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27 May 2014 16:39:19
Hey eds,

Just wanted to know whether the club are interested in getting both xherdan shaqiri and adam lallana


{Ed002's Note - I don't know but there is interest in both.}




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18 Jul 2018 16:14:12
I personally think it was out of Fekir or Allison for us (in terms of a big transfer) and we just went with Allison after it was made clear we’d be favourites and the player wanted to join us after Madrid had pulled out. Maybe something swayed us off the Fekir deal completely or we just identified GK as more of a weakness than the number 10 position especially with the inclusion of Shaqiri, which it is, as we saw last season. I think if we were to sanction another deal that’s £60m+ someone of worth has to be leaving. Regardless, if things stay as they are, Salah mane and firmino staying and Allison arriving I think we can put aside the while ‘owners don’t care about this club’ debate behind. They have fully backed us and Klopp and they’d be little excuses for next season, we have a team capable or winning things. Only thing I’m worried about is the whole Buvac situation.


1.) 18 Jul 2018 16:17:16
What Buvac situation? He has left and has been replaced by Pep Lijnders.

2.) 18 Jul 2018 19:02:05
The situation that he’s been klopps right hand man for the majority of his managerial career and has had huge success with him and pep lijnders is a rather untried and untested coach that did fair too well in his first managerial venture. I think there’s still a Buvac replacement required and one that is as good or better otherwise I fear there’s a hole there that can be very detrimental next season.



09 Jun 2018 21:14:56
Quite surprised at the response of some fellow fans to the Fekir deal seemingly falling through, I mean people aren’t as gutted as I thought they’d be or maybe it’s just the posts that have actually made it on that make it seem that way, I wish I was as perky as others but after losing the final I was starting to feel better with Fekir coming in, considering I’ve watched quite a bit of him (since coutinho left I thought Fekir was the best like for like replacement and watched him since) . Personally I’d think the deal is fully off, he’ll have a decent World Cup and someone else will grab him with no ‘problems’ in the medical. Maybe we just can’t stretch that far financially and we’ve prioritised a GK over him, who knows all I can say is it’s frustrating given the response from rival fans, and I just can see anyone as good or better than him in that position that would come for that price. Only guy I can think of that is better than him and is potentially available is isco and that’s not going to happen.


1.) 09 Jun 2018 21:29:32
This is bull! Same old Financial barriers! We lid £90 mill for a defender. £60 mill on a CM and £50 mill on a DM. we are interested in Allisson knowing very well how much he would cost! If we don’t have finances then we are not catching up City!

2.) 09 Jun 2018 21:48:54
Seriously Harry, one person mentions that it might be a financial thing and you jump on that bandwagon. What more do FSG have to do to show you that they are willing to pay? With the figures being quoted, I would hope that they are really sure of their investment. Of doctors are raising questions over the knee or whatever their concern is, then maybe, just maybe FSG are justified in not pulling the trigger on the deal.

That being said. Ed02 just says that the negotiations are ongoing. So how about we just wait and see before we slag anyone off huh?

3.) 09 Jun 2018 22:37:32

And the medical team missed to diagnose a concussion 🙄🙄🙄.

4.) 09 Jun 2018 23:33:05
Harry mate I urge you not to talk about them failing to diagnose concussion if you have no idea about it. Do some more research on concussion and then come back.

It can take time to see any kind of effects with concussion. This isn't the medical teams fault, it's nobody's fault at all. If there were signs during that game, he'd of been off. They aren't part of Liverpool's medical team for nothing.



06 Jun 2018 16:29:55
It looks like we’re going for a more affordable option as back up for Salah and mane which I’m not all that fussed about because I think that’s all that we would need, a decent back up option that is a threat. With Fekir hopefully coming in and OX coming back we would have options for the attacking midfield position and out wide. Moses Simon looks like he’s going to be that player and he looks a threat from the videos I’ve seen (which doesn’t say a lot really), I would prefer Bernard on a free though. I’ve seen more of him at a higher level. I think ideally we were potentially looking at dembele on loan with an option to buy but it probably wouldn’t be possible and they’d prefer an outright sale anyway. A wide player, Fekir (hopefullly), a goalkeeper and possibly a centre back and I think we’re set, unless someone unexpectedly was to leave.


