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25 Aug 2017 13:41:43
Can't reveal who told me this as I've promised not to say, but AOC has today told Arsenal he wants to sign for Liverpool this summer and will reject all contract offers they make. It's just down to Liverpool to make an acceptable offer to Arsenal and AOC now which it is expected will happen.

Information comes from a corporate box regular at the Emirates but that is as far as I'm willing to elaborate.

Ball is In our court now. Let's hope LFC don't balls up again.

MK Scouser

1.) 25 Aug 2017 13:54:18
I hope this is true because AOC will definitely be an upgrade over Milner.
With Klopp talking about moving Milner to midfield, I'd rather have AOC play there. Milner is horrible in the midfield.

2.) 25 Aug 2017 14:03:28
That's our problem. Ball ends up in our court and we don't offer the money.

3.) 25 Aug 2017 14:11:57
Having seen Chelsea table a 30m bid, I'm sure we will go in with about 25m and be surprised when it doesn't happen. I don't think AOC will improve our starting 11.

4.) 25 Aug 2017 14:17:35
At this moment, even Snoogy Doogy is fine with me.

5.) 25 Aug 2017 14:24:50
This is one I hope we do balls up. We don't need another jack of all trades and master of none.

6.) 25 Aug 2017 14:27:50
Thought he was odds on to join chelsea? Id be happy with the ox joining us.

{Ed025's Note - your easily pleased then ste..

7.) 25 Aug 2017 14:28:54
At this moment I thin AOC would be an upgrade on Lovren at CB ;-)

{Ed025's Note - so would avi cohen..

8.) 25 Aug 2017 14:34:19
To be honest I'd take Ox as his utility will improve and deepen this squad. However his utility does not stretch far enough to him covering Mignolet, Lovren and Moreno.

9.) 25 Aug 2017 14:35:50
If the reports are true that he is unhappy playing as a wing back that should rule out Chelsea's approach unless they are looking at him from a homegrown stand point ed002?

If his preference is a CM/ wide man that suits Liverpool imo. certainly gives us more depth which will be needed with European football to contend with.

{Ed002's Note - It is not really like that. Chelsea would expect him to adapt and he has the benefit to English sides of being homegrown (sounds like a line fron Country Joe's "Paradise with an Ocean View").}

10.) 25 Aug 2017 14:34:59
Ed025 - I just think he would excel playing under Klopp. or maybe its the desperation at the late stage of the window.

{Ed025's Note - the latter for me ste..

11.) 25 Aug 2017 14:54:04
the OX has turned down arsenals offer there going to make a desision in the next 24hrs weather to let him leave or keep him. if they keep they won't get a penny next summer.

12.) 25 Aug 2017 15:46:47
Whilst I don't dislike him, if he's turning down supposedly a large pay rise at arsenal it's obviously a move for football reasons solely. The issue here for me is that, in order to choose Liverpool for this reason would surely imply he's got assurances from klopp about playing time and position and I'm not sure I'd have him over those within the starting eleven.

13.) 25 Aug 2017 15:52:50
More than 30mil on an average player with 12months on his contract left seems like crazy money.

He won't be in our starting 11 so not saying Kent is better but is rather give him a chance then spend that amount on ox to sit on our bench.

14.) 25 Aug 2017 16:01:04
I don't mind him as cover/ to challenge for Mane and Salah, and it means we have an experienced winger in case of injury/ rotation requirements (without needing to move Firmino wide), but don't really see him as a great midfield option.

15.) 25 Aug 2017 16:13:20
The idea of him playing in centre midfield actually makes me feel a bit sick. Having seen him play there for Arsenal and England it's a recipe for disaster. He's a very ordinary footballer at best, free transfer to sit on the bench, fine, but 30 odd million starter in centre midfield? No way. There's a reason he isn't an automatic starter in the middle for Arsenal, it's because he's completely ineffective, he lacks the positional sense, the passing ability and doesn't have the all round game.

16.) 25 Aug 2017 16:20:56
Talk of him turning down 180k p/ w is astonishing, more the fact that anyone is willing to pay that.
I would take him at 20m and below in today's market, as he can cover a few positions but is he better than Milner? at this moment I would say no.
He is still young so has improvement in him but that isn't guaranteed and his injury record would worry me.

17.) 25 Aug 2017 17:07:35
To win titles you need more than 1 player per position. (of the same calibre)
If we take Mane, Salah off are we comfortable with who we have on the bench to inject that pace.
I think not.
Id welcome Ox with open arms and id be gutted if we did have an interest in signing him and then we miss out.
Everyone doubted Mane, look at him go.
I think he'd work brilliantly with Klopp.

18.) 25 Aug 2017 17:14:09
I'd have him, just hopefully not for stupid money. Our biggest problem this year will be strength in depth. Having Ox grujic etc playing cup games would hopefully see us through till the latter parts of cup competitions.

19.) 25 Aug 2017 17:31:54
Think he thinks he'll be a starter? Odd!

20.) 25 Aug 2017 17:35:06
The point is Kopette that Oxlade has these delusions that he is going to be a centre midfielder, quite against logic and reason. Personally I'd be happy with Ryan Kent backing up Mane and Salah than wasting £30 off million on him. I'd also contebf that you need top quality in central defence and centre midfield to win titles, that is something we severely lack. Oxlade answers neither of those issues. We've done too much signing of squad filler and bench fodder over the years.

21.) 25 Aug 2017 17:58:14
Thank so for the Info MK I hope was sign Ox would be a good addition imo.

22.) 25 Aug 2017 18:13:19
Get a grip boys, he's a really good player that will excel under Klopp. I believe he will be a great player for us. at least he sticking to his guns and wants a move to better his career. Fingers crossed he wants to come, and we can sort a good deal out.

23.) 25 Aug 2017 18:52:59
Tel1949 isn't that what Coutinho doing?

24.) 25 Aug 2017 20:06:27
Mr Dennis, yea but Barcelona are m*cking about. Offer 150mill up front :-P.

25.) 25 Aug 2017 21:26:31
Defence should be the priority.

26.) 25 Aug 2017 21:34:07
That we could end up selling Coutinho and replace him with a very ordinary and poor footballer like Oxlade Chamberlain is actually a depressing thought.

27.) 25 Aug 2017 23:19:53
So let me get this straight. when we were linked and he went to Arsenal we griped. Now he's loads improved and we don't want him.

28.) 25 Aug 2017 23:48:09
Never griped when he went to Arsenal wasn't that fussed, about as good as Walcott and wasn't fussed by him either. Oxlade hasn't improved loads by any stretch of the imagination. He's a very ordinary footballer. And possibly the worst option we could consider for centre midfield, he makes Christian Poulsen look effective.

29.) 26 Aug 2017 00:12:53
He was very highly rated on the boards at the time and yes he has improved. Better player currently than Stewart, Lucas, markovic, ojo and any of the young ones who could fill these positions including Grujic. Don't get me wrong, he's not perfect, but he's got plenty of agility and a fair turn of pace, solid ball control and is progressing into a great player. I think with less pressure on him we could see him having the same kind of year Wijnaldum had for us last year, which would be more than worth the money paid.

30.) 26 Aug 2017 00:54:27
His first touch is shocking and his range of passing is terrible. Add to that no defensive nous and no positional sense and you have a player who should be nowhere near centre midfield.

31.) 25 Aug 2017 21:48:29
Ed0025, I enjoy your banter and you can take as well as you give but your Avi Cohen comment was out of line mate.

{Ed025's Note - your right kirkby and i apologize mate, i was looking for a name from the past and his came to mind, i never realized he had passed and would never knowingly disrespect anyone, big faux pas on my part and i feel terrible about that mate..

32.) 27 Aug 2017 08:21:21
Amerigo, where exactly has Ox improved? My friend, you may believe what you like but the rest of us have eyes and can see quite clearly that Ox has not improved one iota. He was a winger, yes but why is he now playing at wingback? Could it be that it is cos he has failed at that position? He has scored 6 goals in 6 seasons. You call that improvement? Really? The guy wants play in CM as a starter. That must be some kind of sick joke. Why? Who will he start ahead of at LFC? Can, Hendo, Wiji, Lallana, Cou? Tell me who? He is definitely not better than Mane, Salah or even kent out wide. Come on, man you will never convince me or many that Ox is better than any of these guys.

33.) 30 Aug 2017 12:19:40
Ed0025, only just noticed your reply. I appreciate your apology and of course I accept it. Understand completely.

On a lighter note, I might need to change my humorous (but slightly facetious) comment of the Blues finishing 7th. I can see them above Arsenal and Spurs for sure and personally hoping they finish above the rubbish so 3rd and 4th wouldn't be too bad for Merseyside! Love the banter between Blues and Reds, know some great Blues lads and hope they have a good (but not above Liverpool good) season. Cheers mate.

{Ed025's Note - nice one kirkby, yeah it would be nice if we could give the mancs and chelsea a run for their money mate, liverpool are looking strong especially in attack but we need a forward badly if we are to be up there..but heres hoping..



04 Aug 2017 09:14:08
Liverpool are rumoured to have bid €17m for Benjamin Andre. Never seen him play but he is 27 years old, and made 329 interceptions last season; most in Ligue 1.

Not ITK, just sharing a rumour coming out of France this morning.

MK Scouser

1.) 04 Aug 2017 09:42:04
He made 74 interceptions according to football365 who make a mockery of that 329 figure.

2.) 04 Aug 2017 09:58:18
Like I said mate, just sharing a rumour. I have no idea if the stats are right, if the transfer figure is right, or even if that's his real age!

3.) 04 Aug 2017 10:05:17
Wasn't he the guy from Outkast? Andre 3000? If so, that's another pop star that's been linked with us after Lemar. Maybe we're starting a band?

Seriously though, I too have become one of those sad people who spends the entire summer searching for Liverpool transfer rumours and then going straight to youtube when I've never heard of them. From the looks of him, he's someone who can help break down teams and provide a link between midfield and attack, combined with an incredible interception rate.
Looks good to these eyes and youtube.

4.) 04 Aug 2017 10:19:25
From what I can find he's been called.

Frances best kept secret.
Poor man's verrati.

Seems tidy and apparently well scouted by lfc but again all just hear say.

Could klopp unearth a gem without breaking the bank, he's done it before.

