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24 Oct 2019 08:30:06
I love Hendos energy, but he's not playing as good this season that's clear to see. Has the ox just took his position for now?


1.) 24 Oct 2019 10:42:36
Ffs 17 wins on the trot and 1 draw and the knives are out, hendo and gini will start against spurs,

2.) 24 Oct 2019 12:11:41
without the knives but don't you think Oxlade earned a starting spot?

3.) 24 Oct 2019 12:19:18
I don't think so yet FC8. It's reassuring to know that Ox and Keita can step in though. It really depends on the opposition and the matchups whether or not Keita or Ox will supplant Gini or Hendo.

4.) 24 Oct 2019 12:41:26
Ox might not be at a stage yet where he can handle a prolonged run of games. He has still only had about 180 minutes or so of competitive football since his injury.

Would much rather see him managed well in terms of recovery and hopefully be a big asset come the turn of the year.

Im sure the medical department already have their plan of how much game time he can take.

He definately does add something different than other players in the current squad. Needs a lot more games under his belt to be fully up to speed though.

Cant see him starting against spurs but id say a start in the arsenal game is nailed on.

5.) 24 Oct 2019 13:11:16
if we want to take another step this year and achieve the ultimate, it's essential that both oxlade-chamberlain and keita step their games up, become regulars in the midfield rotation, and provide a technical advantage that other players can't provide. we'll encounter a lot of different looks and strategies throughout the year, and it's important to have guys in the side that give us versatility to not only answer those challenges, but overcome them and throw things back at other squads that they themselves don't have answers for. ox having a strong game shouldn't lead to the suggestion that it's time for a "slumping" henderson to be replaced by him. we need them both, just as we need all of these guys, to continue to be part of a strong unit that is very difficult to be beaten by any side in the world on any day of the year.

6.) 24 Oct 2019 13:32:59
but how do you keep people happy on the bench if they just stay on the bench even if they perform? also i fail to see how 2 games in a row is a "prolonged run of games"

doing good coming off the bench or when playing with a rotated starting 11 should be rewarded with more gametime imo.

I like both Gini and Hendo but i really hope Ox and Keita gets more real chances, not just when rotating and 10minutes in the end of matches.

7.) 24 Oct 2019 14:02:42
> but how do you keep people happy on the bench if they just stay on the bench even if they perform?
Because they know its a long season with a lot of games and they will have their chances . Klopp decides which player to use pending fitness and opposition, yesterday Ox did very well because Genk gave him the time and space he needs, which is not easy in the PL, also if you watch back, he hardly pressed, which is needed for our game in the premier league.

8.) 24 Oct 2019 17:19:25
I hope starts to really kick on, he’s the one that gets into positions and receive the ball in offensive areas that are tight. This give us so much more from an attacking perspective.

9.) 24 Oct 2019 18:01:00
Ox that is 😂😂.

10.) 24 Oct 2019 18:44:57
It's not that black and white though. Ox opens our midfield up by being so offensive, whereas Hendo doesn't open up the opposition. catch 22 formation?

11.) 24 Oct 2019 19:04:32
We really have a fascinating fetish for wanting to drop Hendo out of the team. Apart possibly from Matip, I don't think any player's position is talked about as much. Yet he keeps coming back and justifying his place.

That said, Ox deserves to start against Spurs, imo. And I think Klopp subbed him because he wants that option. Had he no intention of starting him against Spurs, he'd have probably left him on for the full 90 against Genk.

I wouldn't start Ox and Keita though, I think it'll leave us too open. Given that Fabinho should be an automatic choice at DM, there's then a space for Gini, Milner or Hendo even with Ox starting. I see merits in picking any of them.

12.) 24 Oct 2019 20:23:50
I think there's an equal argument for Keita to start as much as Ox, if you are going to base an opinion on just the last game against Genk. Keita had more passes, more dribbles and more tackles than anyone else. Yes sure, it was only Genk, but there you go. How can you successfully argue that Ox would be great against Spurs but Keita wouldn't be?

The wise thing is to do what Klopp is doing. Stick with the players that got you to the top level you are at. Tinker from time to time according to the kind of team and style being faced, and make timely substitutions during games to gain what someone on the bench can offer.

I really couldn't care a damn what a player thinks if he's not starting and sitting on the bench. It's a 25 player squad that attacks each game, not just the 11 on the field. The team, and the wins, come first.