1.) 06 Jun 2018 17:55:30
People’s issue with Simon is purely because they’ve never heard of him or seen him play. People crave “big names”.

It’s only 12 months ago that Leon bailey was playing in the Belgian league and now he’s 70mil player apparently.

I hope we’ve found a gem in Simon and fully trust klopp and scouts.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool watched him two years ago.}

2.) 06 Jun 2018 17:59:57
If the “affordable” option is Shaqiri then it should be “avoidable” option. We should sign players for the squad and not for the first eleven alone. The front three are not unstoppable imo! If there is someone better than them then get him in.

3.) 06 Jun 2018 19:19:31
I think klopp and his team could turn shaquri into a fantastic player. Look how trim the ox looks these days compared go a year ago. He will get shaquri in shape and the guy has a wicked shot and can pass well.

I like the fact we seem to be looking for bargains. We can't spend 70 mil on every target. We have a fantastic team already, we know that. We reached the ucl final. We just need a few more faces with some quality and I reckon Simon and shaquri have quality.

I don't see us spending 100mil dot someone who isn't guaranteed to start. Ie dembele. I know we need depth but that's ridiculous. Fekir, mane, salah, Firmino and dembele can't start every game. Our front three have done too much to be ditched for a new marquee signing.

Bar caulker and manninger every klopp signing has been a success to some degree. They have all made tonnes of 1st team performances. Matip and Klavan have both played some fantastic games. I back our recruitment team to make the right moves.

4.) 06 Jun 2018 19:21:27
Spot on, Ed. Just learned that we have been watching Simon since 2015 so he may be unheard of to many BUT not to those within the club and NOT to those who have watched him play for Nigeria like I have. With you as well, Harry. Shaquiri is just awful and he should be the "avoidable" choice, for sure

As for Moses "Daddy" Simon, he is a speedster with raw pace and trickery on either side. He was a starter in the Nigerian team during the WC qualifiers with he and Victor Moses on either flank. Talk about raw pace on either side and he was the one keeping another speed demon in Ahmed Musa, out of the starting 112. Now, that takes some doing cos Musa is beloved among the Nigerian fan base.

Simon can play on the right or left, tracks back, can run for days and very hardworking. His end product may need improvement BUT he is a rough diamond and with the right coaching, can be very good and who is better to coach up a talent like Simon than Klopp? I personally, am excited about this kid and what Klopp can do with him.

5.) 06 Jun 2018 19:28:19
If this as a deputy to Mane and Salah then Simon or Shakiri make loads of sense as they won’t cost the earth.

6.) 06 Jun 2018 20:00:59
Simon? Yes. Shaquiri? HECK NO!



27 May 2018 00:42:14
So just my take on the aftermath of tonight result because that’s really what’s important now. I believe the feeling around the club will be somewhat similar to the feeling after we came second in the 13/ 14 season. Costly error/ s cost us a major major honour, our best player having a similar type of season and potentially leaving at the end (which I don’t think will be the case this time around) and the World Cup fast approaching. We went out with a whimper just like we did then. My concern is how detrimental it is on certain people within the club. Those people being Klopp and his management team especially since Buvac has left, along with players like henderson and Karius.

Klopp has now lost his 6th final in a row, I think mentally he’ll start to doubt himself tactically if this happens any longer and that’ll cause him to leave before he’d ever get sacked in order to achieve personal goals at clubs that can bring him such success like Bayern or Madrid. He’ll think he’s been completely found out and can no longer build teams up to the highest level, so like many other top managers he’ll have to go to clubs that already get success regularly. When Klopp arrived I made the statement that I didn’t think we would get the very top honours with him and so far I think everyone can see why. I think his style is too erratic and not pragmatic enough to win a 38 game a season league, unless you have world class players across the spine of the pitch to make up for certain weaknesses in management. Klopps style is great for knockout competition which is why we’ve almost won 3 of them but he falls at the very last hurdle. Moving to the premier league was a rude awakening that I think Klopp as a manager needed, he understands more now that football is more pragmatic than a ‘rock and roll style’. Today’s result had very little to do with Klopp, injuries are a big concern as we constantly get a whole host of injuries within every season but I don’t think that would have made much difference today, this was not klopps fault.

