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04 Sep 2016 10:02:27
To be honest I never look at other teams forums but I wonder if so much negative and non support goes on with others. I have always read the transfer rumours with great interest and I get football is all opinions. Even when the majority agree it is still baically an opinion but it actually starts to depress me as a supporter when I read through some of these pages. Yes a blind man could see Liverpool are not perfect. No debate needed there and yes we can agree without argument that not every player is what we want in our squad but surely as fans our, yes OUR number 1 role is to support what we have!? I thought Liverpool where famous for the backing they give. way back 'in the day' it was one of the things that drew me to the club. the support. As a youngster I would watch in awe at the Liverpool fans. Winning or losing. Mistakes or perfection the fans where amazing. I loved that. I know football has changed. Social media puts us in direct contact with every aspect of club on daily basis. I get that. But again surely as fans, regardless of OPINION which of course we can all have but suely our number 1 job is support. Unwaivering Liverpool brand support. Can that make bad players good? Doubtful. Could it instill confidence in bad players and make them want to be better? Possible. Sorry for the rant but I just wonder and worry that our support is turning to the type that only supports winning. we all want that. Believe me not many want it more than me but we have to accept that we have a part to play in building that success. Support. A players not LFC standard. We back him until club move him on. We back him like no other club back a player. We build him up. We give him the platform to better himself and the team. If it doesn't work out he leaves and we move on knowing that the player got every ounce of support a clubs fans could give . It works and we know that LFC support help make that player and only the Liverpool way could have done that. I do hope we get back to being the supporters that drew me to this club. Supporters that support.

1.) 04 Sep 2016 11:30:30
Klopp was bang on the money from day 1 with his comment 'we need to change from being doubters to believers'.
Every team has weaknesses, every game involves mistakes, every dressing room has personality clashes and no team gets all their (fan's) number one targets.

Back in the day, when we were in our pomp, all these things were part and parcel of the game. Now we debate them endlessly on talk shows, forums and we analyse every game to the minutiae.

We just need to relax and enjoy the game and have a party atmosphere at the match so their is less pressure and expectation on the team.

2.) 04 Sep 2016 13:02:34
The problem in Liverpool is the gap between expectations which every summer is still contesting to the title or at least top 4 and the reality which in most recent years but one, was outside the top 4. I assume Stoke site has less negativity because their expectations are lower. Man City has less negativity because in the last 5 years they are title contenders. I am sure there is a lot of negativity in ManU in their bad years and if they will go 25 years without a title, invest a lot of money and stay out of the top 4 you will not see there much positivity. I like it that our fans have high expectations. If you are not dissapionted with bad results you will never improve.

3.) 04 Sep 2016 13:05:40
Also the place for support is the pitch. This is a banter site. Nothing to do with players. Unless you come here to get supported I can't see what support got to do with this site. As far as I am awere in the games our fans are very supportive.

4.) 04 Sep 2016 13:18:14
Maybe you are not aware of a lot of stuff then fano?

There is a spectrum of 'support' at home games.
Away fans are legends though 🏆.

5.) 04 Sep 2016 13:23:27
Fanobip: if the players and management aren't dissapointed with bad results we won't make progress
Fans showing disappointment will make no positive difference: in fact the effect will probably be to put more pressure on the players which, in most cases is counterproductive.

6.) 04 Sep 2016 13:51:40
Spot on, Fanobip. I am a supporter of LFC and like many, I believe that my team can indeed do better than what we have been doing recently. We could have made hay over the years had we made better decisions on and off the pitch but that's all in the past now. Currently, we have shown that we can compete with any of the big boys under Klopp which is why the Spurs game was seen as alert down because we smashed them within the game. I see nothing wrong with with this type of disappointment because we want the best for our team and we know they can do better. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, we must also put things in perspective when being critical and stop with the doom and gloom after every loss or draw because the PL now, is so unpredictable that three wins in a row can get you up the table in a flash. Let's just remain optimistic but at the same time, aware of the reality of our club at this time.

