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18 Jan 2018 08:40:52
Strong rumours we are trying to sign Emerson Palmieri from Roma. For anyone wondering why we would be trying to sign another left back, Emerson has a few more strings to his bow.

Personally, I've always thought his future lies on the left of a midfield or front 3, where his skill, attacking intent and direct style of play can be more beneficial and less risky. At left back, all of his best attributes are stifled. Think of him as the left footed Trent Alexander-Arnold!

MK Scouser

1.) 18 Jan 2018 09:40:21
Isnt it Roma have who have a young left back they see as a big prospect not Palmieri which would be an indication of their willingness to sell?

{Ed002's Note - Roma are selling players for a different reason than having any you prospects.}


2.) 18 Jan 2018 17:35:11
Fair play Ed2 cheers.


 

 

16 Jan 2018 12:57:01
Anyone seen what Bordeaux manager said? Basically said Liverpool are in the frame for Malcom.

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - Malcom's representatives were in London and spoke to two sides - neither of which were Liverpool.}


1.) 16 Jan 2018 13:26:04
Yes Ed but didn’t you realise Malcolm himself was in blackpool?


2.) 16 Jan 2018 15:35:23
Cheers Ed. Perhaps it was a ploy to make Arsenal cough up more money. Or perhaps the Bordeaux is a Liverpool fan trying to do us a solid 😂

Does seem weird he'd specifically mention Liverpool. Not that I'm that fussed. Malcom is a decent enough player, but he's not good enough to have an immediate impact on our team. At 20 he has time on his sides, but he's not a lot better than the likes of Nkoudou, Lacazette, Gomis, Martial or Origi who have all come to England with big reputations and under-whelmed.


3.) 16 Jan 2018 15:40:22
Please tell me you didn't just put origi in the same bracket as martial and lacazette 🤦🏼‍♂️.


4.) 16 Jan 2018 16:11:07
Typical Malcom, he's always in the middle lol.

{Ed025's Note - love it verdo..


5.) 16 Jan 2018 16:12:34
TBF Benny none of those named have done well upon their arrival to the league in comparison to their expectations.


6.) 16 Jan 2018 16:23:04
Yeah. origi miles better.


7.) 16 Jan 2018 17:02:47
Benny, all i meant was that they've all come to England and not lived up to their individual expectations. Even Hazard hasn't. He scored 30 goals for LOSC and yet he's never even made 20 goals in his 5 years in England.

I think the last player to come to the UK from France and not even remotely let everyone down was Kante or Ibrahimovic. There are done top talents there to be fair, but they usually take time to settle and never reach the heights they did in Ligue 1. Lemar and Malcom would be in that category for me, but then i thought Lacazette would adapt well and he's had a shocker.

I'm not even saying it's a bad league, but a lot of players find it comfortable there, and then Struggle when moving to England, Spain or Germany.


8.) 16 Jan 2018 17:42:03
MK Hazard's biggest total for Lille was 22 in all competitions. The closest he's come is 19 in 14-15, not far off.

Hazard has easily lived up to expectation, Martial I'd argue has had ups and downs but has proved himself a good player. Origi has shown himself to be what he was a £10m pound striker, decent not spectacular.

Lacazette is suffering some poor form but give him some time, he's as much a sufferer of the state of Arsenal football club as he is taking time to adapt.

I don't think it's far to just lump all these Ligue 1 players in the same bracket and say "look! they're not that good! "


9.) 16 Jan 2018 20:04:08
To be fair, that's not that far away Imred. I thought he scored more than that in his last season at Lille but i stand corrected! Still though, the fact he's never replicated a goal tally he hit at about 20/ 21 years old in nearly 6 years is disappointing if you're a Hazard fan.


10.) 17 Jan 2018 12:10:18
you can't expect players to come from different leagues and replicate their goal tally. this is the most competitve league in the world and Hazard has proved he is one of the best players in the world. If he scores 100 goals a season in China, comes to England and only gets 20, does that mean he's underwhelmed?


 

 

11 Jan 2018 14:01:21
A couple of things missed in the Macca furore.

1) Matthew Virtue has joined Notts County on loan. Carra can you add him to your loan watch? I'm interested in how this goes for him. In recent years we've had Rossiter who had the ability but lacked the physicality, and Coady who had the physicality but lacked the ability. Well Virtue has both and looks far more balanced than Ejaria. I think he may be the first credible midfielder the academy has produced since Jay Spearing. Obviously Spearing never really took off with us after a couple of seasons as a first team regular, but Virtue has as much of a shot as he did. I just hope the loan goes well and he doesn't get injured. His potential is huge. He's a powerful box to box midfielder for anyone interested, who from the age of 18 has been dominating teams at u23 level. Time to see if he can do the same against players as big and ugly as he is.

2) InformaBetis (Spanish media) are reporting that we've agreed a deal in principle to sign 24 year old Danish left wing back, Riza Durmisi, from Real Betis. I believe Durmisi once played alongside Daniel Agger at Brondby, so this may have legs if Dagger has put in a good word for us! He's extremely effective going forward.

MK Scouser

1.) 11 Jan 2018 14:15:17
If Liverpool really have signed Riza Durmisi then that means Robertson's days are numbered, and he hasn't even been at the club a year. Well see what happens, I honestly doubt we would sign a left back so soon after bringing one into the club, but much of what our club does tends to puzzle me.

If Durmisi does sign, however, then that is a clear indication that Klopp had zero interest in Andrew Robertson. Which begs the question. why even sign him in the first place?


2.) 11 Jan 2018 14:23:02
LFC mango. unless Moreno is leaving?


3.) 11 Jan 2018 14:23:21
I'll let you in on a secret MANGO. Durmisi has scored two goals this season; both against Sevilla. He saves his best performances for them.

Moreno on the other hand, is absolutely bloody useless against Sevilla. So if we have Durmisi to cover any future games against Sevilla, Moreno is no longer a liability and can play the rest of our games 😂

In all seriousness, it would be a strange one. Don't shoot the messenger though!


4.) 11 Jan 2018 14:34:05
The Spanish article says that he is Moreno replacement.


5.) 11 Jan 2018 14:43:22
Will add him to the list MK.

Loan updates returning after this weekend.


6.) 11 Jan 2018 14:28:10
Wouldn't be surprised to see Moreno leave now his best bud is gone.


7.) 11 Jan 2018 15:02:54
Klopp loves Moreno and has trusted him to be our first choice left-back this season and, to be fair, he has put in performances to show that Klopp was right in his decision. No way is Klopp getting rid of Moreno, no chance.

If anyone is being removed it would have to be Robertson, although I doubt anything will happen regarding a left back. This sounds a lot like useless paper talk, another name to add to their hundreds of players linked to us.

I suspect we will sign one player in January and nothing more. Save the cash for the summer where options may be more able to leave their club, rather than halfway through the season.