The detrimental affect it’ll have on the players is major self doubt, and to be honest, waking up and smelling the coffee. Some players are not good enough to take us to the very next level, we have to work within our means but we can work within our means and sign players like Keita and Van Dijk for £60m+. That excuse doesn’t hold the same weight for me anymore. I also made the statement that I wasn’t convinced by Karius even though he had been pretty good for us since coming in. It just shows how low our expectations had dropped for this position suffering years of depression with migs in goal, only to find out Karius is just as bad. If Mignolet has made the same errors he would cease to exist. Both are not good enough and please spare me the whole ‘it was only one game’ it’s been far more than one game with Karius, don’t kid yourselves. To go to the very next level we need better in certain areas, namely gk, cb and cm. I fear how the players will bounce back, some will not have it in them anymore and one of them might be our captain. I like him as a player but I think he’ll be done mentally after this, that’s the same with a few others within the squad.

The last thing I’ll say is, as with Rogers after his second season the expectations have risen subconsciously, football is very dangerous nowadays, there’s more at stake and more impatience. Rogers couldn’t go back to mediocrity after coming second in the PL and it costed him his job and rightly so. Now the expectations will have risen, whilst another 4th place finish will suffice next season in keeping klopps job, I fear we might think we’ve hit a ceiling if we don’t achieve certain goals next season I. e actually winning something. If we end up outside the Cl spots and not winning anything next season, is that over for Klopp? Probably not for the owners and most fans but for me it would be. You only have to have some knowledge of football to understand where things are going wrong and how far someone can take you. Next season will be the making of Klopp at Liverpool.

Incredibly proud of lfc to have got to the final, our fans once again proved to be the best in the world. I thought the build up to the game mentally broke us down as it was similar type of pressure to how we build ourselves up for a United game for example. It felt exactly the same, we seemed to pretend to puff our chests out and I think we should have been more tentative, at least then there wouldn’t have been as much pressure and such a hard fall if we would have lost. Now we have to face the world for a few months till next season.


{Ed0333's Note - You sir.

1.) 27 May 2018 01:01:13
So in summary the end is nigh for both us and Klopp? Any other gems you'd like to share with us?

2.) 27 May 2018 01:09:20
You put a lot of work into that but You've lost your head after one result.

Was last season a improvement on the one before. Yes.

Was this an improvement on last season. Yes.

It's a process. Rome wasn't built in day.

Klopp is a fantastic manager and will lead us to great things. There s no magic switch that some people seem to think there is.

Also this klopp final thing is crap. Once we get the squad together we will win one.

3.) 27 May 2018 01:42:41
Can't be having this

Our best player isn't leaving, went out with a whimper? I have absolutely no doubt it will not have a detrimental impact on Klopp or Henderson. As a human being and on a personal I hope Karius doesn't suffer too much.

The whole of your second paragraph is so riddled with nonsense i will just address one. "When Klopp arrived I made the statement that I didn’t think we would get the very top honours with him and so far I think everyone can see why" - everyone cannot see why - we just nearly won the European cup with a squad riddled with injuries.

Don't worry about the players, worry about yourself - there is a team there on the up, full of potential, full of belief instilled by their manager. I don't think any outfield player in my eyes had a bad game given the circumstances after Salah went off and against the calibre of opponent.

I thought the game might have been overwhelming for some of our players but did you not see how we started? "mentally broke us down"? Not in my eyes.

Of course we have the best fans in the world but You sir are not one of them.

4.) 27 May 2018 01:44:48
I’m struggling to see exactly what you are proud of when you are writing the most negative post possible just hours after a defeat that hinged on two things, our best player getting injured and our goalkeeper having a horror show. If this is you showing pride I’d hate to see you running down the team.

5.) 27 May 2018 03:11:02
Under Klopp we’ve gone from not being in the champions league, to getting to the final. That’s big progress. We have made Anfield a fortress.

