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13 Oct 2018 22:54:47
Hi Reds and Ed's,

Just caught the last half hour of the Holland v Germany game (Sorry guys but I LOVE inter'l footie) VVD scored the first goal in a 3-0 win and was a rock at the back for the last 30 mins at least. Wiji? If people want to know why many of us reds are frequently frustrated with him as a midfielder, check out his goal and judge for yourself. Now, I don't know if his role has changed for us or if Klopp wants him to do a diff. job BUT he should be doing MORE of this as in, his individual brilliance that led to his goal.


1.) 14 Oct 2018 01:06:52
Really was a superb goal! Van Dijk was excellent as well but what has happened to Germany?

2.) 14 Oct 2018 01:30:43
I think the important part to remember here is that the players obviously want to play them. Sure we technically pay their salaries but I can hardly blame them for wanting to represent their country. I know I'd be the first on the bus if the opportunity arose.

{Ed0333's Note - maybe if the respective football federations had to pay the footballers while they were away on international duty we’d see how many players would be called up. International friendlies have to be one of the most monotonous and mind numbing situations in life.

3.) 14 Oct 2018 05:44:43
100% agreed BRover. The lad has far more to his game than he shows us on a consistent basis. I posted only Friday saying he’s at his best when driving at the opposition, and look what happens when he does.

4.) 14 Oct 2018 08:11:18
100% agree ed333.

5.) 14 Oct 2018 09:15:29
I know what you mean brover. Sometimes I wonder if gini should play that advanced midfield role. Ya know the fekir role. Maybe he doesn't have quite the passing range (although I've seen him play some beauties) but he has an eye for goal. That goal, was it last season or the one before? last game of the season, at home. Nil nil for 30 minutes, maybe more then he got through, to the right and put it in the top corner. I proper cheered that goal. A field roared! Needed the points to qualify. I think migs pulled off a world ie to keep us on front. He was on form then.

Well done vvd, best defender in the world.

6.) 14 Oct 2018 09:34:08
Would love to see Gini do more of that for us clearly has the ability, we definitely need more goals from midfield this season.

7.) 14 Oct 2018 10:20:19
Wijnaldum has been one of our best players this season. He’s asked to do a different role for the Netherlands, so he probably does get in more goal scoring positions. If anything it’s testament to his versatility that he can easily adapt.

8.) 14 Oct 2018 10:36:50
I agree with all of that BRover apart from the loving the international football bit. It’s ruined my whole weekend.

9.) 14 Oct 2018 10:36:50
I agree with all of that BRover apart from the loving the international football bit. It’s ruined my whole weekend.

10.) 14 Oct 2018 11:19:55
Players say they love playing for there country I wonder if a rule came in to say the club's stopped paying players while there away how many would still turn up.

{Ed002's Note - This is one the usual ideas of Liverpool fans to look at a way to wreck everything that they whine, bitch and moan about. Embarrassing and stupid - yet again.}

11.) 14 Oct 2018 11:43:47
It was just a theory don't take it too heart.

{Ed002's Note - It is disrespectful to players who donate their international income to charity.}

12.) 14 Oct 2018 13:23:39
Give this new format a chance folks, it’s probably going to become a lot more interesting as the years go on. When I first got into football, internationals were what drew me in first. I’m disappointed in Ireland at the mo under the current regime but for the majority of English fans here, I think it likely that they’ll become further invested in the current structure.

I think the level of England will be found out very quickly. And I I thinking will be relegated. (I also think Ireland will be relegated too) it’ll hurt at first but when England eventually make it back to competing among the elite they will be there on merit. Just a thought.

13.) 15 Oct 2018 00:00:50
i don't mind international friendlies. actually think its good for players to get breaks away from the grind of the premier league and the normal routine. I wish I could have more regular breaks in my day job. The bit I wonder about is the frequency of the windows. Other than that I think its fine.

14.) 15 Oct 2018 09:45:04
There was a time when national teams were far more important than the local teams (60's, 70's and 80's I guess) . Times have changed and I suppose it's just evolution (fueled by the billions poured into local teams since then) . But I'll bet my last sterling pound that the sentiments expressed on this page would be vastly different if this page had been around in 1966. 😁.

15.) 15 Oct 2018 19:36:51
Spot on, ArAy1969.