5.) 04 Aug 2017 10:45:39
So we can;t sign Keita so we are going for 2nd or 3rd best are we? what's the point when we've got Henderson, Crujic, Milner, Can, Wijnaldum and Ejaria looking for places in midfield. Must be better to use what we currently have and then hopefully get our number 1 target next year. Grujic has to get his opportunities to keep his WP. As the Eds has said before we can't just keep adding and adding players.

6.) 04 Aug 2017 15:30:10
Its going to be a long season, and too many injuries, we might need a couple of good squad players, we didn't sign them last January window, I hope that we have learnt our lesson from that basic error .

7.) 04 Aug 2017 17:10:05
I agree red forever. On the one hand we keep hearing that we have a fairly thin squad and on the other hand we hear that if we buy we need to sell. Personally I'd like to see us sign. A top goal scorer to tap in ALL the chances we create. A cb who is strong in the air and has brilliant organisational skills and a holding midfielder who can play the ball well. You could say we have DS and matip and Hendo. Yes we do but they are all a little injury prone. Realistically we should add at least one senior player. right?



14 May 2017 11:48:50
So Luan, Robertson and Kjaer today then?

I like Robertson and have been suggesting him since January so happy there. I have only seen clips of Luan so I'll reserve judgement (as the clips were underwhelming to say the least) . However I really hope Kjaer rumours are fabricated. He is an okay player, but I don't believe he is an upgrade on Lovren or Matip.

MK Scouser

1.) 14 May 2017 11:53:51
We are not signing a CB this summer according to the Eds. Kjaer is a completely fabricated rumor by desperate papers. Luan also pretty sure won't happen. Robertson probably will be the LB we sign.

2.) 14 May 2017 16:50:25
Whata the point in getting hMions league if qe sign robertson. Not even good ebough for hull.

Nees a better lb than that.

{Ed002's Note - If Gomez were to leave then Liverpool will look to add a centre back. Robertson is a player that Liverpool are looking to buy. Simon Kjaer is likely heading to the South of France (if an issuette can be resolved). Luan is of interest but his ownership needs untangling.}

3.) 14 May 2017 17:42:01
Thanks Ed2. Without yours and Ed1's knowledge we'd all almost certainly be lost. ☺.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Nick.}

4.) 14 May 2017 18:33:27
Shame. No lb fix then.

How are yoy going to improve when you buy players like that.

Listen i know support and don't trash but he's just not good enough in any sense of the word.

The money city and united will spend his summer will see them add aboht 150 mil of quality each. Chelsea and arsenal. Totteham i don't know about with the new stadium.

But we have to buy better than that.

Ed001 has done notbing buy rave avout sessegnon and tierney. Celtic and fulham, they are very attainable.

Robertson has to be one of the last choicea rather leave it.

You all will have a go at me but this is why we have never won the premier league. Simple. Signing no better than what's in the team or academy.

Should only wver sign better than what you have.

Robertson better than gomez, milner or even moreno at lb? Nopes.

5.) 14 May 2017 18:44:51
If Luan is the same Luan as played for Brazil at the Olympics, he's a lively kid with some ability. But no idea what he's been up to in the past year and of course, Olympics football isn't a joke but it's not the Premier League.

6.) 14 May 2017 19:16:20
Not all players cost 100 million mind. sometimes you need to spot something in a player and have some balls to take the gamble.

7.) 14 May 2017 20:01:35
Buying part of a defence that shipped in 67 goals so far this season is certainly a gamble, especially when his stats are far worse than Milner and he's only been ok. I just don't see the positives in Robinson. Average defending, average attacking ability. If that's the best we can do then God help us. We need quality not another Klavan.

8.) 14 May 2017 20:07:09
Robertson was subbed today in hulls biggest game of the season at half time after getting roasted, if this is true it's utterly embarrassing.

9.) 14 May 2017 20:26:26
LI've we did with Deli Alli 😀.

10.) 14 May 2017 20:49:52
Like pennant, babel, bellamy, johnson, skrtel, voronin, aspas, alberto, ballotelli, poulsen, konchesky, dossena, adam, diouf, diao, jovanovic, cheyrou, pongolle, cole, traore, cissokho, sahin, ngog, borini, xavier, nunez, allen, kyriarkos, lambert, markovic, moreno, insua, kromkamp, josemi, barragan, el zhar, klavan, degen, assaidi, yesil, manquillo, bogdan, jones, merieles, benteke, downing, carroll, enrique (ANOTHER LB), coates,

A few next henrys and gerrards in there.

6 lbs

Atleast 8 of them signed after qualifying for the champions leage the year before and finishing 2nd

No premier leages for us after.

I guarentee i could search all those namea on here and archives permitted the post will be "going to be world class" "drop x player he's better" "sell him we have our replacement anyway".

There all run of the mill players ans that's how you stay a run of the mill team.

Yoy have to buy the best to be the best or atleast better than what you have.

Itz about raising expectation in the club. Alaba should be the target and why not, aim for an a and youll get a b. Aim for a c and well, no premier league tropheys tells you.

Hate not every player costs millions, well atleast 80% do and they get you titles and trophys.
You only say that to justify signing bad players.

Btw bellamy was a hit his second time around.

11.) 14 May 2017 22:24:02
Is there any chance we could buy be looking to buy two left backs this summer? Robertson might make an ok backup but I'd be disappointed to see him brought in as first choice.

This would mean Moreno leaving, of course.

Robertson against the likes of Messi, Dybala etc in the Champions League could be very embarrassing.



04 May 2017 14:17:44
Ed001 you have said we are looking at right backs and have been since last summer.

However the Sharkopod only referenced left backs, and Pereira who can play on both sides.

Is it basically Pereira or nobody? Or are there other targets you haven't mentioned. Perhaps even the chance of signing 2 left backs and moving Milner to right back?

Just curious as there is a good chance Arnold's long term future is in midfield or out wide. So if Clyne was replaced it would need to be a player for the immediate future and preferably long term.

Sorry if it has been answered but I can find nothing on the boards or the sharkopods.

MK Scouser

{Ed001's Note - Pereira is a right back who can play left. He is the main target for right back, with TAA and Milner as cover. The priority is left back this summer, right back is seen as secondary. I really do not know of any other option right now for the right back berth. I will ask and see if it is a bit like Chilwell last season or if there are others being scouted.}

1.) 04 May 2017 14:32:19
Does this mean Clyne's being pushed out? RB is a position we can improve significantly by replacing Clyne with Periera.
The link up between Periera and Mane will be deadly.

{Ed001's Note - yes, we are looking to replace Clyne.}

2.) 04 May 2017 14:38:38
Ed001, with the situation you described at right back is it likely that we'll see Clyne move on?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

3.) 04 May 2017 15:10:49
Great news, feel for clyne as he at least puts the effort in unlike others but he's really not suited to the team.

4.) 04 May 2017 15:23:17
I think I am right in saying ed002 said he doubts pereira will move to us. So there must be more we are looking at.

5.) 04 May 2017 15:24:06
Has any clubs shown interest in Clyne ed? Where do you see his likely destination?

6.) 04 May 2017 15:15:25
Ed001,any clubs interested in Clyne?

{Ed001's Note - I don't know of much interest right now mate.}

7.) 04 May 2017 15:17:53
Hey ed01, hope you are having a good day!

A question in a similar vein - we are being strongly linked to recruitements in CB and CM, which is kind of understandable with european footie coming next season. Now, it is by no means certain that new players will arrive in those positions, but IF that happens, which members of the current squad would in your opinion be most in danger of being dropped to the bench, or moved on? of course, best case scenario will just see increased competition and rotation, and starters being selected on merit, but I am very curious what the current hierarchy is, so to say.


{Ed001's Note - I do not expect a centre back to arrive this summer, if one did, it would probably be a bad sign for Gomez though.

As for CM, it is likely that Lucas would be leaving.}

8.) 04 May 2017 15:24:06
Has any clubs shown interest in Clyne ed? Where do you see his likely destination?

{Ed001's Note - not yet, but the clubs likely to be interested are those in the lower half of the Prem. If I had to put money on it though, it would be on a return to Palace.}

9.) 04 May 2017 16:02:50
Clyne likely to leav this summer then ed? didn't see that coming mate.

{Ed001's Note - possibly. Even probably.}

10.) 04 May 2017 16:22:39
Its is a pity Klopp couldn't convince his fellow countyman Lahm into not retiring at the end of the season and bring him in on a free for a season or two. He can cover left back, right back and the central midfield position that would be left by Lucas, plus a whole lot of experience. there isn't much he hasn't won.

I know he is 33 now, but so is Dani Alves and watching him play top flight CL football last night you wouldn't think so, set up both of Higuains goals too

Just a thought, Jurgen.

11.) 04 May 2017 16:52:31
Cheers ed

Has him leaving always been the plan then or has it developed recently?

{Ed001's Note - we tried to replace him last summer.}

12.) 04 May 2017 16:52:49
Leaving this summer Ed mate? Didn't know that Klopp is that discontent with Clyne?

{Ed001's Note - why? We had told you last summer the club were looking for a right back.}

13.) 04 May 2017 17:18:36
What is it in Clynes game that Klopp doesn't like?

{Ed001's Note - because he is not good enough.}

14.) 04 May 2017 17:42:32
Peirera likely ed?

{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}

15.) 04 May 2017 17:46:36
Right mate, cheers! Is Pereira better?

{Ed001's Note - my mother is better.}

16.) 04 May 2017 17:58:29
Ed 1 that's the best reply I've ever seen on here.

{Ed001's Note - many a true word spoken in jest.....}

17.) 04 May 2017 18:04:09
Haha that's harsh 😂.

{Ed001's Note - harsh but true. I can tell which players are particularly bad thanks to the missus, who hasn't a clue about football, but counts the number of times I swear at a particular player for doing something wrong. She has had to get an abacus to keep track of Clyne's mistakes......}

18.) 04 May 2017 18:07:50
are we interested in her then ed lol.

{Ed001's Note - funny you should say that, she is currently in the process of moving back to the UK just in case.}

19.) 04 May 2017 18:08:57
Nice response to Scouserseb lol people who rate Clyne really do grind my gears, he's bang average in nearly every department. Really disappointed that you say we aren't looking for a CB though Ed, the defensive problems will continue as long as Lovren is first choice.