6.) 27 May 2018 03:17:06
I appreciate your response Davey, I think what I was trying to do was look at the bigger picture which a lot of people don’t like to do. It’s not just one game, I’m looking at klopps whole tenure here and putting it into perspective after arguably the biggest game of his career. I didn’t say that as a result of this, these things will happen, I said if things do not change and we don’t win trophies this will be the mentality of some people within the club. Much like poch at spurs, he’s threatening to leave after being close to winning silverware because maybe he doesn’t feel like he can personally do it at Spurs, with the resources he has there. I think if fortunes do not change for Klopp, he might start thinking the same way. Not in a bitter way but more in accepting defeat. Klopp has taken us forward ten folds since coming in but there’s always a limit, and I reiterate that I think his limit is just short of the major honours (PL and CL) . I haven’t once said it’s the end of Klopp, I definitely want to give him a chance to succeed with us as obvious improvements have been made.

Lemuel your response suggest to me you have difficulty understanding the premise of what I was saying in my original post, so sorry about that I can’t help you there bud.

Tony87, we did go out on a whimper, that was a very ordinary match, Madrid never had a problem winning that match. Yes we were severely handicapped but ask yourself why is it we have so many injuries every season? There’s nothing we could have done about the Salah injury, and our best player going off gave them total belief and total control. Our keeper costed us two goals, that sounds to me like going out with a whimper. That was competitive in the first half and they completely dominated the second. Maybe check the definition of ‘whimper’. Apparently real fans can’t criticise the club they support now, fans like you are the complete opposite side of the spectrum. I’m proud of the club, I never even really mentioned the game in my post but you wanted to highlight that for some reason, maybe you take your frustration out another way, or maybe you just want to see people say ‘I’m proud we got to another final but lost again’. I want to win, I want this club to win, getting second best and saying I’m proud doesn’t always satisfy some fans. We are going forward though that’s about the only thing we’ll see eye to eye on. And yes in my second paragraph I said I don’t see Klopp winning the major honours which is a post I shared on this site before his appointment, and sadly I haven’t been proven wrong. Hopefully next season I will be.

7.) 27 May 2018 04:18:48
After the initial dissapiontment we will take positives that we got so far, we didn't fluke it either, we battered everyone up to the final. We can do it again, I think Hendo is the type of pro who takes positives out of bad results and the team will have experience next time we get deep in the ucl. I think if salah h had stayed on and Karius hadn't m a de the mistakes that we we old have won it.

Next year we will be regarded as one of europes elite again and that confidence will push to a trophy I think.

We will attract good players this summer and if you ask most pundits who will challenge city next year they will say Liverpool.

Of we got this far with this team then with keita, fekir and dembele we have a massive chance.

We don't have an old team, this is not the end of an era, it is merely the beginning of one.

8.) 27 May 2018 04:46:01
I don't get the whole Klopp can't do finals thing at all. Before Salah went off Madrid were struggling big time so the tactics weren't wrong and the players were up for it which is surely the managers job. Then the 1st and 3rd goals can't be blamed on Klopp, unless you maybe say he should've bought a better keeper - one thing I would say to that is that Karius is a good enough keeper to stop those goals, he just had a shocker (not saying that he's good enough long term cos i don't know about that but he's definitely good enough to stop those two goals) . The 2nd goal is just a worldie and I think everyone should just stand and applaud it. The game definitely wasn't a mismatch and Klopp is the right guy to take us forward 100%, so people need to stop saying things without properly thinking.

Also on a different note, Karius had a bit of a shocker but everyone needs to get behind him so that this doesn't affect him long term. He might not be the right goalkeeper for the club but he's still a good lad and doesn't deserve abuse cos he made some mistakes. This night could kill the guys career if people start abusing him and nobody should have to go through that. Maybe he isn't good enough for the highest level, I don't know, but he still deserves everyones respect, kindness and sympathy.

9.) 27 May 2018 07:01:21
Are you not aware that you contradict yourself almost on a sentence by sentence basis? Ask yourself why do we get so many injuries? There was nothing we could have done about the Salah injury.

It is a waste of time going through the rest of your nonsense, obviously you aren't a Klopp fan - who would you prefer?



