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01 Sep 2023 16:17:15
Lots of talk from certain outlets about Al Ittihad upping their offer for Mo Salah, still no sign of an actual offer to upped in the first place anyway. Can't help but feel there is a lot of client journalism in play here.
1.) 01 Sep 2023 18:44:02
If 200 million is offered as spoken about for me there is only one option - sell!
We are set to finish this season in 2-6 place with or without Mo.
We will never ever replace him as a player, not now, not a month ago, not in January.
However!
We have been here before haven't we? Torres could not have been replaced. Same with Suarez. Same with Coutinho.
Common to allof them, the sun still shone next morning on Liverpool FC. We moved on and prevailed.
There are a lot of goals in this team already, great midfield and a defence that urgently needs to be fixed in the next few windows.
200 mill buys great fixes plus some decent bets on next level stars for attack (of the ilk of Salah when we got him from Roma. )
Just my 2 cents but for the record - I DO NOT want him sold.
Just really don't think is a huge deal if he is.
2.) 01 Sep 2023 18:58:14
£200m with a month to go is one thing, £200m with 4 hours is a no go.
3.) 01 Sep 2023 19:01:15
But we didn’t prevail when Suarez left? Or Torres? Only reason we did with coutinho was we spent money on 2 quality signings and we’ve got no time to buy a replacement.
4.) 01 Sep 2023 19:08:17
There is no rush to sell Salah they will still offer crazy money in January and next summer if we hold out. Mo is a good guy a sensible guy. Tell him “if you want to go okay but it’s going to be January deadline day or next summer deadline day” tell him fixed price £200m will be accepted on either of those two dates. That gives us 5 months to find players to replace him in January these would be players with fixed price clauses and players who have already confirmed they are up for the move if the clause is triggered. We hold all the cards unless Salah goes on strike which he’s so far showed no signs of. Their money will not go away their desire will not fade, the sale of Salah is now inevitable if he wants to go there but we can control when he goes there unless he strikes.
5.) 01 Sep 2023 19:26:52
As a fan I’d rather watch Salah play in a Liverpool shirt for the next 9 months than have £200 million sitting in the bank.
6.) 01 Sep 2023 19:33:32
If it’s a one payment of 200 million then it’s a no brainer to sell.
7.) 01 Sep 2023 19:31:36
200m 6 weeks ago probably gets you Rice Gvardiol and Diaby maybe. What does it get you on deadline day? an 80m bid rejected for Jarrod Bowen?
8.) 01 Sep 2023 19:47:29
Let me be clear I love mo Salah, as a 46 year old fan, for me he is the best player of my lifetime. However, at 31 he inevitably becomes more prone to serious injury, his pace begins to reduce and let’s be honest he will almost certainly go next summer anyway, and who can blame him? He has 5 years max at the top level, if he can earn 1 million a week and secure his great grandchildren’s financial security, who amongst us wouldn’t want that. So with the heaviest of hearts I’d say now is the time, if it’s 150 million, most of it upfront then it’s time. I’ll always count myself privileged to watch the man play, he is not just a club legend but a pl all time eleven and a great dude to boot.
{Ed025's Note - i dont think his great grandchildren will have any financial worries even if he packed football in tomorrow Hoody, the guy is a multi multi millionaire mate..
9.) 01 Sep 2023 19:59:37
200 million is not very useful when you're without a replacement until January and end up languishing in mid-table + out of cup competitions.
10.) 01 Sep 2023 20:16:17
Why do people care so much about 200 million they won’t see a penny of? I’d rather keep quality players and win something where as you lot seam to want to balance the books and sell players.
11.) 01 Sep 2023 20:21:34
Ed025 if they bid £200m you have got to sell he is 31 2 years left on his contract. If it was VVD still in his pomp I think is a harder decision but I think we have plenty of goals in are forward line and midfield. We are not city psg Chelsea or any of the other clubs that spend money for fun. There are still very good players out there that don’t cost the earth and with that money we can build our team for the next 10 years.
{Ed025's Note - you dont sell your best players is my motto grino, but imo its all smoke and mirrors anyway mate, if they were serious they would have come in a lot earlier to give Lliverpool the chance to replace him, im not buying it..
12.) 01 Sep 2023 20:31:28
My thoughts exactly Bean. Why are we all so worried about the money its performances on the pitch and results we should be worried about.
If you feel selling Salah will improve results then that’s your opinion but if you don’t you should never be saying we should sell no matter what money is reportedly being offered.
{Ed025's Note - im with you BP..
13.) 01 Sep 2023 20:32:49
There's a big difference between 2nd and 6th, despite what Shanks said.
14.) 01 Sep 2023 20:36:27
You think it’s like our bid for Caicedo a little pr stunt lol.
{Ed025's Note - i dont think Caicedo was a stunt grino, maybe a move to placate the supporters mate but not a stunt, the Salah bid stinks to high heaven of muscle flexing by the Saudi,s for me..
15.) 01 Sep 2023 21:28:10
Sell for 200 and replace with 20. come on Jurgen, you can do this.