09 Oct 2018 20:23:43
Hi fellow reds and Ed's and 'Hope all is well.

There has been a lot of debate about how we are playing right now which I agree, is not at optimum levels BUT what continues to do my head in is the seeming arrogance of many in the fan base who are either arrogant (thinking we should be beating any and ever team) or are just plain negative (focusing on what is going on instead of being thankful for the big things going right for us) .

Anyone read or listen to Pep's comments after the game? He has WAY more respect for Klopp and our club than some of these "fans" do. I mean, this is a guy who has said that he won't change his way of playing in the PL ever YET Klopp is the only one he would change his tactics for and be more conservative. What changed? It's cos Klopp and those players have earned that respect. As for Klopp, Pep made it clear in their documentary on Amazon, that Klopp permanently leaves in his head. The guy was worried about us during and Everton game (Yeah, ed25. That's how much Pep thinks about your lot, lol), going mental in the changing room. Now that is BOSS.

Also, I just learnt that this is not the first time Pep has changed his whole system to contain Klopp. He did it at Bayern as well. Oh and by the way, Klopp has earned the respect of not just Pep, but of Sarri and Poch (who has only beaten Klopp once in NINE games) . These guys know what's going on. Isn't it about time more of our fans start doing the same and appreciating how well we have done even so far this season EVEN THO, more improvement is needed? Why always focus on the things that are not going right instead of the things that are working.

This reminded me of the Roma game at Anfield. Instead of focusing on the 5 we scored, many fans were throwing a tantrum cos we conceded two goals. Really? That'is all you got to moan about? We have just come thru a cruel run of games BUT cos we lost a game vs Napoli in the last minute and a Chelsea Cup game where we were the better team, the baby is out with the bath water for some, already. Did people really think Chelsea and Napoli could not beat us? where did the self-entitlement come from? People talk about last season and how good we were BUT fail to recognize that we only started our good run in late October when we pummeled Maribor 7-0 away from home and got better as the season progressed esp. from Jan.

So based on that, we are already miles ahead of where we were last season where we were crap defensively and we did not even have a front 3 as Salah was not as good and our defence was a sieve with a clown as a GK. Do people want to go back to that? I definitely don't. What I'm trying to say here is that we are in a position that even Klopp himself said he would pay serious dough for us to get to with the schedule we had. Why can't we just be happy for that while at the same time, hoping that our boys will get going again in a dynamic way or is that too much to ask? Multiple things can be correct at the same time and that is my main point here. Sorry for the long post, Ed's.



1.) 11 Oct 2018 22:41:36
Top post BRover.

2.) 11 Oct 2018 22:45:45
Well this can't be more correct. Some fans, if they are even real ones, will always find something to moan abaout. I even belive if we win the title by goal difference there will be moaners "why we didn't win more so we can be winners by pints" . Sadly this is the world we live now, most of the people look at 4the others and what they achive and can't be happy for themself and what they can achive is the same with football sadly.

3.) 11 Oct 2018 23:15:52
Martolfc if we win by goal difference I’d be over the moon. Losing by goal difference on the other hand would be too much to take. We’ve been close maybe twice in the last 20 years. Once under Rafa and heartbreakingly close under Rodgers. If goal difference decides it I hope it favours us cause coming that close and getting nothing would destroy me: I’d definitely prefer winning on points. The pints will flow later.

4.) 11 Oct 2018 23:25:52
Thanks BRover, great post.

5.) 11 Oct 2018 23:51:04
How about we just ignore the negative comments? If people don't bite, the bait goes off after a while. I'm not talking about well thought out posts that reflect someone's valid points, I'm talking about the one or two lines that people throw out there just to wind people up.

6.) 12 Oct 2018 00:58:24
Nice one Brover, great post that mate, keep them coming.

7.) 12 Oct 2018 01:05:42
Same for me Scootinio! Just gave an example with the goal difference tho. And yeah I prefer on points aswell xaxa.

8.) 12 Oct 2018 03:38:02
EXACTLY how I have been feeling about our beloved Reds! Its ok to be negative occasionally but the posters that do my head in ( Harry, Negativeredwalter etc) are constantly negative and just want their opinion heard. If I hear Harry bang on about our midfield one more time I am going to hammer my testicles flat. Great post Brover!

9.) 12 Oct 2018 06:37:39
Nice post BRover. All hail King Klopp! (Can we win some Titles and Cups now, please. Just to make it all official? 😉)

10.) 12 Oct 2018 08:57:14
Its a good point, if you can't enjoy the start we've made with added excitement for the coming months then you shouldn't call yourself a fan, we look a top side and have the manager to match, its exciting times at anfield. burkey has a good point too in that 'fans' that can't see any optimism around our team probably just fish for bites and enjoy winding people up, i enjoy kramers digs at nonesence posts but if you ignore them they go away eventually or at least hold no value. Football changes every few week of the season and nobody knows what things will look like at Christmas but so far so good, let's see how far the lads can go whilst being supportive, win or lose.

