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27 May 2018 13:36:43
Absolutely gutted for the boys - not for the result but for the manner of it. I was really hoping for some beautiful attacking play worthy of our run to the final, but while the first 30mins promised much, the way Salah was dragged down and injured, and the way we played so poorly after he left, and watching Karius crumble on the big stage was devastating.

I sincerely hope the whole team can pick themselves up from this, as we seem to be on the brink of something truly special. The biggest disaster of all would be if we let something like this impact the momentum going into next season.

Now for some home truths

- I've always felt the gap between our front three and the rest was ridiculously big. So it proved last night, not just in talent but also in style. Our game relies on Firmino dropping deeper to act as playmaker and to create space, with a pair of wide attackers able to use their pace and movement to take advantage, get into the box and score. We clearly don't have anyone else in the squad able to do that apart from Mane and Salah, and with only one of them on the pitch the opposition can shut us down all to easily. We need a top top wide attacking forward in the transfer window to allow us to remain a threat if any of the front three are injured/ need a rest. It's critical. RM must have been laughing when we took off Salah and brought on Lallana. They knew we wouldn't be nearly as dangerous.

- I've been proud of Gini and Milner individually this season, they've given everything, but it is also clear that they both need the front three to click or we look toothless. Without Mane, Salah and Firmino on fire, our midfield is exposed for what it is - workmanlike. We need someone able to pick the game up and create danger if the front three are struggling, and hopefully Keita is that player. Kroos and Modric schooled us once Salah went off and we can't let that happen again.

- GK. I've been one of Karius's backers, mostly because Mig's was clearly not the answer, but I think Karius will take time to get over this, and the team will need time to trust him again. I think it's critical after the final that we go all out for the best GK we can get to start next season. Karius may come back, and I hope for his own sake he grows to live this down and succeeds in the long run, but unfortunately we can't go into next season with him as our no.1, there's too much at stake

- Finally, I think Klopp missed a trick. It was clear going into half time we were struggling with Lallana out wide. I think he needed to shake it up and put Ings or Solanke on earlier and dropped Firmino into the 10, with Lallana in midfield. We should have realised we lacked any threat, trusted our FB's to push up to create the width and pace instead and really gone for them but that's always easy to say in hindsight.

I hope above all we get over this performance and learn, continue to grow and strengthen the squad. We've had some incredible memories from this season and we can do better still if we don't let this get to us.

YNWA lads. Thanks for a wonderful season and here's to the next.

SGRed

1.) 27 May 2018 14:53:04
ings wasnt on the bench so you can expect klopp to put him on really can ya.


2.) 27 May 2018 16:55:41
I don't have qualms with lallan being brought on, throwing an inexperienced player into a game like that would be hard. I think we should have matched their diamond and played firmino and mane up top. We know they'll roam around anyway.


3.) 27 May 2018 17:08:03
I don’t think Ings was in the CL squad 😄.


4.) 27 May 2018 18:17:24
Win as a team, lose as a team. Don't care what the results is they are my team and I am proud they made it to the final. "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win. ". -Bill Shankly.


5.) 28 May 2018 01:07:30
My bad - of course Ings wasn’t an option, i guess the point was, we didn’t have another wide forward that Klopp could replace Salah with, we were forced to changed our system and we went from being on top to being under pressure the rest of the match.


6.) 28 May 2018 07:10:17
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Reality is Klopp watches his players daily and is in a better position to judge. We lost, we will recover and hopefully use this as a great catalyst to go again. Onwards and upwards.


7.) 28 May 2018 08:57:25
Inexperienced players - Trent alexander and Robinson were pretty inexperienced.


8.) 28 May 2018 10:08:10
Woodburn should've been given a spot on the bench and would've been a better option than Lallana. He's the kind of player who can come off the bench and produce a bit of magic, like on his Wales debut for example. The fact we had 3 defenders and 2 midfielders on the bench certainly didn't help. I still don't think Klopp did all he could've to get back into the game, waiting until the 83rd minute and then bringing on Can was pretty pointless. If you need a goal, bring on a striker for dog's sake. Or even Moreno could've had more of an impact, and of the options that were on the bench I'd actually have brought him on to play inside-left instead of Lallana.