8.) 11 Jan 2018 15:47:07
Nobody touches Bobby's new dance partner, Moreno ok. Lose Moreno, lose Bobby.


9.) 11 Jan 2018 15:57:35
Come on MANGO get serious, saying Klopp Loves Moreno so much and will never sell him is just mad. Why wouldn't he sell a player if he feels someone better is out there? There are plenty better Left Backs than Moreno out there and Klopp would know that.


10.) 11 Jan 2018 16:42:45
Can’t ever recall Spearing being a regular.


11.) 11 Jan 2018 17:42:45
In 2010/ 11 Spearing made 20 appearances, and in 2011/ 12 he made 25. Spearing was used in a lot of games. Gerrard played 24 and 28 games in those 2 seasons. That's just 7 more appearances across 2 years. So if Spearing wasn't a regular, you might as well say Gerrard wasn't either?

In my opinion playing in half of your teams games makes you a regular first team player. Fair play if you disagree.


12.) 11 Jan 2018 17:52:53
Maybe Moreno was useful to klopp as pips buddy so there's no need to keep him now.


13.) 11 Jan 2018 18:03:49
One of Kent’s big mistakes was playing Spearing, especially in the Cup Fonal against Chelsea. Decent player but just not good enough for where LFC needed to go.

Pushing him because he was a local lad when he was not up to LFC standard is not the answer. Same for Coady and Flanagan too. For a local lad to break through at Anfield you have to be top quality, eg Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler, Owen and hopefully TAA.


14.) 11 Jan 2018 18:12:37
Not read all the posts but have you seen how well Coady is doing at Wolves as their captain? Certainly not lacking in ability. They're playing about the best football outside of the top 5/ 6 in this country and you could argue better than a team or 2 in the top 6 too.


15.) 11 Jan 2018 18:50:14
MK-I see he made 11 prem appearances in 2010 amd 16 the year after. Not sure how many he started but I wouldn’t class that as a regular (although more than I remember)


16.) 11 Jan 2018 19:11:13
Why does it matter what competition or whether he started? I can't help but think you're splitting hairs here mate 😂 it's not like that was even my main point. It seems like the only thing we're debating is how we both define "first team regular". For me, that doesn't mean he was a regular premier league starter, just that he was a regular for the Liverpool first team. He was nearly always in the match day squad which to me makes him a regular first team player. Anyway, we're going to go in circles!

He was the last academy midfielder to come through and play a key role in our season though. Coady, Rossiter, Brannagan, Ejaria etc all only made a handful of appearances in early cup rounds, and odd sub appearances. Spearing actually started in midfield for us in the FA cup final against Chelsea.


17.) 11 Jan 2018 19:16:16
Lucas was playing really well that season and got injured against Man City, in December. Spearing only played the 2nd half of that season because of Lucas injury. Not a regular, more of a squad player called upon.


18.) 11 Jan 2018 18:20:07
My post should have read Kenny, not Kent. Also, Bretzteke I agree with you about Coady. He is playing well now and has improved a lot. But when he was being pushed because he was local he was not good enough at the time.


19.) 11 Jan 2018 18:20:41
Is ten minutes a game a regular?


20.) 11 Jan 2018 20:08:36
Durmisi is not good enough to play for Liverpool. I am danish and i've watched him quite a lot, for Betis and the national team, where he lost his place to Jens Stryger Larsen, who is nothing but alright.


21.) 11 Jan 2018 22:37:49
can’t believe you guys are arguing over what classes as a first team regular, and to make it even funnier, Spearing 😂.


22.) 11 Jan 2018 22:54:42
People forget how bad Moreno really is.


23.) 11 Jan 2018 23:54:30
Could the mystery signing be Aguero?

{Ed033's Note - You mean Ken?


24.) 11 Jan 2018 23:58:53
Cobra, you're right to a degree, he got 20-25 games in the 10-11 and 11-12 season (11 and 16 in the league) under KK and Roy.

Adams point is that, outside of Jay Spearing, there hasn't really been a central midfielder come out of the academy since Gerrard who's had more than a handful of games for us.

Fingers crossed that Virtue can make the step up in seasons to come.


25.) 11 Jan 2018 23:39:54
Some bizarre arguments on here.


26.) 12 Jan 2018 10:28:59
Zeddicus, thank you for not nit-picking at everything i post and for using common sense to extrapolate my point without debating terminology! 😂.


 

 

20 Dec 2017 14:29:34
Hi Ed002. Apologies if I've got this wrong, but i recall you said after or maybe even in the last Sharkopod, that there would be an updated one in December?

Have i got that right? If so, is it still the case and when can we expect it? It would be awesome to get an update, but i appreciate it is the holiday season and you have a lot of mother in laws to visit!

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - I have a bunch to do MK - Arsenal, Spurs, Everton so maybe after that. There may be a need to do so EuroSharkopods as well.}


1.) 20 Dec 2017 14:46:03
Cheers 02. Your work is appreciated as always!


 

 

25 Aug 2017 13:41:43
Can't reveal who told me this as I've promised not to say, but AOC has today told Arsenal he wants to sign for Liverpool this summer and will reject all contract offers they make. It's just down to Liverpool to make an acceptable offer to Arsenal and AOC now which it is expected will happen.

Information comes from a corporate box regular at the Emirates but that is as far as I'm willing to elaborate.

Ball is In our court now. Let's hope LFC don't balls up again.

MK Scouser

1.) 25 Aug 2017 13:54:18
I hope this is true because AOC will definitely be an upgrade over Milner.
With Klopp talking about moving Milner to midfield, I'd rather have AOC play there. Milner is horrible in the midfield.


2.) 25 Aug 2017 14:03:28
That's our problem. Ball ends up in our court and we don't offer the money.


3.) 25 Aug 2017 14:11:57
Having seen Chelsea table a 30m bid, I'm sure we will go in with about 25m and be surprised when it doesn't happen. I don't think AOC will improve our starting 11.


4.) 25 Aug 2017 14:17:35
At this moment, even Snoogy Doogy is fine with me.


5.) 25 Aug 2017 14:24:50
This is one I hope we do balls up. We don't need another jack of all trades and master of none.


6.) 25 Aug 2017 14:27:50
Thought he was odds on to join chelsea? Id be happy with the ox joining us.

{Ed025's Note - your easily pleased then ste..


7.) 25 Aug 2017 14:28:54
At this moment I thin AOC would be an upgrade on Lovren at CB ;-)

{Ed025's Note - so would avi cohen..


8.) 25 Aug 2017 14:34:19
To be honest I'd take Ox as his utility will improve and deepen this squad. However his utility does not stretch far enough to him covering Mignolet, Lovren and Moreno.


9.) 25 Aug 2017 14:35:50
If the reports are true that he is unhappy playing as a wing back that should rule out Chelsea's approach unless they are looking at him from a homegrown stand point ed002?