{Ed001's Note - the plan is to give Gomez a chance to develop into first choice over the season. You can't change fullbacks and centre backs in one summer, so it has to be a bit by bit job. With a bit of luck, Gomez will mean we do not need to worry next summer either.}

20.) 04 May 2017 18:20:19
Thanks for all the replies Ed001. You are a star!

{Ed001's Note - aww thanks. I am blushing now!}

21.) 04 May 2017 18:20:23
Ed001 is spot on regarding Clyne, I did mention not long ago that Klopp wants TAA in the team next season so that could spell the end for him.

22.) 04 May 2017 19:02:25
Palace fans I know don't rate him either and may not want him back.

23.) 04 May 2017 19:21:27
Surely West Ham would be interested. Have barely played a real RB all season. Clearly bilic doesn't rate byram, tho I suppose bilic may be off anyway.

24.) 04 May 2017 19:27:18
Hey edd may I ask if your back together is the wedding back on. Very happy for you if it getting married maybe we can do a whip around and get you a present big love xx.

25.) 04 May 2017 21:44:45
We aren't getting married now Walter. I pulled the plug because he kept accusing me of being after half of his Dubai apartment. I mean sure it had a pretty decent view, but I'm not like that. I only got it valued in secret because I was curious.

{Ed001's Note - if I owned an apartment that would be a good idea MKS.

nrw - no mate, I was just kidding about the missus counting my swearing.}

26.) 04 May 2017 22:55:31
Ahh bless as long as all the edds and posters are happy and healthy.

27.) 05 May 2017 06:24:29
I'm not convinced by all this. If Klopp wasn't keen on Clyne then TAA would be playing. Most of these rumours are rubbish.

{Ed001's Note - you do realise that TAA is not ready this season and is being eased in gradually right? The rubbish is you thinking Couts would be on the bench when Barca's midfield has been on the wane for years and is why they are struggling this season.}

28.) 05 May 2017 10:50:45
If we do not find a RB this summer, will TAA be the starting RB next season? And if we are also unable to offload Clyne, will TAA still be ahead of him?

29.) 05 May 2017 11:27:47
Adding to the fire here, I was told by a friend in January, a business partner of Ryan Bertrand, that Clyne himself was looking to leave, and that Southampton would be looking at Sturridge this summer.

I then asked how much they're going to charge us for Sturridge. I'm thinking at least £40m based on recent deals.

I'll get my coat.

Top bit is true, though - Clyne wants to move back down south.

30.) 05 May 2017 17:54:35
Ed001, so matip with Gomez as maybe first choice, lovren covering. If Lucas leaves, do you think klavan will stay? I know he's just arrived this season, but I'd rather keep Lucas as cover for both and move on klavan?

{Ed001's Note - Klavan is staying anyway, he is back up only.}

31.) 07 May 2017 10:58:49
Honestly don't think Klopp fancies Joe Gomez anymore, last year found minutes for Ojo, Stewart, in the first part of this season both underwhelmed when given some minutes, haven't been heard of since, but Woodburn and TAA found some minutes with some lively performances or cameos given a chance, even with the injuries at the position, Klopp has chosen Lucas over him.



10 Mar 2017 19:39:21
Not sure on the Chamberlain rumours.

He is clearly a very talented player and seems to be one of the more passionate Arsenal players. He was the only guy who turned up against Bayern. He is very versatile able to play basically any role in our team ahead of Henderson. At only 23 it is very typical of English football that he has already been written off. He has sublime technical ability, great balance and can produce moments of magic on rare ocacssions.

However, there are clearly some things to worry about. His end product for one is truly terrible at times. He can go past 4 or 5 players and then put his cross on the roof of the net! Frustrating is an understatement. What truly gets alarm bells ringing though has to be his injury record. He is out for about half of every season, normally.

Torn on this rumour. To be fair he is allegedly a Liverpool fan and very good friends with Henderson so maybe it makes sense if Can and Milner leave. He could be a versatile impact sub in their place. You have to wonder if it is worth the risk though. Milner although being 8 years older is arguably just as good and can additionally cover both full back positions, but just as importantly is never injured. I'm sure this rumour will split opinion, but I am undecided for now.

MK Scouser

1.) 10 Mar 2017 21:00:31
Me too could end up being brilliant or an injury prone burden but would take him for 8 mill or some sort of swap deal with studge.

2.) 10 Mar 2017 21:18:52
He's not good enough and injury prone.

3.) 10 Mar 2017 22:07:29
There are better options out there.

4.) 10 Mar 2017 22:14:18
Oxs would be perfect for us he could play in the Lallana role of outwide but I don't know if he gets in the team.

5.) 10 Mar 2017 22:23:06
His attitude on the pitch is sublime, just what every fan wants to see, maybe not the big money game changing signing but I'm not sure that's klopps philosophy. He is the type of player that lifts people around him and that's priceless. If klopp worked with him I'd imagine ox is the type of player that would go to war for JK. Could be an inspired signing.

6.) 10 Mar 2017 22:15:59
MK the amount of times Klopp has left me with egg on my face and eating humble pie Im getting sick of the stuff lol. I wouldn't judge any decision of Klopps until a fair assessment can be made. If Klopp feels he can work with Gotze again, if Klopp thinks he can better manage the Ox I'll reserve my judgement until after a season or two. All this pie and i don't even like pastry :-P.

7.) 10 Mar 2017 22:16:59
How can you say he is "not good enough" though? He is 23 years old and has never had a chance to progress due to injuries. At 23 years old most people wanted Carragher sold. At 23 years old Sturridge had been rejected by Man City and Chelsea.

Chamberlain is a very talented player, with a lot of potential. The gamble is not whether he is good enough, it is whether he can finally stay fit and find consistency. Both of which are fairly related.

I have no doubt that on his game, 100% fit he is good enough for our team. How often will that happen though? That is the real question here.

8.) 10 Mar 2017 22:19:00
Maybe I'm watching a different player but Oxlade is a bang average player. Hasn't got electric pace enough to be a threat out wide, his delivery is poor and hasn't the guile to be a number 10 and he lacks the intelligence and physical attributes to play in centre midfield. He can go to City, Chelsea or United as far as I'm concerned.

9.) 10 Mar 2017 22:40:31
We don't need another running midfielder MK. We have it in with Wiji and Lallana. We need a deep lying midfielder.

10.) 10 Mar 2017 22:40:48
He's still a young lad.
Best is yet to come from him.

11.) 10 Mar 2017 23:10:11
His attitude stinks. Remember that little strop he threw on the field in the first leg against Bayern? Sorry but I only want players who are fully committed, with a good attitude and will not strop on the field.

12.) 11 Mar 2017 01:14:11
Not for me thanks.

13.) 11 Mar 2017 01:22:10
Da Red man that strop showed nothing but his commitment. He tried to close down 3 passes with no help from the rest of team who had given up.

Don't think we need him though.

14.) 11 Mar 2017 01:27:39
Daredman you know why he did that because no one was trying to get the bull back with him . Oxs would be a good signing there's a player in him it just needs to be unlock.

I remember people saying hendo and Lallana are bang average look at them now.

People did not what mane because of his attitude and have we seen anything bad from mane

And if you let him go to a rival and do well you look really silly.

Have we got a replace for Lallana because I have not seen one in are team . Gini naver like him

I'm not saying he should be a top target but if you can get him for 15-20mil you can't go wrong.

15.) 11 Mar 2017 01:28:19
Would rather some of our youngsters get a chance than injury prone new signings.

16.) 11 Mar 2017 09:28:48
Problem is can he stay fit?

How does he stay fot in a klopp team thag works harder than almost any other?

17.) 11 Mar 2017 10:08:59
He's injury prone, has shown little development since bursting onto the scene (albeit this has been hampered by injuries), he seems to lack game intelligence and rarely makes a big mark on the game. I'm not really sure what he would offer or if he would be of the required quality (even if he stayed injury free) and, on top of what would have to be seen as a huge gamble, he would not come cheap either.
If the club is to be smart about its recruitment, and get real bang for their buck, then they must invest the money far more wisely than in a player like Oxlaide Chamberlain. We need to improve our recruitment in terms of money spent and quality - Chamberlain represents a huge gamble and one I don't think we are in the position to take. I our money was limitless a la City then we would have more leeway - as it stands we simply cannot afford to be taking big risks and that is exactly what a move for Oxlaide Chamberlain would be.

18.) 11 Mar 2017 15:19:04
You lost me at "ahead of Henderson" Pure nonsense that!

You then further lost me by then saying he could be a "versatile impact sub"!

Contradicting much?

He'd pad out the squad giving us another option off the bench but he's no starter.

19.) 11 Mar 2017 15:59:43
I look at it this way: Is he going to improve our first team? No. Is he going to start ahead of our first choice 11? No. At Arsenal, he has been played wide and in a central role, so not a specialist but bit of a squad player (potential or not) .

Add his injury issues, and that fact that he is English (over-hyped and over-priced), and it looks like a transfer we probably should avoid.

20.) 11 Mar 2017 17:18:36
That's a good argument Seano. I cannot say I disagree.

21.) 11 Mar 2017 21:25:20
Mind bender I think you misread my post. I mean he can play in any position further forward than defensive midfield. Not instead of Henderson. Hence my suggestion that he could be versatile cover or an impact player.

AG I would say that when fit and on form he would be knocking on the door to start ahead of Lallana. That is why I am querying his fitness and consistency though because it is so unreliable. I'm only instigating a debate buddy. Like I say, I'm pretty indifferent on the subject. I don't think he would be the worst signing but as you rightly point out, him being English will inflate his price; even with only a year on his contract. So there is probably better value elsewhere.

Somebody else used the phrase already, but Chamberlain is the personification of a gamble.

22.) 12 Mar 2017 11:51:21
Think Chamberlain would be a very shrewd signing and would probe a lot of people wrong.

23.) 12 Mar 2017 16:46:19
Chamberlain just isn't worth wasting the money on. If it wasn't for the fact he was English he wouldn't even be a £10 million player. We would be better off signing Brandt as he's got more potential and even now is a far superior footballer. If it's simply a matter of choosing a winger because he's 'English', we may as well do our annual trip to Southampton and buy Redmond.

