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23 Jul 2015 20:29:46
Any word on Jerome Sinclair and are contract talks still ongoing?

{Ed001's Note - it is likely he will leave, unless something drastic happens.}

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23 Jul 2015 15:41:12
Any word on Jerome Sinclair signing a new contract or do you think he will leave? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - They have been unable to agree a contract. I rather suspect that a number of the younger players will be looking to move on over the next year or so.}

1.) 23 Jul 2015 17:49:20
Not to fussed to be honest.

If they don't want to fight for there place then I don't want them.

Ings character got questioned on here because hr would take penalties last year.

He could of gone pretty much anywhere in the prem and of been guaranteed game time, yet he come to a club who he know will invest year on year on new players and still came knowing he will have to fight. That's character.

A snotty nosed 18 year old doesn't want competition? Doesn't want to have to get on that training field and batter his way into contention ?

He is currently on the sane path as Raheem, he got some game time at the end of the season, has been offered a new deal but wants to run away.

Theres the door mate.

For every u21 now there is another 20 u8's just signed. I know a lad by my work who just left united boys to cone to Liverpool and he's a good player- only 10 mind.

SinclaIr should sign and go get a loan and prove himself.

I mean if he wants to leave because he doesn't believe he will get a chance then he can rule out moving anywhere in the prem because there not going into a season with ab 18 yol as there starting forward.

Where's he going to go league 1 ? Work his way up. If that's the case then I wish him every success.

But why leave west brom tk come to Liverpool? He must of known it would be abit easier breaking in there than here.

I believe he is after more money and his agent already has somewere else lined up.

{Ed001's Note - Ings dropped down the leagues for game time first, just like Sinclair is wanting to do, but you criticise one and laud the other. Amazing. People see what they want to see I guess.}

2.) 23 Jul 2015 19:09:14
Because of the amount of players we have bought in Ed?

{Ed001's Note - yes. They have all found their route into the team blocked by new arrivals.}

3.) 23 Jul 2015 20:18:54
Hard to fight for your place when you're forgotten in the stands or on a random loan.

4.) 23 Jul 2015 20:20:22
Sorry ed but remind me are we talking about the same Danny ings who was released by Southampton to then join Bournemouth who were in league one/two to later join Burnley who were then in the CHAMPIONSHIP, and now move to Liverpool who are in the PREMIERSHIP.

Your the one who violently assaulted his character because he wouldn't take penalties but wouldn't credit him for having the nuts to take on the mammoth that is Liverpool football club when he would of had properly more game time somewhere else!

And yet you haven't bashed Sinclairs character for not wanting to stay and fight for his place. What does he want guaranteed game time lol you earn what you get in this life

Some people really do see what they wanna see don't they.

I absolutely 100% guarantee its down to money and he will have somewhere else lined up, my bets Southampton, Tottenham or Newcastle.

All these kids & parents know the size of the club and the spending power and also the rate of top clubs playing academy players which is ridiculously low. Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and untied how many academy products in there Teams.

Why don't they put there kids in academy's like tranmeres etc.

Why also leave somewhere like west Bromwich to move to us. When you kbow thete is about atleast a 50% better chance to get a shot thete than here.
Money maybe??

It's the same as use always say if it was really all about champions league football why not move to Celtic.

Money money money.

{Ed001's Note - are you really going to miss the point that Saints did offer Ings a reduced contract, but with no guarantee of playing time, so at that age he chose to leave, to get guaranteed football. Which is what Sinclair is after. Oh or perhaps it is that Ings chose Bournemouth for the money, then Burnley for more money, then us for even more money, while Sinclair is turning down more money to go elsewhere, where he won't earn as much! You really have no clue. Ings is now a senior pro, who bottled penalties and taking a low number so he could hide, while picking up a huge paycheque and a monster signing bonus. Oh and he joined us because he was guaranteed games by the manager, so hardly him having the balls to fight for a place is it? Whereas Sinclair is a young lad starting out his career and has been told he has been replaced and will have to go on loan to get games. Sorry if I miss the similarity but you really are talking utter bollox like a typical biased fan who slags off any player who wants to leave us, while missing the fact that Ings acted like a proper blurt trying to get out of Burnley in January to join us, while Sinclair has done nothing of the sort, just turned down a new contract. You are just making yourself look clueless, as you have no idea about either lad, nor what goes on and then you try and argue a completely ignorant view.}

5.) 23 Jul 2015 20:53:13
Comparing Raheem to Sinclair, who just wants a fair crack like Raheem was given is an insult and does a huge disservice to the poor boy. If we had the money we had now when BR arrived, I highly doubt Raheem and the other young ones like Suso, Wisdom and the like would have seen the pitch that year. Why? because that`s what is happening now. So you`re slating a poor boy who just wants a chance to have a career whether here or elsewhere and you slate him for it because a naive and poorly advised child did something akin to that BUT not similar in the slightest? He`s after money? And how do you know that? because you asked and he told you, right? Your post is pathetic to its core. You clearly know NOTHING about the sacrifices required to chase a dream. Your comment is the reason why IMO, youth players should stay away from our youth setup or lack thereof. Useless comment!

