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29 Aug 2017 05:42:58
if we get lemar and vvd now I would say it's a good window. Vvd isn't the answer to our problem but I believe it's a good start

Trust in klopp.

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1.) 29 Aug 2017 09:32:28
Based on what Ed02 has said, I will be shocked if Saints let us have VVD cos this tapping up runs way deeper than one might think.


 

 

02 Aug 2017 03:44:16
To any of the eds. would it be possible at some point for an article or a link to a reliable website to be posted with regards to clauses in contracts and how they do and don't affect clubs. No problem if it's not but it would make a very interesting read and hopefully create more of an understanding

Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know what you mean by "and how they do and don't affect clubs". What is your real question?}


1.) 02 Aug 2017 19:13:24
I think what he means Ed002 is in regards to selling on fees and maybe release/ buy back clauses and how it is diffirent country to country (How just because a release clause exists for a player in a certain country does not mean every club can use that release clauseand guarantee them a player at that price for example Keita and Liverpool) Which quite possibly may have been the question behind the question :) As far as I am aware though it would be almost impossible to get all that information as each case is diffirent and can't use situation A to say situation B will follow the same procedure (In most cases) that is my understanding but I could be waaaaay off.

{Ed002's Note - Perhaps a reminder about transfer related clauses would be apt. This is a horribly complex area not least because they are written under individual national laws. They cause a great deal of misunderstanding with football supporters and the media alike.

The "buy out" clause is legally binding between a club and a player. The "buy out" is effectively what it says - a means for the player to buy himself out of the contract. As an example, if a player wishes to buy himself out of a contract, he pays the applicable FA (on behalf of the club) the amount of the "buy out" clause effectively becoming a free agent. The problem is that in most cases a player would need to obtain that money from the buying club - and this is fraught with issues regarding "tapping up" and, of course, taxation (as it can be seen as income for the player and would therefore be subject to income tax). There was a test case about the taxation issue in Spain about four years ago. So "buy out" clauses are very rare. Related to this is the Webster Ruling but I don't intend to go in to that now.

A "release clause" is far more common in that it gives a figure that the club would accept for the sale of a player to another club - but it is not legally binding except where both parties (clubs) are in the same country (for the sake of argument I should say that Spain and Portugal count as the same country as do England and Wales) for legal purposes. These are normally unreasonably high figures (Messi at Barcelona for example) introduced to act as a deterrent for hostile bids - and even then the club could easily block a move. However, if a club in the same country does agree to match a release clause then the selling club would be obliged to ask the player if he is interested - there is no obligation on the player to make a move. For interested clubs outside of the country, the selling club may use it as a guide but are under obligation to accept a bid and may demand a higher figure.

There is then the becoming popular "termination clause" which is binding between the player and the club and if met would see an offer from anywhere accepted and the player given the opportunity to make a call on a move. This overcomes the issues associated with "buy out" clauses as the money would be paid by one club to another and about the legal proximity of the buying side.}


2.) 03 Aug 2017 02:39:02
Thankyou edoo2 and clfc that was what I meant. Really helped.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


 

 

26 Jul 2017 07:43:15
Ed002. You said the other day that Liverpool could possibly be interested in goretzka if kieta was no longer an option.

Would it become possible for them to become interested if can was to leave and still have interest in Keita?

Jackored

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea but the club cannot keep adding players without other leaving.}


 

 

25 Jul 2017 02:47:47
Ed001 just wanted to ask your opinion on this Keita tackle that has been blown up in the media. Do you feel it was just retaliation to a tackle he recieved or fustration and trying to force a move like when Suarez turned into a vampire?

Jackored

{Ed001's Note - it was just a tackle. I think it must have been a slow day for making up bull by the little kids working for those trolling clickbait sites.}


1.) 25 Jul 2017 06:44:06
Haha fair enough thanks for the reply.

{Ed001's Note - if you ever get the chance to watch teams training, you will see these kind of incidents (and far worse every day).}


2.) 25 Jul 2017 07:05:12
Ed001 you think we will sing a. keita b. vvd?