If his preference is a CM/ wide man that suits Liverpool imo. certainly gives us more depth which will be needed with European football to contend with.

{Ed002's Note - It is not really like that. Chelsea would expect him to adapt and he has the benefit to English sides of being homegrown (sounds like a line fron Country Joe's "Paradise with an Ocean View").}


10.) 25 Aug 2017 14:34:59
Ed025 - I just think he would excel playing under Klopp. or maybe its the desperation at the late stage of the window.

{Ed025's Note - the latter for me ste..


11.) 25 Aug 2017 14:54:04
the OX has turned down arsenals offer there going to make a desision in the next 24hrs weather to let him leave or keep him. if they keep they won't get a penny next summer.


12.) 25 Aug 2017 15:46:47
Whilst I don't dislike him, if he's turning down supposedly a large pay rise at arsenal it's obviously a move for football reasons solely. The issue here for me is that, in order to choose Liverpool for this reason would surely imply he's got assurances from klopp about playing time and position and I'm not sure I'd have him over those within the starting eleven.


13.) 25 Aug 2017 15:52:50
More than 30mil on an average player with 12months on his contract left seems like crazy money.

He won't be in our starting 11 so not saying Kent is better but is rather give him a chance then spend that amount on ox to sit on our bench.


14.) 25 Aug 2017 16:01:04
I don't mind him as cover/ to challenge for Mane and Salah, and it means we have an experienced winger in case of injury/ rotation requirements (without needing to move Firmino wide), but don't really see him as a great midfield option.


15.) 25 Aug 2017 16:13:20
The idea of him playing in centre midfield actually makes me feel a bit sick. Having seen him play there for Arsenal and England it's a recipe for disaster. He's a very ordinary footballer at best, free transfer to sit on the bench, fine, but 30 odd million starter in centre midfield? No way. There's a reason he isn't an automatic starter in the middle for Arsenal, it's because he's completely ineffective, he lacks the positional sense, the passing ability and doesn't have the all round game.


16.) 25 Aug 2017 16:20:56
Talk of him turning down 180k p/ w is astonishing, more the fact that anyone is willing to pay that.
I would take him at 20m and below in today's market, as he can cover a few positions but is he better than Milner? at this moment I would say no.
He is still young so has improvement in him but that isn't guaranteed and his injury record would worry me.


17.) 25 Aug 2017 17:07:35
To win titles you need more than 1 player per position. (of the same calibre)
If we take Mane, Salah off are we comfortable with who we have on the bench to inject that pace.
I think not.
Id welcome Ox with open arms and id be gutted if we did have an interest in signing him and then we miss out.
Everyone doubted Mane, look at him go.
I think he'd work brilliantly with Klopp.


18.) 25 Aug 2017 17:14:09
I'd have him, just hopefully not for stupid money. Our biggest problem this year will be strength in depth. Having Ox grujic etc playing cup games would hopefully see us through till the latter parts of cup competitions.


19.) 25 Aug 2017 17:31:54
Think he thinks he'll be a starter? Odd!


20.) 25 Aug 2017 17:35:06
The point is Kopette that Oxlade has these delusions that he is going to be a centre midfielder, quite against logic and reason. Personally I'd be happy with Ryan Kent backing up Mane and Salah than wasting £30 off million on him. I'd also contebf that you need top quality in central defence and centre midfield to win titles, that is something we severely lack. Oxlade answers neither of those issues. We've done too much signing of squad filler and bench fodder over the years.


21.) 25 Aug 2017 17:58:14
Thank so for the Info MK I hope was sign Ox would be a good addition imo.


22.) 25 Aug 2017 18:13:19
Get a grip boys, he's a really good player that will excel under Klopp. I believe he will be a great player for us. at least he sticking to his guns and wants a move to better his career. Fingers crossed he wants to come, and we can sort a good deal out.


23.) 25 Aug 2017 18:52:59
Tel1949 isn't that what Coutinho doing?


24.) 25 Aug 2017 20:06:27
Mr Dennis, yea but Barcelona are m*cking about. Offer 150mill up front :-P.


25.) 25 Aug 2017 21:26:31
Defence should be the priority.


26.) 25 Aug 2017 21:34:07
That we could end up selling Coutinho and replace him with a very ordinary and poor footballer like Oxlade Chamberlain is actually a depressing thought.


27.) 25 Aug 2017 23:19:53
So let me get this straight. when we were linked and he went to Arsenal we griped. Now he's loads improved and we don't want him.


28.) 25 Aug 2017 23:48:09
Never griped when he went to Arsenal wasn't that fussed, about as good as Walcott and wasn't fussed by him either. Oxlade hasn't improved loads by any stretch of the imagination. He's a very ordinary footballer. And possibly the worst option we could consider for centre midfield, he makes Christian Poulsen look effective.


29.) 26 Aug 2017 00:12:53
He was very highly rated on the boards at the time and yes he has improved. Better player currently than Stewart, Lucas, markovic, ojo and any of the young ones who could fill these positions including Grujic. Don't get me wrong, he's not perfect, but he's got plenty of agility and a fair turn of pace, solid ball control and is progressing into a great player. I think with less pressure on him we could see him having the same kind of year Wijnaldum had for us last year, which would be more than worth the money paid.


30.) 26 Aug 2017 00:54:27
His first touch is shocking and his range of passing is terrible. Add to that no defensive nous and no positional sense and you have a player who should be nowhere near centre midfield.


31.) 25 Aug 2017 21:48:29
Ed0025, I enjoy your banter and you can take as well as you give but your Avi Cohen comment was out of line mate.

{Ed025's Note - your right kirkby and i apologize mate, i was looking for a name from the past and his came to mind, i never realized he had passed and would never knowingly disrespect anyone, big faux pas on my part and i feel terrible about that mate..


32.) 27 Aug 2017 08:21:21
Amerigo, where exactly has Ox improved? My friend, you may believe what you like but the rest of us have eyes and can see quite clearly that Ox has not improved one iota. He was a winger, yes but why is he now playing at wingback? Could it be that it is cos he has failed at that position? He has scored 6 goals in 6 seasons. You call that improvement? Really? The guy wants play in CM as a starter. That must be some kind of sick joke. Why? Who will he start ahead of at LFC? Can, Hendo, Wiji, Lallana, Cou? Tell me who? He is definitely not better than Mane, Salah or even kent out wide. Come on, man you will never convince me or many that Ox is better than any of these guys.


33.) 30 Aug 2017 12:19:40
Ed0025, only just noticed your reply. I appreciate your apology and of course I accept it. Understand completely.

On a lighter note, I might need to change my humorous (but slightly facetious) comment of the Blues finishing 7th. I can see them above Arsenal and Spurs for sure and personally hoping they finish above the rubbish so 3rd and 4th wouldn't be too bad for Merseyside! Love the banter between Blues and Reds, know some great Blues lads and hope they have a good (but not above Liverpool good) season. Cheers mate.