24.) 13 Mar 2017 17:42:52
He wants to play te box to box role, he actually had a very good run at it whenFlamini was't good enough after re signing for Arsenal, and coquelin was out. He didn't show enough for me then to suggest he'd make it. He's a wide player for Asernal when most ohters are fit, and atm, he's been overtaken by Iwobi. I said before if we're getting an arsenal player for a central role, I'd rather it be Ramsey wo for me is much more accomplished.




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21 Sep 2017 13:59:48
Ed002 what do you make of the result of the court case regarding the school child Liverpool screwed over!

Apparently LFC and the Premier League have paid a £49,000 settlement fee to cover the kids school fee debts, and cleared any compensation due to Stoke so the kid can move on with his career.

What an absolute mess, but i sounds like Liverpool got away with one there. I hope they learn their lesson as it does leave a rather sour taste, this one. Shocking that an establishment as rich as football even took this to court. The fees should've just been wiped to save face in my opinion.

Is this the end of it? And if so have we got off lightly in your opinion?

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - It is not the result of a court case MK. Liverpool were desperate to avoid a court case due to a major issue (the "smoking gun" I mentioned throughout the summer) that would have arisen. The Premier League will obviously not be paying anything - Liverpool will pay the compensation due to Stoke to release him from his contract, all school fees until he of age and compensation to the parents. The kid will however not move to Liverpool but will be allowed to join any other side free of charge - this might well be Everton. The Premier League are owed a significant "thank you" from Liverpool for facilitating this.}

1.) 21 Sep 2017 15:06:22
I dare not ask what the smoking gun was. Sounds like we dodged a bullet if you'll pardon the pun.

Cheers though Ed. Thank god it is
resolved though, and i hope the kid gets his career back on track at Everton or wherever.

Sounds like the Premier League have done us a solid though! Phew!

2.) 21 Sep 2017 15:16:28
I'm happy the club will get everything sorted. Shows maturity to right their wrongs. Hopefully learn from all the new rules in place and move on from this.

3.) 21 Sep 2017 15:13:07
Thank you premier league.

4.) 21 Sep 2017 15:42:17
MK you are on this forum often enough to have gleaned from ed02 what the smoking gun was surely? It was related to claims made in Gerrard's autobiography re player recruitment.

{Ed002's Note - It was nothing to do with that at all stoneage.}

5.) 21 Sep 2017 15:53:13
Good to hear that mess has been put to bed.
Should take the money out of the individual's salaries who caused this in the first place.
I was told Liverpool wanted this to go to trial as they refused to pay the money for the kid's education.
Either way, they partially got what they deserved, yet got off lightly in many ways.
Hope the kid goes on to have a fantastic career!

{Ed002's Note - You were told completely wrong.}

6.) 21 Sep 2017 16:28:10
I get the impression stoneage that the issue which would've arisen was more related to Liverpool bribing the player to lie to his then current club (Stoke), thus manipulating a minor and his family into breaching their contract. I would imagine that is gross misconduct, an actual breaking of the law (not just football rules) and we could've seen a points deduction or a complete transfer ban. That's all just guess work though from piecing together various bits of information I've read here and elsewhere.

Whatever it was, we should move on now we know this is the end of it.

{Ed002's Note - Move on - you don't know what it was about.}

7.) 21 Sep 2017 16:41:07
Looks like it Ed002.
I'm easily led lol.

8.) 21 Sep 2017 16:51:44
No problem Ed002, that's what i was suggesting anyway mate. Thanks for your insights as always.

9.) 21 Sep 2017 18:37:58
Very happy this situation has been sorted out for the family and the kid. Hope he goes on to have a good career.

10.) 22 Sep 2017 11:40:06
Talking of kids, I forget the lad's name (but it's quite long I think, foreign, eastern European perhaps? ) Who signed for liverpool in the summer and was hailed as a fantastic signing and made it into the papers (unusual for juniors) I think he was 16 but not sure. Do you know who I mean eds? Well I just wanted to ask how he is getting on? Has he performed well and if so how long until he starts getting reserve matches etc. (He didn't look anywhere near ready in terms to his physicality. Was very slight)



20 Sep 2017 16:39:10
Stand, i missed your reply earlier.

I wasn't implying United are doing things wrong due to their squad age. I am a big advocate of having a blend of youth an experience which you have got perfect right now. You do things differently is all.

In 3-5 years when the likes of Micky, Mata, Fellaini, Ibra, Carrick, Valencia, Young, Herrera and the like are gone, you won't bring through any of your own players under Mourinho, or even sign young players to develop. Mourinho's idea of a young player is an already established 22/ 23 year old who costs £30-90m.

Therefore when all those players are gone, he'll want mega bucks to replace them. By contrast, we need to have a crop of cheaper younger players already coming through to take over so we don't have to scratch about for bargain basement stop gaps like Matip, Milner, Lambert and Klavan.

Genuine question; do you think Rashford will hang around playing as a winger when he is a better striker? He'll never get to play there though because Mou would rather pay Ibra massive money and pay £80m for Lukaku. I see Rashford going to Spurs or Arsenal in a few years time purely because he will be replaced by a big money signing for instant success.

I'm not for one second saying it doesn't work by the way. You'll be an elite club for a good few years doing that, but it is unsustainable (hence why Mourinho always leaves after a short spell as manager at every club without exception) . He never plans for a smooth transition into a next generation because he never plans on staying anywhere for very long! So when the time comes that a lot of players are too old, he will jump ship and leave a mess for someone else to come and fix. United have a revenue stream which practically makes their resources unlimited so they can afford to go through that cycle every 3-5 years, and Chelsea and City have investment money from over seas that we also cannot match.

Klopp has to plan for the future because we can't afford to buy our way out of a transition in 5 years time. Your transition takes a year with a good manager because of the cash you have. Our transition takes 27 years and counting because we're skint 😂

We need to have a constant conveyer of younger players from our own or other academies so that we can supplement the squad with them and only have to go big on a few players a year. United pay more wages and transfer fees for squad players than we can afford on players for the starting 11! We need the likes of Ward, Karius, Arnold, Gomez, Robertson, Grujic, Can, Woodburn, Kent, Origi, Solanke etc because probably only 4 of them will come good and then only 2 of them will stay with the club! We live in a different world.

United can afford to gut the team every few years and just pay for a new one. We can't. It's no criticism of the way you are doing it mate. It works and gets much quicker results than the way we are doing it, but it is also far more expensive and unless you have the cash, you have to do what Liverpool and Spurs are trying to do. You are not our model for success. Dortmund and Athletico Madrid are.

Hope i didn't offend you mate. I was just trying to explain to some of our fans why we have to have patience and do things differently to yourselves. The last time we had a manager (Rafa) who tried to compete with United and Chelsea financially the club almost went bust due to a wage bill and debts it could not finance. People have short memories and forget that very quickly though.

MK Scouser

{Ed025's Note - good post that MK..

1.) 20 Sep 2017 17:33:41
Great post, MK.

2.) 20 Sep 2017 17:36:31
Liverpool were in trouble because of H&G and the interest they leveraged against the club. You do realise that Rafa had Lfcin the CL every season bar 1 and generating very substantial income due to the reasonable success he had in it?

3.) 20 Sep 2017 17:58:28
Excellent post and very true MK.

4.) 20 Sep 2017 18:18:29
Rover, Rafa had over 50 players on the wage bill at one stage. For his time he also spent a lot of money trying to play Chelsea and United at their own game. His squads were always bloated and largely full of average players because he didn't have the money he was spending. Rafa was as much to blame fir our financial predicament as H&G. He just got off with the fans because he loved the club and brought us relative success compared to the 15 which preferred him. It didn't work though and it was completely unsustainable for a club with our revenue stream.

We are not there yet. We can get there, but it takes time. We are 20 years at least behind Man Utd on the commercial side of things, and about 10 years behind Chelsea and Arsenal.

City are not at there yet either but that doesn't matter when you are owned by an oil oligarch with rich fiends to help you bypass FFP rules.

5.) 20 Sep 2017 18:37:20
*15 years preceding him* auto correct 😐.

6.) 20 Sep 2017 18:42:09
Mk. Liverpool gained there biggest profit circa £8 million in 07 (i think) . It took Lfc another 7 years to make another profit (£900,000). To my memory they also made a net £30 million profit in the next season only to be wiped out by £36 million interest because of H&G leverage. Liverpools wage bill was the 4th highest behind United, Chelsea and Arsenal. So it was in line with their standing at the time. You have clearly disregarded the revenue Rafa brought into the club with his CL success (circa £20 million a season) .

7.) 20 Sep 2017 18:26:26
Cracking post.

8.) 20 Sep 2017 19:07:11
Also Rafa signed 54 players in his time which is a lot but he sold or released 70 in the same time. So im not too sure where you are getting this squad of 50 from. In only 1 season (04/ 05) did he sign more players than he released (1 more) .

9.) 20 Sep 2017 20:05:35
No idea of the facts and figures so i won't dispute them. Whatever the books said, Rafa wasted a lot of money. Itandje, Cavalieri, Degen, Johnson, Pauletta, Skrtel, Plessis, Dossena, Aurelio, El Zhar, Babel, Leto, Keane, Riera, Pennant, N'Gog, Voronin, Cisse, Morientes, Bellamy, Aquilani etc.

Don't let a few financial statistics paper over that buddy. Can't argue with the official figures and Rafa did earn a lot of revenue through CL qualification and progression. But he also wasted a lot of it trying to sign too many players. Although he sold as many as he signed, most of his sales were at a massive loss, and you have to consider the wages and agent fees we must've blown on such a constant squad rebuilding every summer.

If the club actually broke even most years, fair play but those figures sound wrong to me, considering the club was running at a £1m a week deficit when FSG took over. And it is impossible to deny he wasted money, even if he was making as much back. Regarding the 50 man squad, i remember reading it on here once but no idea if it was from an Ed or another poster. But we apparently had over 50 players on first team squad salaries. So some of them were probably over paid youth prospects to be fair.

10.) 20 Sep 2017 20:41:04
Keep up the good work mk I am starting to really enjoy your work. Not quite Harry level but I take my hat off to you.

11.) 20 Sep 2017 20:48:48
Can't comment on those nos., Rover BUT we do know this much: Rafa spent money and recruited over 70 players all together, most of which were average or simply poor. Simply having 50 players on the wage bill is damning in itself and is unacceptable. Rafa tried to play a game he was never going to win cos he had not enough cash to back it up. It tooke years for us to get out of that mess and we are just regaining our footing financially at this point BUT we lag behind the other rivals considerably. That is his fault and his only. No one else.