16.) 01 Sep 2023 21:36:53
Mr bean I would take the £200m not because I will see any of it but we could sign 3/ 4 real quality players that would see are team transformed for the next 10 years. Nobody thought Salah was going to be the player he is and am sure there is more Salah’s out there. And in 2 years he will be gone for nothing so he will need replacing them with no money for him. I don’t know how long this Saudi league money is going to around but we need to make the most of it. Our owners do not splash the cash out of there own pockets so if we can get that sort of money for a 31 year old has to be accepted out of pure reality of what our club is.
17.) 01 Sep 2023 21:41:02
Great take 200m for salah as the English transfer window is about to shut FSG will probably buy a American netball team with it and klopp will get nothing in January rather keep the player for another season im sure they will be back next summer with a silly bid.
18.) 01 Sep 2023 21:41:59
I find the timing of the offer odd. If they were so intent on bringing him over to the league, why wait until the last day of the window to offer such an amount, also giving the selling club no time to replace? A strange tactic for me if you desperately want to sign him.
{Ed025's Note - im not having it either jones..
19.) 01 Sep 2023 22:01:42
I want to hear more about American netball!
20.) 01 Sep 2023 22:01:58
100% agree Ed025, simply if they prioritised Salah why didn't they go all out for him earlier in window?
People talking about the money, which is generational wealth but its essentially signalling the end of his top level career and various sporting objectives. Despite the obvious flirtation I can see him staying this season and possibly even next if we get back in champions league. He would still only be 33 and could easily still get the bumper Saudi money.
21.) 01 Sep 2023 23:55:29
The Saudi money isn't going to run out any time soon, we have no need to sell Salah this year. Its not like Madrid / psg are wanting him and will move on to someone else or want to pay way less next year. The Saudi league want his name as much as maybe the player. They will throw stupid money at us again next year if we keep refusing. Would also point out we would still have plenty of options with jota, gakpo, Diaz, Nunez, and a few others. Don't want Salah to leave tho.
22.) 02 Sep 2023 03:14:47
Why did they wait so long to bid?
I feel this will unsettle the team which is unnecessary.
LFC will have done well to keep Salah given the figures quoted, due to the timing of the bid.
23.) 02 Sep 2023 04:50:30
It's not chinese superleague where every team was throwing money around, I believe it's only 4 teams throwing stupid money around and they actually have foreign quotas too I believe,
Truth is, we need couthinho like infusion of money to rebuild the squad, I know one of the eds have said over and over we are against the wall at what we can spend and Matip needs replacing, VVD has not been the same since the injury, we will need to find long term Fabinho replacement, if you look at Klopps players, those that do a LOT of running like Robertson usually don't age well, more like fall off the cliff, so possibly Robertson replacement, and depending how you feel about current forwards, Salah replacement.
24.) 02 Sep 2023 10:06:18
Sell Salah then spend the next 9 months crying on here every day about how we don't score enough goals and how stupid we were to sell a generational talent just to get a big pile of cash.
It's amazing how money utterly blinds people.
25.) 02 Sep 2023 10:06:18
Sell Salah then spend the next 9 months crying on here every day about how we don't score enough goals and how stupid we were to sell a generational talent just to get a big pile of cash.
It's amazing how money utterly blinds people.
26.) 02 Sep 2023 12:44:39
I know it’s hopefully hypothetical but i would sell Salah for sure IF the money was invested in the team, which I think I would.
27.) 02 Sep 2023 14:48:36
Maybe the Saudi’s were a bit naive in their negotiations and just thought money talks?
I suspect that there will be some further talks and a deal agreed either for January lot next summer.
It might even be a different Saudi side…. But I think that they really want Mo as a poster boy for their league.
I would think if £200 million or more is offered for January then we will take it …. with some incomings lined up…. Andre, a Centre Back and maybe Bowen?
10 Aug 2023 11:25:48
According to Matt Law (not sure how reliable, basically Chelsea's James Pearce) Chelsea's Lavia bid came about because Liverpool have outbid them for Caicedo!
Interesting few hours ahead regardless of how true.
{Ed002's Note - Matt Law should be reliable but a £100M tit-for-tat bid would need more basis than Chelsea making another offer on a player Liverpool are keen on.}
01 Jun 2023 10:12:12
If the rumours are true, and we are looking at a summer of bringing in Mac Allister, Thuram, Kone and a new defender - then that will be the end of my moaning for good
As a fan it's all I can ask for, I don't want big flashy £200 million galactico signings or Man City stockpiling.
All I want us to do is go into every season with the belief we have prepared the squad as best as possible to compete for every trophy. However much that costs is not my concern. If we bring those players in, I would be confident in saying the squad doesn't really have any weaknesses in the squad if we bring all these lads in and we can be back up to where we were in 2022.
{Ed002's Note - It would be Thuram or Kone - not both.}
1.) 01 Jun 2023 10:31:47
We have lost 3 CM’s and another 3 are finished at this level (Hendo, Thiago and Fabinho) . Those three would revamp our midfield for years to come. I would be over cloud 9 if it happens. Got to get all three over the line plus a center back.