9.) 28 May 2018 10:45:30
I would personally have put on Solanke and played Firmino more as a 10 but everyone’s a genius with the benefit of hindsight.


10.) 28 May 2018 15:19:41
Yeah SGRed that would've been worth a shot as well, and of course hindsight is 20/ 20 but my main point is that Klopp did nothing at all. Seemed like he was as stunned as the players were by the combination of the three shocking moments, but that is exactly when you need a manager with a cool head to put any kind of plan in place to try and save the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Klopp, but it's a definite weakness of his.


11.) 28 May 2018 23:34:44
Agree Jurgen Meister. Kloppo gets his subs wrong often when we're losing.

First of all, Ings should've been on that bench as the most like-for-like for the front 3. Of course, not in quality but at least in mobility and versatility. He would've been my choice when Salah webt off injured. We needed to keep the width and stretch them.

Even when we went 2-1 down I would've brought Clyne on at RB and pushed TAA forward. Take Milner off as his legs were done and slot Lallana in the middle. Lallana always struggles playing wide.

Oh well, game is done and I'm not a coach lol.

{Ed0333's Note - so glad your not our coach Greg.


 

 

 

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08 Mar 2020 03:15:36
Hats off to the lads to come back and get the win - Milner showed us exactly what we were missing with Hendo out. Leadership, grit and desire.

Let's hope Hendo is back for Atletico but if not I wouldn't mind seeing Milner in midfield.

SGRed

 

 

31 Dec 2019 10:11:15
I like the concept of the VAR being used 'less forensically' for offside calls, but what do they want the officials to do, and how does working 'less forensically' work exactly? Supporters will be going nuts if it looks like it is offside but the VAR Ref doesn't rule it out because it's a close call. and 'less forensic will clearly be a very subjective topic.

One option would be to let VAR Ref measure for offsides as usual but to simply use a thick line of say 40cms width for each payer and if there is an overlap then it is considered too close to call and original decision stands, but no overlap = at least a 40cms wrong decision and therefore a 'clear and obvious error' and decision is overturned. That will allow the system to incorporate a margin for error without asking the VAR refs to be 'less forensic' which is extremely difficult to explain to supporters and far too open for subjectivity.

SGRed

1.) 31 Dec 2019 10:17:45
Why all the furor.


2.) 31 Dec 2019 10:20:14
VAR was agreed by the clubs and there is absolutely no doubt that it has improved the accuracy of refereeing decisions. There are always people who will hark back to "the good old.

{Ed025's Note - really RP you think it has improved?, its created chaos for me mate and should be suspended until they sort it out..


3.) 31 Dec 2019 10:22:00
The way I see it from what I've read is it's impossible to make a right call as the difference between 1 frame and the next can be 13 (If i remember) inches. Plus the error of the lines. Calling someones armpit offside by an inch isn't on in this case.

{Ed025's Note - dead right irish..


4.) 31 Dec 2019 10:23:43
The biggest problem I see is when the play goes on causing players to make bursting recovery runs where before the player would be flagged and play would stop. If I'm not mistaken if it doesn't end up a goal any resulting result corner or throw gives an advantage to the attacking team they shouldn't have got.


5.) 31 Dec 2019 10:28:05
VAR was agreed by the clubs and there's no doubt that it has increased the accuracy of refereeing decisions. There will always be those who yearn for "the good old days" but other sports have moved forward and integrated new technology. The argument that a player was "only millimetres " offside is ridiculous as the law is clear enough and a player is either offside or they are not. In tennis technology can determine if the ball is in or out by millimetres as it determine if somone is run out or stumped at cricket by millimetres or i.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but the argument is not ridiculous as no one can definitely by offside by that sort of margin. You are forgetting that tennis and cricket have a fixed point of reference for their decisions and so can be that exact. There is none of that in an offside decision, all of the parts are moving and so there is a huge margin of error in the calibration, which can be inches (or even more depending on external factors) in each decision. So to use it for such small margins is lunacy, as it could be completely and utterly wrong.}


6.) 31 Dec 2019 11:11:10
Wireless tech is ubiquitous now. Put pressure metres in the ball to show when it is kicked and sync it up with the video of player positions.