12.) 20 Sep 2017 20:58:04
Cheers Walter!

13.) 20 Sep 2017 21:51:08
Im no huge Rafa fan, but you can't ignore that he bought us some good players aswell. Alonso, Garcia, Reina, Agger, Bellamy, Aurelio, Kuyt, Arbeloa, Mascherano, Lucas, Maxi, Sterling.

14.) 21 Sep 2017 00:12:36
MK, no offence at all mate. I always enjoy your posts, I think your one of the better posters to be honest. I obviously mistook what you were getting at. And I agree, we clearly are on anther level to Liverpool. I hate when other people label us the same as City and Chelsea though, not that you did, just in general. Obviously city and Chelsea have cash from sugar daddy owners. We're different and we earn our cash.

I genuinly think both Rashford and Martial are special talents mate. And I think both will be at the club long term. I personally don't want Zlatan back, but in reality it's only 6 months, and it's an option if Lukaku is injured or needs resting, although I'd rather play one of Rashford or Martial through the middle if Lukaku is out.

The big difference with Jose is he is much better in the market that the last two fools. When you looks at the signings Moyes and LVG made, only Mata and Hererra were good signings really. Under Jose, we've had Bailly, Miki, Pogba, Lukaku, Matic, and then Zlatan on free and Lindelof. The squad is so much stronger this season. We have spent a lot but it's spent well imo.

I suppose the question is will Klopp be given that time to build a squad? People comment on Jose leaving clubs after 2/ 3 years, but at clubs like Madrid and Chelsea your out the door with no silverware. I think he'll stay longer at united. If Klopp is trophyless again this season how long will be be before the fans turn, or fsg decide enough is enough? Interesting times ahead anyway mate.

15.) 21 Sep 2017 03:33:00
No doubt Stoupid. Was just making the point that he did waste a lot. Not sure Bellamy and Aurelio can go on the good signing list though. One lasted a season and got moved on for fighting with team mates, and the other played about 5 games a season.

Cheers for the reply Stand. Yeah your money comes from your revenue stream so to my mind it's fair game until they make rules which stop it.

{Ed001's Note - second time round Bellers had a good spell.}

16.) 21 Sep 2017 12:03:03
Yeah good post mk. There is a strange pride I feel (even though I of course have had nothing to do with it except buy shirts etc) when I see a youth player making it in ghe first team. Especially when they are a success. It's all relative and scouting is key. We are getting keita for half the money utd paid for pogba and keita looks the better player to me (definitely a better dancer)

Regarding rashford (who I rate and would rather have at lfc than lukaku) I was told he is a manc and loves utd, he will probably out last Jose at utd. He should be playing up front though. It won't happen coz he doesn't weigh 20 stone, I don't think would go to spurs to play up front coz of a guy called harry kane, if they changed their formation, rashford kane and alli would be a hell of a front line.



20 Sep 2017 10:40:09
Just for one second, imagine City without Silva, De Bruyne and Aguero at the same time. Or Man United without Pogba, Mkhitaryan and Lukaku at the same time.

Now sit there and tell us all that having 3 of our best players out injured (Coutinho and Lallana) returning from injury (Mane and Coutinho), sulking (Coutinho) or suspended (Mane) has had no impact on the start to our season. If you can do that then you are just a down right liar, looking for a scapegoat to take out your anger on.

We have suffered as a result of a few individual mistakes, i admit. I refuse to join in with the boo boys so early though. You're not supporters. You are spoilt brats who want us to go and do what City, Chelsea and United have done and attempt to buy the title.

Anyway this post is not intended to be about our season, more the general issues with modern fans.

We are trying to build sustainable success. Not a team that needs gutting every 3-5 years. Our transfer record is £48m on Keita depending on which report you read. I mean Jesus Christ, Everton paid £50m for Sigurdson, City have paid £50m for about 6 different players, United have paid £200m on Lukaku and Pogba alone, Chesea have been spending £30m+ on 4 players a year since 2004. Even Arsenal have paid £40m for Sanchez, £50m for Ozil and £60m for Lacazette.

We cannot compete financially with anyone else in the top 7 except maybe Spurs. Yes, even Everton have more money than us now.

So what? They'll all keep having to sign a shed load of players every window and through crafting our own team and keeping consistency, we will be able to compete eventually without having to blow a kings ransom every year. Klopp wants to do things the right way.

He at least deserves 3 or 4 years. I thought 3 years but after hearing his comments where he said he'd win the league in 4 years, I'm prepared to give him that. If you don't have the patience, give somebody else your oar and get off the boat. Go swim over to Man Utd's boat with the £200m petrol motor on the back.

I'm so sick of this. The fans of football are becoming worse than the players. Your lack of patience and sense of entitlement is akin to a 7 year old little girl whose daddy bought her the wrong colour pony for Easter. It's actually pathetic.

Constructive criticism is fine. The absolute melt down and temper tantrums though? Not okay. "but i pay for my ticket". Oh get out of here. You're lucky if you have a ticket. I've seen 4 games in my life. Maybe you'd be willing to pay more so you can sign more expensive players? Oh no wait, you all walked out of the game when that was even suggested. That's fine, and you all stood up for what is right. But then don't moan when we aren't dining with the big boys in the transfer window because we now have to run other aspects of the club in a morally right fashion. You want your cake, but you want to eat it too. Typical bloody 21st century children. No, not children. People. Even adults nowadays want everything handed to them on a silver platter.

Jesus Christ, rant over. Good luck Ed's, you are in for one hell of a week if we don't slaughter Leicester this weekend. I need a holiday.

MK Scouser

1.) 20 Sep 2017 10:57:38
We could easily compete against the likes Arsenal and Spurs and we have outspend both teams from quite some time.

2.) 20 Sep 2017 11:06:10
Relax mate, you'll always have moaners who moan for the sake of moaning on an anonymous forum.

The ones who moan, then don't give their reasons or their antidotes to find solutions are most likely supporters of other clubs here on a wind up/ immature kids/ mentally special or genuine basket cases.

If you get sucked into their waffle, you'll end up like them consumed by the utter misery in their lives.

I'm all for constructive debate and a moan when it's merited so long as you give good reason and your own ideas on how to repair the damage but a blind moaner will never see the sun shine MK.

3.) 20 Sep 2017 11:20:05
Its about expectations MK. a fair lot of us ( me included ) expected us to fight for the league this season. But most feel now we aren't even in contention so the constant grimace.
As usual I give any team till 19 games before making any judgement. But I feel Klopp has missed a trick this transfer window and and in early season it is a bit evident that the defense is still a mess and has left Klopp flabbergasted.
What particularly annoys me is we were going all good at the start and then suddenly the attack is having a bad phase where the ball won't just go in. Couple it would non sense defending and we are left with little positives to take out of the games.
We have crashed out of contention for one cup, it is small trophy that we won't be winning and its just early season - So we are panicking.
Klopp will get it right by the 8th-9th game of the season but till its tough to watch 30 shots on goal without scoring and conceding 2 in 2.

4.) 20 Sep 2017 11:20:45
The problem is nothing to do with those players being available or not, we are absolutely shocking in centre defence and we are flaccid and weak in midfield. Those problems haven't been addressed and we are a soft touch. Relying on the likes of Klavan leaves us vulnerable as he has no discernible qualities, he is poor in the air and poor at dealing with quick mobile forwards. Then wasting £35m on Oxlade Chamberlain in the knowledge that we are so poor in central defence and midfield just compounds that as it doesn't address the actual lack of quality that we have.

5.) 20 Sep 2017 11:24:32
Harry we can't get near Arsenal financially. Wenger not spending the money doesn't mean it's not there when he wants to.

I know Kev I'm just getting very upset this week. It is hard enough dealing with the media and other fans exagerrating the situation. You'd think as a fan base we could stand together and protect our players; maybe even support them? 😮 We're just helping everyone else push the knife in though!

I've seen anything on here from Klopp out, to taking the armband off Henderson, and some people have even gone as far as saying Woodburn, Gomez, Arnold and Solanke should be playing with the u23's. It's nonsense. Send them back to youth football now and that will be their careers here done. It'll destroy their confidence and by the time they get another chance they'll be too old. 17-19 is the age you step up in this country. Once a player goes past that age in English football, their top flight careers are usually done because nobody will accept mistakes from 21-24 year olds. They barely accept mistakes from teenagers!

6.) 20 Sep 2017 11:29:27
There's being a spoilt brat and there is being unhappy with the current situation. I think we are entitled to be unhappy quite frankly the past three games have been subpar, however I agree with you in the sense that people are calling for klopps head (a minority) and those who for some reason believe we should be winning every game regardless because 'we are Liverpool init'. If it looks like the lads are trying I wouldn't fault them, which was the case until we conceded, after that we just look like rabbits in the headlights. Somebody else mentioned but I've noticed myself, there was a belief of 'ah well we've conceded but we'll our score you', now it's 'oh f*ck' and we just lose it.

7.) 20 Sep 2017 11:37:23
Accusing Liverpool fans with a lack of patience? 25 plus years and waiting! I think you do need a break.

8.) 20 Sep 2017 12:02:28
No issue with being upset or the like. SGred put up a brilliantly constructive post about how he thinks we should deal with this bad form. There was no panic, no over reaction. Just a calculated opinion on where we're going wrong. That's fine.

I'm not in some kind of bubble thinking everything is rosey. We are 4 games without a win. All I'm calling for is perspective and patience. The knives are out for Chamberlain after one start. That is just ridiculous. He had a bad game excluding one cross which should've been buried. But that doesn't give us the right to start berating him and moaning at Klopp for signing him. It's not like Klopp had Ox and VVD to choose from and chose Ox. He wanted both. Ox shouldn't be carrying the can for the club failing to sign all it's targets.

Klopp should to be fair, but it's also not fair to say he has no clue about the defence. He has signed Karius, Klavan, Matip, Robertson and promoted Ward, Gomez and Arnold. He knows there is an issue and he is trying to fix it. But the talent out their is limited so we have stop gaps for now. What can we do about it? Nothing. So just support the players at the club.