{Ed025's Note - nice one kirkby, yeah it would be nice if we could give the mancs and chelsea a run for their money mate, liverpool are looking strong especially in attack but we need a forward badly if we are to be up there..but heres hoping..


 

 

 

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19 Jan 2018 12:04:33
WARNING, RANT ALERT. People are always moaning about how the kids don't get enough chances, but then at the same time be moaning a lack of depth so we don't have to rely on kids. The irony is unreal 🤔

Right now, Liverpool have just a handful of players i would consider as young/ inexperienced that are in and around the first team. Gomez playing regularly, Arnold and Solanke rotating in occassionally, plus Grabara, Ejaria and Woodburn just training with the first team, right now but looking closer to the match day squad than the other kids.

In Grabara we have a really good young keeper who stands out as one of the best keepers at the club in terms of raw ability. Physically he probably wouldn't cope with the mens game just yet. However, would people rather we have someone like Caballero or Bravo as back up, who have to play cup games just to keep them happy, even when the best keeper could easily play? Because I know i wouldn't. How often does a keeper get injured? And will it really derail your season if a young keeper has to come in and play. Grabara will be on a lower wage, moan less about game time, and has the potential to one day take over the number 1 spot. So i see no issues. For me you should have 1 keeper who plays every game, the youth optio who plays u23's mainly but is being groomed to take the role, and a 3rd pick who is on the edge of retirement, who will help out the younger keeper and the coaches. I don't want a useless player like Bravo or Caballero who has to play occassionally to the detriment of the team, purely so they don't ruin squad harmony by sulking.

In Arnold we have probably the most talented u21 player in the Premier League. His ceiling is whatever he wants it to be. He's already our best player at set pieces, already our best player at delivering crosses into the box, and he's also scored 3 absolute belters from right back this season. Maybe people want our back up to be a player like Danilo, Darmian, Debuchy or Zappacosta? Average squad players who will never improve and are already trailing Arnold ability wise?

In Gomez we have a centre back who was nominated for the European Golden boy award, currently holding his own as a first choice right back in a top 4 and CL challenge. Perhaps people would rather we get in someone like Moses, Young, Valencia, Delph etc? Some of those "top quality" utility players at the top Premier league clubs on huge wages, covering full back positions? Hmmm. Perhaps not.

Ejaria is probably the least talented of all of these players, and yet he has still already made his first team debut and looks a class apart at u23's level. It is very unlikely he will get anything in the way of significant minutes, but perhaps we should chuck him out and have a player like Carrick, Yaya or Cazorla as our last resort, whilst they pick up £100-200k a week for getting their latest cast signed?

Woodburn; one of the brightest talents in English/ Welsh football, already having scored his first senior Liverpool goal at a record young age, and having looked like Wales' best player in recent internationals. Of course, we could sack him off and have a player like Mkhitaryan, Walcott, Sissoko etc sitting on the bench earning a fortune? Again, no thanks.

Lastly, Solanke. Also nominated for the European golden boy award alongside Gomez, top scorer at the u20's world cup, and has already had an impact on the first team by coming on, mixing it up and creating the opening goals for others (against the likes of Palace/ Stoke when it looked like we would never score), as well as putting himself in there to score his own goals. Sure his only goal thus far was disallowed, but how many goals have Lloriente, Ibrahimovich and Giroud scored or created this season? How many games have they impacted? Probably not a lot more than Solanke despite earning up to 10 times his salary, and going nowhere special in the remainder of their careers.

So next time you moan about our squad being so thin that (god help us) Grabara, Gomez, Arnold, Ejaria, Woodburn and Solanke might occassionally get on the pitch/ bench, just ask yourself; would i rather have Caballero, Young, Danilo, Carrick, Walcott and Lloriente? Because those are the alternative options when you are asking players to sit on the bench most weeks, or play out of position for the teams benefit like Gomez is doing. You are not going to find top players who will be happy with 100-1000 minutes of football a season. You are not going to find top players who will sacrifice their own performance levels to do a thankless job in a position they know they might struggle in.

So you can either pine for players on huge salaries who are maybe marginally better in the short term (debateable) but will only get worse and expect huge salaries, or you can back our young lads through the odd mistake and in a few years time maybe a couple of them will be in the starting XI? I can't force anyone to have a little faith in a handful of younger squad players, but i will defend them until my last breath when people would seemingly rather we continued to stockpile players like Bogdan, Flanagan, Markovic and Sturridge. Because that is the level of player you can get when you're asking them to sit in the stands all season.

Everyone has their own opinions i guess, and just because i disagree doesn't mean I'm right. Perhaps i am horribly wrong and Cazorla has been influential in Arsenal's spectacular form this season. I know what i would prefer as squad padding, and it does not include old or average mercenaries sitting on the treatment table or in the stand, on huge 6 figure salaries.

I am all ears though if any Eds or fellow reds think otherwise. It is a banter forum after all, and i thrive on the negativity 😂.

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - Grabara seems to have Caoimhin Kelleher ahead of him - whether he makes it at Liverpool or not will depend how he is dealt with - personally I doubt it and he certainly should not be a number 3.

Arnold - you have the red tinted specs on as you have elevated him to being the best under 21 in the Premier League.

Ejaria - will need a loan to get experience.

Woodburn - needs a loan for experience and is still very, very young.

Solanke - needs to lose the massive arrogance issues and he will do well - he was well thought of at Chelsea.}


1.) 19 Jan 2018 12:33:23
Kelleher is a good young keeper Ed, i watched him live against Milton Keynes just over a year ago. He could easily overtake Grabara eventually, but Grabara has recently been given a new long term contract and sent to train with the first team.

On Arnold, i am open to suggestions on who is better. I was referring to his overall potential and not his current ability. He is 19 so of course there will be players close to 21 who are currently further along in their development. Maybe Jesus has more potential but i don't see any other players under 21 years old who i would rather have than TAA.

Ejaria and Woodburn i disagree. Loans rarely ever work out at any club. Send a youth player on loan and you might as well sell them. Maybe if we had a set-up like Chelsea I'd partially agree, but aside from Christensen and Courtois, there are about 100 other players who didn't make it at Chelsea in the last 10 years. They just end up wasting away on somebody elses bench, or playing at a dismal level of football, on dodgy pitches, training with poor coaches. It hinders their development in most cases. I will agree to disagree there though because i know you are a big fan of the loan system.

On Solanke i can't comment on his arrogance issues at Chelsea as I'm not ITK, but he has been hard working and humble at Liverpool so far.