13.) 24 Oct 2019 21:15:29
The problem is playing two holding midfielders against the back 5 / 'low-block'. I would have been happy v Utd if the shackles were off Hendo to bomb forward, late runs into the box etc to give an extra attacking option. But he doesn't seem to do that. There's no need to be so defensive against teams that defend. Fabinho can hold his own.

14.) 25 Oct 2019 02:25:00
It's about finding the right balance with consideration for the oppositions style too. Keita and ox certainly add that offensive aggression but they also left our midfield open and back 4 exposed at times. I think gini and fabinho start but I also think much might depend on wether Trent can play or if Gomez slots in to RB. I think klopp would want Henderson on that side if Trent was involved but if Gomez starts maybe OX or keita could get picked as Gomez wouldn't need as much protection with his recovery pace and lack of instruction to get too advanced as Trent does.

Either way it's great to see the depth and variation of klopps midfield options, having 2 or 3 midfielders with the ability to be starters available on the bench can let klopp change the approach hugely if needed in a game.

15.) 25 Oct 2019 10:08:35
Ox will be good for some games, hendo for others . . .

16.) 27 Oct 2019 12:43:46
The ox has definitely given klopp something to think about. It was only genk though. I'd bring him on at 60 minutes. Open the tired defence.



29 Dec 2018 21:30:39
5:1 against Arsenal. Do you know what's scary. We actually played at about 60%. We've got another gear or two!


1.) 30 Dec 2018 00:07:46
We got a bit of luck, the bobbled goal came at the perfect time, and very soft pen on Lovren. But if I was an arsenal fan I’d be furious. Koscienly has stolen a living for years now, can’t believe they still play him! He makes Matip look keen. He walks back to the goal after getting beaten. Mustafi is just as bad, I swear he went off ‘injured’ the last time we put a few past them. If it gets tough he gets going. They are awful at the back, other teams just know they can have a go and put them under pressure and they can get something. Hopefully people know see that with city!

2.) 30 Dec 2018 03:33:17
Would ya stop firmane, there was only one team that was going to win when arsenal went one up. Unbelievable performance.

3.) 30 Dec 2018 04:01:09
What a day lads. city next.




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21 Sep 2019 09:16:17
Over the years when we've Loaned out players it's seemed a massive waste of time. But the Harry Wilson moves looks a great one at the moment!


1.) 21 Sep 2019 12:33:40
It’s seems an interesting one he seems to still be scoring regularly in the prem, however from what I have heard his overall input into the game still needs some work on.

Needs to work harder and no go missing for long periods of the game. Demand the ball, dictate the play.

Anyways well done to the lad!

{Ed001's Note - well done? If he doesn't do more then he doesn't deserve to be congratulated. Laziness should not be celebrated. Playing well below the level you are capable of should not receive applause.}

2.) 21 Sep 2019 20:02:27
Whichever way you look at it, I don't think he's suitable to the way we play and what Klopp wants out of the midfielders. I doubt very much we'll see him in LFC shirt. I think this loan was a pure financial play. Build up the kid some more, hope he does well elsewhere with some key goals, and then ask for the 20 Million next summer when they come calling again.

3.) 21 Sep 2019 21:22:08
I meant for the goal Ed!

{Ed001's Note - I would still not congratulate him, he needs to do more to earn that.}

4.) 21 Sep 2019 23:05:16
Ed001's Note - I would still not congratulate him, he needs to do more to earn that
You are very harsh, very high standards . feel sorry for your kids (if you have any :)

{Ed001's Note - but he is not one of my kids, he is a professional footballer who is wasting his talent. Hardly high standards to expect him to put in an effort and break sweat on the pitch. You have clearly got ridiculously low standards if you think he is earning the obscene money he gets paid to play a game we would all happily play for free.}

5.) 22 Sep 2019 03:56:02
I think it's telling that he's often subbed off early. The other night Southampton were getting in more and more control after HT and Wilson had to be taken off as he was anonymous in his midfield duties out of possession.

Up until last year his career was predominantly as a star man u23 player but he now needs to show that he can offer more to his team. Technically talented players don't last too long in the starting 11 of premier league teams if they are unable to give more than just moments of class on the ball. The right manager might be able to help him improve in this area of his game, but I'm not so sure Eddie Howe is great in that department.

6.) 22 Sep 2019 09:04:05
To look on the positive side, his output is very good for a guy playing below himself.

But, yes, I am sure Klopp and co are looking for other parts of his game as indicators whether to keep him or not.