Call them out on bad performances. Criticise constructively. But unless it is a Mignolet like saga where we've had 5 years of mediocrity, then there really isn't justification for some of the posts i see on here.

I just want perspective and patience from people. That is all.

9.) 20 Sep 2017 12:08:40
Don't need Klopp out we need him to work in training on tactical positioning, these guys should be staying extra hours doing the work if they really wanted to, training a few hours a day isn't enough for wht is being paid, you work everyday in football you should have a clue as to where to be on the pitch, Ward needs to be no.1, he did well last year, Gomez should be given time in the centre, we need a real CDM, our midfield is the weakest by a mile in the top 6, Eds do we have a Wenger situation where Klopp likes to think he knows better than everyone else and won't improve cdm and cb? Klop out is crazy shouting though imo.

10.) 20 Sep 2017 12:19:45
Yes MK, it's utter BS.
There will always be these types though.
Best learn to skim these people's posts.

11.) 20 Sep 2017 12:22:23
Klopp has been her 2 years. Not 25. If you want to cling onto a status we had nearly 3 decades ago, and end up like Villa, Leeds or Forrest, then sure. Keep calling for us to rip up the blueprints every 3 years to try and get instant success.

12.) 20 Sep 2017 13:20:52
MK, can you explain why United will need the gut the side in 3 years? Since Fergie left we appointed the wrong manager twice. Moyes and LVG both wasted money on poor signings. Jose has been here 12 months, already winning two trophies I might add, and although he's downing money, unlike the other two useless managers he's spent well. De gea 26, Bailly 23, jones 25, Shaw 22, Pogba 24, Lukaku 24, Martial 21, Rashford 19, Hererra and Miki 28. Hardly over the hill is it? Average age of the side is good with a couple approaching 30 giving good balance.

Jose has put the foundations in for a very good squad for the long term. And he'll add to that. If teams want to compete at the top of the PL consistently and in Europe they need to invest. Players also want to see the club invest in top players. Will Coutinho and Mane stay long term without the club investing in top players? I highly doubt it. Footballs changed and it's near on impossible to do what Fergie did all them years ago.

13.) 20 Sep 2017 14:01:05
stand i have been saying this all along its not fair comaparing United or city or chelsea to us. all these teams are way ahead of us on the pitch and off the pitch. we are more close to spurs or Arsenal.

14.) 20 Sep 2017 19:05:16
Spot on, MK and Olirish. People want to moan and that's all they want to do. They moan about stuff that are obvious BUT have no viable solutions about how we can get better as a team and club. They just do it cos well, they have a right to moan. I just don't pay attention as it is not worth the headache cos all they care about is posting as much BS, OTT comments, they can muster.

Stand, comparing us with these teams who can drop 300m every window on players, is a false comparison that should not even warrant a debate. We are in the Spurs category now of spending when we need to, becoming more creative in our scouting for players who fit the way we play and bring our youth through. That is our standard now cos if we try to compete with such teams (arsenal have more money than we do BUT AW won't spend it) we will definitely go bust like we almost did hen Rafa tried it in the past. That is the reality.



20 Sep 2017 08:41:40
I get that we are going through a bad patch and it is really upsetting/ frustrating. What i don't get is people being so quick to turn on Klopp/ players/ other fans etc. This happened last January when we lost Mane so i am not sure why people are acting so surprised.

This is why i said we shouldn't drop Salah. Without a proper goal threat, teams just see us off until we make a mistake or get tired. I thought Klopp realised this and that was why he signed Salah. With Mane banned there is no way he should've been dropped. Suicidal decision in my opinion, but clearly he wanted to give Grujic and Woodburn a chance. That game will have been excellent for their development. So although Klopps decision was risky, you have to accept he has done it with a long term vision in mind.

If you people can't accept that young players make mistakes, then maybe you should stop asking for them to get chances, or stop complaining when a player like Suso ends up at AC Milan because we didn't have enough patience. Obviously, Klopp hasn't prioritised this competition.

We will come through this patch just like we came through January. So just chill. Every team has a bad spell in every season. Let's just hope this is ours out the way early!

In my opinion we've only really had one bad game and that was the Burnley one where we've drawn 1-1 having had 35 shots. The 5-0 loss to City was down to a red card, the 2-2 draw with Sevilla was a decent result against a good side, and the defeat yesterday wad clearly down to Klopp not prioritising the competition. Even the Burnley draw, we may look back on as a decent point because so far they are taking point off all the big boys.

We've had a tough 10 days. City away, Sevilla in the CL, a resolute Burnley, and then an away trip to Leicester in a cup Klopp didn't really want to be in.

It will pick back up. Mane is nearly back, Salah will play again this weekend, and Klopp and the kids will have learned a lot from these games. Sometimes you have to lose a few to learn.

MK Scouser

1.) 20 Sep 2017 08:57:08
You are delude MK but that's fine under this circumstance. You are yet again drifting away nicely from the actual issue!

2.) 20 Sep 2017 09:05:58
Personally i think you are just making excuses. Who said Klopp didn't want to be in this competition? Is he that arrogant that he doesn't want to be in a competition when he hasn't won a trophy in ages or have LFC?
I could flip your theory on its head and say we have had 1 good result all season (against Arsenal) . Now that we are out of this cup, where do all the fringe players get their game time now? Wait until January and hope we get an easy draw in the FA Cup, nearly 4 months away? Anyway, we are out of the easiest chance we have this season of winning a trophy, it was good enough for Man Utd, semmingly not good enough for Klopp tho.

3.) 20 Sep 2017 09:14:19
I am in love with Irish rover 😎😎😎 posta these days ha ha.

4.) 20 Sep 2017 09:28:13
What is deluded about MK's post? You may disagree and I know perspective is now extinct among our fans BUT MK diagnosed the situation perfectly. The only thing I would add is that we should have crushed Sevilla and beaten Burnley had we taken our chances BUT at least, the chances are being created. Our issues at the back are obvious so no need relitigating that BUT to me, there is positivity to be taken from this situation even tho the frustration is clearly palpable.

Irish, no one knows if he prioritized the EFL Cup or not so we can't say. Also, you saying we've had one good result all season is patently false. Did the Hoff bashing no longer count? How are we in the CL proper w/ o that victory? Did the CP win (a team who has won at Anfield 3 times in a row) no longer count? Look, you are free to have your opinion BUT you are not free to have your own facts.

5.) 20 Sep 2017 09:30:09
Have to agree with the Irish Rover mainly here, sorry.
But all is far from lost, we'll come good again.
It has already been a bit of a roller-coaster and not even xmas yet.

6.) 20 Sep 2017 09:38:00
Bingo who said it was a fact, learn to read the posts man. MK argued that we have only really one bad result (against Burnley), so rolling over against City, drawing with Watford, getting beat by Leicester are ok results? So by the same analogy Arsenal is our only good result this season. Its nonsense.

7.) 20 Sep 2017 09:41:09
Harry I'm not deluded. I'm a realist. I'm also able to see the wood through the trees unlike most on here who have tunnel vision and memories like goldfish.

Rover that is your own prerogative mate. If you want to dramatize everything because you don't want to view things with any perspective, then sure. Do it. Arsenal was our best result, agreed.

We drew 3-3 with Watford and two of their goals get disallowed on another day. Still came away with a point away from home. We the smashed Hoffenheim 6-3 home and away; this is a team who hadn't lost at home in over a year. We've ground out a result against Palace who parked the bus. Something we struggle against historically. Then we demolished Arsenal in the best performance from a Premier league team all season, only for the media to spin it all on a bad Arsenal performance. We were all over City before a sucker punch goal and a red card turned the game on it's head. We were all over Sevilla but they nicked a couple of goals and we missed a penalty. We were all over Burnley but we were let down by a combination of a defensive error from an 18 year old, a penalty not given, and a collective brain fart in front of goal. Then we have gone away to Leicester with basically Henderson, Wijnaldum, plus people returning from injury, kids, and squad players. Even still we were the better team for an hour until Okazaki came on and changed the game.

If you want to put a negative gloss on everything, cool. You do that. But be sure to come and admit you were wrong when Klopp gets it all to click and we go on a decent run of form.

We haven't played a single game yet with Mane, Firmino, Coutinho, Salah and Lallana on the pitch together. When we get that front 5 out there all fit and on form, i don't see any reason why we can't go 10-15 games unbeaten and take some good teams to the cleaners in the process.

It's all over reaction and doom/ gloom on here right now and you all just look silly. We've only lost twice and both defeats had reasons. One a red card (so sell Mane yeah? ), and one us playing a team with no cohesion to give people game time (so sell Solanke, Gomez, Woodburn and Grujic? ) . That isn't excuses, it's a fact. So you are all pretty much crying over a draw against Sevilla and a draw against Burnley, where we easily played well enough to win had a few penalties gone our way and been scored.

I'm not an optimist or a pessimist. I'm a realist who would rather look at things constructively, instead of just smiling or crying. The glass isn't half full or half empty. The glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Get over it, princess.

8.) 20 Sep 2017 09:50:14
The premier league is our target and should always be our main priority.
All the teams playing in the cup compitition play weakened teams.
Our style of play will always give teams chances or half chances against us.
I can see why he played that team, the fact that some of them will not see a full game till January is down to themselves and the luck of the draw.
We do have a soft belly at this moment, but i do believe we will soon get back on track.

9.) 20 Sep 2017 09:51:19
I actually said bad game, not bad result. Anything less than a win i consider a bad result.

I'm not going to judge us on results only after 6 weeks with lots of strenuating circumstances ie. Coutinho sulk, Lallana injury, Mane suspension, Arnold/ Gomez (god forbid) daring to be young players trying to break through.

You have no patience so you whinge. Go support Man United, Chelsea or Real Madrid if you want everything handed to you on a plate which cost £700-£900m.

10.) 20 Sep 2017 10:18:50
We used this cup competitions as an excuse to recruit infinite players over the summer. We need squad depth! We need squad depth was the main slogan on this page. If you don't give a duck about the FA and league why Buy?

The reality is we would love to win any trophy atm! Now since we are out we need to find some ways to defend it! That is what you are doing my friend!
The last trophy we won was a league cup under Kenny!

Nothing wrong in trying to drift away from the actual issue that's caused our exit but let's be real and understand why are loosing games rather than everything is a glitch and we will be fine in 72 hours!
There is a definite reason for our poor form and if you are aware of it kindly pass to other who aren't!

