players who are gong to take us to the next level and challenge for the league title and also players that will cope with the champions league (all being well) .

Is Robertson that sort of player?

{Ed025's Note - liverpool are not in the financial position to buy all "worldies" lavers, sometimes you have to take a punt on a few so called lesser lights who you hope fit into the system, the likes of dele alli and VVD have stepped up to the mark and there are plenty more out there who can do the same, add to that the odd youth player who can come through and for me thats the way forward, its also the liverpool way which has brought them great success in the past mate..


6.) 14 May 2017 09:52:01
Ed

I'm not stupid enough to think that we can go out and spend 80-90 mil on every single player we buy, but to me our defence is our main problem area and i think that is where most of money this summer should be spent.

I'd rather sort the defence out first before looking for more attacking players.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with that lavers but i also see a goalscorer as a priority mate, liverpool create a lot of chances and they are not being put away..


7.) 14 May 2017 10:14:32
Am I missing something here? We're already signing players although the transfer window isn't open yet?
Is this some sort of pre-signing agreement or has silly season already kicked off?

{Ed025's Note - there are such things as pre-contract agreements flash but i dont believe this is the case here, but inquiries can be made outside the windows mate..


8.) 14 May 2017 10:03:25
Who is VVD? I'm having a mind blank.

{Ed001's Note - Virgil van Dijk.}


9.) 14 May 2017 10:56:53
Lavers, when have we brought in players better than what we had in transfer windows going back?

I do not believe there are even a handful that can be mentioned. Our problem has been signing players at ridiculous fees and wages and replacing what we have with either overpriced or high wage players.

Like I said, Robertson will not be the fan favourite when it comes to signings if it had to be true but surely cannot be worse than Moreno who is struggling to make the bench.

Klopp has done one thing right, each player he has signed permanently so far bar Grujic due to injuries have had a more than decent amount of playing time in the first team this season whereas previously we would sign a players paying way over the odds for them and other instances send them on loan or see them leaving without hardly kicking a ball for us.

If Robertson does join then so be it. In my humble opinion he will be an upgrade on what we currently have available and will not be taking a massive chunk out of the club finances. Having Milner at LB who now clearly has been a stopgap as one of your highest earners is the reason why Liverpool have continuously failed in the transfer market. That is why signing someone like Van Dijk will be yet another unforgettable act of gross negligence.

No more expensive and mind boggling mistakes, we cannot afford to be gung ho in the market anymore and if we want to start building a squad capable of achieving success then their needs to be sustainability.


10.) 14 May 2017 11:48:58
Max

Like you said Robertson can't be worse than Moreno who can't make the bench.

Just IMO for a problem area of the team where we have had a midfielder play all season we need to aim a little higher than that.

Your right we do pay stupid amounts on players but the selling team know we are desperate so they up there price.

We need to aim for players with winning mentalities that can push us up a level.


 

 

11 Mar 2017 06:51:01
Hey Eds, is LFC continuing to watch Leandro Paredes? I believe he would be a useful signing with his passing range and help break down stubborn defences which our hard running mids like Lallana and Gini have failed to do.

Indian Buzzer

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any efforts at this time.}


1.) 11 Mar 2017 13:12:29
He must have been well scouted as we were trying to sign him in Jan. Just depends if he's up for a move.
Would he get a work permit ed, in your opinion?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool made no offer in January. He would however likely be expensive enough and have wage demands that would ease the passage for a work permit. I don't see any issues if Liverpool were to make a move for him.}


2.) 11 Mar 2017 18:37:23
Thanks ed002 😘.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Ron. He is available and was offered to another club as part of an exchange deal on two separate occasions.}


3.) 11 Mar 2017 19:32:58
I ve watched Paredes in 4 games now due to liverpool link and I just don't see it. He looks a fancy playmaker but in the games I watched he looked pretty useless defensively. both positionally and tackling ability. He goes to ground every single tackle even when it is not needed. pretty cowardly if you ask me. If he plays our defensive midfielder god help us.

Likelwise while I agree he looks good on the ball did very little really in the games I watched.

Honestly I think he's all wrong for the premier league especially but I'll take it from those who have seen more of him if I have misjudged him. I really hope so if we are after him.


4.) 11 Mar 2017 21:42:49
Davey he is more of a midfield playmaker than a destroyer. Your assessment is one of the more accurate I have seen. He certainly won't sit back and protect the defence. Maybe he could be coached to do that, but what a waste of his skills on the ball that would be.

He is very good on the ball, and likes to make little driving runs to get his side forward quickly and open up space in front of him, which he then has the vision to exploit.

As you quite rightly say though he is not that great defensively. He is a bit rash in the tackle and due to his forays forward he gets caught out of position at times.

