03 Aug 2023 12:28:47
Hi Ed01,

Do we practice any specific situation routines?

like -

1) We are leading 2-0 or 1-0 and we have 20 mins to go. Is there any specific way to control the game and not to keep loosing the ball? To close out the game?

Remember Gerard used to try one too many holywood pass and that would put us in difficult situation those days.

Yesterday Robbo was trying the same instead of keeping it simple.

Also when Diaz scored the goal, he got kind of carried away and started doing too many stuff and kept on loosing possession.

I have never seen Klopp play with control. It is always hunting in packs. When it works, it looks great but many a time it is awful because you don't seem to have the ability to control the game with this system.

Is it the players don't have required skillset (not cofortable on the ball) or the system that we play dictates to always hunt in packs and attack irrespective of game situation?

Yesteday, we could see some basic things were being missed.

The system is entertaining but too hit and miss to be honest.

{Ed001's Note - we do work on shape and getting back into it, but it doesn't matter when the distances to cover are so great that it is simply impossible to get back quickly enough. Trent is being asked to play all over the midfield and then run all the way back into the right-back area if we lose the ball. You can practice that a million times but it is still going to mean the opposition have space to get at while he is getting there. And while the centre-back is out there covering there is a space in the centre of defence to attack instead. Unless everyone shifts across, like they did yesterday and then leaves a space on the left where they tormented us.

It just doesn't work. There is too much distance to cover to make it defensively solid and leaves too many gaps. We are closer to playing the system that took Southampton down than anything else. They played this way and kept getting caught. When City were struggling to keep pace at the top last season, they also played this system. It is far too narrow and leaves easy out balls for the opposition, which makes the press inoperable. You can't press a team if they can just lift a ball into the corner and know they will easily get the ball. For a press to work you have to make sure there is no easy out.}

1.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 12:44:09
Agree with Ed completely, articulated it better than I could. I also think the bottom line is that Andy Robertson can't play this system. If you're going to have a back 3 (which we basically do), then they all have to be centre backs. Playing two centre backs and a full back is ridiculous.

{Ed001's Note - agreed. He looks so uncomfortable.}

2.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 12:45:45
You’re speaking a lot of sense today Ed.

I don’t like it one bit mate. ?.

{Ed001's Note - it won't last don't worry.}

3.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 13:35:13
Ed001, do you think 433 is better, with Trent in midfield, or stick to the 3223, and have three centre backs? Still could leave us exposed Down the channels, unless konate hangs out wider. Also don’t really know what happens if a team play 442, who marks the left and right mids?

{Ed001's Note - 4-3-3 works better with our forward line and they are our best players, so you work around that.}

4.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 13:36:25
It’s beyond belief that grown men, professional footballers, don’t understand that they have to shift 10 yards to the right when Trent vacates his position, as he is asked to do.

{Ed001's Note - the problem is that they are not very bright. Matip showed that when he was shifting 10 yards to the right when Gomez played there a couple of games ok and ended up spending his entire time stood on top of Gomez's toes.}

5.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 13:14:45
You should give Klopp a ring Ed01? See if he'll dump Lijnders and replace him with you!

{Ed001's Note - I am available right now and would probably be a fair bit cheaper.}

6.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 13:43:56
My question is why doesn't the coaching staff see this Ed?

Surely if its that simple to see they would stop going with it.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea. You would need to ask them that question. Arrogance maybe? Stubbornness? Bit of both? It could be that they just think practice will fix it and they do see the issues.}

7.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 13:55:39
Totally agree Ed001.

8.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 14:02:03
Ed001 what would you do if LFC offered you the assistant managers role and then Saudi came in and gazumped them.

What you doing. Love or more money.

{Ed001's Note - it is different for me, the money LFC offered would be lifechanging for me. The pay of an assistant manager at Prem level is much more than I earn mate. So it would be love + money or more money. And it is a dream to work for LFC, so I would stay.}

9.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 14:08:24
As in life and in football, keeping it simple / doing simple things is the most difficult I suppose.

Yesterday's gave was very good example of how we could have played simple (common sense) football and easily came out winners instead we ended up loosing.

Have to admit their last goal from their milky boy was hit and miss. You just can't do anything with those type of shots.

{Ed001's Note - I do wonder if he will ever score another like that in his entire career. Probably not.}

10.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 14:25:43
Now we’re discussing the fluid back-system, or lack of systeme, Arsenal started using it last season too, with Zchenko playing that role. They seems to want to play like city all the time. Salah tormented them in that game, we were just too bad defensively yourself. I think they will try the same as u’s this season, so it will be a walk in the park for United, City and Chelsea claming top four next year.
It seems, and that's the question for ed1, that Kloop trust persons lige Pep L and otters too much and seems to stubborn to change things before its too late. Like ladt season, shifting back to the press too late, the season with all our defenders crocked, starting too play Phillips and the Young lad too late. Why doesn’t he change things before it goes wrong, I thought that was one of his strog sides the first years with us?

{Ed001's Note - because he is loyal, too loyal at times, and will stand by those he trusts. But that is also part of the reason for his success, because his loyalty makes players play better for him. It is a difficult road to walk, to be loyal to those around you but not to the point of letting them walk you into difficulties.}

11.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 14:32:23
There is a reason Lijnders was sacked by a Dutch 2nd Division side and nobody has approached him about a head coach job since.

12.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 15:54:04
Yet he's Klopp's right hand man.
It's almost as if Klopp knows what he's doing, eh?

{Ed001's Note - and yet Guardiola's right hand men constantly get job offers. Strange how Klopp's right hand man doesn't.}

13.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 16:52:40
Wonder if he still mates with previous assistants? There must be one out there who call him up and say that’s crap that jurg what are you thinking?

14.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 17:02:56
Robertson forgets he’s playing as a 3rd CB. No need to aimlessly press 20 yards forward. I think with the right players the system works. We don’t have the right players and i don’t think we’ll sign them.

15.) 03 Aug 2023
03 Aug 2023 18:10:14
My worry is that we all can see it, Klopp must be able to see it.

Pep realised and adapted. Southampton did not. Klopp is persevering. I hope his stubbornness to make it succeed doesn’t cloud his judgement.