6.) 23 Jul 2015 20:54:21
I feel for you Eds sometimes.

7.) 23 Jul 2015 21:17:13
Danny ings was released by Southampton at the age of 15 in 2008. Hardly end of the rainbow stuff. He didn't leave man United to join Bournemouth did he.

He also didn't leave bournmouth and push a move through when Fulham came in for him and there was a lot interest there from other teams.

Did Sinclair really count as player this season to be replaced. How many professional games has he had?? Ibe went on and proved himself didn't he?

Why did he join us from West Bromwich if it wasn't for money?

I am sorry though I didn't realise Sinclair had been asked to go on loan but refused and asked to leave. Character there ed!

And I completely forgot about ings BBC interview and stating he wouldn't sign for burnley for 900.000 grand a week.

Aren't use the same eds who whinged 'oh there's mote to it' 'not sterling's fault' 'itz not for the money' blah blah blah. But ings is just a blurt.

Has ings got it written in his contract that he will get games? If not it means diddly squat doesn't it pal, Brendan could be gone in November. What then? It took nuts to make the move considering if Brendan goes he could be left to rot by the next manager.

And didn't ings just do his moves after he EARNT them? Sinclair doesn't deserve any game time, he's done nothibg.

Ings proved himself in league one, so maybe took the move to Burnley as a step in Quality not Just MONEY, then maybe he took the next move to us for the steo in Quality not just the money? He was on a ffree he was always going to command good money.

He earned where he is, to make the decisions he has. Sinclair is leaving because he isn't going to get game time when he hasn't been and had a full season anywerw so why does he deserve a shot? The club asked him to do something and he has refused.

If he had just come back from a loan At Derby and had performed really well and wasnt being given a shot theb I might just listen to you pal but until then.

"Off the field, Ings has gained a reputation for charitable acts. In November 2014, he launched and funded the Danny Ings Disability Sport Project to provide football coaching to children with disabilities and learning difficulties after being inspired to do so by a young disabled Burnley fan. Key word - funded"

Can see your sheep already commenting above lol

{Ed001's Note - ah you are just unable to read and make stuff up in your head! Now I understand it. Bournemouth offered him first team football, Fulham would not, which is why he stayed there, yet you are slagging off Sinclair for wanting first team football.

Professional games? Well he came on as sub at the end of the season a few times, then was told this season he wouldn't even get that, but that seems to have escaped your notice with some bizarre inference it is related to Ibe, who has not had 3 first team players brought in to play in the same position as he plays. Talk about another ridiculous comparison to try and make an even more ridiculous point.

Not sure why you are bringing Sterling into it, probably because you are in the wrong so you are trying to twist it round to a completely different argument. Sad tactic but wasted as we can just skip the idiocy of that.

I never said Ings was just a blurt, I said he acted like one, as did Lallana, but I bet you aren't slagging either of those off are you? No because you are one of those embarrassing hypocrites.

Hardly takes 'nuts' to take a millions of pound signing fee knowing that if it goes wrong you will get a move elsewhere but will be set for life does it? You seem to be a very strange individual if you think that is bravery.

So you fail to understand that Sinclair just wants the chance to earn it like Ings did. You really are just making a fool of yourself with your complete inability to understand the stupidity of your argument.

I am not sure what that little piece about his charity work is meant to prove, Collymore does charity work but is still a piece of dirt. I can name you many others, Adebayor for instance, that are complete pricks but do lots for charity, including charitable foundations. Wilshere is another one. I wonder how much is just purely about getting tax breaks, like the money Elton John and George Michael pay to Battersea Dogs Home? Not that it is relevant to any of this discussion, other than to show how little understanding you have of the discussion.

Oh yes such a clever remark at the end, as it is clear that no one could possibly just agree with me and see what a fool you are making of yourself could they? You really have no idea what you are talking about and yet I am sure you will carry on arguing until I get bored and give up trying to explain it. I know I am wasting my time, you clearly have no insight into anything, your whole argument is nonsensical and based on some bizarre blinkered viewpoint, where it is ok to be a complete arse so long as you do it to move to Liverpool not away from Liverpool.