Irrespective of all of that though, the point is i would rather have young players to cover injury and suspension than over paid second rate players who are only in football to make money and don't really care if they play or not. That is how we ended up with a toxic wage bill and 30 senior internationals under Rafa. Whether or not people agree on the quality of the young players is besides my point. If they are not good enough, the answer is not to replace them with more squad players, it is to improve the academy or find young players who are good enough to be a part of the first team set up. I did point out that it's probable only around 2 of those players will make it with us as a starter, but if we don't give them a chance it will be none of them. Then nobody wins.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp included Kelleher in the Champions League squad and not Grabara - perhaps Klopp doesn't know that then.

There are numerous very good players - but tho elevate him to the top is simply wrong.

Loans work out at clubs who have an organised plan for the progression of players - Liverpool don't. No loan for these players and they will look to leave.

Solanke is not humble at all. He will very soon be bleating about him not getting the promised playing time.


2.) 19 Jan 2018 12:35:16
Thank you for the reply by the way, Ed002. I always appreciate the views of a neutral.


3.) 19 Jan 2018 12:49:37
Fantastic reply Ed02.


4.) 19 Jan 2018 12:52:57
I agree that is strange Ed. I can only go on the noises the club make though, and just 1 month ago Grabara was given a new 5 year contract, followed by Steven Gerrard and Mark Morris publically coming out to say that Grabara was a brilliant keeper with a big future at the club. It could just be noise admittedly, but he has since started training with the first team.

On Arnold, i didn't say he was the best, I said he was the most talented. That is a hard thing to predict, and it is entirely subjective, but i am most certainly not biased when it comes to youth football. Foden, Hudson-Odoi, Rashford and Arnold are for me, the 4 top talents in English football. Jesus is probably on par with them talent wise, and despite being Brazilian he is a part of the Premier League.

As you say, Liverpool don't have a good loan structure. Not one player we have sent out on loan in the last 20 years has returned to the club to become a first choice starter. Carragher, Gerrard, Owen and Sterling all went straight into the first team and stayed there. So for us, it is historically better that we keep them at the club, than pack their bags and send them off the play on a bog in Swindon or Port Vale.

We can only hope Solanke has grown up a bit since his time at Chelsea!

Thank you again mate. I know you rarely get involved in discussion so it is really great to hear your point of view on these things.

{Ed002's Note - I would not read too much in to the contract. As for Steven Gerrard and Mark Morris coming out I think it is very brave of them. Three of your four examples of players justifying bLiverpool not needing to have a loan structure played for the club back in the 1960s - the game has moved on - even if Liverpool hasn't.}


5.) 19 Jan 2018 13:02:55
I think MK has a point in that why have average players as back up that will never improve where as the players he mentioned might just b special. if one of those players becomes a top player for us isn't it worth sticking with youth over average back up. and as for chelseas loan system i personally think its a joke, how many players made it at chelsea after going on loan about 2 or 3. persobally if a player is loaned out to another club he is ultimately doomed at his parent club and I know there is exceptions ie Beckham and Kane but in general its never works out too well.

{Ed002's Note - Courtois and Christensen are starters in the current side. But perhaps Liverpool’s approach of not having any structure is much better.}


6.) 19 Jan 2018 13:05:59
MK you get a thumbs down cos it’s late here in Oz and I’ve had a few drinks and struggling to stay focussed reading the essays you’ve just dropped on the site! Perhaps I’ll see differently tomorrow when I have a couple of hours to spare! :) honestly though, I love your contribution to the site. Always worth a read.


7.) 19 Jan 2018 13:19:37
I'd imagine Grabara was left to concentrate on the u19's European games as with three senior goalies ahead of him and Kelleher there's no way either of them will feature. Both are very good goalies but i'd agree with MK that Grabara is the better of the two. He's super and has a great career ahead of him.


8.) 19 Jan 2018 13:21:48
I do agree with you to an extent MK, but I feel what klopp has done well in his time with us is create competition for a place in the starting line up forcing players to up their game. If youth is out only option from the bench then perhaps first teamers could lose the drive to work and train harder.

I am by no means saying we should fill our bench with the likes of Walcotts or Girouds or Crouches but I think it's important to have ahigh level of proven quality to step up when needed.
But I do like what your saying man.


9.) 19 Jan 2018 13:36:30
Cheers fruitba, good post as well mate.

Made me laughing there Swishcleaner! Don't worry, mate, i let you off 😉

Liverpool definitely needs to improve their loan system Ed, but until they do, sending anyone out on loan is almost as good as terminating their contract with the club.

Teixeira, Ilori, Ibe, Wisdom etc are all recent proof that we just waste top young talents with poorly chosen loans which are even more poorly managed.


10.) 19 Jan 2018 13:48:04
Not reading all that 😄.


11.) 19 Jan 2018 14:06:59
I agree big Emre. Young keepers rarely ever make it, because for them to get a chance you need at least 2 keepers to get injured or suspended which is virtually unprecedented.

Bmena-red we definitely shouldn't rely on 11 youth players to cover the 11 first team players, i agree. There has to be a balance. I sort of explained it yesterday, but for me you should aim for 11 top class starting players, around 3-5 top class players to have on your bench, and then the rest should be older players on short low salary contracts, or youth players. I won't post what i'd like to happen just here, but I'll put it on the teams page.

Liverpool's youth players are not the problem. The problem is we don't have 11 top class players on the pitch, and we probably only have 2 and sometimes 3 on the bench. We need to upgrade a lot of senior players, but we certainly don't need to add to them. Replacing is an entirely different thing. Mignolet/ Karius, Clyne, Can and Milner should be out utmost priorities to replace. If we replace Clyne, Gomez can replace Matip at centre back. Can wants out, and we should sell both keepers unless Karius shows massive improvement, and just sign a top keeper. Milner is not a first choice player, but he has got to be one of our top 5 most subbed on players if you ask me. So he needs to be replaced with someone with more quality. You have to have the option to bring quality off the bench to change the game, but if you have so many players that you can't even fit all of your senior players into an 18 man match day squad, i think it is too many and it will cause disruption. Young players don't cause as many issues because they are at a different stage of their careers.


12.) 19 Jan 2018 14:40:49
Young players particularly keepers never make it with us because fans turn on them after every mistake, confidence is then shot and they have little chance of recovery. Look at what’s happened with Karius?! It’s disgusting behaviour.

I’ve no doubt Karius will be replaced sadly as the fans will never get behind him and give him the environment and support to thrive.

Sad state of the fan base today.


13.) 19 Jan 2018 14:45:09
Adam, I mean this in the nicest possible way but when you said you weren't biased when it came to youth footballers I almost spat out my lunch.

If there's one poster who I know will exaggerate the potential of a Liverpool trainee it's you, I mean, has there ever been a young Liverpool prospect who you didn't think had the potential to be world class? Not even Ed1's glasses are as red tinted as yours.


14.) 19 Jan 2018 15:14:16
Putney, you have confused me thinking a player has the potential to make it, for me thinking they will make it.

