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08 Feb 2018 09:59:23
MK, I just read your article about Hendo and bro, take a bow. That was an unbelievable piece of work, right there. I totally loved it. Not just cos of the way it was written.

It was filled with nuance, context, intelligence, and very clear-eyed. Your full description of Hendo both past and present, is one I fully agree with esp. with the part where when Hendo is taking it slow and controlling possession, the haters say he's sideways passing whereas the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Pep himself, did made a career out of doing that in Barcelona BUT for them, they say they are controlling the tempo. This is why anyone screaming at Hendo to stop sideways passing, needs to take a day off and learn the game of football. All in all, great read my friend. Keep them coming. YNWA!

BRover

1.) 08 Feb 2018 10:13:42
Well said BRover, I agree it was a fantastic piece. Looking forward to the Firmino one.


2.) 08 Feb 2018 10:34:24
Cheers lads. Glad you enjoyed the read.

Just to be clear, i have no problem with people
A) thinking Henderson is a bad player
B) thinking Henderson is a bad captain
C) thinking Henderson should be replaced by a better/ fitter player.

However the sideways passing argument needs to stop, frankly. It is total nonsense that makes people look silly. This is a player who in his 5 seasons before switching to a defensive role, matched the likes of Ozil, Silva and De Bruyne in terms of goals he was creating.

Just look at some of his more memorable assists. A 50 yard through ball for Sterling vs Southampton, a 40 yard through ball for Salah vs Spurs, a back heel nut meg assist for Lallana etc. This is not a player who can only play short sideways passes, and when he does do that, he is doing it to change the tempo or switch play.

I will happily listen to arguments about Henderson not being good enough because of his finishing, set pieces, tackling etc. Even his aerial prowess isn't great for a 6ft bloke. He definitely has weaknesses that percent him from being world class.

Passing his not one of his weaknesses though and people are still jumping on the Alan Shearer/ Joe Allen bandwagon with regards to that particular sideways point. When there is an opening for a forward pass to a player who has the time and space to safely receive the ball, Henderson will play a forward pass, and he has done this time and time again. However, he will not try and force a pass that isn't there, or play a team mate into trouble. I don't expect opposition fans to realise this, but the guys who watch him every week should be I'm partial enough to judge him for themselves and see that his weaknesses lie elsewhere.


3.) 08 Feb 2018 10:53:49
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Auto correct is a nightmare on a windows phone!

Just remember though lads, everyone is entitled to an opinion if they can back it up with an explanation, and there are some perfectly reasonable arguments as to why some people don't rate Henderson. The sideways point may be mute, but i still cringe watching his corners!

Either way, massively under rated player in general, for me. I'll do a draft on Firmino and see if i think it's worth writing properly. Like Henderson, he is hugely under rated for some reason.


4.) 08 Feb 2018 11:11:15
MK, I don't mind people saying Hendo is a bad player either BUT if your reasons are the same low hanging fruit nonsense of "sideways [passing", "he does not take a game over" (who does that from the #6 position), or that "he lacks the influence of SG" then to me, you are talking porkies and your reasons become irrelevant to me as they lack context and perspective. Every player is flawed and needs to work on their weak points BUT using a "special" bar to rate Hendo knowing fully well, he is not that type of player, is what I find disingenuous and dishonest.


5.) 08 Feb 2018 11:23:49
Great Article MK, a find myself constantly defending Henderson's contribution to the team.

He really is "the engine that could" as you put it. To come back time and time again from injuries like that and slot into the team like he never left. He epitomises the term "True professional" for me.

If any of you get time, take a look at his highlight reel on youtube, I don't say this to try and sway peoples opinions on him but just as point that he has one of the best goal reels I have seen from a player.


6.) 08 Feb 2018 11:36:11
I'll check it out, Nosh.


7.) 08 Feb 2018 12:07:32
The hendo article was brilliant mate, am just looking forward to the Firmino one now MK haha!


8.) 08 Feb 2018 12:14:50
Agreed BRover. Different players and different personalities, playing in different teams.

Thank you for the feedback Noshbag. Have to be honest, i don't think I've seen a Henderson goals compilation. I've seen a YouTube video on him. I may even have shared it on here. But to be honest, i can remember some of his goals clearly.

The one he put in the top corner against Man City at Anfield is my favourite. I was in the stadium that day. £80 well spent, because Coutinho put a cracker in at the other end after half time!


9.) 08 Feb 2018 12:25:38
Cheers Welsh. I started a very similar piece on Craig Bellamy months ago, which i forgot about. Should be completed over the next week or so. May interest you as a Welshman.

Firmino one will take some time as I'll have to research his earlier years. The Henderson stuff almost all came from memory. This is the reason why my brain doesn't have room to remember to Mrs birthday. 30th of February i think?


10.) 08 Feb 2018 12:28:00
Hendo isn't the only midfielder to be maligned with false accusations.

During his time at Bayern, Toni Kroos was known as "Sideways Toni".

The lack of appreciation was one of the reasons he moved on.