7.) 22 Sep 2019 12:47:30
JK23, buddy, want to step outside for a minute so we can discuss your hilarious sense of humour, LOL? Or maybe we can address it in the live chat tonight. 😉.

8.) 22 Sep 2019 14:01:26
What it comes down to is that he is not as talented as Shaqiri and even Xherdan can't get time on the pitch. Wilson will likely come back in to replace Shaq who will want to leave due to lack of game time.

9.) 22 Sep 2019 16:09:19
I was reading a tweet from a Bournemouth supporter who, whilst appreciated his goal return, was quite critical of his work rate.
If he can work hard at Bournemouth then he will never make it into a Klopp first XI.

10.) 22 Sep 2019 16:19:35
I watched the game and he was terrible. If there was a 50/ 50 to go for, he backed away and left it for a team mate every time.

I really hope he notches up plenty of goals this season and his work rate doesn't get highlighted too much in the media, or it will affect his value.

We need to take the highest bid next time anyone wants to sign him permanently.

{Ed001's Note - finally someone sees it!}



05 Aug 2019 09:01:37
Salah looked brilliant yesterday seen as he's only played about an hour pre season. I've got a feeling he's going to bag more than last year them injury worries seem to have vanished now. Rusty in front of goal yesterday but it's coming!


1.) 05 Aug 2019 11:50:04
Mo's finishing has always been inconsistent. He is extremely consistent at getting himself into dangerous positions however and because of that he will always get a lot of goals.



03 Aug 2019 20:00:10
I've just seen Mbappe on the back of horse trotting down past the Arkells pub, he was wearing a Liverpool shirt and it read "positive Walter" number 9 on his back 👀.




27 Jul 2019 21:45:09
When we won the final, there were immediate reports Liverpool were set to offer Klopp a new contract and all that. I mean this was everywhere, so you'd like to believe it was true. But the other day Klopp said it's not the time to be thinking about contracts etc. he didn't turn it down did he?


1.) 27 Jul 2019 22:17:00
His current contract has 3 years left which will take him to 7 years at the club.

He spent 7 years at Mainz. 7 years at Dortmund. It's not an unrealistic scenario that he will simply take another sabbatical at the end of his current contract. He's an intense guy. Maybe he won't commit to longer because in the past he's needed a break or maybe he only ever planned to stay 7 years.

Either way, who cares. That's 3 more shots at the title before we need to worry about him actually leaving. Klopp wants to focus on the present and I can't knock that.

2.) 27 Jul 2019 22:18:10
This has been reported a lot over the last few weeks, he still has what 3 years? Remaining on his current contract and he’s happy with what he’s got. He’s under no pressure to sign a new one any time soon and I think more importantly from his perspective is getting the players to sign new contracts so he isn’t worried at all about his own.



10 Jul 2019 20:06:24
pre season begins tomorrow for the European Champions. I hope we bring at least one player in to compete with the first team, I just think with everyone else spending, standing still probably isn't a good idea.


1.) 10 Jul 2019 20:20:30
We will sign players.

2.) 10 Jul 2019 20:52:28
How is not spending any money standing still? We have a number of players that barely played last season for various reasons and a bunch of kids who get a chance to show what they can do. We will be better than last season even if we do nothing in the transfer market.

3.) 10 Jul 2019 21:20:16
Exactly Thunderbird. We're still bedding in Keita, the Ox has to come back and we're hoping Brewster can make the next step up. Combine that with natural improvement across a fairly young squad and we're in great shape.

I'd like a signing, but the notion that we're "standing still" if we don't is ridiculous. The club will buy a player if they see value, its what they've done the last couple years and they have a great record. Buying for the sake of it often means you're not financially ready to commit when a better player comes along.

4.) 11 Jul 2019 00:25:52
We only have to look at history to see not spending is standing still. You cannot bring kids through and expect to win anything with them. Even if they are highly rated and will be as back up or but parts. You ask Alan Hansen.

5.) 11 Jul 2019 00:26:14
If you think not buying anyone isn't standing still then your deluded and an FSG apologist.

6.) 11 Jul 2019 04:19:47
Now that the club aren't buying anyone, yet, its FSG to blame?

I wonder how much more they need to do.

Eamon's point is spot-on. I believe the club do want a few more, maybe they aren't available? So what else the club can do? Drag them into the club?

7.) 11 Jul 2019 07:32:31
Didn't take long for the "FSG apologist" rubbish to reappear. And all because the manager won't sign anyone. Idiots.