11.) 12 Oct 2018 10:21:35
Excellent post BRover mate.

12.) 12 Oct 2018 10:21:33
Some good points made there brover. Great post.

13.) 12 Oct 2018 13:31:48
Good post BRover it’s pretty much how I feel about us every season but this season in particular.
There are a few things not quite clicking this season Salah, the front 3, goals from midfield etc. but we are still top and looking like a formidable outfit.
Imagine what we’ll do when it does click we’ll be unstoppable.
I think it’s interesting what Ed1 said about us maybe playing within ourselves early on as the sports science guys have detected burnout towards the end of the season. If that’s the case I can’t wait for Klopp to take the shackles off we are in for one hell of a ride!

14.) 12 Oct 2018 14:57:15
Great post BRover, backed up your points well and I agree completely.

15.) 12 Oct 2018 14:55:32
Dear reddo, I am sorry if I upset you with my posts. Its not my aim to be annoying.
We all have different views its what makes this site the best.
Anyhow all the best.

16.) 12 Oct 2018 17:41:01
Don't be apologetic for having an opinion Walter mate, you're entitled to it as much as anybody else.



01 Oct 2018 20:43:36
Anyone seen Suso's goal for AC Milan this week? A true belter. Check it out, guys.


1.) 01 Oct 2018 23:42:48
Just watched it. He shrugged his man off well but he’s still a bit lightweight for the prem for me. Classy player though always liked him.

2.) 02 Oct 2018 00:32:43
“Lightweight for the prem”, is said a lot but I’ve never understood it. David Silva is one of the prem’s greatest ever players and he’s certainly lightweight. Lanzini is another that stands out as having made a solid career (though he’s obviously nowhere near silva’s Level) despite his frame. Quality always shines through as long as the player isn’t afraid of getting involved despite said frame, Suso pressed and got involved even at youth level. I agree he’s more suited to Serie A, but he would have definitely made it in the prem.

3.) 02 Oct 2018 08:27:31
Watched the majority of the match. I wouldn't take any player from either team. How ac won that match is a joke. They're bloody awful and sassoulo wasted chance after chance.

4.) 02 Oct 2018 08:43:11
I get what you’re saying Eamonsf but the prem is a physical league. For every ‘lightweight’ player that makes it there are ones that don’t. Aspas, Rossi, Forlan. Solanke is a prime example, physically dominated the youth leagues and is now struggling. It all depends on the player, his coaching, technical ability, fitness regime, etc.

5.) 02 Oct 2018 11:41:32
Watching Brooks the other day I am sure suso would have made it in the Prem! Good little player. sweet left foot!

6.) 02 Oct 2018 20:28:34
Spot on, Harry. Suso would have made it in the PL, IMO as well and to me the "he's too lightweight" stuff is just a red herring. I ain't buying that. Suso would have made it in the PL then and would make it here now. "PL is a physical league". And what do you call the Serie A? it may not have a lot of pace BUT it has been a very physical league for decades where the emphasis is NOT to concede.



28 Sep 2018 23:47:38
Ed25 in our of our post Chelsea Cup game threads, you called Fabinho a lemon. Could you please, explain how you worked that out sir? Cheers, man.


{Ed025's Note - i seen quite a bit of him for monaco brover and never thought he would fit in to the liverpool style, i personally think he was a bad buy and wont get much game time (hence the lemon) mate..

1.) 29 Sep 2018 09:11:29
Ed025 has never been too keen on lemons bruver as it sours the taste of his southern comfort, in fact he was never that keen on st clemence either.


{Ed025's Note - im not that keen on things that are bitter and sour mick...which is why im not a mourinho fan mate.. :)

2.) 29 Sep 2018 09:57:27
I am surprised ed riting him off after not even ten games played for us though, too make a proper judgement on him as we all know this league is a culture shock too most an takes time too adapt, hope he settles or it's a waste of a lot of money when we could of got someone like doucore of Watford who knows the league an in my opinion is a beast .

