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06 Jun 2018 22:15:21
Just to change the topic of transfers and all that. I went on youtube and stumbled of 2 min highlights of past international games from the Euros (1988 - 1996) where I became a kid again and these clips reminded me of how intern'l football used to be and how it has become so banal to this generation.

In that time, I remembered how much I loved the Dutch team of Rinus Michels in Euro 1988 where Van Basten put that legendary volley past the demi god that was GK Renat Dessaev (I was 12 at the time I watched this live) in the final and how Michels rubbed his eyes in disbelief as he could not believe what he had just seen. I loved that Soviet team as well in that tourney with Zavarov, Alenikov, Belanov, Raz, and Mihailachenko, under the tutelage of the lat Lobanovski, the man who would later give us the legendary Andrei Chevchenko.

Or when England were irresistible at Euro 1996 (the closest England has ever come to winning a trophy) where they played a semi for the ages vs Germany or the final game itself where Germany's Oliver Bierhoff (a pariah to the German fans) came off the bench in his first appearance in that tournament, to score both goals vs the youthful Czech team of Nedved, Poborsky and of course, Patrick Berger via the the golden goal in extra time. What a final and tournament that was. Or the 1992 edition where the Danish team of Brian Laudrup, Jensen, Henrik LArsen, Vilfort and of course, Schmeichel, came off the beaches to sweep all b4 them to victory. A mention also needs to go to the Swedish team of Brolin, Schwarz an Dahlin or the German team of Reidle, Klinsmann and that maestro Thomas Haessler.

Sorry for the long post BUT just felt a bit of raw nostalgia and being thankful for having the opportunity to have watched these true giants of the game, strut their stuff on the intern't stage.


1.) 06 Jun 2018 23:56:54
Very refreshing post Brover, nice one mate.

2.) 07 Jun 2018 00:07:43
Nice post. I recorded and watched the Football History Channels 2hr film of Italia 90 World Cup, which was my childhood tournament. Loved that nostalgic feeling.

3.) 07 Jun 2018 07:13:09
What do you mean by 'banal to this generation'? I think millions of people are looking forward to the world cup.

4.) 07 Jun 2018 07:58:32
The closest England have come to winning a trophy? What about the 1990 World Cup? We came just as close there. Ooh. and I’m sure we won the big one in ‘66 too.
You’re right though mate, those were heady days. Gullitt and Van Basten in ‘88. Shearer and Sheringham in ‘96. Unfortunately, I can’t see England getting past the quarters this time around at best. What an underwhelming team we have right now 😏.

5.) 07 Jun 2018 09:03:36
BRover - I don't think it's become banal to this generation. I think this generation is just slightly less interested as realistically, we have no stake in the competition and rather than being one of the 5 or 6 teams that can win it, we're just making up number. That lowers national interest, but globally it's still the pinnacle of football for many.

6.) 07 Jun 2018 19:34:38
Thanks for the posts. Maybe "banal" was not the right word but I think intern'l footie has been devalued a bit esp. in England cos well, it's England. But for me not just the international comps., I LOVED WC/ EURO qualifying games as well cos back then, playing in an international tournament was where you got noticed and got your big move or won the Ballon D'Or cos well, not a lot of countries could watch Euro league games like we can do now via our phones for some of the affluent ones. Either way, I just felt some nostalgia. That's all.



26 May 2018 05:26:16
My Fellow Reds,


We shall conquer what NO team in England has conquered
Defeat will not NOT be in our creed
Tonight, we will believe what others have doubted
And reign hell upon our adversaries


We acknowledge that our opponents and doubters don't expect us to triumph
But our hearts will not yield to weakness and doubt
We will draw strength in numbers
And together with hope, we will fulfill our destiny


We will NOT retreat nor surrender
As that is NOT an option
For our opponent dos not know our heart nor our history
Many say we were lucky
We say luck is when preparation meets opportunity.
Tonight, we seize THAT opportunity


My fellow reds, whatever happens tonight. Real Madrid should know and understand one thing. That till the last man, till the last minute and till the last second, We fight! We fight! We fight!