He is definitely a good player though. He has a pretty wicked shot on him as well; even from dead balls. I think he could do well in the Premier League but I don't see how he fits into our midfield 3. He would give Klopp options though as he could play alongside Henderson in a midfield 2. I think he only becomes an option if we sell Emre Can though.


5.) 12 Mar 2017 02:05:09
I think it's fairly well accepted that Klopp needs to work on his "midfield 3".
Whatever letter of the alphabet you wish to place on Paredes' position. the fact remains he is a player who moves the ball quickly whether long or short.
He is the complete opposite of Emre Can in that respect.
He also has superb vision and can pick a pass which others don't see.
He has a great shot on him and takes corners and free kicks.
Compared to Naby Keita, Paredes is a world beater. Keita is a ball winner, his distribution is average. He's ok at 2 yard sideways passes. Keita offers very little more than Can.
We need more than little short passes across the midfield, we need players with vision. Paredes would be a huge upgrade on our current midfield. Keita would be more of the same - loads of possession and no penetration.


6.) 12 Mar 2017 12:12:50
I wouldn't bite the bullet on that though. I am not sure but everytimeI have seen him play he looked like a proper number 4. Just ahead of the CB's and carrying forward. If he could do a job at the back then I am happy to buy him coz he is excellent on the ball not many hard core DM ain't though.

Disagree on Emre Can's replacement criteria with you MK. We simply do not need another B2B attacking midfielder. Can was played as a DM hence his replacement should be the deepest lying midfielder.


7.) 12 Mar 2017 13:07:43
I largely agree Ron. That is primarily what makes him an upgrade on Can. His instinctive passing and movement doesn't ever look forced. He is a natural footballer. He is everything we wanted that young 20 year old Emre Can to become, and more. I do feel Can was badly let down by Rodgers and Lowe, who both wasted his early years of development playing him in defence.

As you also pointed out Ron, Paredes is a set piece specialist which is something we lack, to put it lightly.

I think he is a good player for sure, but that widely accepted view on the need to adjust our midfield set up would need to be actioned by Klopp. In our current system, Paredes doesn't have the discipline to play Hendo's holding role, he doesn't have the stamina/ power to play Gini's box to box role, and he doesn't suit Lallana's slightly more advanced position. Obviously Klopp could try Paredes in a midfield 3 with a different role in the team to any of the above, but then it has a knock on affect to this whole fluid front 4/ 5 that we have going on. Maybe it could work, but I am not sure on that one.

If Klopp was to put Paredes alongside Henderson in a classic central midfield pairing though and push Gini/ Lallana on a bit to play anywhere in a 3 behind the striker (where they both have previous to score double figures anyway) then I could see Paredes being an absolutely brilliant signing for us.

Paredes was tried in a defensive midfield role at the base of a diamond by Empoli and it really didn't flatter him. His creativity was wasted, his goal threat was stifled, and he gave away a lot of silly fouls picking up a lot of yellow cards in the process. He just doesn't have the awareness or the discipline to play the role. Yet as an all out attacking midfielder he would likely be starting from a position too close to opposition territory. His strengths are driving into opposition territory so I don't know how he would cope with having to find space in between the lines as Lallana or Coutinho can do. That is not something easily taught.

Is he potentially good enough to justofy breaking up the system we have spent all season perfecting? Possibly, but it couldn't hurt to have alternative options in the squad anyway and Paredes is a specialist at opening up defensive teams from the midfield.


8.) 12 Mar 2017 22:31:48
I disagree with most on here as I think Keita would be a better fit. He would just sit in front of the back four, he has a better passing range than given credit for. If Hendo and Wijnaldum/ Lallana knew someone was always behind them they would have more of a licence to push further forward. If Keita covered then other players could do the attacking stuff.


9.) 13 Mar 2017 05:14:59
Sadly looks like Keita might have some serious health issues - hopefully he is ok.


 

 

10 Mar 2016 13:57:24
Hey Eds, any truth in the rumors linking LFC with Jonas Hector and Timo Horn, both of FC Cologne? Apparently the club had scouts watch them quite often this season. Quality players both of them imo. Would be significant upgrades on Migs and Moreno.

Indian Buzzer

{Ed002's Note - There is known interest in Horn from another English side but I am not aware of any interest from Liverpool at this time. Hector would be a very odd choice if Liverpool were interested - he is very much a defender who doesn't get forward much.}


 

 

 

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30 Nov 2017 04:27:55
So what did everyone think of young Solanke's performance last night? Personally, I was happy with what I saw. Some great link up play with Bobby and was unlucky not to be on the scoresheet. Held his won against brutes like Shawcross and Martins Indi.
Glad that Klopp has kept it slow with Solanke and OX to let them adjust to the style of play and keep expectations modest. Credit to him for that.
But the defense? Shocking again. Yes we kept a clean sheet but MIgnolet was awful yet again. Get rid ASAP. LOvren and Matip yet again unconvincing against high balls into the box and we were lucky Allen left his scoring boots at home. Sort it out Klopp ASAP.