{Ed001's Note - I don't know, perhaps if you tell us the words and hum us all the tune we can have a sing-a-long.....}


3.) 25 Jul 2017 07:05:21
Sorry it was sign.

{Ed001's Note - damn sing was so much more fun!}


4.) 25 Jul 2017 08:14:52
well? whom ed? any chance?

{Ed001's Note - I have answered this question a lot mate, I don't see any point in me repeating myself again.}


5.) 25 Jul 2017 08:43:01
It was a very slow news day indeed. I saw the tackle and what led to it. There are Sunday League training sessions where much worse has happened. Nothing to see there.


 

 

22 Jul 2017 04:07:01
I think couts will give us 1 more season and then we will allow his transfer to Barcelona without a formal written request. we could win the treble this year and I don't think it would be enough to keep him. This will give us enough time to scout a replacement and negotiate the best deal we possibly can.

Jackored

1.) 22 Jul 2017 07:21:16
But I know we shouldn't believe what players say but he did come out with he wants to be remembered as a legend at lfc! So hopefully he can stay but if not he won't be the first and won't be the last we have sold our best players.


2.) 22 Jul 2017 08:09:53
I know I'd love it if he'd stay but going to Barcelona is a dream for any player let alone a Brazilian. If it was to to another prem club or psg I'd be petty disappointed.


3.) 22 Jul 2017 09:45:41
I'm not buying the "dream move" angle, he'd stay with us if he thought we were the better team.
Why do we have to keep selling our best players? Why do Barcelona see us as such a soft target? Under Abramovich, Chelsea haven't sold a single player who was vital to the team. Robben was a good player but not vital to what Chelsea were doing, and he went to an inferior side in RM.


 

 

 

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25 Jul 2017 02:57:14
I really don't know much of Meyer but if coutinho was to leave would he be such a bad replacement?
Coutinho wasn't exactly setting the world alite in la liga or serie could Meyer not have a similar impact?

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22 Jul 2017 08:24:58
We will get 1 more season. Take our time over the deal let his price rise with a good showing in the CL and WC and give us time to scout the right replacement.

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16 Jul 2017 04:22:21
We also have ings. Regardless of the quality of the strikers we have we are overstocked. We have 5 looking for 1 spot. I do think if we sold origi we may live to regret it but we can't just keep hold of him and hope he suddenly becomes a world beater, because he won't. Not whilst he is 3rd choice playing a few games here and there. He has potential but i think he needs to maybe take a loan somewhere to show he will improve.

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03 Jul 2017 00:28:08
AB- do you have any info about outgoings? Surely with all them players will won't meet FFP.

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28 Jun 2017 13:10:42
Tbh I have never seen Meyer play live. But I don't know how anyone can say he not as ready as Ojo for our first team when he has played regularly in budesliga and in European competions.

Also he is currently playing for Germany's u21s and has player for the senior side where ojo was with our u18s.

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06 Aug 2017 11:41:29
Thing is, if we sell for that much then the price of who we sign to replace him just gets inflated even more. We shouldn't sell end of regardless of price but if we do we should replace him before leaves.

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03 Aug 2017 02:39:02
Thankyou edoo2 and clfc that was what I meant. Really helped.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


 

 

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25 Jul 2017 06:44:06
Haha fair enough thanks for the reply.

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{Ed001's Note - if you ever get the chance to watch teams training, you will see these kind of incidents (and far worse every day).}


 

 

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22 Jul 2017 08:16:25
Coutinho is the last player I'd want to leave us because he is utterly class, but at the moment there see to be lots of talented players out there that could potentially replace him. Not that I care about money but a world record deal would surely be worth considering.

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22 Jul 2017 08:09:53
I know I'd love it if he'd stay but going to Barcelona is a dream for any player let alone a Brazilian. If it was to to another prem club or psg I'd be petty disappointed.

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