14 May 2018 15:07:34
Not too sure on Butland, a season or two ago I would have said yes as he would have been good competition for migs and I think at the time he would have eventually ousted migs just like Karius has done. Whilst Karius has improved a lot since coming back, I still think he’s error prone and could easily go back to being inconsistent, the same way migs would always do. Migs would be dropped, then as soon as he comes back he’s excellent for 4-5 games then becomes rubbish again. Karius has had one or two bad games since coming in as number 1 and I think Klopp has decided he’d prefer to improve him rather than get an established world class keeper. I think this is a bold decision and I respect it but it’s a huge risk when you’ve got a goalkeeping coach like John achterburg coaching these players. It’s clear that good goalkeepers have been coming in and not really realising their potential. I feel like if a Karius/ Butland combination took us to the next level Klopp would be rightfully branded a genius and recruitment would have taken a complete u-turn on what it was 2 seasons ago. But does a Karius/ Butland combo take you to a title, or even a title challenge? I’m not so sure. Of course people will point to the CL but I’m sure any educated football fan would know CL is a knockout competition and the league is 38 games. I think improving the defence on top of the improvements that have already been made will go some way to outweighing a risky Goalkeeping duo.

I’m by no means slating Butland or Karius, I think Karius has been a revelation and tbh I’d find it hard bringing in someone to take the spot from him but I feel like if we’re to challenge for the title within the next couple of seasons whilst Klopp is still here, do we wait and see if Karius takes us to the next level like we did with migs or do we go and get that GK outright.


1.) 14 May 2018 19:06:22
Kman92, I agree with your post, globally. I think Klopp has chosen Karius as the no. 1 going forward and is now looking for a no. 2 to either challenge him or improve him. Now, if that is the case why are we bringing in a similarly young, GK (esp. English) to come in and be his no. 2 whereas he may think Karius is not better than him? That is a GK controversy brewing right there and we are asking for it should Butland come.

Imagine a game where Karius makes a mistake (nothing wrong w/ that cos GK' make mistakes so nothing new here), can you imagine the media slating him and putting pressure on Klopp to put Butland in? I can. Why would anyone with a functioning brain, want that to happen? This is what makes this whole thing so strange cos it makes NO sense.

If we want Karius to grow, we need an older GK to mentor him rather than some young guy who thinks he's better than him, one who is English media loves and won't hesitate to "campaign" for him to start. I think Karius is a very talented, competent (Ed01's assessment) GK and if we want him to grow, Butland coming in would be a circus show, altogether, IMO.

{Ed025's Note - but it will keep karius on his toes brover and that is a good thing, familiarity breeds contempt and if karius believes there is no threat to his position then as sure as eggs is eggs his performance will drop, competition for places has and always will be a good thing mate..

2.) 14 May 2018 20:17:38
I agree with you on a good day, Ed25. However, I am not worried about what goes on on the pitch. I am worried of the media kicking up a stink in the scenario I mentioned. I may be wrong BUT what I am saying is not some kind of alternate reality. This could and IMO, will happen except we wanna believe that Karius will NOT make a mistake all next season which is not true.

{Ed025's Note - all keepers make mistakes brover, its how they deal with it that counts mate..




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07 Jun 2018 22:40:23
At Melwood? Isn’t he flying out with the rest of the France squad tomo or Saturday.




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01 Jun 2018 00:55:44
Well if we’re getting one of Fekir or dembele then fair enough but both would definitely suggest Salah is on his way. I hope not but I wouldn’t be surprised, this feels like the same type of scenerio after the 13-14 season, just the buys are way better lol.




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22 May 2018 17:23:39
Not the type of midfielder we need and definitely need more quality than him if we are to push to the next level.




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18 May 2018 02:33:55
I agree with den, unless it’s a loan move for dembele then it could mean one of Salah or mane leaving and we know which is more likely. So the verdict is out on that but if it’s as an addition to the current squad then that would be awesome, even if it’s on loan. I just hope he isn’t a much ado about nothing type signing, he’s obviously got massive talent let’s see if he would realise it here.