Indian Buzzer

1.) 30 Nov 2017 05:25:57
What you mean by sort it out ASAP. We will need to scrap through December and buy someone in January. Let’s hope our front three keeps on scoring. Karius will play only in CL matches.


2.) 30 Nov 2017 06:17:32
really didn't think it was that bad. individual scary moments for sure, but they recovered and migs also claimed a fair few crosses and corners that he hasn't normally come out for.

The area of the game I feel less confident about is our ability to manage a game. that isn't just the role of the defense as they are just the backline. so many times in 2nd half stoke would break past our midfield time and again. it was more about positioning from what I could see, but equally we are yet to be a solid unit, that leaves me worried!


3.) 30 Nov 2017 06:24:57
Harry, changing personnel will not bring back defensive solidity. Yes, we have another month to navigate before getting an opportunity to sign better defenders but Klopp should be telling our CBs to grow a pair and be more brave.
And there were some really bad moments (individual errors of course) that can be cut out by improving concentration and confidence. On another day, the result could have been very different.


4.) 30 Nov 2017 08:01:11
IB, you are way OTT on your assessment of the defence. We were at Stoke who hoofed the ball for all 90 mins. What were you expecting? For there to not be hairy moments? I agree that Migs nearly cost us the game and why Klopp persists w/ him, is a Dear Jurgen question. However, the defence was very good yesterday and to a large extent kept Crouch quiet.

The problem yesterday apart from Migs, was again the midfield. There is something inherently wrong there. Wiji and Can played the double pivot in CM and for the life of me, I could not understand what Can was doing. He went walkabout so many times, lost the ball needlessly and left Wiji on his own to shield the back 4. This is why Allen was able to ghost in and almost score cos there was no one tracking the runs from deep. That is the issue now.

I know slating the defence is low hanging fruit BUT IMO, they would not have been to blame here had things gone south. They were good if not great. As for Solanke, I think his perf. was encouraging and Klopp managed the game well by taking out Ox who on a yellow, would have gotten wound up by Martins-Indi and could have gotten sent off. Good win and we move on.


5.) 30 Nov 2017 08:25:51
Telling our centre backs to be more brave and grow a pair? Just a hunch, but I suspect it isn't as easy to remedy as that.

{Ed001's Note - especially as that was not the issue.}


6.) 30 Nov 2017 08:52:59
Sort it out means play Gomez and ward now until Jan atleast.


7.) 30 Nov 2017 08:54:35
On the original comment - liked Solanke. Did very well for his assist to keep the ball and use it well surrounded by players and pressure. Really should have scored his chance though or at least worked the keeper more. Earned more starts for me.


8.) 30 Nov 2017 09:24:17
Thought he done well. Should really be burying that opportunity he had thou like people above said, straight at the keeper.


9.) 30 Nov 2017 09:32:05
Very promising from Solanke. Clever little touches and was so gutted for him he never scored. Comments areVery harsh on cbks I feel they did well last night and mignolet was in fact the main worry. Easy to just say the should do better! Far better cbks than ours over the years have struggled with high floated crosses into 6ft 7" Crouch! Also credit to Lovren who wasn't going to be in the squad Untill Klavan illness and had to play through pain.


10.) 30 Nov 2017 09:35:49
topbusiness atleast check out what your going to say you can't call for players to be played straight away when they are injured, indian buzzer you start with a good question topic ie what you think of solanke then go straight back to your assassination attempts, only ope other team in the league stopped that team scoring at home, now i think we do need changes in back and midfield but if you take away the 9 goals conceded in the spurs and city game we have conceded another 9 in 12 ganes and if you do your maths right that's less than a goal a game (0.75 goals a game) so as bad as our defence is there is some good there.


11.) 30 Nov 2017 15:09:24
I thought that Solanke did really well on his debut, he is only 20 yrs old, he fitted in quite well,
he did rush his shot, but once he gets his first goal, he will be much more tuned in,
I can see a big future for him at Liverpool .


12.) 30 Nov 2017 18:18:46
Why should Ward play ahead of Karius, TB? He is inexperienced at this level while while Karius is playing CL footie (and should be starting in the PL but that is another story) . Ward has not shown that he can hack it at this level, like it or not. Cos you think a player is better does NOT mean he is. He will have to prove himself here or elsewhere in the PL so we can see for ourselves and judge him.


 

 

28 Nov 2017 02:34:48
Question for anyone who has seen Ojo play recently:
Does the kid have what it takes to play for LFC and challenge the likes of Mane and Salah? I know he can score and runs at defenders but is he known for putting in shifts to help out the midfield?
And what about Kent?
If the loan moves actually benefit these two, I would hold off splurging big money on Lemar or Draxler next summer to actually give these kids a shot at challenging Mane and Salah for the wide positions.