1.) 26 May 2018 06:01:41
Rover you’re getting me pumped up my man.

2.) 26 May 2018 06:44:21
Channeling your inner William Wallace there buddy! Love it.

3.) 26 May 2018 10:32:07
That's deep Brover, you remind me of that preacher from the royal wedding. I know Ed1, I know, I don't know if I previously admitted it or not but I did actually watch the highlights of it, I blame the Mrs. Any excuse.

Very good post Brover, one of your best mate.

{Ed001's Note - I am embarrassed for you mate.}



21 May 2018 22:58:20
Just read a brilliant interview that Hendo gave to Oliver Holt of the Daily Mail. I propose that everyone check it out. It will blow your mind.


1.) 21 May 2018 23:19:12
Incredible rover! Cheers for the heads up! I’ve always believed, the more people you have that are committed to the cause and are less obsessed with personal triumphs leads to the enviable of team glory. At then end of that this is a team sport and I think hendo really does reflect what is going on within that camp. Let’s all appreciate what is going within Liverpool football club because I truly feel blessed.

Enjoy people.

2.) 21 May 2018 23:21:00
* inevitable.

3.) 21 May 2018 23:39:15
Football players are not emotionless robots with nothing going on off the pitch? That is mind blowing.

If my dad was going through cancer treatment, I probably couldn't get out of bed.

4.) 22 May 2018 03:17:24
What a superb attitude to life and football. Utterly deserves the captaincy and any successes that come his way. Love to see him and the team immortalised this Saturday.

5.) 22 May 2018 07:19:02
We are so lucky to have Jordan Henderson as our Captain.
What a true professional and inspirational young man he is.
He’s a perfect role model for youngsters,
I hope his father continues to recover from his illness and that he sees his son lift the Champions League Trophy on Saturday.
To lift the trophy and then captain England at the World Cup would be a fantastic honour for Jordan and thoroughly deserved.


6.) 22 May 2018 07:24:04
Aren’t Daily Fail articles behind a paywall?

7.) 23 May 2018 13:43:32
wow, I'll be made up for hendo if we win, it will be even sweeter if he can assist or score the winning goal.



14 May 2018 20:00:17
Hi guys,

Great result last night and happy we have no injuries and will be ready for the all out assault on the CL trophy in two weeks. I was at the pub watching the game (Rooster's Pub in Brussels. Come on down when in Brussels) with other LFC fans and low and behold, I met a Norwegian named Ole Hermann Borgan. Don't know who he is? He is a retired FIFA ref/ lino who retired in 2006 and is a MAD Liverpool fan. I could not believe my luck. We had a hoot of a time. We spoke about all things football.

I asked him if he had reffed any LFC games in Europe and he said he had reffed 5 of them. He said he was the ref during the LFC v Roma game in the 01/ 02 season at Anfield. I asked him how it is to ref a game where one of the teams is the one you are mad for. He said it was quite easy cos as a ref, you shut it out and do your job. I then asked him who was the best player he had ever seen. He said he had watched a tonne of them (BUT to him, Zidane was petry in motion.

Now while all this is happening, our friend Kevin Friend is having a true stinker at Anfield and when he did not award LFC a pen in both situations, HE WAS LOSING IT. I then asked him about refs in England and if he rates them. Borgan said that he thinks English refs are arrogant and are not focused on actually doing the job. They are focused on being seen as tough or trying to prove a point that they are in charge instead of just being a co-stakeholder in the game and trying to do the best job possible.

I then asked him about the Roma pen with TAA and he said that had that been him, he would have awarded a pen, end of. HOWEVER, he said since the ref had a clear view of it, he thinks the ref interpreted that TAA did not deliberately raise his hand up and had no chance of bringing his arms down cos he was doing his best to try and get in front of the shot (part of the hand ball rule, btw) hence, did not give it. I agree cos I thought the same thing when it happened BUT Go figure

Sorry for the long post BUT just wanted to share that with you guys. On to Kiev where we #TakeThe6th!