7.) 31 Dec 2019 11:14:01
I don't like var ed01 and rellow posters.

But, it is more correct than a referee. They need to let the fans see what they see in the monitor.

It favours the better team because they attack more. It it also stops journeyman cms trying to break keits' leg.

I didn't think the vcwc had var until the drop ball to their goalie.


8.) 31 Dec 2019 11:16:33
On offside calls go back to clear daylight between defender and attacker. Benefit of the doubt for me has to be with the attacking side. Wolves, like Bobby vs Villa and Sadio vs Watford, were robbed of a goal that should've stood.


9.) 31 Dec 2019 12:00:01
Spot on, Irishman. If it is TOO close then the attacking team gets the benefit of the doubt esp. if the goal here is for there to be more goals being scored. Also, I agree with Robbie. They are not in the loop as to what is going on and the replays the VAR is seeing and the fact that it takes so long to judge the decision.

IMO, just use it the same way it is used in the NFL. There, we can see the replays the ref sees and there is a time limit for the ref to study the play and decide whether the play is reversed or the decision on the field stands if there is no real evidence to overturn. Now that is difficult to do in the PL cos th pathetic "Powers That Be" have barred the refs from going to the monitors pitch-side to look at the replays. Hence, we are right back where we are.


10.) 31 Dec 2019 12:37:02
A suggestion, why not have it that when the VAR operator looks at their screen, if they cannot see straight away if a player is offside or not, then let play continue. If a player is obviously offside then call it. By giving the VAR operator a maximum time of say 5 or 6 seconds to make up their mind it would speed up the decisions and NO use of these lines to help them decide.
I know Sky and BT pundits would then rip the decision apart if it's wrong when they use their version of VAR to forensically examine the event but we would have to accept the consequences as we know the alternative is what we have now.

{Ed001's Note - I agree with that and have said similar, when it comes to offsides.}


11.) 31 Dec 2019 12:31:46
SGRed 40cms hahaha are you mad.


12.) 31 Dec 2019 12:47:16
There is 3 things that need to change for next season with VAR. 1) penalty decisions, they r too subjective and ref on pitch should have final call on them. 2) the offside, until the technology can say without doubt if a player was off or not then it should not be used for close calls. 3) some rules, especially the one about the hand ball hitting attacking players hand its free kick hits defenders hand its play on. Created a lot of problems for themselves by introducing that rule. Before VAR u got some decisions and next week u didnt, I don't think anything has changed with VAR u still get some decisions and next week u dont, only difference is now it takes longer to come to the decision.

{Ed025's Note - i would just ditch it until they get it right roro, its a farce at the moment and ruining the game mate..


13.) 31 Dec 2019 12:47:40
My thoughts are they need to improve the technology to make more accurate and then it should be reduced to just the feet.

This armpit stuff is not for me. Would be easier to get the lines correct too. Less lines to draw.

{Ed025's Note - the way it is davey it could well end up costing a team their place in the premiership, its tight down there and 1 bad decision could mean the difference between relegation and survival mate, i would honestly suspend it until they have a foolproof method for its re-introduction mate..


14.) 31 Dec 2019 13:13:53
Surely it can't be suspended halfway through a season. We are just going to have to put up with it for next 5 months unfortunately.


15.) 31 Dec 2019 13:27:18
I love VAR its keeping us on the undefeated rollercoaster.

In all seriousness though the main point I dislike about it is the fans celebrating a goal then having to wait for 2 to 3 minutes for the decision to be returned. It's really killing the joy of being in the stands.