Indian Buzzer

1.) 28 Nov 2017 06:07:47
It's a tough topic this one because until both Ojo/ Kent are given a subsequent time in the first 11 then I don't think we'd find out but there no doubting both there quality in the attacking 3rd but after watching both I'd say Kent has the better work ethic in terms of getting back and helping defense. When it comes to both Lemar and Draxler I wouldn't hold off splurging big money on either of those 2 simply because they can both play in a number of positions, in the 3 in midfield either side, in the hole behind the striker on out wide in the attacking 3 which would suit us massively. But if we were looking at a player that identified themselves solely in 1 position then I would hold off because of the players like you say we have within the ranks i. e Kent and Ojo.


2.) 28 Nov 2017 09:05:45
Basically no. Which is very unfortunate. Just my opinion of course.


3.) 29 Nov 2017 10:50:58
The likes of Mane especially cannot play 70 games a season (with internationals), they will have injuries and need resting and using properly. The likes of Ojo and Kent may not be good enough to mount a genuine challenge for their spots, certainly not yet. But with a bit of coaching and game time, they will be as good as anyone we can buy to provide that back up considering how slim the chance of buying someone who can compete with those two is. And when Mane and Salah are hitting the 30's and becoming injury prone and losing pace (maybe) by that time Ojo and Kent (and Woodburn and Wilson) will be hitting their prime and might have the ability to take the mantle over.


 

 

07 Nov 2017 06:53:55
What's the plan for Grujic? Someone mentioned he is been used as a defensive midfielder in the under 23 team. Smart idea considering there are too many B2B midfielders at the club already.

Indian Buzzer

1.) 07 Nov 2017 07:49:26
He played in the holding role for the u23's in a 3-1 victory over Manchester United. He was arguably the best player on the pitch as well.

I agree, it would be very clever to develop him for the position now when he is young enough to grasp it. Could be a masterstroke, could back fire. Hopefully it's the former!


2.) 07 Nov 2017 08:10:01
I really hope we see more of him cos if he leaves he will be one we regret letting go I guarantee.


3.) 07 Nov 2017 08:58:48
The club should then persist with the CDM role for Grujic. Could save us having to splash out on a specialist CDM in the summer that Klopp may not even play regularly. Grujic is not going to start ahead of Keita, Lallana, Gini so maybe he could prove a worthy challenger to Hendo for the CDM role.


4.) 07 Nov 2017 08:59:31
Harry no need to dramatize it mate. We signed a 19 year old who had not yet established himself as a certain kind of midfielder.

What is wrong with a 21 year old playing in our u23's, getting the odd first team cameo, and working on becoming a specialist for a certain role?

You are right, we have no idea what position he will be used in going forward. You rarely ever do with young players though. You shouldn't confine them to one role at a young age because you might find that your rubbish left back develops into a brilliant winger. Gareth Bale?

There is no rush. Grujic has time on his side, and he is learning new things. Leave him to it and stop heaping unnecessary pressure on him to be playing first team football and know his best position.


5.) 07 Nov 2017 10:17:33
You've lost me now Harry. You just quoted me and tried to claim it was your own post?

Grujic is a kid. Not every youth player develops at the same rate as Raheem Sterling. We all knew Sterling was special from day one. That doesn't mean Grujic is a bad player though.

You say the club has no idea what to do with Grujic as if we should already know the position a 21 year old will play for the next decade.

Gerrard started at right back. Henry on the wing. Lucas in attacking midfield. Bale at left back. Kompany was a midfielder. Ederson was an outfield player!

Again, you're obsessing over player roles. Grujic has another 2 years before he (and Klopp) needs to know who he is as a player. There is no need to start whittling over what type of midfielder he will be. Let him develop into whatever he will be in his own time. So what if he doesn't become a £50m player? He pretty much cost nothing in the world of football.

Chill out mate 😉.


6.) 07 Nov 2017 10:24:49
Good post mate but the only thing I would say it's that the players you offer as a counterpoint were mostly playing first team football already. I hold my hand up, I haven't fact checked my own claim either but it's how I remember it in my own head. I would certainly like to see him stay though and break into first team.


7.) 07 Nov 2017 10:41:11
Grujic was called the new Matic in Serbia so hopefully he'll become as good a DM.


8.) 07 Nov 2017 10:50:54
To be fair Umbilical, they were all playing in worse teams than our current side though.

Grujic has still managed a few sub appearances this season and played the whole game in the League Cup. Just getting on our bench at 21 takes some degree of quality when you see how massive the squad is.

Different players develop at different rates anyway. If Rodgers had understood that, maybe we'd have Suso and Gulacsi in the team instead of Milner and Mignolet ☹ Klopp seems more patient. He gave Kevin Stewart until he was 24 to prove himself for us. He isn't rushing the likes of Ward, Origi or Kent out the door either; instead giving them chances and loans to develop and prove themselves.