{Ed025's Note - its only my opinion hailstones and i have been wrong before..1978 i think it was mate.. :)

3.) 29 Sep 2018 10:23:24
He's won a fair few trophies Ed, but once he dismantled that Chelsea team he had in his 1st season with the four wingers as options, well, that's sacrilege for me.

He should be known as Blakey, cos he parks the bus and slings anyone and everyone under at any given opportunity.


{Ed025's Note - when he first came to england i was a massive fan mick, he was witty with a refreshing touch of arrogance, in the past few years he has turned into this miserable obnoxious negative tyrant who i cant stand and the sooner this league sees the back of him the better mate..

4.) 29 Sep 2018 09:28:25
Surely Everton should have signed him then as they are the team of 'bitters'! (Banter! ) .

5.) 29 Sep 2018 09:29:47
Someone need a lemon juice then? 😂😂.

6.) 29 Sep 2018 10:54:58
I remember you telling me last season that Spanish striker you signed from Malaga would be the next big thing. Now I can’t even remember his name.
Seems you are wrong more than you’re letting on Ed ;-)

{Ed025's Note - i think you mean sandro ramirez bobby, i said he had potential mate, but he turned out to be a lemon as well.. :)

7.) 29 Sep 2018 11:13:01
That’s the fella! I think you must’ve had your blue tinted glasses on that day Ramirez was as big a lemon as you will ever see.

{Ed025's Note - i cant disagree bobby, but we only paid £5m for him which softens the blow a bit mate..

8.) 29 Sep 2018 11:27:56
Well said on Mourinho ed. The sooner Utd are rid of him and Pogba the better. That great club is being embarrassed almost daily by two clowns who think they are bigger than it.

{Ed025's Note - i have to agree bardzo mate..



26 Sep 2018 14:17:48
Hi fellow Reds and Redettes! Great result at the weekend and hopefully, we can keep it going vs Chelsea tonight. Been away on vacay with my fam in the States so have not been posting for a while. I just learned that Utd lost to Derby with Harry Wilson scoring a free kick that Roberto Carlos would be proud of. Just saw the free kick now and Good Heavens, what a belter! That kid has got talent and I hope if he can improve his game in the parts that Klopp wants, he can have a future here. Up Da Pool!


1.) 26 Sep 2018 15:31:11
Lovely to have you back, mate!

Please don’t ever, EVER use the word ‘vacay’ on this or any other site again 😀😂.

2.) 26 Sep 2018 16:40:05
I think two of the toughest games of the season are coming up, Chelsea and City away. Even if we lose them we can still win the league. City away may be the only team we lose to all year.

3.) 26 Sep 2018 16:49:57
It's City at home, mate.

4.) 26 Sep 2018 17:04:07
We will win both games 💪.

5.) 26 Sep 2018 17:22:24
Good to have you back BR. Big games coming up for sure. Can we win both? Definitely. Would set us up nicely with the run into Xmas.

6.) 26 Sep 2018 18:01:48
Oh, if it's city at home then we can't lose. Massive game. I can't see them winning at a field.

Changing the subject, I've been reading fans reaction to Jose saying after his 6th penalty taker he is worried by Jones and Bailey. People are saying "did he really say that? " and "he always throws his players under the bus"

Maybe Jose shouldn't have mentioned names but it wouldn't really have mattered if he just said "he is worried after his 6th kicker" everyone would have known he meant the cbs. He was asked about the penalties and gave an honest answer. Who doesn't worry once your best penalty takers have been and its down to the dcm and the lb etc. I hate mourinio, always have, he's touched, he really is special. But I'm defending him on this one. It's been blown out of proportion.

Utd have Been in turmoil since fergie left and the fans are losing it like we did on the 90s, so used to winning and then fighting for 4th place.

For the first time in years we are the bigger and better club.

I predict in 5 years we will be firmly back on our perch.

5 times!

7.) 26 Sep 2018 18:09:35
Thanks for the compliments, guys. I also believe that we can win both City and Chelsea games cos a) Pep is terrified of Klopp as he has Pep scarred for life and b) Chelsea got their first real test vs WH and had it not been Yarmolenko fluffing his lines, they would have been deservedly beaten.

All in all, if we play with the determination and intelligence (and hopefully better decision-making in front of goal) like we did vs Spurs then we have every chance of picking at the very worst 2 points from those games even tho I think we wil beat City at home.

8.) 26 Sep 2018 18:35:20
Welcome back BRover mate, hope you had a brill time away.