2.) 01 Jun 2023 10:44:58
Who do you prefer Ed2? Kone looks more agressive and a better ball winner Thuram look a bit tidier on the ball and better going forward from videos online, can't say i've seen either play much.
{Ed002's Note - Kone is more defensive than Thuram who might suit the needs of Liverpool better.}
3.) 01 Jun 2023 11:01:36
Harry, i think Ed002 is more alluding to Kone and Thuram playing similar positions. He's said previously we might sign 2 or 3 midfielders so it's not about the number of players, more about the similarities.
I can't really comment on it with any conviction as I've never watched either player live. Stylistically they look quite different but they are both ultimately defensive minded midfielders.
If we signed MacAllister and then Kone or Thuram i think that's still a decent window, no? Jones and Bajcetic might just get more game time than if we signed 3 midfielders.
{Ed002's Note - I would agree.}
4.) 01 Jun 2023 11:45:10
ED02, I was thinking the exact same thing. Since both players look on the face it similar (with Kone being more defensive), I never believed we would sign both of them and thought it would be either of the two and not both. Getting both just looked strange to me at the start.
5.) 01 Jun 2023 12:38:39
As per what Ed002 and MK Scouser have said, David Ornstein reported that Liverpool has decided NOT to recruit more than 2 midfielders this summer and will stick with the signings of Alexis Mac Allister and Manu Kone as they believe the likes of Elliott and Jones will improve.
6.) 01 Jun 2023 12:53:09
So we would potentially have thuram/ kone, fabinho, Jones, hendo, Thiago, bajcetic, Elliot and Mac allister (or other) available for 3 slots. So 8 players, seems a lot, even though we lost 3, Jones Elliot and bajcetic are all older and needing more mins. Not sure what I’d do, I don’t like saying it, but I’d put Jones at the bottom of the pile for the youngsters, despite him hitting form recently. Can’t really see one of Thiago hendo or fabinho leaving, even though that maybe would make more sense.
7.) 01 Jun 2023 13:12:41
Romano coming out saying the MacAllister fee is"way"less than £65m. Starting to sound better this transfer.
8.) 01 Jun 2023 14:35:01
Romano is a chancer, he's Mr After The Fact. I'd listen to what Ed002 tells you pal. HERE WE GO.!
9.) 01 Jun 2023 15:14:25
Ed002 your information is spot on as normal. Noise seems to be around both players Kone and Thuram and without me asking the most likely question as you stated it would be one or the other, which player do you see as more attainable or possible please.
{Ed002's Note - They will both be moving this summer.}
10.) 01 Jun 2023 15:11:40
Inb4 McAllister signs for 64.5 mil and Romano declares victory.
11.) 01 Jun 2023 16:10:43
Romano is hit and miss. Often a scoop stealer and clout chaser, but sometimes player representatives like to use him to steer a story or narrative in a certain direction as they work to get business done for their player.
With that said, it does sound like he's getting information directly from MacAllister's team. I'm not sure what the truth is on that contract or how this could turn out though. Seems to favor Liverpool, but things could take a quick turn at any point prior to the deal being closed.
12.) 04 Jun 2023 10:53:50
Ed2 - in an earlier response you said "Kone is more defensive than Thuram who might suit the needs of Liverpool better" -
did you mean Thuram might suit needs of Liverpool better?
{Ed002's Note - Thuram.}
18 Apr 2023 14:28:24
Seen a rumour that Jurrien Timber is looking for a house in Liverpool.
Personally I'm delighted. Not about Jurrien Timber, I've never seen the lad play. But about a rumour involving a random player apparently house shopping, haven't seen one like that for years. The good old days of transfer rumours, bring them back.
1.) 18 Apr 2023 15:21:39
Apparently his Mum loves scouse and it's cheaper to buy a house and for her to live here than get it flown in every day.
Mostly when you hear hooves, it's horses ;-)
2.) 18 Apr 2023 16:58:22
Interesting, not that familiar with him but can play RB as well as CB apparently.
We’ve been linked also with Evan Ndicka who would be available on a free transfer and can play CB and LB so if links true (probably not) could possibly sell Matip, Tsimikas, Williams and Phillips allowing flexibility to maybe have option of back 3 with Trent “roaming”.
3.) 18 Apr 2023 18:46:57
I'm tracking the Babelcopter on Flight tracker as we speak.
4.) 18 Apr 2023 18:51:57
If we can sell Matip and Phillips and replace them with Timber and Ndicka that would be solid business. Big IF though.
5.) 18 Apr 2023 20:02:17
My Auntie lives in Amsterdam and her mate works with Jurriens Aunt and Uncle in KFC in the red light district, anyway his aunt says Jurrien is best pals with Cody (didn't specify if it was Gakpo, but she thinks it is) and he said Jurrien follows liverpool and its Nailed on. Think she used those exact words.