Grujic may be a slow burner. It might be hard for him to adapt as well. Those i listed may have been playing more regularly in the first team at 21, but they may have been in countries where they knew the language fluently? Grujic also needs to adapt to no longer being so much physically stronger than everyone else on the pitch like he was at youth level. Now he is up against men, his physicality alone isn't enough.

We as a club have got to learn to be more patient. I'm glad you say you would like to see him stay and provide him with the chance to break into the team. Some fans just want shot of anyone who isn't a £50m player by 21 years old. It's sad that football has gotten that way. I honestly don't think a legend like Carragher would've made it at the top level if he had come through 20 years later. He was terrible at the start of his career. Patience paid off though.


9.) 07 Nov 2017 11:28:16
We paid £5m for him 😂 how is that over the top for a player rated highly across Europe?

I'm also pretty sure he wasn't signed with the thought "we'll sell him for a 900% profit in 2 years". He has been signed for a long term future at the club. In the short term, he is not quite ready to be a first team regular, but so what? He's 21 for god sake.

Danny Ings was not expecting to leave either so you've made that up. He is still recovering from a very long injury lay off, and wants to stay and fight fir a Liverpool future. Danny Ward also wants to fight for a place at Liverpool long term. Under previous regimes he'd have been sold 3 years ago to a club in League 1 or 2. Klopp has given him chances to go on loan and play in our first team though, whilst working with better coaches at Liverpool than he would have in the football league, and he has become a far better player for it. Ward hasn't had enough first team chances for my liking, but he's had more than the likes of Gulacsi ever got. Ings and Ward will probably both get another loan move in January. Klopp is being patient with them despite their age. I honestly don't know why you'd bring them up. They don't support your point at all. Were they £50m players at 21? No. And yet somehow they are still at the club and still might have a future here. It's hard to even decipher your point to be honest. Though it looks like you're just taking a cheap pop shot at FSG, which is completely u related to this thread.

You are talking about a load of nonsense, not "the business point". We don't buy players to sell them for a profit. We buy players to develop them and compete on the pitch. If they think they've outgrown us and force their way out and we make a profit, then that profit is just collateral for us losing a good player. When we lost Sterling, we went out and signed Firmino for an absolute fortune. If what you were saying was true, and the club are just buying young to sell and make money, we'd have pocketed £45m from the Sterling sale and used the £5m left to go and sign someone like Nathan Redmond. Like Southampton do.

FSG constantly get these ridiculous, uneducated accusations thrown at them. We have an astronomical net spend since they took over. Only City, United and Chelsea have spent more. I feel like you're just ranting and deflecting now. How on earth have you gone from Marko Grujic playing DM for the u23's, to questioning the clubs ambition?


10.) 07 Nov 2017 11:54:26
Just to pick up on a few other points actually Harry. Grujic was not ignored, he was injured. Whenever he has been fully fit during his time at the club, he's been involved with the first team and made cameo appearances.

As for Brannagan, he played the other day for the u23's in a 7-0 win and is also still just a kid. His issue now is that Ejaria, Woodburn and Arnold can all play positions he plays in and are more highly rated. He was probably supposed to go on loan in the summer but he got injured.

You're making things up, again.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark here; you're upset that Coutinho is leaving aren't you? So you're pointing the finger at the club for signing young players to make a profit because Coutinho joined for £8.5m as a teenager, and then we are selling him for in excess of £100m when he asks to leave. The problem with your argument is Harry, we sell the likes of Sterling and Coutinho because they want to leave. Not because we want to sell them.

All of the money will be reinvested. So your point is mute buddy. And i still don't really know why you chose to bring it up on this thread by making a lose comparison to the Grujic situation.


11.) 07 Nov 2017 12:00:24
Harry what are you on about? Paid over the tops? He was cheap by today’s standards. Who expected him to hit the ground running? Only you most likely. Even the Ed’s said we was well sought after but not ready for first team football. How did Klopp ignore him? He was injured for a lot of the time and obviously struggled to get up to fitness. The team requirements has now changed so seems like a good idea if we can develop Him into a role which fulfills our needs.


12.) 07 Nov 2017 12:28:11
Well said Swish cleaner. It's all about developing players into what you need. No point in coaching the whole academy for the same positions, or for positions where they have no chance of a career at the club.


13.) 07 Nov 2017 12:50:57
Talking rubbish AGAIN Harry! Totally agree with you MK. I can’t even be bothered to write any more on the matter though as it falls on deaf ears with Harry and MK your wasting valuable moments if your life trying to explain to him mate.


14.) 07 Nov 2017 13:00:09
You expected a 19 year old playing in the Serbian league to hit the ground running in the premier league, despite being injured nearly all season?

You're right Welshred84, i really am wasting my time here!


15.) 07 Nov 2017 13:34:42
I see sideways has a point.