1.) 14 May 2018 20:29:58
Great post and different from the usual stuff, thanks for sharing. And hard to argue with him regards English refs I've been astonished with some of the displays this season and absolutely no explanation for it! (untouchable) attitude by the majority.

2.) 14 May 2018 20:31:07
Thanks for sharing mate.

3.) 14 May 2018 20:45:26
I am fed up with the different interpretations used in the media with regard to handball.
Handball has to be deliberate. If it's accidental it's not handball.
Pundits saying that the ball traveled a long way or his hand was raised just cloud the issue.

Against Roma Trent was lifting his foot to block the ball so his arm came up as well. In my opinion it wasn't deliberate and therefore not a pen.
Having said that the alleged handball by Duffy? (not sure it was him) yesterday was a misjudgement by the defender. Even though the ball had traveled a fair distance, I still don't think it was deliberate and wouldn't have given the penalty.

Problem is its open to interpretation and most people would give both penalties. Don't think VAR will help either because again it's all down to intent and how the referee interprets the situation.

4.) 14 May 2018 21:02:32
Am just fed up with how a ref stands 10 feet away am seams to go blind to a handball. Just waves it away like it never happened and am not just talking about Liverpool the refs are so poor now it’s embracing.

5.) 14 May 2018 21:04:56
Thanks for the responses, lads and MAD props to the Ed's for posting it cos this moment was one of the best football moments in my life.

Never Forget, I am near certain that the refs and pundits in England, have next to no clue about the footie rules so just make them up to fit the narrative they wanna propagate, IMO. Also the reason I asked him that was to get not just the perspective of a FIFA ref BUT also one from a non English person or pundit and he gave his honest opinion on the TAA issue.

Also since I speak French, I watched a lot of French punditry on youtube about the Roma game and a couple of them were the only ones who offered the scenario you, myself and Borgan did on TAA about him not deliberately raising his hands up while lifting his foot to block the shot. That is as UNDELIBERATE a handball as you will find and tho some of them wanted a pen, a couple others said it was not cos that was the only reason the ref did not give it cos he was right on top of the play.

Also, I agree that VAR would not have helped in the Brighton incidents as well cos I thought the tackle on Salah was not a pen cos Duffy got a decent touch on the ball. Had that been given as a pen against us, I would have been losing it. True LFC fan tho, Borgan disagreed and wanted both his pens. and wanted them NOW, lol. YNNWA!

6.) 14 May 2018 21:18:23
Longthing, it was what Borgan was referring to as in, English refs are too full of themselves, too arrogant and always wanna prove a point that they are in charge, all things that have NOTHING to do with the game they are officiating. They should be focusing on reffing the game and being dedicated to do the best job they can instead of worrying about all this other nonsense. Their priorities are outside of the game itself, I think.

7.) 14 May 2018 21:40:04
Totally agree. I think the worst culprits are the ex referees they get on to analyse the refs performance. They justify bad decisions like the Kane offside/ penalty or the Solanke handball/ goal v West Brom. It then becomes widely reported as a correct decision which just confuses matters.

I didn't think it was a foul on Salah either, but it was very similar to a penalty Migs gave away where he miskicked a clearance and took Vardy out. He got the ball but apparently "not enough of the ball"🙄.

8.) 14 May 2018 23:06:18
For a handball to be considered deliberate, the ref will take into account whether the hand was moved towards the ball and also whether the arm was placed in a an unnatural position. For example, Harry Kewell handball in the world cup vs Ghana. He had his arm out from his body - I agreed with the decision.

9.) 14 May 2018 23:15:15
Hi Longthing 76 - embracing is what Jurgen Klopp does - EMBARRASING is what referees do.

10.) 15 May 2018 11:13:50
Thanks for the great post BRover, lovely story.