8.) 11 Jul 2019 08:20:58
good to see you back Waro, shame to see you're still spouting on about FSG.

9.) 11 Jul 2019 09:38:34
Waro, spurs didn't spend a penny last season and they made it to the champions league final . Their best achievement ever.

10.) 11 Jul 2019 09:31:22
Hundreds of millions spent and a champions league won and 'fans' still throw around terms like "FSG apologist". If you can't grasp how a team can improve without spending then you should google the term "coaching" and "football basics", you're in for a fun surprise.

If the club see value they'll buy. If not, they won't. Thank god internet 'fans' aren't on the transfer committee, we'd be in administration.

11.) 11 Jul 2019 10:30:51
You always look to improve the team even when you are on top, that is how you stay there. If you don't then you are standing still as your rivals invest to catch you up.
The transfer window is not closed yet anyway but I am sure Liverpool are working discreetly to sign the players Klopp wants.
Waro takes some criticism on here but he is absolutely right about investing in the squad to keep improving. Not sure I agree with his FSG apologist comment though, maybe he can elaborate further.

12.) 11 Jul 2019 11:46:42
The fact that Spurs fluked their way to the Final after losing 20 games last season cannot justify spending no money.
We have one left back, no cover for the front three, and we miss a creative midfielder. This is the best team we've had in years, and the best position financially, don't stand still and wait for Salah to leave next season end up going back 5 years like when Suarez left.

13.) 11 Jul 2019 14:34:58
Absolute rubbish being spouted on here. The window is not shut yet. Nobody knows who the club are trying to sign. Same as last May nobody knew a thing about Fabinho until it was done. If on the 10th of August there's still no signings then start your whining.

14.) 11 Jul 2019 15:29:24
I've said what I think of FSG multiple times on here greenflash and it just causes headaches for people so I won't go into it again, you've seen the reaction to the small comment I made above, you cannot criticise or challenge anything to do with Liverpool because they're all vying for the role of number one fan, I mean someone just said hundreds of millions spent and again don't balance that comment with hundreds of millions that were taken in meaning those millions could be spent.

I'll try and break this down into logic. If team A wins the league from team B because of a better and bigger squad depth, and also win two other trophies you would say team A was better than team B? Fast forward to the next season team A buy more quality to add to a fantastic squad they already have (possibly 3 quality signings) and team B go with what they have meaning team A's squad depth is now even bigger and better than team B's, what would that say using logic about the destination of the title the following season? Dissect all the other nonsense you may want to spout about coaching etc. and just use basic logic, you cannot and will not finish above team A thinking logically.

15.) 11 Jul 2019 20:01:20
I agree with much of what you say Waro, but the right players must be available as buying for the sake of it is a mistake. Furthermore, nobody should ever use Spurs Champions league final place as a shining example of why Liverpool do not need to invest in the squad. Spurs have gone backwards.




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27 Oct 2019 20:14:08
Mbappe is Done. But I think we might need to sell Sadio Mane if we want Roger Federer.




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03 Oct 2019 16:42:01
Sign that Minamino from the game last night. What a player!




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10 Aug 2019 21:51:36
They are the worst ones, where it looks like he's done f all but goes off injured. Gutted because I'm going Turkey I was confident of smashing Chelsea, have to have a look at them tomorrow against those lot.




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21 Jul 2019 15:47:12
I wouldn't swap our full backs for primed Cafu and Carlos.




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08 Jul 2019 13:17:59
Keita struggled at times last season, Injuries didn't help and he's not really had a run of games does anyone know when he's fit, and if he's in the pre season set up?





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17 Nov 2019 19:25:16
The problem is when one of the front 3 is missing, we rotate the other 2 and all the system is messed up.
Say if Firmino is missing, we should just put origi upfront. Instead we move Salah through the middle, Mane swaps sides, and Divok is left out wide looking like a lost man.
When one is missing it then feels like they're all missing.


{Ed002's Note - Once Klopp goes maybe the new coach will fix this problem for you.}



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17 Nov 2019 15:06:11
Palace away is no easy game, we'll struggle if we're not at it.




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12 Nov 2019 06:23:27
If anyone can go on a 4 month winning run it's Them! Nothing is over against that City team, we were incredible to smash such a great side.




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10 Nov 2019 11:50:04
Out of those fixtures I've got my eye on Brendan to snatch a few points off city.




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08 Nov 2019 14:02:17
There's only 4 Man City fans though mate. The Gallagher brothers, Ricky Hatton and Martin Atkinson.