If only he had agreed to his father and continued his development he would have been better off.

He has been stagnating for 2 years now. Injured or developing in reserves from a first team locally.

Cheers.


16.) 07 Nov 2017 14:55:30
So if he doesn't ever play in the first team as a regular, that means I'm wrong that it was ever the plan for him to play for LFC? But then go on to say he wasn't signed to be a reserve player? You are just contradicting yourself now. You're argument has more holes in it than a crumpet (that's a British delicacy by the way) .

The long term plan for every player at every level of every club is to get them into the first team. Football is not a wish granting industry though. If you don't make the cut, you get moved on. The plan for Grujic is and always has been for him to be a first team regular one day in some capacity. Just like it is for every player at LFC right down to the 6 year olds in the academy.

My only argument throughout this whole thing has been that writing Grujic off indefinitely is ridiculous. I'm not sat here telling everyone he will definitely make it at LFC as a first team regular. I'm just saying he still has a chance. You on the other hand are acting like a know it all, claiming your opinion that he won't make it as a fact. Then you follow it up with "come back in a year" knowing full well nobody is childish enough to actually bother doing it if you do turn out to be wrong.

Everything is black and white with you. Grujic might not make it at LFC, but it is far to early to completely write him off. Why can't you accept that there are grey areas in football? There are no guarantees. It is a game built on foundations of subjectivity with an infinite number of variables.

You bring up Ibe and Allan; Why? Ibe was a better youth player (up to age 18) than Sterling hands down. Anyone who watched them both as kids will tell you that. At 16, Ibe was scoring a screamer for Wycombe seniors. Sterling had not even stepped onto a pitch at senior level. However, Sterling developed later on at around 19-21 years old to surpass Ibe, whilst Ibe stagnated at about 19 and stopped developing. Your example yet again just proves my point that players develop at different rates which is why you can't write Grujic off. As for Allan, what on earth does he have to do with anything? He can't get a work permit but that is completely unrelated to anything we've discussed.

I'm not trying to bring a calmness or relief over anything mate. I'm just asking you to stop with the hyperbole. You go so over the top about your views, stating them as facts, that it makes you seem arrogant. I have never seen you use the phrase "in my opinion". You just make statements as though they are non-debatable and occasionally write "FACT" at the end just to really wind people up.

What i don't get is how your point has now morphed away from Grujic being a failure for not being worth £50m at 21, to slagging off the clubs transfer policy, to now slagging off the way it gets the best out of its youngsters. You are so easily side-tracked that it makes coherent debate with you nearly impossible mate!

Liverpool and every other team in England with an academy mainly signs young players (some of which leave us for profit), and Liverpool does have a poor recent history of developing some young players. However, the very fact that we sell a lot of players at a profit proves that we do occassionally get it right with youngsters! Added to that, the fact that we have signed players who were already the finished article is just further proof that the club doesn't just sign kids hoping to make a profit.

A) We are trying to sign players to win on the pitch (Salah, Keita, Ox, Robertson) so clearly not just kids (Solanke) . 4 out of 5 summer signings were senior players. If we had got Van Dijk as well it would've been an even greater percentage. Although perhaps you think we were willing to pay £60m for Van Dijk so we could sell him for £180m in 3 years time when he is nearly 30?

B) Not all youngsters at the club fail, or else we wouldn't have improved the likes of Sterling and Coutinho so much so that we could get £200m for 2 players who cost £9m combined.

So morph your point into something else because you're still stating subjective views, which can be easily disproved, as though they are concrete facts.


17.) 07 Nov 2017 18:31:53
Harry posts a whole lot of stuff but says a whole lot of nothing. I have read this thread and all Harry is saying is that cos Grujic has not made the progress that he only, would have liked for him to make, he will be a flop if he does not make the first team. It is the typical myopic thinking that has dogged his comments on these boards.

Everything is black and white with him as NO grey areas or context exists in his posts. This is why he hates Klopp and Hendo. Cos Klopp does not do what he thinks Klopp should do, he is useless and should be sacked whenever that is. Cos Hendo does no play the same way a past or non LFC player of his liking plays (Alonso, Fernandinho, Dembele, Dier etc), he is crap and must be sold, as if these players don't pass sideways when they play. Like Welsh said, you are wasting your time MK.


 

 

02 Nov 2017 22:20:35
Joe Gomez called up to national squad for games against Germany and Brazil. Fingers crossed he gets a shot at CB to see how good he can be. Even if he makes mistakes (learning curve), it will be good to see him rub shoulders in his favoured position against some of the best and show if he is ready to be a regular CB at Anfield. Could save us some money on an extra CB we may have to buy.
Good Luck Joe!

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14 Oct 2017 22:56:13
Any chance of Keita coming in January? OUr current midfield looks so pedestrian and unconvincing. We have 3 "jack of all trades and master of none" midfielders who inspire no confidence going forward or in protecting the defense. Keita has to be an upgrade on all 3.