11.) 20 Sep 2017 10:37:08
Oh dear me. We are a few games in and we are using the "if we had a few penalties gone our way" excuse? Really? We are 9 games in and failed to win more than half, you at clutching at straws sugar pie. Out of 1 of the 3 trophies we could have won and the easiest one at that. So you just keep beating your optimistic drum sweet cheeks. I think i am the one who is a realist. What is you ambition for this season then? let's put a wager on it, £100 to the charity of Ed001's choice and a grovelling apology? Put your money where you mouth is honey bunch.

{Ed001's Note - what if he doesn't have a £100? Or, like me, he just doesn't gamble?}

12.) 20 Sep 2017 10:37:08
Sorry, but the results and performances against Watford, Burnley, Man City, Sevilla and Leicester were simply not good enough. I honestly cannot see where our next points will come from in the league? Next two games are away and then a home game against a Man United team who are clearly better and more well organised. I can see us losing all three games on current form.

13.) 20 Sep 2017 10:38:38
Great Post MK, I can also see what Klopp is trying to do mate. When it all comes together we will be the ones enjoying watching our team winning games consistently, playing free flowing attacking football. Non of this playing 6 at the back hoping to get a breakthrough with a deflected corner or free kick.
Klopp is trying to develop players but the pressure to do so against teams who can go out and buy finished articles for every position is enormous.
I believe in supporting our team, Manager and players. I just do not expect every player in the squad to be world class.

14.) 20 Sep 2017 10:48:46
Harry the reason for our poor form (in terms of results) is down to individual errors. From the attackers in front of goal, from the midfielders in passing the ball, the defenders and keeper making mistakes, all compounded by some poor substitutions from Klopp. Of course there are reasons to our bad form. But losing your minds and slagging everyone off does nothing.

You cannot legislate for individual errors. You just have to support the team. If you all get on their backs, the pressure will just create more errors.

If you screwed up at work and somebody broadcast it all over the world and called for you to be sacked, you wouldn't like it would you?

When did we all become fans and not supporters?

15.) 20 Sep 2017 11:02:21
I have a 9 month old son mate so forgive me for putting food on the table instead of trying to prove anything to you. I don't need to get out my manhood in some sort of manliness contest with you to prove anything.

I've never gambled more than a tenner because my priorities are in the right place, thank you very much. Although fair play to you for suggesting it goes to a charity. Credit where it's due and all that.

16.) 20 Sep 2017 11:06:25
To answer your question, my ambition is a title challenge and a trophy.

My expectations is top 4 and a decent run in the Champions league, such as last 16 or last 8.

If we don't finish top 4 and qualify from our CL group I'll send you a grovelling apology.

17.) 20 Sep 2017 11:11:16
Harry are you trying to suggest the reason we bought players for squad depth was so we could have a good crack at fa and league cup? You make some random points a lot of the time. Did you forget the champions league buddy?

18.) 20 Sep 2017 11:16:14
More to the relaity there MK. This individual errors has become a routine from some time MK and supported are getting sick of watching it weekly. It's not me alone who is frustrated! Have you stepped outside this page lately.
No one is calling for his head but he is replaponsibke dkr a large part of the issue and he should be held accountable for it.
Everyone wants the team to progress and win trophies even the most negative supporters. That's why they are supporters. We are all like the same bunch of children's on match day. Make no mistake the support is true and the support is always there for the team but repeating the same mistakes over and over again will have serious consequences mate!

We need to change something, we can't let this go on and on and on!

19.) 20 Sep 2017 11:23:15
Thats fair enough MK and Ed001 (although i find it hard to believe Ed001 hasn't got £100, maybe nothing smaller than £100😉) . Money is hard to come by, i understand.

So apart from that, what are youe expectations for the season MK. 15 game unbeaten run and all that?

{Ed001's Note - I wish mate, not all advertisers pay their dues though mate.}

20.) 20 Sep 2017 11:23:19
We aren't good enough to compete in Europe. The humping by City showed that. We can't beat top sides and struggle against Leicester, Watford and Burnley, it doesn't exactly bode well for the rest of the season does it?

21.) 20 Sep 2017 19:14:21
Dennis, the City loss proves none of what you said esp. with a red card to boot. Enough with the constant projections as they have no basis in fact and the City result proves absolutely nothing. What happens afterwards over time, does. Also, had we smashed Seville like we ought to have done, would you be saying that? NO! Even if we did beat City and Seville, it would not have proved a thing other than we won a home CL game and beat City again at the Emptyhad, as if we've never done that before.



19 Sep 2017 14:42:57
Can i just take a moment to say what an absolute pleasure it has been to have had a man like Ings at the club. However his career with us goes from here.

When there are players around the world like Neymar falling out with team mates over Cavani wanting to take a penalty, and Tevez eating himself out of contention for the match day squad whilst pocketing 22 million, Van Dijk striking for a move etc. Danny Ings is just an absolute breath of fresh air.

He worked incredibly hard to get his big move and then 8 weeks in to the first season he suffers a major injury which could've been enough on it's own to plunge some players into a self pity spiral. But no, Ings battles back, inspiring young Gomez not to give up along the way, and manages to get back into playing. When asked to play with the kids, did he sulk? No. He applied himself to the max and fought his way back to the first team.

Then? Boom. The other knee goes just a matter of minutes into his return. That was enough bad luck for him to just fall out of love with the game. Like the absolute warrior he is though he goes straight back out there after the second knee operation in 12 months, and does it all over again. Again, setting an absolutely unprecedented example to the young players at Liverpool.

The very fact he is even back into contention to actually play in the first team of a squad the strength of Liverpool's is not only a minor miracle, but an absolute testament to the man, the character, and the player.

Bravo Danny. In a generation of footballing primadonnas and self indulged divas, you are a much needed shining light. Be it at Anfield or elsewhere, you deserve every bit of success your career still has to come. If i was a coach and i wanted an example to use when trying to teach kids about grit, determination, and desire; you would be my prime example. Because what an example you have set.

MK Scouser

1.) 19 Sep 2017 15:00:58
Hmm not sure I would have a footballer with 2 dodgy knees as my finest example of humanity but fair play Adam it's a nice post, great example to any footballer out injured or struggling with other issues.

2.) 19 Sep 2017 15:14:25
I don't think the Echo has enough pages for one of MK's posts Superred!

3.) 19 Sep 2017 15:17:28
Superred, when i was younger my dream was to write for a newspaper. Not just football stuff, just general articles. I wrote a few articles for these pages and still do the odd one once in a blue moon, but I have boycotted newspapers in recent years for personal reasons, so I'd be a hypocrite to try and work for them now.

Writing is my actual passion though. It's why I'm so grateful to this site. In between being an Engineer and a father, i still get to write extensively about subjects I'm passionate about, without any pressure to impress anyone. It's just become a hobby now. I've written articles on Science and Politics related subjects elsewhere as well, but football is the most fun to write about 😉

So apologies for my sometimes obsessively long posts. I'm just living out a childhood dream that never happened 😂.

{Ed001's Note - just remember to keep the links for all the articles you do write for your portfolio and CV mate. If you do get the chance to go for a role it is a big help to have something for them to look at to see your writing and how it has evolved over time.}

4.) 19 Sep 2017 15:21:34
I'm not sure Ings would be my idea of a physical specimen either Mikey! Knees worse than my ankles! But what a worker. Impossible not to respect that.

5.) 19 Sep 2017 15:32:38
Cheers for the advice Ed. Definitely value your advice especially. I personally find your articles to be the best in the world of sports writing in terms of actual content and insight.

{Ed001's Note - wow thank you, that is a massive compliment mate. There are such a huge number of writers out there. I don't think even my mother would agree with you though!}

6.) 19 Sep 2017 15:32:59
you could still write for a paper and try improving things from within;)

7.) 19 Sep 2017 15:52:54
Unfortunately Ed, you can without talent as well!

{Ed001's Note - very true to be fair.}

8.) 19 Sep 2017 15:55:56
I just find them the most engaging Ed. I read other blogs and find myself starting to skim or even leave the page. Yet i never do that with the stuff you write. I'm not trying to blow your trumpet or anything, just really appreciate the time you give up to bring us an excellent product free of charge. You could easily charge membership fees but what makes this site the best is you do it for the love of it. Not to exploit others fans.

Superred, i really wish you luck in your degree mate! I wish I'd had the guts to do that. Absolutely aced my English classes at school. My teachers told me some of my poems and short fiction stories were good enough to be published but i just took the safe route of a 9-5 job. My advice to you would be write that novel and chase your dream. Or else you'll regret it. My nan had a couple of poems published in a proper poetry book and then never pursued it. I think she really regrets it.

Love that you were in a band as well. I am more karaoke king, than lead guitarist 😂 put me on stage with a pint, a mic, and the lyrics to Robbie Williams, and i will either entertain you, or make you wish the angels would come and save you!

{Ed001's Note - I have never liked the idea of charging. We did try it for a bit against my better judgement, but I have never been comfortable with the idea. For me, things like TV and the internet should be free. People should have access to information without having to pay to do so.

I wish you well with your studies Superred, I have to admit I dropped English Lit in school. It was not for me. Actually school in general wasn't to be fair.}

9.) 19 Sep 2017 15:57:47
The downside Ed is not all talents should have an audience haha.

{Ed001's Note - I notice you are looking at me when you say that! :-/

10.) 19 Sep 2017 16:12:42
This is all lovely 😃 Just wanted to join in and thank the eds and posters on here for some interesting reading and great info. Harry for stirring it up. Mk for his posts and Ron for his ever optimistic and sensible posts when everyone else is tearing their hair out. I have been a reader for years but only a recent poster. I hope to be able to join in more and offer something in future.