What surprises me most is that I don't see many people talking about the "handball" by Klavan for Roma's last second penalty. I thought that was an absolutely atrocious decision as his hand was by his side, not raised, not in an unnatural position, and he certainly was not deliberately blocking the ball with his hand.
All this subjectivity about what constitutes handball is why we sometimes see defenders trying to block crosses with their hands behind their backs (which is clearly unnatural and I hope they are wearing groin guards when they do so) .

The handball rule clearly needs to be clarified.

{Ed001's Note - in Spain if it hits the hand it is adjudged to be handball, hence why players who played in Spain put their hands behind their back. Perhaps that is the only way to clear up the matter?}

11.) 16 May 2018 07:54:02
Thanks Ed001, I was unaware of that rule in Spain. I guess such a rule would help put all subjectivity out of the window, even if it does seem rather silly. I'm almost surprised we don't see more players in Spain trying to kick the ball against defenders' hands when they're in the penalty box - it might just be easier than aiming for the top corner! :P.

{Ed001's Note - they did do that for a while, hence why they all put their hands behind their backs.}



10 May 2018 10:40:27
Just read that the Real honorary president Gento (great player), said that the CL Final "would be a piece of cake". In American sports, we call that "Bulletin board material" meaning, that quote is posted on the bulletin board at the entrance of the team's dressing room. This way, EVERY player and coach sees that disrespectful quote and uses it as fuel for their fire in the coming game. Good job, Sparky a. k. a Gento! Keep talking that trash. YNWA.


1.) 10 May 2018 11:02:53
That quote has triggered me.

2.) 10 May 2018 11:03:30
Remember my dad telling me that Malcolm McDonald from Newcastle did something similar in the 1974 fa cup final. Was saying he was going to destroy Hughes and Thompson that they wouldn't be able to handle him. Won that final 3-0 if I'm not mistaken let's hope history repeats itself lads.

3.) 10 May 2018 11:19:16
I remember before an NFL game btw the New England Patriots and the Pittsburg Steelers where before the game, a Steelers defensive player (Anthony Taylor) said that the Pats were overrated and could be gotten at. Remember, the Pats were undefeated and the game would be in NE where they NEVER lose. Tom Brady thanked the player for offering you guessed it, Bulletin Board Material.

What happened in the game? Pittsburg was blown out of the water and the Pitt defensive player was ridiculed as he was beaten for a touchdown pass amongst many other things they did to him. The Pats later said they decided to not just beat Pitt, but to humiliate both them and that player for running his mouth. Gento is now Anthony Taylor and Klopp MUST do all they can to make him eat his words w/ o any chasers or bbq sauce.

4.) 10 May 2018 11:32:03
The last time a Madrid president opened his mouth about the pending outcome of a Liverpool-Real Madrid face-off and wrote us off before a ball was kicked we humbled them 1-0 on their turf and battered them 4-0 at Anfield. That President didn't keep much job too much longer.

May history repeat itself and fate judge him just as harshly as his predecessor. No tact whatsoever.

5.) 10 May 2018 14:08:29
That quote reminds me of the time you thought you were going to trample over us at OT in March🤦‍♂️😂. But seriously, you do have a very good chance against Referee XI (Madrid), just need to exploit their overrated defence.

6.) 10 May 2018 16:28:41
Scholes, I do not recall John W Henry, Tom Warner, Mike Gordon or whoever saying playing you guys at OT would be a piece of cake. Fans? maybe but that is just banter. I get your point tho.

7.) 10 May 2018 16:52:44
He got his baking wrong.

He said “piece of cake” but he meant a piece of pie - humble pie.

8.) 10 May 2018 18:33:23
Serious banter*.

9.) 11 May 2018 17:21:35
Still banter scholes serious or not, that’s called rivalry ;)
the clubs staff/ board should be respectful of each other and leave the rivalry to the fans!