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1.) 14 Oct 2017 23:31:53
He is indeed an upgrade, a massive upgrade. We'd have to pay more I think should we want him in January (somebody correct me if I'm wrong there) - He won't be coming in January in my opinion, let's wait for the summer, concentrate on getting a decent CB in January, that's priority right now.


2.) 15 Oct 2017 02:43:34
I don't think the defence is as bad as made out. A better GK and a CM who likes to defend and they will look much better. I don't think we will do much in January. Maybe VVD if possible but I don't expect 3/ 4 first team additions if any.


3.) 15 Oct 2017 04:25:24
Priority should be signing a CDM and a couple of CBs. No point signing a new GK till Karius and Ward have been given a fair shot. VVD, De Vrij and Nzonzi will make our defense much more composed and solid.
In Jan, its imperative we get in at least one CB. The rest will and should be sorted out in the summer.

{Ed001's Note - why De Vrij? He is very slow and injury prone from what I have seen.}


4.) 15 Oct 2017 04:38:53
Because he seems to be the most realistic option right now, and there is a good chance we sign him due to his contract situation. And he can't be any worse than our lot can he (when he plays)? Just want an upgrade in the CB area, that's it. In a dream world, would be Manolas and Alderweireld but we all know that's never going to happen.

{Ed001's Note - so you just want change for change's sake, rather than making sure they are better? That is how we ended up in this mess, managers buying players who were not better than what we had, just to change things. De Vrij is realistic because he is not that good. We could realistically get a lot of players who are no improvement but that is not a reason to buy them.}


5.) 15 Oct 2017 05:07:30
DE Vrij is better than Lovren and Klavan from what I have seen (which was 3-4 years ago though) . He looked way more composed and solid for his age than Lovren and Klavan do now when put under pressure, that's for sure.
I know that we have not scouted properly before buying in the past, but we need new defenders now. The current ones have had more than enough chances and they continue to make too many schoolboy errors. Its time for a change, whether good or bad coz chances need to be taken on new recruits than persisting with what we know are already average players at LFC. Migs has been at Anfield for 4 years running. Does that mean there are no better options we can take a punt on?
De Vrij will be dirt cheap and worth taking a shot at.

{Ed001's Note - De Vrij has lost his way mate, injuries have robbed him of a lot. Honestly I would not see the point in buying him, he makes Klavan look pacey and he cannot be relied upon. We do not need new defenders, we need better defenders, that is where you are going wrong. Change is not a plus, stability is something we need more. Players can develop a partnership over time, so you do not change just for the sake of change, you change if it is going to improve things. If people would grow up and stop being such spoilt children, tried showing some patience, then we would be in a much better place. I won't hold my breath, as you will still be on here every single time we don't win screaming for new players.

Obviously you are not even able to take the lesson from your own posts. A replacement was bought for Migs, the change you so desire, yet you all got on his case, so he had to be dropped. Now you want to do the same to the defence to set us back even further. Nice one.}


6.) 15 Oct 2017 05:40:24
I did not get on Karius' back. I still strongly feel he should be No.1 or rotating with Ward while Migs gets the boot.
And the CBs have had enough time to gel. Its not working, its obvious. I am not advocating De Vrij but if the club is targeting him, then Klopp obviously believes he can be a solution to our defensive conundrum. And he obviously won't be the only CB targeted. Seems Klopp wants both VVD and De Vrij.

{Ed001's Note - if you say so. More change is what you want, rotate keepers. I give up, this is pointless, modern day fans deserve nothing. You are not advocating, yet you just spent this thread telling us how De Vrij would improve things, yet clearly you have no idea whether that is true or not. This is just ridiculous. The cbs are not gelling because of the injuries, they are simply not getting time to gel because they are all in and out of the side, now you want to bring in someone who has even more injuries to fix it. You can't even figure out what I reply anyway, just talking about how you personally did not get on Karius' back, like that is in any way at all relevant to the point I made.}


7.) 15 Oct 2017 06:15:57
Lovren and matip have only lost 1 game where they have started together, it's getting them starting together that's the problem.


8.) 15 Oct 2017 06:42:25
Redmick

“. Lovren and matip have only lost 1 game where they have started together. @

Yes thanks to our forwards who scores equal amount to bail them out!

{Ed001's Note - yet you all say our forwards are unable to score. Which is it? Seems you all just want scapegoats and haven't actually got a clue.}


9.) 15 Oct 2017 06:52:32
I am sorry I have never questioned about the front 3. They are the only people that actually functions. My worry has always been a medicore midfield and awful defense!
Give me 38 1-0 and I ll happily take it!