11.) 19 Sep 2017 16:24:37
Outstanding post mk. I've been a daily visitor to this site for many years. Only recently have I begun to post more than once In a blue moon though. Sometimes a cracker of a thread just gets my attention like this one. It has to be said, it's quite apparent that you and ed1 have quite the flair for the craft. I can't tell you how many times I've read an mk post with a contrasting opinion to mine and enjoyed the vision from the other side. (I'm not at all saying That your always right 😂 Just that you have a fair bit of talent sir. ) I also imagine I'm not the only person who is eased from their misery by reading an expansive review of Liverpool's latest debacle when everything falls apart, and feel educated every time ed1 gives a dissertation on why everything went right in whatever brilliant performance we've just undergone. For lack of better words- keep it up guys, it's appreciated.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate. I have always loved writing but never thought I could make a career of it, as I never bothered with school and didn't exactly do well in terms of getting qualifications.}

12.) 19 Sep 2017 17:01:10
Top post, MK. I know we get into it art times BUT you are one of my fav. posters on here. Keep em coming, lad follow your dreams. You are a talent, no question.

13.) 19 Sep 2017 17:58:04
I can't argue with anything you've said there MK. What has happened to Danny would break weaker willed individuals. I hope that the worst is now behind him and he can have the opportunity to fulfil his talent.

14.) 19 Sep 2017 18:55:55
MK all blush 😄😄.

15.) 19 Sep 2017 19:33:59
Ha Superred you sound remarkably similar to me - am currently in a band as guitarist, singer and co-writer and did an English literature degree a few years ago (got a 1st as well) - keep the dream alive mate, there is nothing stopping anybody doing want they really want, it is all in your own hands.

p. s. if you ever need any tips in terms of university give me a shout, will be happy to help.

16.) 19 Sep 2017 19:59:01
Thanks everyone. I don't always expect people to agree because i have some unique opinions but it's nice to know my efforts are appreciated regardless. I have to say, it is a pleasure debating with you guys at times. Even when we end up in more heated discussions, it's still enjoyable.




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Get out is he 18! I thought he was about 25. Agree he isn't worth €100m but if he is 18 he is seriously talented.

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21 Sep 2017 16:47:03
Smplfc, i can only judge what i saw. I watched Sunderland with and without him that season and they were a completely different side. Maybe I've confused the impact of Kirchoff, with the impact of Allardyce. But those two coming in definitely coincided with Sunderland becoming much harder to beat and a much more solid looking unit. Then when they didn't have him last season they were back to being an flaccid bunch of strangers. Again, could've been Allardyce being gone too though.

Unfair to suggest I've not got any knowledge though when all I've done is call a player I've watched a few times decent. Hardly gone over board with the praise have i 😂 although i have since noticed i missed an almost out of my original post. It should've read "almost single handedly" so perhaps that is why people are jumping down my throat for daring to suggest Kirchoff is a mid table Premier League player 🙄 Khazri, Kirchoff and Kone changed their season i thought. I mean you can disagree but when they signed Sunderland looked doomed to go down, but their fortunes were completely changed. You are all so quick to claim that you can't make a silk purse from a sows ear when i defend our players, so you can't then in the same breath say that Sunderland staying up was 100% down to Allardyce. He clearly added players who could make the difference, but that is my point. Kirchoff was part of the change that made that difference.

Anyway, feel like we're splittng hairs over terminology, my choice of cliché phrase (which has seemingly been taken way too literally), and people are perhaps jumping to the conclusion that i think he'd be a good signing for us. I'd still be surprised if Kirchoff struggles to find a mid table top flight club once he's fit. Be that in England or back in Germany the bloke is clearly a decent player. From a Liverpool perspective i appreciate he's not good enough, but for a team dwelling at the bottom struggling to keep out goals he would be seen as a big step up in defensive quality. Horses for courses mate, you can't view everything from Liverpool's world or else we are saying that a good 95% of pro footballers are terrible! It's all relative 😉.

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21 Sep 2017 11:52:13
I'm not saying he'd suit us Ed. Every game i saw him in though he was arguably man of the match so that's all i can go off of. I agree he looks too slow for us and i only saw him 2 or 3 times so I'm certainly not going to suggest we sign him. He was a monster at set pieces though and seemed to get the best out of the useless players he had around him. As a pure defender though he looked decent. Nothing special, just decent. If he signed for us he'd just be another stop gap so I'd rather we wait anyway.

I was just surprised he didn't have a club. He'd suit a team like West Brom, Palace, Huddersfield etc. If he has a cruciate injury though, that explains it.

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21 Sep 2017 08:11:40
Jan Kirchoff? The massive German who kept Sunderland up single handedly 2 years ago?

That can't be right. If it is he must be injured. He is a decent centre back/ holding midfielder from what I've seen. Sunderland were soft, lacked leadership, lacking in steel and fight etc and he went in there and was a massive part of their turn around.

I didn't see enough of him to know if he is good enough for Liverpool, but he is a better defender than Lovren and Klavan that is for sure!

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{Ed001's Note - he is awful MKS, he is slow, cumbersome and got the credit for no reason I could see. He was always about 6 yards behind the play, but he put in a couple of good passes and suddenly he was the reincarnation of Beckenbauer in the media. One man kept Sunderland up that season and it was not Kirchhoff, it was Allardyce. Kirchhoff is injured, he did his cruciate, but he is simply not as good as people believe. He makes Matip look lively when chasing back.}



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19 Sep 2017 11:48:23
Ed do you know if the rumours are true that VVD ate a fish finger sandwich last night?

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22 Sep 2017 23:36:33
I like Clyne. He must train hard to be so fit. Quick, strong, great engine etc. He just lacks basic football ability though. He is very hard to beat in a one on one situation because of his physicality and athleticism. But it is very easy to lose him because he lacks awareness.

Is he an awful player? Probably not. We, myself included, have probably all been guilty of slamming him a bit too harshly. However, he isn't as good as a 20 year old centre back and an 18 year old midfielder. So you have to say he probably needs to take a backwards step in his career if he wants first team football. I think his LFC career is over.

This is ultimately a dedicated right back who should be in his prime, and has now been here over 2 years; totally failing to adapt to the pressure and expectation of a big club. I think all parties should move on. Clyne is still good enough to play for a solid mid table team like West Brom, Stoke or Watford. Just not the required quality for a Champions league club, and he hasn't shown any signs of improving, sadly.

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22 Sep 2017 22:40:07
He played Right wing in a 4-4-2 at Sunderland mate.

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22 Sep 2017 14:27:41
Good post mate. Hard to argue any of it. I think you've nailed his biggest weakness without just being a troll. Hopefully if/ when his heel improves he will have a bit more confidence in himself and find a bit more composure. It's far too easy to forget he has only played about 25-30 games in the holding role and is still learning the position. I also think he misses Lallana and Coutinho massively. We have very little movement in between attack and midfield right now. Can, Wijnaldum and Milner are linear movers. They go forward, or backwards. Lallana and Coutinho make diagonal runs in between the lines which opens open passing options for Henderson from deep, so we need them all fit and on form before we can judges gone to be honest. I think Henderson has started badly this season, but if you can name one of our midfielders who hasn't then I'm impressed! Can has been the best of a bad bunch with two good games to his name against Arsenal and Hoffenheim (second leg) .

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22 Sep 2017 14:01:02
Depends on where you read the figures Reynard.

Who knows what you can believe, but according to Transfermarkt the cost of Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Bailly, Lukaku, Lindelof and Matic is a combined £314.4m.

According the another article from the BBC (the same source as you) Raiola pocketed £43m from the Pogba transfer alone, of which only £23m was reportedly covered in the transfer fee. So there is £20m alone that someone has paid. Maybe it wasn't all covered by United or maybe the BBC have fabricated their figures somewhere. Who knows.

What you cannot ignore is that on top of the £314m, United have also paid a significant signing on fee (spread over his contract) to Ibrahimovic which will have been disregarded as part of his wages by most sources. Wrong, it is a transfer associated cost. On top of this you have to pay agent fees, legal fees, an administration charge for the registration, legal fees, a signing on fee and various other hidden costs such as relocation costs, insurance costs and more. You can bet your house Raiola milked the Lukaku transfer as well!

It could easily exceed £400m when these costs are considered before you even get into the cost of the contracts and bonuses attached.

I didn't see Bingos post, but if he did state any figures as Fact, then the guy has made an honest mistake. The point is United have blown everyone in world football except PSG out of the water with their transfer business in the last 2 years and i am not certain, but pretty confident the combined costs will exceed £400m. Ed002 did a superb post on all the costs involved which will help some to understand how expensive it can get when signing new players. This lack of understanding from the fans is a massive issue for FSG in particular who have been accused of us breaking even or there about in recent years, which is again total rubbish. Maybe the transfer fees, possibly. But definitely not when you include all the additional costs. No idea what to search for to find Ed002's post. Try 'agent fee'.

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22 Sep 2017 12:39:22
Harry that was not constructive from the first 6 minutes i watched before turning off.

All it did was slag off Lucas and Henderson for having apparently misleading stats (because you know, winning the ball back isn't a clear cut fact in this guys head), and show Henderson's worst bits vs some of the best midfielders in Europes best bits.

So what if Hendo can't tackle like Kante, dribble like Weigl, or hit a cross field pass like N'Zonzi. Not many players can. Weigl can't tackle like Kante, N'Zonzi would fall over the ball trying a turn like Weigl does regularly etc.

I could waste a day of my life doing a video with all Henderson's best bits and make him look world class. Truth is actually in between though isn't it mate.

Henderson is a very good player. Captain of club and country. Massively rated by some of the best managers in the game and massively under rated by fans who only see what the camera wants them to. He isn't world class, but he does his job effectively most weeks.

My favourite bit was when it compared the tackles made between Kante and Henderson when Liverpool played Chelsea last season, but then left out the fact that Liverpool won that game 2-1 thanks to an absolute 30 yard screamer from Henderson 😂 biased drivel that video, from start to when i decided it was time for it to finish.

There was nothing constructive about it at all. In fact this video is pretty much all the evidence needed to prove that some fans have a hate/ smear campaign against players they don't like.

And apparently Kante is a poor passer who only plays because he is good defensively 😂 Jesus. How can you take his opinion seriously after that?! Kante is one of the best passers in the league who plays because he is probably the best midfielder in the game right now!

Henderson is not the most skilful, he doesn't have the best first touch, and he doesn't play the best line splitting passes in Europe. Yeah, he probably isn't as good as Kante. But he also is no where near as bad at any of this as this video shows. It's just a biased compilation. If you can't trust this stuff to prove someone is good, then you can't trust it to prove someone is bad. This is actually bordering on bullying in my opinion. Luckily, Hendo won't care about the opinion of some sad act living with his mum.

MK Scouser