Completely off the top of my head, I'd say in a each age group at every academy, there are usually a fair few players with the potential to make it. Out of those players though, only a couple will actually make it because it largely comes down to luck, who gets a chance, and who copes with the step up. However making it as a pro, and becoming a starter at your club are completely different. Even fewer players actually end up making it at the clubs they trained with as kids.

What people don't get is that all of these kids are talented. Academies don't keep hold of players who don't have even a slim chance. It would be a waste of time and money. So when i point out what type of players they are and explain how good they are at certain things, you have to understand that ability is only a small part of actually being a success. Therefore me saying a youth player is talented, is completely different to me saying a youth player will become a regular. And when i say they should get game time, that is because i want to see if they are good enough to step up, not because i think they are.


 

 

18 Jan 2018 14:26:46
I was reading a quote from Craig Bellamy earlier. He was basically explaining how he never thought Carroll would make it at Liverpool because he didn't look after himself or train hard enough.

He then made a comparison to Jordan Henderson. Apparently Bellamy told Hendo he would be a top player one day, because he trained hard, and worked even harder in the gym.

After reading that i thought to myself "maybe I'm being too harsh writing Henderson off". We've been waiting 3 years and it keeps getting harder to believe he'll ever make a full come back.

So anyway, 2 hours later i see Henderson is back in full first team training less than a month after a Hamstring injury! What is this sorcery? 3 years I've backed him to overcome his heel problems. After he did his hamstring and my initial expectation was he'd be out for 6-8 weeks, honestly, i finally gave up. Who returns from a hamstring injury in 4 weeks? That is ridiculous 😂

Henderson has made a career out of proving doubters wrong though and if he does it yet again (and this time, to me personally) I'll never doubt him until the day he physically can't run anymore.

MK Scouser

{Ed025's Note - liverpool are missing henderson...like george michael missed andrew ridgely..


1.) 18 Jan 2018 14:44:39
I would pay to watch David Silva play football. One day I would pay to see Ed025 on a big screen 😎😎😎.

{Ed025's Note - and it would have to be a big screen BD, i have put on about a stone over christmas mate..


2.) 18 Jan 2018 14:54:40
It all depends on the grade of the muscle injury.
I've done enough muscle injuries over the years i. e. Tore my hamstring in the middle of a Dumbbell Romanian Deadlift one particular day with 45kg Dumbbells - not a good situation.

Had to walk a mile uphill after to get home too - was back training within 3 weeks, and I was far from a physical specimen or sorcerer :)


 

 

17 Jan 2018 17:38:45
Ed025, with the signing of Walcott to add to Lennon, Rooney, Baines, Williams and Jagielka; is there any chance Allardyce might take James Milner off of our hands to further improve your chances of winning the 2011/ 12 Premier League title?

MK Scouser

{Ed025's Note - no MK hes far too young, we like more experienced players so we are going for yakubu, who according to his passport is only 17..


1.) 17 Jan 2018 18:17:14
Hahahaha.


2.) 17 Jan 2018 18:13:02
It’s Emile Heskey you need Ed! He’s a free agent now Bolton have been relegation from Champ.

{Ed025's Note - emile (bambi on ice) is not the answer statto, we will see how theo and cenk do first before we start panicking mate..


3.) 17 Jan 2018 18:38:15
the 2011/ 12 comment made me laugh.


4.) 17 Jan 2018 18:27:14
I thought Theo and Cenk were the panic buys!

{Ed025's Note - no smeg they are the new keegan and toshack mate, next season be afraid, in fact be very afraid..


5.) 17 Jan 2018 19:30:44
But you said that this season Ed.

{Ed002's Note - Inter previously asked about a loan and were told no. I am not aware of an approach to buy him.}


6.) 17 Jan 2018 19:30:44
But you said that this season Ed.

{Ed025's Note - yeah but i was only kidding then barry.. :)


7.) 17 Jan 2018 20:13:22
Bey you’re gutted Ronaldinho has announced his retirement Ed.

{Ed025's Note - he could be one of our youngsters agger..


8.) 17 Jan 2018 20:50:38
To be honest although the OP is a joke there is something to be taken from this, and evertons troubles are something i have seen coming for a while.

That being that moyes managed to get together a solid squad with some decent players, on the back of very lucky transfers and decent management. Everton developed a core of decent players who were in the team for many years - baines, coleman, jags, neville, distin howard etc. The problem they've had is that all these players have grown old at pretty much the same time and have not been replaced suitably. Through injuries or ageing their plights have been ignored season after season, and instead of the squad being supplemented and strengthened, with declining players taken out gradually, it has all been left til the last minute - resulting in the core of what made everton a decent team being ripped out all in one go. This is quite similar to what caused the decline of liverpool in the 90's and united recently, albeit on a smaller scale. At that point, what all those teams have in common is they have tried to solve it with panic buying and lots of money, and it doesn't work, just makes you slide even further. Just wondering what you make of that perspective on it ed025.

{Ed025's Note - i think your spot on AW, we never had money for a number of years and were shopping at lidl while the top teams were at harrods, when moshiri came along our managers were like kids in a sweet shop buying everything that moved, this disrupted the team beyond repair and is still going on at the minute, i remember liverpool winning the league wit 14 players being used and thats the secret... continuity, we need to get a stable team and stick with it instead of these constant bloody changes so that players get to know each other, its not easy when you are playing catch up though and the microwave fans are looking for instant success, my solution would be for them to appoint me as manager mate.. :)


9.) 17 Jan 2018 21:28:04
Your such a joker Ed.

{Ed025's Note - it stops me from crying barry mate..


10.) 17 Jan 2018 21:37:47
The only thing theo has accomplished in the last ten years is to grow a beard.

{Ed025's Note - its a cracker though twinkletoes..


11.) 18 Jan 2018 00:23:07
1995!


 

 

17 Jan 2018 10:43:24
Lots of reports that we want James Maddison, Norwich.

He is a very, very good player to be fair, but he is still young and it would be a bad move for all parties unless Klopp has the bottle to give him a chance in the first team, straight from the get go.

He's a centre midfielder with a wand of a right foot for anyone who doesn't know him. His set pieces, long range shots, and range of passing are all remarkable for a 21 year old. He lacks defensive awareness and pace though.

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1.) 17 Jan 2018 11:26:14
James Maddison? The former U. S President plays for Norwich? That can't be right? He was born 2-3 centuries ago.


2.) 17 Jan 2018 11:28:04
Never seen him, but seeing Spurs going for him makes me worry a little bit about another Dele Alli situation!


3.) 17 Jan 2018 11:39:03
Haha, maybe we could partner him in midfield with Benjamin Franklin, BRover?


4.) 17 Jan 2018 12:14:11
Very good, when he comes in we send Woodburn on loan.


5.) 17 Jan 2018 12:15:51
Plus our owners are from Boston. Nice revolutionary spirit in the club ;)


6.) 17 Jan 2018 13:01:06
He's nothing like Woodburn Leek.