I really don't know how to can be improved because as pointed out above there is no exact point of reference to be marked against. I suppose it could be used for just ruling offside and the rest of the decisions be handed to the referees.

There is no way the FA are going to admit that they have got it wrong and retract it now so I guess we will just have to get on with it.

I think the only way to get it changed would be for the referees to refuse to attend the games until it is sorted out, because ultimately it is their jobs which are being taken over by it.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing whatsoever to do with the FA - the Premier League teams (including Liverpool) voted for it to be introduced.}


16.) 31 Dec 2019 13:48:19
I just want the came to be more dynamic and fluid. Too many times we see a 2-3 minute break due to VAR that kills the tempo of the game completely.


17.) 31 Dec 2019 13:09:05
There'll still be bad decisions either way but I agree. I think the offside calls would be acceptable if the technology was 100% which it isn't and only the feet counted. Fact is though technology is not 100% and therefore I tend to agree with you Ed 25.

{Ed025's Note - yeah its a bit of a lottery at the moment davey..


18.) 31 Dec 2019 14:22:47
Good ideas from SHred and poleman. I would say let's take it further and shift the decision back to the on field refereeing team. So each of the linesmen and the referee should have a large mobile sized screen where they are shown the incident for 15 seconds from 2-3 different angles so they may reflect upon their original decision and overturn it as necessary. That way the referees authority is restored, the water of time offer millimeters is advised, and a face is given to the decision so that if TV coverage after 20 minutes review disagrees with the decision we can still place the blame to the subjective opinion of the referee and move on.

The biggest problem with the VAR is that it puts on a pretense that decisions are objectively correct whereas we know there is still a large degree of subjectivity in it. We don't mind subjectivity, as long as it's not wrapped in pompous BS about accuracy.

{Ed002's Note - That is the proposal from Chelsea (although not for the assistants. Some grounds (clubs playing in Europe) are already equipped with the facilities on a permanent or temporary basis.}


19.) 31 Dec 2019 14:28:03
Surely the point of reference for offside should be the players feet! Arms and shoulders can move on lots of positions and I think it’s unfair if your fingers are offside but your body isn’t!


20.) 31 Dec 2019 15:32:46
Agree the other option would just be for the referee to review potential offside calls on a pitch side monitor if they have any doubt in their mind.

No lines or measuring offsides by the millimeter, just a quick sense check for a clear and obvious error. If it’s not obviously offside without requiring a measuring aid then the goal stands.


21.) 31 Dec 2019 14:17:34
{Ed025's Note - the way it is davey it could well end up costing a team their place in the premiership, its tight down there and 1 bad decision could mean the difference between relegation and survival mate

===========================
How you doing ed025 hope you had a good Christmas .
I understand how you feel about VAR, but you must admit it had improved/ corrected a lot of the bad decisions made by the referees . A clear recent example is our goal against Wolves . Referees and assistant wrongly said handball, VAR clearly showed it was shoulder and there have been few more of those corrections. I do agree with you on the offside situation, they still have n't got that right, not sure what they can do, but remember offsides where contentious even before VAR, and I think they should stick to the technology and find a solution to the offside situation, rather than go back in time .

{Ed025's Note - hi roy yeah im good mate, i have to disagree that its working, for me all this offside by a toenail or an armpit is pathetic, i dont think VAR enhances the game i think its spoiling it, its too forensic for me and the game will end up like american football unless we either ditch it or improve it immensely..


22.) 31 Dec 2019 18:27:56
when people say there is a margin of error of 13 inches, isn't it all relative? like, are you trying to say that at the frame at which point the ball is kkcked, the runner (on the same screen) could be up to +/ - 13 inches from their real positionong? that seema nonsense to me.


23.) 31 Dec 2019 19:20:21
The points of reference in a tennis or cricket match are no more fixed than football. If you have several cameras it is quite possible to triangulate.