7.) 04 Sep 2016 14:22:40
Alright Andy so we should be positive about the repetitive mistakes that seem to happen season after season. Listen, I understand the whole argument against the modern fan expecting too much too quickly and being quick to write of managers, players etc but that is hardly the case right now at Liverpool. No one is writing off the manager, 90% of us want klopp as manager and 100% of us want him to succeed with us. As for the players, there are certain players that have been written off and for good reason, it's not just the so called negative fans that have written them off, it's also the fans that constantly say get behind the team that have also written them off. Players are praised when appropriate, I can't say the same about the manager at the moment if I'm honest, and that's kind off divided the fans a bit. Some people think he can do no wrong and it's other people's fault, others aren't quite ready to roll out the red carpet.

The point being, we have been in a negative downward spiral for some time and people got a lot of false hope with klopp. That's not to say we won't achieve anything with klopp, but a lot of fans have completely unrealistic expectations which have also divided the fans. I've said in the past and I'll say it again, if you take a look at our trajectory since the last time we won the title it's a gradual trend downwards and it keeps going down. This has given people reason to be negative. Every other season is transition, or new manager, new players and a set of fans saying Rome wasn't built in a day as if every time it's different but the not too distant history shows that it isn't, and quotes like 'Rome wasn't built in a day' are just as ridiculous as people saying we won't achieve anything this season already only 3 games into the season. Fans need to be more balanced, and sadly that will never be the case. You will have fans that say anything apart from praise is negativity and you will have fans that slate us even when we win.

The facts remain that there's more negativity surrounding the club at the moment than positivity and that is reflected on the perception of the fans, similar story at Arsenal. We want success, we've spent far too much money not to have any. We don't want to be half glass full anymore or support anything and everything the club does even when it's bogus. That's how we have got to the place we are now and have fallen behind, by ignoring our problems.

8.) 04 Sep 2016 14:22:50
Ron as far as I am awere we had only away games this season. Andy I think that dissatisfaction of United fans last year had a lot to do with them sacking LVC and bringing Morenho. In any case whatever the role of fans in games, this is a banter site which is exactly were they can show thier frustration.

9.) 04 Sep 2016 14:51:31
Are we just talking about this season?
Hard to really judge the impact of fans at the match based on away fans only.

10.) 04 Sep 2016 15:30:40
Agree fanobip, I think our dissatisfaction perhaps being shown more than other clubs supporters is due to our previous glory years and our yearning for it to return, I posted very simialr to that a few wweeks back.

11.) 04 Sep 2016 16:07:27
Kman92 and fanobip, I think I agree with almost everything in your replies. I'm not suggesting we should be pleased with the trajectory of the club: I'm old enough to remember the title winning years. I do think Klopp represents the best chance we have of turning things round, even more so than Rafa. We came so close under Rogers and Klopp's a better manager than him.

I was expressing the view that, if we want to help the team win, the only meaningful contribution the fans at the game can make is to take the pressure off by giving the lads unconditional support. I think that this is the practical outworking of what Klopp means by being a believer. It doesn't mean not having reservations, it means putting them to one side.

12.) 04 Sep 2016 22:33:22
Personally I couldn't care less how positive or negative a posters comments are (within reason) as long as like me they are shouting their hearts out come match day. People's opinions are always going to differ but support come match day should be when we're all united. Sometimes the negatives have to be debated and discussed and I don't see any harm in this as long as it's backed up with why the poster thinks this way and not just random slating of players, posters or manager etc.

13.) 04 Sep 2016 23:48:48
Spot on, Poolie. We can disagree on the issues but what we should all agree to do is support and root for the team on match days, NO MATTER WHAT.

14.) 05 Sep 2016 00:59:13
100% Andy, maybe I misinterpreted some of what you said. At the games we should definitely get behind the team and the players even when they make it hard too sometimes. But when the fans engage with eachother on sites like these we should be able to talk about the problems, without the constant slating and also without the constant comments about negativity. Like literally, if I say midfield is a major problem for us, or klopp made a mistake by not making this sub, or playing this player out of position is costing us, that is literally deemed as negativity? Where is the line drawn nowadays? Highlighting the problems the club has is not negativity unless I constantly bang on about it even in victory and say I refuse to support the team until they are fixed, whilst constantly slating players and manager, that is genuine negativity.

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