Maddison specialises in arcing long range shots, dangerous corners, direct and indirect free kicks, composure, whipped crosses and passing range.

Woodburn is direct, has good acceleration, likes to take people on, he's a good finisher, and also creates goal scoring chances with his constant probing.

You might as well compare Beckham and Giggs! A technically gifted English man, and a direct Welsh man!


7.) 17 Jan 2018 13:42:21
I don't think Becks was technically gifted, MK. I will have to disagree there. IMO, Becks was a pretty average player in terms of skill and technical ability. However, he made up for it by being a workaholic who focused mostly on his strengths so as to mitigate against his weaknesses in these areas which in the end, is all you need to be successful. It also helps to be a tabloid darling, a spice boy and all that BUT in the end, he worked on his game, and on dead ball situations relentlessly and for that alone, I admire him.


8.) 17 Jan 2018 14:18:18
Depends what you define as technical ability. I've always had it down as your touch control, your striking technique, and how well you can manipulate the ball with curve/ dip/ spin etc.

Beckham had the best striking technique I've seen from anyone except Xabi Alonso, and Beckham's touch wasn't bad either. If Beckham had pace and a bit more aggression, he would've been as good as Gerrard, maybe better in my opinion. Sadly he never had that short burst of acceleration to regularly work the space for a shot, so he didn't score enough goals from open play.


 

 

16 Jan 2018 08:51:45
I keep reading about how Mane has had a worse season this year.

It's just not true though. Last year he finished with 13 goals (one every 172 minutes) and 8 assists.

He already has 9 goals (one every 158 minutes) and 6 assists.

So not only is he scoring more, he's also on course to directly create more as well.

People even had the gall to call his City goal a miss-hit, even though he did the exact same thing against Burnley a couple of weeks ago!

There are only 2 reasons why Mane has been accused of having a worse season than the last. Those 2 reasons are Salah and Firmino. Mane has not been bad at all. In fact, this is his best season in terms of goal scoring in his Premier League career, so far. His only problem has been that he's been eclipsed by others. Considering injury, illness and suspension has hampered his season so far, and yet he has still scored vital goals that have earned us points against Watford (1point gained), Crystal Palace (2 points gained), Burnley (2 points gained) and Man City (2 points gained) off the top of my head. Without those 7 points, we're out of the top 4 scrapping with Arsenal over who gets to be the least of a laughing stock.

Mane for me is still the best left sided forward in the world after Neymar. Some may say Hazard, but Mane has out scored him this season, despite Hazard playing as central striker on a few occasions, and barely missing a game. Hazard has flattered to deceive in nearly every season, and the only time he finished with a decent tally of goals, most of them were penalties. Mane is less pretty, much he is miles more effective. Maybe the only other players who even have a right to make a claim they're better than Mane, are Carrasco, Insigne, Coutinho and Sane. I wouldn't swap Mane for any of them though, personally.

I think Liverpool fans sometimes don't realise how lucky we are to have this fella. Just look at how many times he won possession back against Man City. His finishing, his creativity, and his tenacity are almost unrivalled. As a trio, i don't think there is a better front 3 in Europe than ours, except maybe Neymar, Cavani and Mbappe. It's hard to judge them though as Lacazette, Hazard and Giroud were 30 goal a season players in France and none of them are even in double figures yet this season!

MK Scouser

1.) 16 Jan 2018 09:10:40
Mane Mane, do do do do do do.

We need to show him the love as he equally as important as firmino and Salah.


2.) 16 Jan 2018 09:15:20
personally i think Mane has been very good this season as well. and he very much suits how klopp wants his team to play. to add to what u just said about his goal tally and assist, he has another half a season to play.

he has however, looked frustrated with himself the past couple of games, so im happy he scored that goal against (what a goal as well), i hope he's not beating himself over his performances, because it isn't that bad, even when he's not playing well, which says a lot.


3.) 16 Jan 2018 09:17:48
In fairness MK, wasn't most of that talk in mid December where he'd done little and had missed a number of glorious chances in a row/ failed to make easy decisions to pass rather than shoot?

Since the Arsenal game he's massively recovered his form, bolstered his figures with 2 goals and an assist and generally been back to the absolute menace usually is. I think people were mostly worried by those over the top selfish decisions, taking on hard shots when there are easy passes to basically open goals available. But he got over their impact so we did too and he's back to being part of the fab 3! (sorry, I really like Ox but he's not making up the fab 4 yet)


4.) 16 Jan 2018 09:55:39
Mane is miles better than Hazard in my opinion. It's a non starter. He works harder, he scores more despite not being the penalty taker, he creates more, and he has never downed tools to get a manager sacked.

Hazard is a fantastic player, but for all his talent, he rarely ever impacts the score line directly. If i was banging on about pass completion or shot conversion, you'd have a point, baby driver. I do think Hazard is the best in the league at taking players on, but so what when he constantly smashes his shots off target and rarely ever passes the bloody ball?

Mane scores and creates more goals than Hazard and that to me is enough to put him ahead, even if you don't consider Mane's more complete all around game to go with it. Mane is fast becoming the most under rated player in the league, purely because his team mate Salah has made him look average by literally outscoring Messi, Neymar and Ronaldo.


5.) 16 Jan 2018 09:52:06
I love Mane. I really do. and every game I wish him the best.
He was unstoppable last season and we really really missed him in the winter.
then Salah came in took all the light away from Mane.
But it seems like Mane is starting to play for the team as opposed to himself which I saw in the recent games. minus city.
He's getting there. I love the guy and wish him continued progression.


6.) 16 Jan 2018 10:07:40
I think he's just took a bit of time being moved over to the left so that Salah can play off the right, he looks on track to get over 15 now so yankfully it's worked and we all know what Salah has been doing.


7.) 16 Jan 2018 11:18:11
It was that shot in the Everton game which tarnished him. Everyone, except maybe Salah, has had a small dip in form so far this season but that was the most high profile mistake in a high profile game which cost us. People always remember the one mistake rather than the loads of positives. I'm just glad he seems back and scoring and generally being the Mane we all know and love.


8.) 16 Jan 2018 11:51:32
Shaky start to the season with the injury and being in and out of the team but you can only see him getting better and better as the season goes on from now. Top player in my eyes!


9.) 16 Jan 2018 13:24:15
Yeah he was just going through a rough patch of form but seems to have recovered from it. Hope he continues his improvement.


10.) 16 Jan 2018 16:34:43
i think there are many players who have outscored ronaldo!


11.) 16 Jan 2018 16:35:07
We will see the best of Mane in a Red shirt next season based on the Keita effect.


 

 

 

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Could be wrong, but i think Ed001 alluded to Gerrard potentially replacing Pepjin Lijnders as the first team development coach. My memory over Christmas is hazey though. Too much cold weather 👀.