24.) 01 Jan 2020 05:28:44
Eds, quick question on the new handball rule. If I nvr rmb wrongly, handball will be called if it hit the attacker hand in the build up to the goal. What is the definition of build up here?

Say if Van Dijk handballed against wolves. (We know he didn’t by looking at the spin of the ball), will it be pulled back for a handball?

If he had handballed and we go on a 20-25 pass move before we scored, will it be pulled back? (As it happened in the ‘build Up’ to the goal)

If he handballed and we are keeping our pressure up in the same phase of play. Wolves defender managed to clear the ball on occasion during the Attack but do not have control on the ball. Will it be pulled back?

{Ed001's Note - if a Wolves player had touched it in between, then it would not get called back. As for definition of build up, that is an interpretation of the ref and up to him to decide how far back to go.}


25.) 31 Dec 2019 18:30:35
25 - how will VAR cost a team if the calls are basocally all correct? you and others are bemoaning the process for the decision and are them blurring that with the actual decision.

{Ed025's Note - its not football though faith, deciding games on a toe nail or an armpit is science mate and its taking the fun out of the game, where do we go from here? every tackle reviewed?..every jump for the ball in case there is a shove?..every pass down the line in case the ball went out...every free kick in case the wall was only 9.995m away..and the list goes on, the game will end up being 12 hours long and the fans bored out of their skulls mate, errors are part and parcel of the game..


26.) 01 Jan 2020 02:41:17
{Ed025's Note - the way it is davey it could well end up costing a team their place in the premiership, its tight down there and 1 bad decision could mean the difference between relegation and survival mate

Seems like an Evertonian concern to me ;)

{Ed025's Note - a few weeks ago maybe IDOG, but now carlo is at the helm the good ship everton is sailing through calmer waters mate and its full steam ahead for next season.. :)


27.) 01 Jan 2020 09:15:10
VAR cost Norwich 2 points the other evening by ruling out Pukkis goal. He was level at worst.


28.) 01 Jan 2020 09:35:29
25 - yup I fully get that part of it for sure. For me the reaction to what really amounts to teething problems has been way over the top and also mis-directed. Yes there are problems, but it's not to do with the decisions that are being made and everything to do with the process. So then you get guys like Conor Coady being praised for an emotional rant about how he couldn't understand what was happening because no one was telling him. But that turned into VAR is being unfair to them as if it got the calls wrong. Sorry, VAR was spot on, but there should be way more transparency and clarity around the calls that are made.

For me, offsides are easy because they are objective. You are offside or you are not offside. and whatever metric, or rule change we want will always bring about the potential for these 1mm margins. So, if VAR is here to say, then we have to live with it but hope that the powers that be, as incompetent as they are, turn their brains and hearts on to develop a transparent system so fans, players and coaches know what is happening.

American sports have this part of the game spot on, and yes you may get blown calls still, but at least there is transparency and an explanation for what is going. Can't they pay someone a packet of crisps to make an announcement on the PA to explain tot he crowd lol.

{Ed025's Note - i totally agree about the trust issue faith, but im a traditionalist and i dont think trying to fix something thats not broken is the way forward, half the fun is the contentious decisions and talking points of human error, im a bit of an old fuddy duddy i suppose mate..


29.) 01 Jan 2020 10:01:01
25 - I'm from New Zealand right, and we were having this debate on our lfc fans forum. I gave a couple changes I would make which included beaming the footage that the VAR is analyzing live to the crowd OR showing the still shots of the key moment. i. e., offsides, handball etc. But then I was totally shocked to learn that there are many grounds that don't have screens including at Anfield! Some of the ex-pat brits on our forum were saying it's to do with not limiting crowd numbers, staying true to the live game etc etc and to be honest, I just thought this was so backwards lol I'm not sure what the true reasoning is for this, but, and don't be offended by this lol, I just feel like football needs to be move with the times. There is a new age of player, fan engagement that needs to match 2020. In this day and age of social media and instant news, to introduce technology but not have provision for instant info provided to everyone present is mind-numbingly old-school and short sighted.

