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02 Sep 2016 22:19:30
Hey eds Magic site, check it several times daily. Just wondering if these everbright takeover/ investment rumours are true or a load of shite.

{Ed091's Note - Bloomberg are a very well respected. That's all I can say for now.

1.) 02 Sep 2016 23:27:12
Wow, that sounds exciting.
I think FSG are great owners who love sports, and with Klopp they would have had us seriously competing for CL football within the next two seasons, and probably achieving a CL place most years. Will we win the PL? Well we would surely come close under Klopp. who knows.

But the financial power of Everbright and their associates is on a whole different level.
If LFC becomes the flagship club of Chinese state sponsored investors, and if Klopp stays, there is almost no limit to the player recruitment options that might become available.

With that level of financial power backing the club, one imagines approaches and offers of £50m to 100m for players becoming a regular occurence, and the very best players in the world would look at lfc as a destination club, rather than a stepping stone on the way to City, Real or Barcelona etc.

It would be so great to win the PL after so long.
If the price of winning the league is becoming a Chinese owned publicity and sporting flagship, and if some of us aren't 100% comfortable with that idea, then maybe we ought to ask ourselves what victory in this financially doped and insane Premier League really means.

I really want Lfc to win the league- but I do start to wonder what actually is it we would be winning? In a world where many players earn more than the operating budget of a major hospital and have the loyalty and morals of mafia hitmen, what would a PL victory actually mean?

2.) 03 Sep 2016 00:25:10
Fook all, I hate the idea of foreign owners spending £100m on one player. Sad that it's got to that stage.

3.) 03 Sep 2016 02:08:39
Lala land yall are living in complete and utter lala land
Offer 200 million for messi to come to liverpool he still wouldn't come
Just because they are wealthy does not make the club wealthy did you forget? I give up.

4.) 03 Sep 2016 06:06:52
Don't like it. To be honest, I'm uncomfortable with what's happened to top flight football altogether. Liverpool included. A clubs views and principles are sold along with the name these days, and football is simply not what it once was. As a result, even footballers themselves are not what they once were. I've never been a fan of a win at all costs attitude like Chelsea. I'd love to win the league, but not at that cost. It'd rather be mid table in league 2, with a fan owned club, than challenge for the league that you're trying to buy. What Leicester did was amazing, and that's what I'd love for Liverpool. But the new TV deals will make sure that doesn't happen for a long time to come.

The way football is going, massive money ownership for my club would be like watching John terry have it off with my wife. I could never look at her the same way again. Could I abandon my club like that? Time may tell. It's not leaving your club if your club has sold its soul. The club, like any living thing, would be dead without its soul. It'd just be a matter of moving on.

5.) 03 Sep 2016 07:58:20
These types of investors are not doing it because they love Liverpool, they're doing it because they sense money to be made. Football already is a business so these sorts of things are, I suppose, inevitable. I personally don't think we need to be going out splashing ridiculous sums on players - there are definitely other ways to achieve success. As has been alluded to - if spending 100m on a player is a pre-requisite to success than how valuable is success?

I'm always on the teams back when they play badly or don't do well but you know, when you have those golden moments like the Dortmund game and Norwich game last season? That's why I love football and love supporting our club - it is a roller coaster but, when you have those highs, they leave a lasting impression. The way money has taken over the game makes it seem like money is the only thing that matters - I think the joy of the game is being forgotten - I look forward to the next crazy game we experience to be honest, I don't really care about new investments and a load of money being poured into the club - they're economical concerns not football concerns.

Have to say as well, with the sheer sums of money we're talking about in the modern game, it is almost impossible to quantify - the sums are so far from reality for most people that they may as well be fairy dust. 100m for this player, 80m for that player - it's computer game stuff, that money for a human with well coordinated feet? It is just insane.

6.) 03 Sep 2016 08:04:06
Interesting the way this thread's developing and the opinions. I love this site.

7.) 03 Sep 2016 08:36:34
Seano I agree with the sentiment and with other posters that personally I wouldn't be sure of them as owners . However I'd say they'd be investing to raise their consortium profile to raise money in other ventures than to directly profit through Liverpool. At least I would hope as to directly turn Liverpool in to a regularly profitable organization at the moment would be true miracle working!

8.) 03 Sep 2016 07:43:06
Football is, sadly, changing forever and there's no going back. You either accept it or turn the channel.

Im surprised teams are even named after cities these days when a team from northern England can be owned by Saudis; a team from London can field a side devoid of English players; a team from Spain can have a larger fan base in Asia than their own country. i'm sure its not to long until some billionaire owner decides he's going to rename an established team 'The Mighty Tigers' or something silly and, hey, why not? Its not like the geographical location of the stadium means much anymore.

Tradition seems to be the first victim when profiteering is the main objective so i guess we either enjoy the drastically changing face of football for what it is or maybe try and find some grass-roots level sports to watch. When we become the Merseyside Panther Roar playing in blue and white at the Colgate Minty Fresh stadium, i might switch over to the lawn bowls.