Fekir will be the player I’d like us to pull off the most on that list, he’ll be relatively expensive and Lyon, as others have said, are notoriously hard to deal with but he would be a huge addition to the squad. He’s hard working, skillfull, fast and built for a counter attacking team. Only thing that could be a concern is his attitude but we said the same about mane and they were put to bed. I think in a team where he isn’t the star man he won’t have the attitude problem, I hope anyway.

Ceballos is quite underwhelming, considering this is quite a problem area for us, I’ve seen him a few times for Madrid and it’s clear he’s well out of his depth. Maybe it’s a case of not getting enough game time or the right oppertunities/ positions but I don’t think he’s the sitting midfielder we need. With can going, I thought this was a good chance to bring a midfielder with real denfensive capabilities and mindset, someone for the games where we need a clever head in there and I don’t think that’s ceballos. If we do get him I hope as with all transfers that I doubt, that I’m proven wrong.

Tarkowski I’m not sure about, I think like the others have said, he fits a certain system and I don’t think he’d fit too well in our attacking system being so used to a defensive one. Van Dijk needs a certain type of partner but there’s a whole host of names I’d put ahead of Tarkowski that would be better and cheaper. Again I hope Klopp proves me wrong

Butland only makes sense as a replacement for migs and Ward but nothing more. He could get back on track and really push to be the goalkeeper he once promised to be but with our Goalkeeping set up I really can’t see that happening. I think goalkeeper might end up being an issue for us at some point next season as it has for some years now. Karius has really pushed on but maybe I’m being overly critical in saying I’m not too convinced by him yet.

I think with some of these additions and Keita coming in we could challenge for the league next season. The area I’d really go above and beyond over out of the names mentioned by macca is a solid Cb partner for Van Dijk, I think with that, we would be able to counteract the need for a genuine sitting/ defensive midfielder. And go a long way to solving our defensive issues finally. Very excited for this summer.




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30 Apr 2018 19:43:04
So he’s not injured then is he lol. Good riddence.


{Ed001's Note - don't talk soft, what does this have to do with injury?}




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18 Jul 2018 19:02:05
The situation that he’s been klopps right hand man for the majority of his managerial career and has had huge success with him and pep lijnders is a rather untried and untested coach that did fair too well in his first managerial venture. I think there’s still a Buvac replacement required and one that is as good or better otherwise I fear there’s a hole there that can be very detrimental next season.




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10 Jun 2018 21:29:15
I rate his ability but his attitude genuinely stinks. He’ll have to realise where he’s at and know his role if he was to move here. We definitely need the back up to our front 3 and he is a viable option. If he sorts out his attitude I think he could be a good player for us and for the price it makes sense. I just hope this is unrelated to Fekir and that we either go back in for him or another player for that position.




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09 Jun 2018 21:03:37
If we go for lemar after trying to reduce the fee for Fekir, We’ll be even more of a meme than we already are.




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08 Jun 2018 16:02:19
I’d list the deadwood players as: Adam Lallana, Lazar Markovic, simon Mignolet (unless a keeper isn’t brought in), Danny Ward (again depending on the goalkeeping situation), Daniel sturridge, Danny ings, Emre Can, marko grujic, Adam Bogdan and probably some loans moves for the youngsters.

Whether or not they all get moved on or not is another question but I’d say they all need to move either on loan or permanently as it’s the best thing for their careers and the club.

I think CB is seen as the least priority behind the positions we’ve already bolstered and GK so if we’re realistically going for a top class keeper that’s going to cost a fortune I don’t think we should be expecting a top CB to come in unless we were to move on one of our assets.




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08 Jun 2018 03:32:00
Anyone who has properly watched Shaqiri play more than just a couple times will see the lads got a lot of quality and shouldn’t have been at a club like stoke. His attitude is what made his career stall and why the majority of people doubt this transfer. I think he’s a more established player than our other options (Moses Simon specifically) but I do have my reservations on how he’d handle being a squad player rather than in the first 11. One other thing that bothers me is that he’s left footed and plays mainly on the RW which is where Salah plays, I think Salah is the more consistent out of mane and him so if anyone was ever to get ‘dropped’ wouldn’t it be mane? And we all knows left footed players that cut in don’t do well on the left side. So in other words he offers less flexibility that a signing like Moses Simon would.