The powers that be have messed it up so badly, that even now that the calls are even more correct than before, players and fans are still complaining hahaha.

{Ed025's Note - as i say faith im an old codger mate, if it was up to me instead of screens they would have black and white tellys.. :)


 

 

27 Dec 2019 23:47:11
Hi all, am lucky enough to be travelling from overseas to visit Anfield for only the second time, and for the first time with my sons. I cannot wait to see this team in full flow, and they are so excited they can barely sleep.

Question for the regulars, is it worth hanging about after the game to see if you can catch the players leaving the stadium and if so, where to go and how long after the match would they typically leave. I believe they are told not to sign autographs anymore, is that right?

Thanks.

SGRed

1.) 28 Dec 2019 01:51:57
If you wait outside the Main Stand after the game. James Milner gives fans piggy backs to their cars. You can also get a glimpse of him completing a marathon Afterwards during his warm down and if your really lucky, he might drop the straw from his Ribena before he starts his late night Kebab delivery, Which he does on foot 😂 enjoy the game SG.


2.) 28 Dec 2019 02:11:08
I was visiting from SG in May 2017 and was able to meet a lot of the players and Jurgen to sign autographs around the gate near the players’ car park around 30-60 min after the game. Not sure if they have stopped since but it was definitely worth the wait as we collected memorabilia from: Jurgen, Coutinho, Firmino, Origi, Mignolet and many others.


3.) 28 Dec 2019 08:35:35
Firstly, it’s a great time to be coming to Anfield SG mate, the atmosphere is bouncing at the moment, where are you sitting? As another poster said, wait near the gate but I’m not sure if players are signing autographs. It might give you an opportunity to see the players a bit close let up whilst the crowds leave?


4.) 28 Dec 2019 10:42:47
Lucky man SG! Sing our boys over the line son. I reckon ynwa will be ringing out in every game from now on in.


5.) 28 Dec 2019 11:37:44
Thanks all - unfortunately quite high up in the main stand but I’m sure we all won’t mind, just to be there will be worth it. Is the gate is on the corner of the Anfield Rd and Centenary stands?


6.) 28 Dec 2019 12:34:35
If you wait outside on Anfield Road near to the Centenary Stand entrance gates, when the players come out to get their cars some might come over.


7.) 28 Dec 2019 22:30:25
U have touched lucky in terms of where your sitting as main stand is excellent. Hang around Anfield road and u will see bus arriving and could meet ex players, seen Ian st John there myself. Bus arrives about 90mins before ko.


8.) 29 Dec 2019 10:59:14
Thanks all.


 

 

11 Nov 2019 14:06:30
Can I just say what a fantastic side we all have the pleasure of supporting. I don't think I've seen a better Liverpool team, or a better bunch of lads.

From Allison and VVDs coolness under pressure, to Trents unbelievable cross pitch passes to the marauding Robbo, to Fabinhos imperious control of midfield, Gini's ability to rope a dope, Hendos passion and energy, and of course our unbelievable front three, a sublime mixture of pace, guile and the sheer joys of scoring bucketloads of goals. Special mention to Ox, Gomez, Matip, Origi with his gifts off the bench, to many many others.

These are the most special times to be a Liverpool supporter and may we remember these moments until our very end!

SGRed

1.) 11 Nov 2019 14:14:51
Absolutely agree SGRed well said.


2.) 11 Nov 2019 15:27:04
Spot on, SGRed. Since last season, I have had a lot of respect and admiration for this team and all it has had to endure and rise above over the last 18 months to 2 years. I often have to pinch myself when I realize what our team has and is currently accomplishing right before our very eyes.


3.) 11 Nov 2019 19:34:27
Yep. Well said sgred. Best team I've seen. I can see us winning another European Cup.


 

 

30 Aug 2019 05:02:35
Congratulations VVD and Becker, awesome to see two out of the four top player awards going to Liverpool players.