6.) 18 Apr 2023 20:37:54
Had she been in The Grasshopper coffee shop first molby?
7.) 18 Apr 2023 20:55:49
Love the grasshopper. It’s got wild expensive these days.
8.) 18 Apr 2023 20:59:25
Are you sure "Nailed on" wasn't referring to the sights and sounds in the red light district where your Aunt works, Molby?
9.) 19 Apr 2023 08:33:04
I love fried chicken and hookers, and I can safely say there is no KFC in the red light district. Perhaps that's because they don't want greasy handprints on the windows the ladies are behind.
10.) 19 Apr 2023 09:32:05
Or indeed on the ladies behinds, Rugby P.
11.) 19 Apr 2023 14:32:21
Rugby - surely not at the same time?
11 Apr 2023 21:23:54
This Jude Bellingham news is quite frankly an embarrassment for the club and everyone involved.
1.) 11 Apr 2023 21:38:13
Briefingpool FC.
2.) 11 Apr 2023 21:42:04
All this Jude Bellingham talk is so boring it’s like a soap opera. With everybody posting all the click bait crap yesterday Madrid had pulled out because it was to expensive then tonight we have bid £84m now we have pulled out of the race. Can’t we just get this season out the way before all this crap in the summer and then wait to see what happens.
3.) 11 Apr 2023 21:43:27
Is anybody surprised? Written off a full season for a Kid that we can’t afford.
DELIBERATE! 2 windows, just ignored the midfield when we would’ve walked 4th easily. Disgraceful.
4.) 11 Apr 2023 21:48:07
Shambles but if we haven’t got the money then rather rebuild and buy 2/ 3 players instead of one. FSG are killing the club though. They need to just sell instead of trying to keep milking us. Good for a time but time to go.
5.) 11 Apr 2023 21:52:47
The meltdown starts .
6.) 11 Apr 2023 21:54:31
Extremely disappointing news if true.
7.) 11 Apr 2023 22:01:48
If true, it sums up our level under FSG, 2nd tier in the transfer market, perhaps 3rd.
8.) 11 Apr 2023 22:33:03
To be devils advocate maybe last season Bellingham was on, now after our shocking season he feels we can’t offer him what he wants. There were rumours he’d made a decision and maybe that's to go to a different project.
I believe we did want him and had funds for him, but money can’t buy you anything you want and city and Madrid aren’t bad choices from a football viewpoint.
We move on, remember Salah was 5th choice!
9.) 11 Apr 2023 22:33:57
I feel like we've had this convo before.
Nothing like over-reacting to something a journo said because they're somehow perceived to be more reliable or knowledgeable when it comes to Liverpool than their colleagues.
Or maybe it's just cos what they're saying suits an agenda.
10.) 11 Apr 2023 23:37:32
How is it embarrassing? Who s embarrassed? I’d rather the club bought 3 or 4 very good players that improve the team rather than one world class player just for “the look”.
11.) 12 Apr 2023 00:10:00
I'd rather sign the one generational talent myself WDW. If that empties the coffers, that's a different issue, imo.
But there is no story here. Why do we believe Joyce at face value? Would we we believe him if he said "Bellingham is 100% nailed on to join Liverpool"? Doubt it.
It's clear that some WANT the club to pass on Bellingham so they can complain about it.
12.) 12 Apr 2023 04:32:15
Who’s buying Jude for ‘the look? ’ Everybody interested is because he’s genuinely the key player for any team in the world for a decade. Rather fork out for Jude than mount and nunes.
We’ve tried the 3/ 4 players instead of 1 in the past and it doesn’t work.
But this is football and until I’m a billionaire I have no say. Have to start looking down the couch again see what I can gather up.
13.) 12 Apr 2023 08:08:01
Genuine question. can anyone think of any "generational talent" who was bought by a Premier League club and then helped to transform that clubs fortunes in terms of winning leagues. (Drogba perhaps? )
Bellingham won't win us the league. He'll help compete for it (and provide a lift to other players around him ) .
I get the team uplift - but not the idea of "guaranteed success" from "generational talent"
14.) 12 Apr 2023 10:04:30
I would argue that City are going to win a good percentage of the league titles in prem over the next ten years, there is good evidence of Erling Harland being at the forefront of the success.
I would class him as a generational talent.
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02 Oct 2023 14:25:35
It's pretty startling the way the media narrative has completely shifted against Liverpool now we have actually decided to do something about this horrible refereeing.
I think my conspiracy theory may be true. Either the journalists are aware of some of this scripting of football results, or they've all just had their brown envelopes through from the Premier League this morning. Either way, something major is about to come out I think.
1.) 02 Oct 2023 15:11:06
Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. "
2.) 02 Oct 2023 15:31:29
Nah, journalists just smell a story and narrative that would sell. It's always better for them to create more drama and vilifying Liverpool does just that. They have absolutely no clue what's going on so they just run the story that would get people clicking their articles.
On the flipside, if they have any kind of inkling that there is any form of scripting going on, you get bet your entire life savings that they would run that story instead.
