01 Oct 2023 07:36:27



Seano_ has written an article entitled, Here We VAR Again

1.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 08:44:35
The league is over in my eyes. If you’re taking away legitimate goals from one side they cannot compete fair.
You’re removing players. Taking off goals. Giving one side every single decision.

It’s not a game anymore it’s just scripted entertainment.

Fans should get their money back at least. If they’ve manipulated the outcome of even One fixture, then the rest of our season from now on is Void.

Corruption has intervened and changed the course of our whole premier league campaign.

2.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 08:58:28
I don't buy into "corruption". Totally inept officialdom, yes, but not corrupt, in my opinion. For who's gain?

{Ed025's Note - fot rhe root of all evil Rome...greed and money, betting cindicates run by criminals mate, the amount of money in football betting is astronomical and its a billon dollar industry, you can bet on almost anything in a game, corners, cards, tackles, sendings off, times of goals etc, spot fixing in cricket became an epidemic and massive money was made and players banned for taking bribes, so why would you think a sport 100 times as big would not be corrupt?...i suppose you could ask the tooth fairy or the Easter bunny.. :)

3.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 09:27:37
Truly an awful officiating performance. This is what the 4th or 5th red card already - for a team that is usually top of the fair performance league?

I slept on it, watched MOTD this morning and it just gets worse - even the pundits think it was an abysmal show from the officials. But honestly, what will happen? There will be no 'review', no investigation, no sanctions given. The worse will be what, the officials are stood down for a week's games - that'll solve things sure

I mean honestly though lads, there is something every week with the officiating in one match or another and for every team in the league - weirdly apart from City lol, even Utd have had a couple of questionable calls given though have usually benefitted from such calls - but this match has to be the worst I have ever even heard of, it just gets worse every time you look at it. To break it down like you Seano:

1. The red card. Honestly a bad tackle but went over the wet ball, yes a bad contact but no intent and didn't follow through with a lunge like we have seen in this type of tackle. Yet when the ref is sent to look at it all they show him is a still of the contact? What, no slow motion replays of multiple angles? Just a still of the contact - bias much? Sounds like VAR had already made the decision doesn't it? Will anyone ask why? I very much doubt it

2. The goal - clearly onside. The excuse now given is laughable - you mean the VAR thought the onfield call was a goal and what just let them set up for a Spurs freekick and didn't think to intervene and ask wtf are you doing, it was a goal in the 30-40 seconds all that took? Pure idiocy involved here. Also, the passage of play happened right in front of the linesman, why does he flag anyway? Will any questions be asked here? Again the why or what are you doing would be nice but I doubt it.

3. The Jota red: I mean the second yellow was a fair yellow, no bother at all. The first though? Never a card, not Jotas fault at all. Bizarrely the Spurs player basically trips himself over then gestures to the ref to book Jota. Now this is very confusing, the rule was that players were to be booked for these antics - he was on a yellow card so this should have been a second and it would have been 10 v 10 - yet, for some unknown reason, the ref disregarded this rule and booked Jota instead and, for good measure, sent him off then a minute later? Ah. so many questions that should be, but won't, be asked on that one

4. The Gomez incident - looked very like the VVD one against Newcastle. Nobody in the VAR room thought 'you know what, you might want to look at this - we set a precedent with this with VVD against Newcastle so for consistency sake it is worth reviewing' - what no? Awk I couldn't be annoyed, I'm sure it's grand?

Overall in the interview you could sense Klopp's frustrations - I mean, like he said if they complain they get fined. How ridiculous is that? Awk we know our officiating is abysmal and we change the rules from week to week but anybody that complains will be fined? Honestly ridiculous - how about you actually conduct one of these 'internal reviews' you mention a lot and stop these errors being made?

4.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 09:37:33
Ed025. You are correct, without doubt.

5.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 09:44:15
Well said 25 although I do alo believe all roads lead to city.

6.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 10:28:52
Just to add to the tirade, one thing I also don’t understand is the hypocrisy between the Maca red card earlier this season and the Curtis red card.

If I remember correctly, for the Macallister red while it was never a red, VAR didn’t intervene because it wasn’t a “clear and obvious mistake”. But for Curtis Jones, VAR believes it’s clear and obviously a red to overturn the refs decision?

7.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 12:44:51
Klopping, you're talking about the "clear and obvious" schtick again. I propose we stop bringing that up cos it means sweet nothing in terms of logic and common sense. It is a terminiology created to protect the ref's incompetence. Im not saying that. Mike Dean already snitched. This one's over.

8.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 12:50:08
Doesn't matter whether it's because of City or any other team. Every team will have their complaints. The job of the referees and the competent authorities above them is to ensure respect of the rules, and fairness in all aspects of the sport. They're failing and doing it with considerable incompetence and bias. And it shouldn't be allowed to stand.

It's a multi billion dollar sport now. And every little thing has huge financial conséquences. To me that's why all this is happening. Time for serious investigations. Let it take a decade if necessary, but you'll see considerable changes immediately, the moment the PGMOL, and that band of incompetent referees, sees they're under careful scrutiny and every little thing is being watched and analyzed.

9.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 13:35:07
ArAy1969 to further support your point, I think managers and fans of all PL clubs led by those of the top6 teams, should march hand in hand to the PGMOL offices and demand accountability, transparency and honesty regarding the absolute and relentless incompetence, bias and border line corruption being witnessed in the PL going back the past several season esp. this season. They should demand internal investigations and demand the incompetent refs be weeded out and get new ones in. Also, the practice of any ref being able to go ref in another country and get paid a ton of dough should be IMMEDIATELY scrapped.

I bet you if that happened, the PGMOL would sit up and take notice and get their house in order and clean up shop. If people had all that chest to protest the SUper League then they should have enuff
chest to actually do what is required to keep our game that we love alive.

Alas, Im afraid that will not happen cos certain people in the establishment and certain fans of "certain clubs" are not bothered with the way things are so there you go.

10.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 14:01:45
Klopping I agree 100% - it’s just a joke that VAR intervened on the Curtis decision which was clearly always going to be a subjective call (based on intent, whether he got the ball, level of force/ danger etc. ), and does so by showing a freeze frame of the worst possible moment, rather than the action itself? That was clearly a case of one ref overruling another….

But then they choose not to intervene on a black and white question of offsides, which was so clearly wrong? I don’t buy the ‘we made a mistake due to lack of focus’ response. TWO people in the VAR room and neither realizes that they’re checking for a goal or not? Even if there’s a misunderstanding on the language used, neither thinks to question why they’re setting up for a goal kick?

That’s not mere incompetence, that warrants an investigation into how the VAR system is being implemented and failing so badly, and for the last situation, possibly an investigation into potential corruption.

11.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 18:29:17
Oli, you shouldn't under estimate the power of just one voice, let alone a mass of people. If the right arguments are put forward and you do it with dogged determination (like you're not going away until some meaningful and impartial investigation is conducted) then most of the time it happens.

It's become a very serious issue for this League. Refereeing and the assocated systems (VAR) are under constant attack. Clubs playing with the books to sidestep FPF and gain unfair advantages. This is existential stuff. What are people waiting for? For it to become the size of what we saw in Italy a decade ago? How much damage did that cause? Huge amounts and probably not fully recovered from it yet.

{Ed002's Note - You are seeing issues that don’t exist. This is not Liverpool’s Rosa Park moment.}

12.) 01 Oct 2023
01 Oct 2023 21:02:08
Ed02, I wouldn't compare whatever is happening on a football pitch, to anything remotely related to Rosa Parks BUT that's just me.