Also the first Ballon D'Or for a defender and first from the PL. No small feat, and fully deserved for both after completely transforming our defence and making Liverpool one of the most feared teams in Europe again.

Makes a big change from years past when we'd only look on at Barca, RM, Bayern, Juve and could only dream of playing regularly at their level.

Good times.

SGRed

1.) 30 Aug 2019 06:05:38
Not the actual ballon dor just the UEFA player of the year (based on CL season) . Nice to see them win it and fully deserved. 4 of our back 5 making the best 11 shows how important our defence really was in winning no.6. The year before our front 3 all hit 10 goals each and they carried us, last year they didn't get near those numbers but our defence took care of results. Clean sheets against napoli bayern Barcelona and crucially spurs were the difference. And seeing Virgil sitting alongside Messi and Ronaldo before claiming his award shows the level he's at. And it would be fantastic to see him scoop the ballon dor come the end of the year.


2.) 30 Aug 2019 06:10:24
VVD didn't win the Ballon D'Or - He won the UEFA Men's Player of the Year Award.

The Ballon D'Or has been won by defenders such as Cannavaro and Beckenbauer.


3.) 30 Aug 2019 06:52:26
And I’m pretty sure Michael Owen did win the Ballon D’dor didn’t he? So an Prem and LFC player has won it before.

{Ed025's Note - yeah in 2001 westwood..


4.) 30 Aug 2019 07:47:07
Ronaldo won it when he was in the premier league as well also 2008 I believe. Nevertheless I understand what your point is SGRed and I agree it’s great to see the players getting accolades for last season. Hopefully the team as a whole pick up a couple more trophies as a collective this season.


5.) 30 Aug 2019 08:33:12
My bad - jumped the gun there. 😉.


6.) 30 Aug 2019 15:00:17
Or you just saw into the future SGR ;)


7.) 30 Aug 2019 20:15:30
IMO, VVD should win the Ballon D'Or this season, Messi and CR7 have not even deserved to be shortlisted and even if they were, VVD's performances and immediate impact on not just LFC's brilliant season BUT on Holland as a whole, is all you need. A great player is judged on not just how he performs BUT most importantly, does he make his team mates better.

Nobody can ever deny how much VVD has made his team mates better up and down the pitch, something CR7 and Messi did not do this season. Having said that, I won't be shocked if one of Messi or Ronaldo wins cos it is now political instead of actually being judged on your talent and the substance of your performances.

{Ed025's Note - yeah all liverpool players should make team of the year according to you, klopp should be made pope, bobby prime minister and alisson the new dalai lama, have a day off will you mate ffs..


8.) 30 Aug 2019 20:37:37
Well SGRed was describing the UEFA award which was only created in 2010 in which time he was right in saying no PL player or any defender has won. Ronaldo and Messi a few times and I think ribery, modric and maybe iniesta the only others to win.


9.) 30 Aug 2019 21:27:05
😂😂😂😂 cracker Ed.


10.) 30 Aug 2019 21:52:39
Nice troll job, Bitter Bro a. k. a Ed25. Your whind-up game is getting lame, man. Losing your touch? Not going to bite BUT thanks for playing, tho. Peace!

{Ed025's Note - just trying to help man..peace..


11.) 31 Aug 2019 09:10:49
Top man, Ed25.


 

 

 

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29 Jan 2020 05:25:23
Agree similar in style but a very long way to go before you can say in terms of impact on game Silvered. They are worlds apart in terms of quality - exactly as it should be given he’s so young.

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27 Jan 2020 12:06:41
We wouldn’t let him go without a suitable backup I’m sure.

Salah is an extraordinary player, and while I’ve always felt his finishing could at time be inconsistent, the sheer number of opportunities he creates is incredible.

He’s always a threat, and there aren’t many players you can say that about game in, game out.

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23 Jan 2020 08:09:05
It’s a fact that most youngsters coming through the various academies simply won’t make it at the top level - it’s a big step up to the PL level, and while there are many hopefuls out there, not many spots become free in the PL squads each year.