{Ed002's Note - You cannot simply rename teams.}

9.) 03 Sep 2016 08:49:57
I hate how its gone and its put me off top end football a lot, but i still see that to compete these investors are needed, i know Leicester did well but it wasnt a usual happening
Would a breakaway European league be better for English football? . let the money men play their games and let English football have its soul back? I don't know but something has to give as i like many it seems are being put off by obscene anounts of money to people no more special than anyone else in the world, frightening.

10.) 03 Sep 2016 08:56:35
Hmmm I'm not suure about that Shanek - with ever increasing value in the Premier League via T. V deals, sponsorship, etc i'd say the possibility to make profit from club ownership is definitely there. I'm not sure we would be the best team to do so with, as FSG have found, but I'm not sure a consortium of economically savvy business people would invest in any venture purely to raise profile. I might be wrong, but that would seem to be a strange business strategy - our club would probably cost close to a billion to acquire - that is a huge outlay just for "exposure" - i'm pretty sure they'd be expecting a tidy return on such an investment.

11.) 03 Sep 2016 09:10:26
To be honest Richie if the Pan-European League did happen (and if ED002 is right its a case of when rather than if) then I honestly think I'd just stop watching football. Even if Liverpool were a part of it i'd feel like too much of the fabric of the game had changed and I don't think i'd be interested in watching it. The rivalries and passions of playing teams who you know and are familiar with - that's a big part of the game - and the Pan-European league would completely torpedo it. Even though we dislike United as a club we love playing them because it stirs up passions and, even when the football on show is poor, you live every pass, every shot, and its great. It would be incredibly sad to see that disappear.

{Ed002's Note - It is a natural progression Seano. If you go back in time the lower tier leagues were structured according to geographical location, as transportation became easier Northern and Southern leagues were merged. Around the same time you started to see European Competitions arrive and they grew significantly during the 1960s. With the onset of satellite broadcasting there was an increase in televised football in the 1970s and 1980s. In the 1990s there was a significant influx of foreign players, and the 00s saw the significant increase in money coming in to the game - and so it goes.}

12.) 03 Sep 2016 09:38:20
Don't we compete financially for players already?
I can't think of us being outbid on any player.

I can't see how having new owners is going to significantly change our spending. Isn't our spending limited by our turnover?
Maybe if the new owners built a new 100k seater stadium which we filled every week but my understanding is we'd have to move location, perhaps even out of the city, to achieve that.

Ed002, can you help with this? There seems to be a confusion about whether new owners will mean we can spend 100m on individual players.

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure why this discussion is happening but I assume that it is in regards to Everbright - personally I am not aware of anything to do with this aside from a fejected offer back in February from a goup that included Everbright and other institutional investors. Are you sure this is all current? I have warned for many years that institutional owners are the worst thing for football clubs there interest being in return on investment. THink of this as your pention company looking to increase your pension pot by buying in to a scheme that would give a 10% return over a year - they don't care about the scheme, they care about their members and the return. FFP continues to apply and clubs are limited with what they can invest beyond what they earn as profit. A change made by the nice Mr Platini that allows additional spending from investment if certain criteria are met: (a) Informing UEFA by December 31 of the previous year that a club wishes to invest more the following summer; (b) that they have a business model that supports that they will be entirely self funding again within three years, and (c) they accept any sanctions that could follow if the investor pulls out and they cannot return to self funding.

What you cannot do is simply go out and spend vast amounts of money. Inter Milan has seen this as a problem this summer and have managed to persuade clubs to let them take players on future promises and potentially involving the players signing for another club and being loaned to them. As far as the Italian FA are concerned this is a questionable approach.}

13.) 03 Sep 2016 10:14:00
I know you're right ED and I suppose it is progress. It seems though that it is progress for the sake of business, as opposed to increasing the quality and appeal of the game. I've grown up in the 90's and new millenium watching the game to perhaps this is the first significant change in my lifetime to the game. It'll be interesting to see what happens - I do think some of the enduring qualities of the domestic game will be lost with this progress, I hope i'm wrong though.

{Ed002's Note - You are right about "business" Seano, it is the nature of football at the higher levels. It is unsustainable as it stands and their needs a significant restructuring - and Europe can easily sustain an elite European League.}

14.) 03 Sep 2016 11:22:25
Does the Brexit vote put the breakaway talks on hold for a while?

{Ed002's Note - No, it is nothing to do with the European Union.}

15.) 03 Sep 2016 15:09:26
The major problem right now, is that both Manchester clubs are going flat out to win the premiership, and buying big name players, and I can see them both coming top two top three, which doesn't leave us in a very good position, Chelsea are like us, playing less games,
top four this season might be just out of our reach .

16.) 03 Sep 2016 22:21:47
. and so it goes, until it goes pop.

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