3.) 02 Oct 2023 15:36:53
What generates the most clicks? Baiting Liverpool or Man Utd.
4.) 02 Oct 2023 15:47:41
I don't buy into conspiracies generally, and I'm big believer in Occam's Razor - namely the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. And the simplest explanation is that they're eejits.
But sodding hell:
1) What was Darren England doing that he didn't realise the on pitch assistant gave it offside? It's literally his job to pay attention to the game.
2) Why didn't either of the Assistant VAR refs say it to him? I can't believe 3 people missed it. Is this like all those episodes of Air Crash Investigations where the First Officer doesn't question the Captain as he's flying the plane into a mountain cos he's got seniority?
3) Why didn't England flag it when Spurs restarted with a freekick? I don't buy that he couldn't have butted in as they were placing the ball to take it, and I don't buy "oh they couldn't have done anything about it once the free was taken". Refs interrupt corners and have them retaken all the time. Did he not flag it with Simon Hooper out of embarrassment, or did he say "oops, hang on there, " and Hooper considered it too embarrassing to go back?
And now media sources who were very sympathetic yesterday are turning on Liverpool for what, to me, appears to be a relatively innocuous statement considering. Eh? I can absolutely understand why people think there's something dodgy going on. I don't necessarily agree personally, but I can understand why people would come to the conclusion that there is.
What will PGMOL do about this? Other than issue a valueless apology. There's a pattern here: Mistake. Apology. Mistake. Apology. Mistake. Apology. They're issuing them at a rate of one a month. I appreciate Ed002 has stated that the PGMOL are working to improve reffing standards, and I certainly have no reason to disbelieve him, but it's hard to see any evidence of that. If anything the refereeing's gotten worse since VAR has been brought in instead of better.
Will Darren England be asked to account for why he apparently dozed off and failed to do his one job that he has cameras to help him with, or will he back on duty next weekend or in a couple of weeks like nothing happened? Will he be made attend mandatory re-training? Will the PGMOL release the transcript to clear up point 3?
5.) 02 Oct 2023 15:49:21
I actually find the majority of other fans responses to this really sad.
This really isn’t a Liverpool issue, Liverpool need to go hard for the betterment of the game. Unfortunately people can’t look beyond the tribalism. The whataboutism and “Oh look Liverpool weren’t complaining here or there when it was in their favour” is just sad.
6.) 02 Oct 2023 16:21:00
Something Red, it's interesting you mention aviation.
Aviation has a fantastic safety culture. It focuses on finding systemic changes to make it impossible to have the same error repeated. So instead of just blaming pilot error, aviation crash investigation reports recommend system, process and culture changes which would ensure that the same sequence of events would never occur again. It is good that PGMOL is apologising for the errors, but instead of just blaming individual human errors they should move to taking steps to ensure systems are put in place such that the same errors don't occur again.
Another lesson from aviation is to use very clear language. I believe the VAR said "check complete" which was in fact true but it was the wrong thing to say when the linesman had disallowed the goal. They should change the VAR language to ensure they say things like "No offside, goal valid" or "Offside in build up, goal invalid".
I would like our club to press forward on this issue and threaten to sue PGMOL until they commit to substantial systemic changes. If needs be, each team should have one representative sitting in the VAR room who can flag issues to the VAR in real-time. Also it's time to pass a directive that refs can bring play back to a previous stoppage in play in case of a gross misinterpretation of an earlier VAR judgement.
My next point may be unpleasant to a few - I think part of the reason the refs are so poor is because a lot of them are ex policemen. I don't know what it is with the police and some ex servicemen, but they think and act like robots. They are far too obsessed with stamping their authority in a situation to be able to act with humility and win respect of humans around them. Respect and humility which would allow them to interact better and make better introspective decisions. And forming a closed and internally-supportive group may be a good setup for when you are fighting as a group in a war, but it's completely unnecessary in a football scenario, where transparency and honesty around mistakes will be more helpful than making stuff up to justify your colleagues mistakes. It's almost as though policemen are trained to mask their lack of intelligence by acting like robots. A more diverse recruitment strategy will help.
7.) 02 Oct 2023 16:22:25
Awk SR I completely agrre, even Shearer on MOTD was saying that there was literally 30 secs or so before they kicked off.
If you're in the VAR booth and thought you had gave a goal, can you not see that players are not celebrating or that the ball is not going to the centre circle for a Spurs kick off?
There is at least 30 odd seconds to see that no goal has been awarded and Spurs are taking a free kick? At what point do you not speak to the ref - your mic'd up remember - and ask 'dude, what are you doing? It was a goal! ' - for both him and the assistant to just ignore that is just plain idiotic - why?
Swear, as annoyed as I was watching it, it has just gotten worse as those 'explanations' have been made public hasn't it fs.
8.) 02 Oct 2023 16:31:22
The question I would ask is do other countries that have VAR have these “issues”? Is it more prevalent in the PL or is it pretty much the same in every country?