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23 Jul 2018 14:23:22
Spot on, Ed02. I am not impressed with him either esp. with the fact that Lovren is the better CB and he would not partner Lovs over VVD either as VVD is clearly light years away from him as well. Makes ZERO sense to me as well.




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23 Jul 2018 14:21:02
Meyer is not good enough for us anymore. He would not get in ahead of Fab, Naby and Hendo anyway and for a squad player, we already have Gini, Milner and Lallana.




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18 Jul 2018 19:59:12
Vida is is decent defender and nothing more. Lovren made him look very good at the WC cos well, he can't pass out the back, lacks pace and is quite clumsy. Lovren was the one passing out the back and bringing the ball out towards midfield, something Vida never did (maybe he can't or was asked no to, I don't know) BUT he ain't nothing more than a flavor of the WC, something that will die down with time.




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11 Jun 2018 21:14:02
With Frankly, on this one. Pope is decent BUT plays in a defensive system and he is not asked to do all the things Karius is asked and CAN do as in play out the back, play the high line, sweep up, be proactive with the ball. We have no clue if Pope can do that cos he has not done that at Burnley cos he is not required to do that. IMO, if you cannot get a GK like Allisson who will sort the position out for the long term, might as well stick with Karius. The Pope' and Butlands of this world, are nothing but bandaids personally, I am not interested in.




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09 Jun 2018 18:53:50
Gibbs, it is not nonsense. What Corkycat is saying is correct based on the guidelines of the French Stock Exchange as well as the date the TW opens in France which is today, I gather.





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16 Aug 2018 21:27:39
Swisch, I watched a tonne of Juninho at Lyon, He did not have a wand for a right foot from set-pieces. He had a hand. He could strike a ball with the accuracy of Tom Brady throwing a pass 80 yards down the football field. True Legend!




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15 Aug 2018 11:07:11
As for Ronaldo tho, happy to see he is out of hospital. I don't know if he is the best striker ever BUT you can definitely make that argument cos for me, he was THE player of my youth. The one I watched from beginning to end of his career and one I learned from as I played the CF position as well. Ronaldo was simply, the BEST player I had ever seen in all my 35 years of watching football.




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14 Aug 2018 18:45:27
You had me in stitches there, Ed333. OP, if all else fails, just get her diamonds and Belgian chocolates. Trust me, she will say, "Allison who? ".


{Ed0333's Note - I’m not sure she’ll be too bothered about chocolates if diamonds are on the scene mate.



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14 Aug 2018 18:48:35
Poch like Simeone, Sampaoli, Berizzo are all Bielsa disciples. Brilliant manager YET a complete madman.




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14 Aug 2018 18:43:42
Irish Rover, "This team has never gotten 2nd before". What on earth does that even mean? What does coming second get you exactly? I know, it gets you first place in LoserLand. Rafa bottled the PL that season like BR after him, plain and simple. We were ahead at Christmas with Chelsea, Arsenal and to a lesser extent, Utd as a non factor. What happened next? He started hyping himself up and getting into public rants about the owners and airing our dirty laundry. Then, we started drawing games cos Rafa would make strange subs, saving players for the next CL game instead of securing the win and then the game would end in a draw. Remember that?

Also, you say we got 86 points with 27 goals against. You conveniently forgot to mention that tho we only lost twice that season, we drew ELEVEN times that season which eventually cost us the PL cos Rafa often played not to lose with his tactics and would rather draw a game than lose it. Rafa was also useless in the transfer market and Ed has alluded to that as well.

IMO, Klopp's team currently, would wipe the floor with Rafa's team of '09 cos that team does not have the legs to match this team and that front 2 of SG/ Nando are NOT even in the same league as the front 3 we have now, the deadliest front 3 in all of Europe n arguably better than City's in the PL. Rafa won things with us and credit to him BUT the revisionist history of his tenure is becoming pathetic as people seem to act as if the rest of us have short memories. WE DON'T! As Ed01 eloquently said, Rafa was a HUGE part of the problem and even I knew that back then.