{Ed001's Note - haven't you? You must be the only one who hasn't recently. Everyone else is whining they are not scoring.}


10.) 15 Oct 2017 07:23:32
They are shouting at forwards simply to mask the defense and midfield who constantly bottles week in week out!
Rafa won two league titles at Valencia playing 1-0 football. The pressure on the front 3 is immense every week! They are doing triple shifts due a piss poor defense and medicore midfield! Our CM’s together have scored a MASSIVE 1 goal in between them. The team is not balanced hence we rely on GOALS! No wonder we have the worst GD in the league inspite of scoring 20 goals this season!


11.) 15 Oct 2017 08:00:05
Spot on, Ed. Tth even listening to. They think that cos a player is realistic, then he must be better or he must be better cos he does not play for us. De Vrij is injury prone as he is just returning from a nast injury himself and pace is not his strong suit. How would he cope in a a quicker and faster and more physical league where we play a high line? These fans can't answer that as well cos you know, we should just sign 'insert CB here" even tho he does not improve us.

This is why I backed Klopp for not signing a CB just for the sake of it. If that CB does not improve us, these same people will be coming on here saying he should have just kept the money and waited for his real choice to come free. See how that works? People are simply interested in being right w/ o using any type of reasoning or understanding from the manager's point of view. Klopp wants improvements, NOT STOP GAPS. If you cannot understand that then, no one cannot help you.

Harry, we will not be playing like your god Rafa anytime soon and invoking him every time is pointless and of no consequence. His time has gone and he is history. Leave it be.


12.) 15 Oct 2017 08:48:48
Bingo I understand what you're saying about Klopp wanting improvements and not stop gaps but aren't Roberston, Klavan, Ox and Karius stop gaps as none of them can break into Klopps starting 11. Even Matip has been called a stop gap by Ed 01. I also agree that we shouldn't have just bought a centre back for the sake of it and we need to identify the correct one to play our system and improve us. What I don't understand is how Klopp and his coaching / scouting team only identified VVD as that only player in world football. We held out for the whole window and never actually put an official bid in. This is not a Klopp out post as I love the guy but he and some of the players are not bullet proof whilst others always seem to carry the can.


13.) 15 Oct 2017 09:12:12
FWIW, Id be far more concerned if we weren't creating chances than I am about not finishing at the moment. The tide will turn, the goals will come.


14.) 15 Oct 2017 21:13:30
Jayden, Ed has explained the reasons why VVD was the only one Klopp wanted. You can disagree with that BUT that is the reality as we all know that good CB's are rare and those who have them DON'T sell. The reason I believe that Klopp just could not find a viable option apart from VVD was that even City w/ all their money, needed a CB and had to settle (that's right, settle) for Johnny Evans. Do you want Johnny Evans at LFC? I don't. The thing is that you don't have to agree with a decision to understand the reasoning behind it.

Klopp's reasoning is backed up by facts as LFC have spent years buying players who are poor just to fill a need and we all complained about it. Klopp has stopped that and people are still mad. Klopp is not bullet proof and I have my gripes with him as well (tapping up, late subs., GK rotation for no reason, Migs should be canned etc? BUT I don't slate him w/ o understanding the reasons behind his decisions. That is the difference btw m and many on here who just think things ar black and white with no grey areas of which in footie, there are many. It is what it is, I'm afraid.


15.) 16 Oct 2017 20:41:20
Good reply that Bingo. Only just realised you had replied to my comment yesterday mate otherwise I would have replied sooner.


 

 

 

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Fenton, Lemar's form this season worries me. Maybe because he is not giving his 100% after Monaco sold half their team and showed lack of ambition or he has not been able to adjust with his new team mates. But the money being touted around to sign Lemar is just plain ridiculous. I can understand spending 50-60 million pounds but close to 90 million? He is not worth that much.

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Terrible defender imo. Has anyone seen in his performances this season? Don't know whether terrible is an apt word or should I just say he is plain c**p?

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So sell three hard working squad players and sign a disruptive flake who will want to start ahead of our front 3? And that too for an obscene amount of money? No chance unless Salah leaves in the summer.

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13 Dec 2017 03:50:42
Naby is only 22. People are expecting him to deliver world class performances on a consistent basis which is just unfair. He did not choose his price tag, LFC did and Naby deserves time to develop into a world class performer that his talent merits. Just look at Modric, Vidal, Kante who found their footing in their mid twenties.

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You seen how hard Klopp and FSG fought to keep Coutinho at the club last summer? Now imagine how resilient they will be to keep Salah who has more productive numbers in his first 4 months at the club that Coutinho could not produce in 5 years.
Salah ain't going anywhere for a good while yet. Expect a bumper pay rise next summer and if we challenge for trophies hopefully he forgets about Real for good.

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12 Dec 2017 08:42:20
Exactly RedEka. let's just sign one CB in January and see if that has any impact on the performances of our current ones. Who knows, all 3 may step up their game and we would not need a complete overhaul in central defense after all.

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