9.) 02 Oct 2023 17:04:29
Everyone saying the simplest answer is the most likely therefore incompetence. I genuinely feel someone that incompetent would need to be reminded to breath. The fact that it is the second instance this season with the same officials is also quite suspect. Can you really be that incompetent twice in a few weeks?
10.) 02 Oct 2023 17:06:14
I'd anyone actually believes it's a genuine mistake not match fixing I feel sorry for you
Also a Nigerian prince needs you to borrow him £10,000 to access his funds and he will give you a million back just send it over will be done in no time ?.
11.) 02 Oct 2023 17:27:07
TopG, Im with you. Looking back over the decades, things keep happening which are put down to stupidity, yet they keep on happening.
The Paris final was a prime example. and going back even further, lest we not forget.
12.) 02 Oct 2023 17:31:40
Sure thing TopG.
Like it was absolutely nailed on dead cert that Salah was leaving on the Tuesday, right?
13.) 02 Oct 2023 18:09:54
There was a ref who officiated a Bayer v Leeds game in Europe who gave some crazy decisionf or Bayern and against Leeds in the 70's. Said ref would later confess on his feath bed that he was bribed to fix the game in Bayern's favor.
A bit more closer to home, shall we? I read months ago that Roma's semi final second leg game in 1984 was rigged and the ref was bribed to get Roma over the line to face us in their stadium in the final which they lost on pens, as we all know.
People should continue to deny what their ears and eyes and their logic is telling them jsut cos they are yet to see any proof. Based on the above examples, you may not even get to see it BUT that does not mean it does not exist cos I did not know about any of these incidents till I stumbled on them.
14.) 02 Oct 2023 19:44:25
There were five matches – three with Liverpool and two with Southampton – which were deemed to be suspicious based on things Grobbelaar spoke of while unwittingly being recorded.
The earliest example occurred in November 1993, when Liverpool lost 3-0 to Newcastle thanks to a hat-trick from Andy Cole. One of his strikes slipped through Grobbelaar’s legs, and he claimed to have been paid £40,000 to throw the game. According to Vincent, he drove to fellow footballer John Fashanu’s house after the match to collect the cash. [2]
Wimbledon forward Fashanu was allegedly the middle man between Grobbelaar and Heng Suan Lim, a Malaysian businessman whom the goalkeeper nicknamed “the short man”, and who represented a gambling syndicate which was supposedly attempting to fix games.
In one of the most memorable matches of the early Premier League era, Liverpool came back from 3-0 down to draw 3-3 with their bitter rivals Manchester United in January 1994. Grobbelaar was recorded saying he lost £125,000 by making two fantastic saves in the match, almost by accident. "I dived the wrong way and it hit my hand, ” he said.
15.) 02 Oct 2023 20:29:06
Man City don’t play in other leagues IR.
26 Sep 2023 13:57:40
I think we'll definitely look at another DM moving forward, but in hindsight the club were right not to spend big money on Doucoure. We're playing very fluid football at the moment and we'd have lost some of that with someone like him in the team, same goes for Caicedo actually. I'm glad we didn't get him.
If we can find someone with similar qualities to Rodri that would be perfect.
1.) 26 Sep 2023 14:26:16
Hopefully Bajcetic gets a chance to showcase if he has the ability to be our dm moving forward.
2.) 27 Sep 2023 04:58:56
Interesting that one @Thomas, from a fans perspective there’s a lot of hindsigh. And with our benefit of hindsight we can see that the club used foresight. Good lesson for us fans to take away.
3.) 27 Sep 2023 07:54:24
Wouldnt be spending big money on one, charlatan position anyway. All of our midfielders have the intelligence to play all the roles in midfield anyway.
4.) 27 Sep 2023 10:20:11
Personally I think lack of a top class dm will cost us this season. I hope I'm wrong.
5.) 27 Sep 2023 10:32:52
Indeed, Jude Nkunku. That is what I have learned this early season. Our midfielders are capable of playing either with a sole DM or in a double pivot. Granted, a guy like Macca or Szobo are better further forward but they have shown they can excel in a double pivot. Endo is still learning the system so Klopp is solving a problem with diff. tools and it is working. Who knew? Maybe the club and the coaching staff do know what they are doing after all.
Afor Rodri, not sure about him cos he does not even play the DM role the way Fab did it in his pomp as in, by himself. He struggled a lot when playing by himself hence, the fouls he does when caught out. Also, Rodri has midfielders and inverted CB's holding his hand the whole way. Endo would look good too if he had that many people covering for him.
25 Sep 2023 20:18:41
I've been really impressed with pretty much all of our players this season but I just wanted to say a word about Curtis Jones. He seems to have totally transformed his game from inconsistent flair player to the steady eddie of the team. Mr Reliable, 7/ 10 performances week in, week out since he came back into the side last season and he's turning into a bit of a Gini Wijnaldum. It's going to be very difficult to drop him now and he's been very important for us. Some credit also to the England u21 manager who gave him a new role and allowed him to excel in some attributes I didn't even know he had. Great to see another local lad doing the business and I think he's going to be a massive part of this new era.