By the way, could you show me what exactly it is you object to with Sinclair? Has he made any kind of public comments for you to be ready to burn his effigy? Or has he simply turned down a new contract? I am sure once he leaves you will tell us all how crap he was anyway and how we don't need him etc etc.}

8.) 23 Jul 2015 22:45:52
I agree that criticism of Sinclair is un warranted and harsh however I think it is equally as harsh calling ings a bottler because he didn't want a low number especially when the only low number available was 8 which I wouldn't want to have following gerrard and besides is there really any need to put any additional pressure on yourself for the sake of a number?

9.) 24 Jul 2015 00:56:21
We will only see about Ings. The fact is he did bottle it at burnley. Now he has purposely chosen a high squad number to "remove the pressure". Make of that what you will.

To my mind a squad number makes no difference at all. If he plays for Liverpool as senior pro then he could wear 9 or 99, the expectation and pressure would be just the same. For him to think otherwise is worrying. However, let's give the lad time and see what happens .

As for Sinclair I don't think anybody should have a bad word to say about the kid. If he wants to play football, and the club aren't going to give it to him, then we should all wish the lad well.

10.) 23 Jul 2015 22:46:44
No ed you will end this conversation when you can't prove yourself right not when your bored. Lol

Let me break my points down for you since you have tried to make a tit out of me instead of properly talking about them.

I brought the Fulham bid in because you were alluding to all his moves being money orientated rather than for footballing reasons, so I was pointing out that if it was for money wouldn't he have moved to Fulham.

I mentioned sterling because you have so far called ings actions a blurt, made out he is a mercenary and said he has no character or not enough to be at a top team. Yet you wouldn't say one word about what sterling was doing, and blamed everyine else apart from him. Hypocrisy??

Sorry but anything above 20k a week and a couple of mil in signing bonus sets you up for life and I'm sure he had offers around that from lower end teams in the premier and abroad. It took courage to move to Liverpool no matter what way you put it. He hasn't come just for the money, that's for sure. He wouldn't of tried so hard to get a move in Jan if it was for money because he would of been better of waiting till the end of the season because he was going to get a better pay day. We could of easily agreed a fee in jan and he wouldn't of had the luxury of being a free agent.

Sorry ed but why not sign, go and do your year loan and then see what happens next year? If not go for your move then? What the difference in proving yourself at Brighton whilst a Liverpool player to doing it there but not being a Liverpool player. Isn't he not wanting to go and prove himself by refusing to go on loan and wanting a guarentee of game time here with having about 5 games all in all of "EARNT" experience behind him! Are you really so deluded that you can't see that?

You go on and on and on and on about how bad the fans are about slagging off ex players and current players, yet you haven't had one good thing to say about ings who is our current player. You said he did everything for money before and he's now set for life so I just pointed out that he does some good with it unlike some even including captain fantastic (oh sorry ed but yes that was a dig at an ex player. Sue me) I love how you only mention people who do it for the wrong reasons to take anything away from it. There are hundreds of people who do it for good reasons (sports stars, celebrities and the rest) why don't you mention some of them??

No you have everyone believing that you are always 100% right about everything. It's cringeworthy sometimes [ed001 - director of football would be good] [everyone - if we don't get a director of football in soon fsg need to f**kin go] whatever the subject, player or sandwich ideas everyine agrees with you. It must do your heads in.

To me my problem is an 18 year old boy has been offered a professional probably good contract offer from one of the biggest clubs in world football and been asked to go out on loan to prove himself and refused point blank because get this everyine who bother reading stuff that isn't red he thinks he deserves to be starting up front for Liverpool without having a loan but then and this is the cherry on the cake 'he wants to leave to prove himself?' why not just sign, go on loan and see What happens next year and if he's not in contention, he Can put in a transfer request and move on.

And it's not for money. The argument doesn't make sense. He can have a loan and prove himself but he doesn't want to, he wants to leave and prove himself? Confusing to say the least.

And no ed not on your nelly (to quote del boy) I don't know what I think of Sinclair personally he looks like he has all the tools to succeed but does it go like costa or ballo, is going to achieve what he's capable of. I hope so.

What I'm not happy about is the club the club getting subtly blamed for si clair wanting to leave and potentially others in the future, when this is down to him. He has an offer there, time on his side and the option to go get a loan and really prove himself and he himself doesn't want to.

It's for money, and I guarentee he will be off to Tottenham, Southampton or a Newcastle.

I don't think it is fair either to act like we're wrong for criticising players when they leave and also alluding to when we don't rate players

{Ed001's Note - I can't even be bothered to read what you have typed. Bored bored bored, saw the first few lines and realised you are too busy making up lies in your head about what has been said. You have no input of any interest because everything you have to say is based on these lies you make up in your head, there is no point having a conversation with someone who is not able to understand what is said and instead chooses to make up twisted lies in their head. None of your posts show any insight, just blinkered biased bitter fandom who slags off anything that doesn't suit their bitter twisted idea of all that is Liverpool is good.}

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