By definition a lot of these youngsters will ‘suffer the same fate’, and that’s not reason enough to criticise Liverpool because there will always be more players at the junior level than can ever make the first team squad (unless we were to sell all the Liverpool players each season and replace them with the u23’s!? )

Where Ed is 1000% correct though is Liverpool was particularly bad at it before, with many kids not even having a chance at all, or had their careers stalled through no fault of their own. Thankfully we seem to have gotten a lot better IMO and following Trent there seems to be a much closer integration with the academy as was seen in the Everton cup game.

Long may it continue, as each academy player that makes it saves us a fortune, and with a strong spine through the squad now, we can afford to be patient to develop talent rather than having to buy it all in.

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15 Jan 2020 10:15:21
If it’s a sale I could see why we might consider it (assuming it’s for a meaningful figure) with Minamino coming in and Origi in good form, and we also have Ox able to play on the wing etc. but for a loan It just wouldn’t make sense IMO as would weaken the squad without any meaningful financial upside.

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09 Jan 2020 12:27:32
My biggest worry is Milner - he covers the midfield and also adds an experienced option to cover the fullbacks in case of injury. He’s the one that would conceivably need replacing if he chose to leave for his beloved Leeds.

Hopefully he can spend another season with us, by which time Neco, Larouci and Jones should have had more playing time under the belt to prove they can make it at the highest level.

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20 Mar 2020 15:20:28
Present - Milner cause he seems a genuinely nice guy and must have some great stories

Past - Crouch or grobs would be a laugh but I’d also have to go with King Kenny.

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19 Mar 2020 14:54:19
With all the potential implications of not completing the season, I’m not sure why the couldn’t consider extending it past end June? They can also potentially even rejig the next season a bit to shorten it up a bit (shorten the cups, no replays, no two leg semis, no international friendlies etc. ) and play on until August.

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19 Feb 2020 07:20:33
Agree thunderbird, I think we actually played very well over 80% of the pitch but we just lacked the killer pass/ finish and they defended well. What I really hate though is the way they tried to get Mane sent off and hence why he was subbed, that changed our game in the end. They also went rolling around the pitch whenever tackled. tactical masterclass to try level the playing field but it’s not pretty or worthy of respect no matter how good they are.

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10 Feb 2020 01:31:37
He reminds me a bit of Francois Pienaar if any of you watch rugby. Probably wasn’t the best in the world in his position at the time, but he was exactly what the team needed as a player and captain to set the culture of the squad, the commitment on the pitch, and helped drive the team to the World Cup.

Hendo is the same for me, A very important and dependable player, yes, but he really deserves to be a legend for his character and leadership, which has set the example and expectations for the rest of the squad.

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07 Feb 2020 12:04:04
A few thoughts

- agree with Ed, was surprised how little Shrewsbury came out to play
- having said that, we passed the ball and controlled possession incredibly well and they couldn’t get near us
- Chirivella In particular managed the game from midfield like a real midfield general, and the way he celebrated at the end gives me real hope he might yet make it at the highest level. exceptionally composed on the ball but showed a bit of grit too
- Jones and Elliott always looked dangerous on the ball upfront however we somehow struggled to really create the killer finish (apart from one huge opportunity that was from Elliott the Nico Williams but was very well saved) . those two really are looking ready to step up though
- most pleasing of all was defence was excellent too with Sepp and Hoever far more composed than they’ve been in previous matches, and dealt really well with anything lumped forward (as well as on the corners which I was a bit worried about beforehand)
- fullbacks were excellent in defence and also in getting forward but just unlucky in the final third (got into good positions but the crosses tended to come in a little low)

Overall Shrewsbury were completely outclassed for most of the game, and the only place we looked like an u23 team was how we seemed to lack the experience and ruthlessness required in the final third. A bit more experience upfront and it could easily have been 3 nil or more.

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