1.) 25 Sep 2023 21:07:58
Midfield looks absolutely great this season so impressed with our options, and the age range so much lower now.
2.) 25 Sep 2023 21:35:03
CJ's that dude, OP.
3.) 26 Sep 2023 00:20:57
amazing overhaul of the midfield in one window. I am genuinely surprised. I had gone into the summer window thinking that all we needed was to tinker with the midfield and we'd be right back challenging.
Then when Hendo and Fab both left I adjusted my expectations for the season to be grateful for a top 4 finish and a trophy run. All the evidence of Klopp's reign so far is that new midfielders would take time to adjust and then I thought it'd be even more difficult for the newbies to come in and have to step in and fill the exprience / leadership void made bigger by losing hendo and Fab.
But full credit to all involved. We've recruited well and for the first time in Klopp's reign, have two midfielders (Macca and Szobo) who have slot straight in and contributed straight away. I think a big part is the emergening consistency of Elliot and Jones as well to keep the continuity going.
props all round to all involved.
4.) 26 Sep 2023 00:43:11
Give it a month and gravenberch will show how good he is too.
5.) 26 Sep 2023 01:21:14
Agreed mate I thought Jones work rate and energy was excellent against West Ham. Thought he was injured at one point and could see his frustration, he was dying to get back on and when he did he immediately hunted the ball down and started a counter attack. Fair play to him I’ve been one of his doubters but he’s proving me wrong, if he can show he can stay for the season he looks like an upgrade on gini.
6.) 26 Sep 2023 01:26:24
I agree mate. I admit I wasn’t a big fan of Curtis Jones’s last season. But this season he looks different. He actually looks like he belongs and that midfield and long may it continue.
7.) 26 Sep 2023 01:40:06
In my opinion, Jones needs one more facet to his game to become a world class player and England starter: extra physicality. If he can improve his fuel-winning and ability to regain possession, he’s got everything. The physicality should come with age anyway.
Partnered with Szoboszlai, he can be the one who breaks into the box to score while the latter has the devastating quality to create more effectively and shoot from long distance. (Very) early days, but Gundogan and De Bruyne destroyed the league for years doing it.
8.) 26 Sep 2023 03:41:39
Jones has certainly got the size, he's an impressive specimen, shot up in the past couple of seasons.
Like everyone else, it's so pleasing to see him prosper consistently, so far at least anyway.
He's gave tantalising glimpses of his talent in the past, but if he can keep it going, he will honestly be like a new signing.
The more Scousers in the team, the better.
9.) 26 Sep 2023 10:26:41
Jones played well for about two games and people talking about him as being world class ??.
Hopefully he will have a steady career with us, but world class never.
{Ed001's Note - 2 games? Neggy come on don't be an arse. He had an excellent end to last season, starred for England U21s in the summer as they won the Euros and then has carried on this season in even better form. That is a lot more than 2 games.}
08 Sep 2023 09:39:51
I wouldn't even try to directly replace Salah if I'm honest, you're never going to find a left-footed right-winger the same level as him and I think it would be a waste to sign another left-winger when we already have plenty of options there.
I'd go and make a sensible 60 or 70 million signing in that role. Like Olise or if we can prize Diaby away from Villa, then I'd use the money to upgrade other positions. Take your pick from a world-class CB, DM or long-term Robbo replacement.
1.) 08 Sep 2023 10:27:58
I can't see us going for a household name that already costs a load, unless there is a RC a la Dom/ Alexis.
2.) 08 Sep 2023 11:20:10
Adding a left footed wide player would be a sensible thing to do no matter what. However, rather than attempt to replicate Salah's output with a new signing, we should focus on increasing the output from Lucho and Darwin, who, imo, are ready to explode.
3.) 08 Sep 2023 11:58:44
Two top talents for that wing already at the club. could we not go with them?
4.) 08 Sep 2023 13:25:06
The mistake people make with Salah is that he wasn't considered world class when Liverpool signed him, in fact many believed he was a Chelsea flop and would be when he returned to England . It's quite possible Liverpool could do something similar again with a player like Malen or Diaby next year.
5.) 08 Sep 2023 17:29:19
Since the first Day he pulled on that Liverpool shirt he was World Class.
And to this day he still is one of the best Players in the world.
6.) 08 Sep 2023 23:13:02
“A sensible 60 or 70 million signing” ??? The ‘game’ is going mad.
7.) 08 Sep 2023 23:46:07
You don’t replace Salah man for man nor his output cos well, you can’t. You simply have to change the way you play to maximise the talent in the attack to keep it humming well enuff to keep us productive in the attack, imo.
8.) 09 Sep 2023 00:59:01
It's like trying to replace Peter Crouch. They're either too short or they can dance ?.
9.) 09 Sep 2023 12:32:11
Who are they then Jude? Surely you’re not referring to an untested Scottish kid and a young Hungarian midfielder who is currently tearing it up in the centre of the park?