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18 Jan 2018 12:03:07
I always like to hear other fans views Ed025, but that Chelsea fan that Harry has quoted has managed to write 100 words plus about a player, without once mentioning anything about his actual ability, style of play, or even preferred position. His final line slagging Chelsea's business just gives away his true intentions; to belittle and moan about Chelsea's recent transfer business. Sounds like a fan not happy with Barkley and Carroll, who has decided to start a little agenda against someone at the club.

I don't watch every Roma game, but i try my hardest to catch at least 5-10 a season and watch the highlights of every game. Emerson was fantastic on the left of midfield. He made driving runs at the opposition at every opportunity, whipped in dangerous crosses, took on shots from distance, always wanted to beat his man, and always looked for the killer pass. The only difference between Emerson and Lemar is that Lemar is much better at that final pass right now, and Emerson is a much better dribbler. Their playing styles are remarkably similar though, and they are both left midfielders who can cover various positions down the left flank or in central midfield.

That Chelsea fan has based his entire misinformed opinion of a player on incorrect appearance stats, and Harry has proceeds to base his opinion of Emerson on the misinformed opinion of the Chelsea fan!

I'd say, at least make an effort before acting like you know anything about the player? Even Youtube will probably show you that Emerson's strengths are in direct attacking play and running with the ball, not defending!

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18 Jan 2018 10:44:51
Harry he is not a wing back, and the only reason Emerson is not playing is because he has been injured.

Last season he made 36 appearances for Roma. Around half of those appearances came at the left midfield/ wing, with the other half coming in a combination of positions which included central midfield, left back, and right back. He completed the full 90 minutes on 24 occasions.

You really should form your own opinion mate instead of listening to a Chelsea fan who has never watched him play, hasn't even done their stat research properly, and was simply looking for an excuse to bemoan their recent transfer record.

If you watched Roma at all last year, you'll know that they were the 2nd best team in Italy. So to make 36 appearances for them at 21/ 22 years old was impressive. He never looked out of place either. If we are genuinely interested, and he's not a Thomas Lemar alternative, i will eat my own shoe. Because he plays the exact same positions as Lemar does, which is primarily in an attacking left sided role. I'll be gob smacked if he ends up as a left full back. Even left wing back is wasting him to the same extent it was when Wenger put the Ox at right wing back.

He is very similar to Lemar and the fact you think differently suggests that you also have never seen Emerson play.

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18 Jan 2018 10:27:44
You're far more well placed than me to know the truth Ed002. I'm only speculating, but it is a rumours site after all mate! From the outside, it looks like Lemar would cost far more than he's worth (you yourself have said it would take a ridiculous offer to interest Emenalo) . If you know that, I've made the assumption Liverpool also know that. I could be completely wrong though and maybe Liverpool are still pushing to sign Lemar. I won't be holding my breath!

Harry, when a player is being tracked by Juventus, Chelsea and Liverpool you can be pretty sure they aren't a bad player! Regardless of what some Chelsea fan who clearly has never watched him play, might think.

For a start, the only reason he hasn't been playing at Roma recently, is because he had an ACL injury and he's only just returned. Gomez also needed easing back after doing his ACL. Emerson hasn't ever been a regular in Europe because he is 23 years old, but in Brazil he was seen as a future star by everyone. Alisson wasn't a regular until 6 months ago and couldn't get in the team ahead of Szczeny (sp), yet he is wanted by multiple top clubs around Europe. The thing is mate, scouts and avid followers of European football look beyond a players appearance stats and actually go and watch the player before fabricating an irrelevant opinion.

That Chelsea fan is clearly a muppet. He hasn't actually judged the player on anything to do with ability, just on which teams he's been at and how often he's played. That makes it patently obvious he is judging a player he's never watched.

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18 Jan 2018 09:35:16
If the rumours that we're going after Emerson are true, i personally think he'd be the Lemar alternative after Monaco priced us out of the move. He is in no way suited to be a left back in a back 4 like the media seem to think. That is why Chelsea and Juventus want him; he is perfect for their 3-4-3 formations in the left midfield/ wing back role. For us, he'd offer perfect balance to the midfield (with Ox on the right of a 3, and Emerson on the left) as both players can pull wide when Salah and Mane come in-field, but additionally, both Ox and Emerson are extremely hard working and very direct which is exactly what Klopp wants. He wants us to press high, and get straight at the opposition when we win possession back. Gini, Can, Henderson and Lallana all take too many touches on the spot, without actually going forwards far too often. They're too slow in terms of the transition from defence to attack. Keita, Ox and Lemar/ Emerson will just fly at the opposition and cause havoc.

Patience is required with either Lemar or Emerson though. Neither player are the finished article just yet. Emerson offers far better value for money though, as He'll likely be less than a quarter of what Lemar would cost.

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19 Jan 2018 16:43:53
See that is how unqualified to write i am. I'm assuming '89 is your birth year IR89, so if you were 8 I'm guessing he left in 97/ 98? I thought it was 99/ 00. So i know so little about his time, i didn't even know when it ended, and I was actually 4!

Nonetheless, I'm sure Ed001 will do a cracking write up which i look forward to reading!

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Welcome to the family mate, and thank you for the rumour!

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19 Jan 2018 16:19:30
I wasn't interested in watching football at that age Waro. I did enjoy summer football camps every year though, and regretfully my first kits were all second hand Chelsea strips! I had no idea who any of the teams or players were though, and my dad had stopped following football years before i was born as a boyhood Leeds fan, bless him. I've got him back into football and converted him to a Liverpool fan now 😂

The first football game i watched was England's 2-1 defeat against France, i think Lampard scored but Zidane hit two late goals to break English hearts! The first club match i watched was a 3-3 thriller in Istanbul. Been obsessed for the last 13 years ever since mate. I've seen re-runs of the Evans era on LFC TV, but i wouldn't dare write about it in detail because simply put, it was before my time.

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19 Jan 2018 16:04:50
Michael Johnson at Man City has to be one of the saddest declines ever.

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19 Jan 2018 15:30:22
Triangle it was just an example mate. I highly doubt Reina, Alisson, Vrsaljko or Lemar will join, and I actually agree with you that Ox will be a starter next season in midfield, probably in place of Henderson if he can't get his injury's sorted out.

I was just explaining what i think the make-up of a good squad is. I think you should focus your quality into the 11 on the pitch and the 3-5 players who will regularly come on as a sub (depending on what the game needs), rather than try and spread your resources too thin across a 25 man squad. Is it better to have two good XI's? Or is it better to have 1 world class XI and a support cast? I'd opt for the latter. What is the point if being consistently not quite top class?

Additionally, we will never find a player who is as good as Salah (for example) who will happily sit on the bench. So for me, if you can make a change without weakening your team at all, it isn't because your back ups are good, it is because your player in the starting XI isn't good enough.

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