9.) 26 Sep 2018 18:47:57
Mane man the derby cb had no problem what's so ever in taking his pen and scored it! There is plenty of cbs that have took pens in past and scored, so don't see where u are coming from mate. At end of day it's a kick from 12 yards and the best score and miss it is what it is a lottery.

10.) 27 Sep 2018 00:28:44
Hendo's brother. I'm talking about people's reaction. To Jose saying "I was worried after our 6th kick, worried about Jones and Bailey" people are goi g mad as bout it on twitter and that and giving Jose a pasting when in fact he just answered a question. Nothing about who I think should take penalties. I'd be happy if van dijk stood up and took one. Danny agger used to score pens. I have got a problem with it.

11.) 27 Sep 2018 00:47:25
City at home!




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23 Jul 2018 14:23:22
Spot on, Ed02. I am not impressed with him either esp. with the fact that Lovren is the better CB and he would not partner Lovs over VVD either as VVD is clearly light years away from him as well. Makes ZERO sense to me as well.




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23 Jul 2018 14:21:02
Meyer is not good enough for us anymore. He would not get in ahead of Fab, Naby and Hendo anyway and for a squad player, we already have Gini, Milner and Lallana.




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18 Jul 2018 19:59:12
Vida is is decent defender and nothing more. Lovren made him look very good at the WC cos well, he can't pass out the back, lacks pace and is quite clumsy. Lovren was the one passing out the back and bringing the ball out towards midfield, something Vida never did (maybe he can't or was asked no to, I don't know) BUT he ain't nothing more than a flavor of the WC, something that will die down with time.




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11 Jun 2018 21:14:02
With Frankly, on this one. Pope is decent BUT plays in a defensive system and he is not asked to do all the things Karius is asked and CAN do as in play out the back, play the high line, sweep up, be proactive with the ball. We have no clue if Pope can do that cos he has not done that at Burnley cos he is not required to do that. IMO, if you cannot get a GK like Allisson who will sort the position out for the long term, might as well stick with Karius. The Pope' and Butlands of this world, are nothing but bandaids personally, I am not interested in.




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09 Jun 2018 18:53:50
Gibbs, it is not nonsense. What Corkycat is saying is correct based on the guidelines of the French Stock Exchange as well as the date the TW opens in France which is today, I gather.





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19 Oct 2018 19:22:55
Spot on, Squizza. Rafa's defensive nature cost us the league that season, end of. I have NEVER bought the whole schstick/ excuses about the owners stifling him (which was true to an extent) and not letting him buy players. He bought a whiole bunch of dross when he WAS given money so that was down to him and nothing more.

The fact was that we were top till Jan BUT it was the 11 draws (vs low block teams) was what cost us. Rafa would rather play not to lose sometimes instead of going for the win. He would often play two sitting DM's at home vs the likes of Hull, Wigan, Birmingham etc and then we are surprised we got draws, all 11 of them. The hope now is that Klopp can get it done this season so here's to hoping.




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18 Oct 2018 21:29:51
Brilliant read and analysis, Ed. I had posted on an earlier thread on this same issue and w/ o even blinking, I said that this team is better than the '09 team, hands down esp. now that we have a better GK, defence and depth in the team. However, the way you analysed both team (awash with pace) in the article was pin-point and bar the midfield (no one can argue with Xabi and SG) of the 0'09 team, Klopp's team is way better in near every other dept. I mean, imagine Carra, Skrtel, Hyppia (the later two were great), going against the relentless movement and guile of Salah, Bobbie and Mane? That would be epic.

Also, Rafa only had Utd to contend with, just as BR only had City to contend with and they screwed up mainly due to their arrogance and ego (esp. BR) BUT the bar is WAY higher for Klopp now cos he has near 4 teams to contend with hence, his margin for error is minute. Hope he can succeed were the others failed. YNWA!


{Ed001's Note - 4 teams? Surely it is only City to contend with?}



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18 Oct 2018 20:23:44
Ismail Sarr of Rennes (brilliant at the WC for Senegal) is another one to watch for, I think.




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18 Oct 2018 20:22:40
Loved Benayoun as a player. Not only his talent and ability BUT most of all, his work rate, work ethic and relentless attitude to the cause. Great player and a gentleman.




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17 Oct 2018 18:05:26
Drogie, your post about Fergie, meaningless friendlies (whatever the heck that means) and injuries (you know, a work hazard for pro athletes) and all that, makes very little sense and lacks any type of logic and nuance. BTW, what Fergie did about 20 years ago would NEVER fly now under the current inter'l football rules.