I’m not suggesting we will find a like for like in the transfer market when Salah goes, but we would be foolish not to try.
05 Sep 2023 15:34:31
Remember when people said the Caicedo bid was a PR scheme and we had no intention of signing him?
That wasn't true. But, I think this Al Ittihad bid for Salah is a PR scheme and they know they won't be signing him. I'm sure Ben Jacobs is getting a pretty penny for his client journalism through.
1.) 05 Sep 2023 17:22:27
Why wasn’t the caicedo rumour true?
2.) 05 Sep 2023 18:40:51
Thom, I disagree, I believe they will sign Mo, only it’s when, if they hit the Magic number it may be before we return to action.
To me when Mo scored against Villa he didn’t appear to be smiling, take a look immediately after he scored.
3.) 05 Sep 2023 19:18:04
Hahahha, because Salah wasn't smiling it means he's leaving.
Is it tinfoil hat Tuesday?
4.) 05 Sep 2023 21:06:55
The crap people want to believe in order to slate the owners….
5.) 05 Sep 2023 22:13:51
Flash, just stating an observation mate, he is leaving us, I hope next summer tbh,
Regarding slating the owners, I don’t have enough knowledge to do that, USA companies are operationally very strict with budgets, I do have knowledge of that.
His not smiling directly after scoring, looked similar to Mane posture, that’s all.
6.) 05 Sep 2023 22:45:59
I can’t believe people genuinely believe the bid of over £100m for Caicedo was a PR stunt.
I’d love to know what good PR that generated?
That failed bid only generated NEGATIVE press.
Why would a club want to publicly bid for a player they have no intention of signing?
Anything to feed the anti-FSG agenda.
7.) 06 Sep 2023 03:26:59
Of course it wasn’t a PR stunt. The bid was made in time for Brighton’s deadline and met their acceptance criteria. The bid was made based on positive indications from Caicedo’s camp that he was happy with the move, allegedly. For what ever reason that was actually not the case and the lad chose to go to Chelsea, which was fair enough.
The fact that Brighton chose to ignore their statement about the deadline for bids seems bvious. Does that make Brighton’s management liars? Who knows.
The fact that the signals Liverpool received from Caicedo’s camp may have been accurate when they spoke to Liverpool. Does that make them liars? Again, who knows. I tend to give people the benefit the doubt - they give an honest response to the circumstances at the time and then, life being life, circumstances change.
Anyway, it doesn’t matter - Caicedo is now playing for Chelsea. Good luck to the lad.
8.) 06 Sep 2023 03:47:05
It’s was such a dumb PR stunt that even Brighton was in on it and their CEO even came in Talksport to comment on the deal saying how well LFC conducted themselves. I guess Brighton are mugs too, yeah? The utter nonsense people will convince themselves of is absolute bonkers.
9.) 06 Sep 2023 08:21:29
To be fair, thomas said the Caceido bid wasn't a PR stunt. He's saying the Saudi bids for Salah are?
I don't why though.
16 Oct 2023 12:11:24
Fabrizio Romano has confirmed that the new concrete is having a medical. Here We Go soon.
06 Sep 2023 12:34:15
Fabrizio mentioned this morning that the Liverpool coaches and board view Darwin as 'untouchable'. I'm not saying we should believe everything he says, but there would be no benefit to him making that up. It's hardly click generating.
For me Felix plays a similar role to Gakpo, but Gakpo is a much better player. The idea of Joao Felix is better than the actual product, he's all style no substance.
31 Aug 2023 19:36:11
VV to be fair at least Phillips has actually been a good player at this level. Arthur Melo flopped at Barcelona and only ended up at Juve because he was part of an elaborate accounting trick.
29 Aug 2023 09:38:34
Yes let’s sell him and spend the money on a world clas replacement. Because we did such a good job of it when we sold Fabinho!
28 Aug 2023 15:54:36
I think it's perfectly rational to think Endo did fine and that we still ideally should sign somebody else to start ahead of him. That's where I sit
As for Douglas Luiz, I really rate him as a player. But his performances have dramatically improved since Emery gave him more license to go forward, so I'm not sure he's the answer as a DM.
16 Oct 2023 13:14:09
Maddison is a purple patch player like Rashford, he looked just as unplayable in bursts for Leicester then he would disappear for the rest of the season.
16 Oct 2023 17:42:47
This game is 100% on my bucket list, alongside the Casablanca derby.
09 Oct 2023 10:37:04
I can't speak for everyone, but personally I don't understand the nuances of rugby enough to know how many good or bad calls are being made so it's difficult to compare.
02 Oct 2023 13:42:56
I understand the sentiment of everyone in this thread, but I have to disagree. If every team walked off it would make PMGOL's position untenable. No lessons are being learned, the dust hadn't even settled on our game and Brentford were denied a clear penalty, ultimately costing them 2 points. This simply cannot continue, this is not football and extreme action needs to be taken.
22 Sep 2023 14:27:19
Moyes isn't even the manager of West Ham, it's actually Michail Antonio. Given how much the lad has to say for himself he must be.