11.) 08 Feb 2018 12:28:52
Agree MK - slightly misty eyed but agreed with you post in its entirety, I remember the moment Hendo got that red and I thought ‘oh here we go’ as he was so integral to the momentum we had in midfield in 13/ 14. We looked toothless without him and SG was badly exposed defensively. Even now his game against Citeh showed exactly how his passing from midfield is critical compared to the likes of Gini, Milner or Can (all decent players) .

As for passing and creating chances, I’ve always thought his long passing is vastly under-rated and I would back him 9 times out of 10 to ply a dangerous long ball in behind/ through a defense or out wide above anyone in the squad. He’s also scored his fair share of long range shots (like that vs. Chelsea) and his whipped crosses from midfield to the back post have been the making for more than a few chances. Less so perhaps now stuck at no.6 but he’s more creative and dangerous than any of Milner, Gini or Can.

The only problem I have with him now are (100% agree with you here) is if he’s exposed in midfield with a 1-1 or 2-1 running at him, he doesn’t have the defensive nous of a Kante or similar true defensive mid to break down play. He needs midfielders ahead of him doing their jobs right so he can press before the player has time to turn and run at him. He’s not the best tackler in the world once the player has turned.

Likewise his injuries are a real problem for the squad for consistency, hopefully he can shake the bad run he’s had and his and Keita can form a solid partnership together next season.


12.) 08 Feb 2018 12:41:20
I did not know that travellingmike! Shocking really. Kroos was fantastic even at Bayern. Thank you for that interesting insight though mate. Says it all about the false accusations!

Very good post SGred. Agree with it all. I'm glad I'm not the only one to pick up on Henderson's weakness when people run at him. That is why i personally would've liked a destroyer alongside him. It would also give Henderson the freedom to play 10-20 yards further forward when we are in possession.

I highly doubt Klopp will change his system though so as you say, we just need to get better players ahead of him than Milner, Can and Wijnaldum so that his weakness isn't exposed and he can focus on what he is good at. I think he could be great with Keita too. Keita is very clever with regards to tactical fouls, which should in theory stop opposition players getting a free run at Henderson on a regular basis. Fingers crossed.


13.) 08 Feb 2018 12:51:58
Great read on Hendo MK, glad I wasn’t on the beers tonight and could stay focused enough to get through it!


14.) 08 Feb 2018 13:49:00
Cheers Swish 😂.


15.) 08 Feb 2018 14:43:30
MK, thought that Hendo s best ever goal was the long range shot V Chelsea away, went into the top right hand, goalie had no chance . brilliant goal .


16.) 08 Feb 2018 18:40:42
No-one's mentioned the Everton legend, Vinny Samways.


17.) 08 Feb 2018 22:39:57
Did I just read someone compare Iniesta with Jordan Henderson? Give me a break. That little bald headed Spaniard is nowhere near as good as our captain 🙄 😂.


18.) 09 Feb 2018 11:19:56
The faster we get rid of hendo the better. Forget his 'controlling the game, slow tempo, sideways passing' he adds nothing to our team from a captain's point of view. He doesn't have the ability to influence a game or our players when we need it most. I could handle his lethargic looking running and sideways passing but I can't stand to see him wearing that captain's armband when he is clearly not captain material.


19.) 09 Feb 2018 11:40:57
Yeah well said mk. I know stats can be mis leading but hendo's stats put him in the top 15 cms on Europe. If he is not a world class cm he is mot far off it.


 

 

07 Feb 2018 19:30:10
Yo Ed, were we ever interested in Kerem Demirbay of Hoff in Jan? Cheers.

BRover

{Ed002's Note - No, he was never going to move in January.}


 

 

17 Jan 2018 19:28:11
What's up, fellas (and ladies)

I was just watching the Inside Anfield video on the City game and based on the exchanges that happened after the game in the tunnel, can I just say that I am very proud that Klopp is our manager. Not just cos of his managerial ability BUT for the fact that he is quite a statesman. His conduct with the City players and with Gundogan was heart warming to see. He hugged Gundogan like he he hugs our own players which shows a very human side of him that many of us can relate to.

Klopp was also VERY gracious in victory when speaking to Pep and so was Pep as well who along with his assistants, congratulated him on the victory and were just as gracious. Two truly class gentlemen. That shows that Pep respects Klopp and LFC and IMO, knows that something great is happening here and both seem to relish the challenge.

All in all, I'm proud that we are being managed by a man who tho flawed (who is not), is respectful (and respected, as a result), honorable, decent, and humble even in victory. Red Till I'm Dead!

BRover

1.) 17 Jan 2018 19:47:21
To be fair never been a big klopp fan. A bit too much emotions and joking about etc. This season he is slightly and slowly changing my opinion of him.


2.) 18 Jan 2018 01:58:10
Gee Walter, you really are negative! Lol.


3.) 18 Jan 2018 06:02:21
I think Walter you need to feel the love. Please accept my hug ()


4.) 18 Jan 2018 06:03:22
This is how football should be. Full throttle on the pitch, respect of the pitch.

Not the other way around how mourinho likes it.


5.) 18 Jan 2018 06:30:34
I think Walter needs a klopp hugg.


 

 

16 Jan 2018 22:12:06
I just heard that Emre Can played ill vs City. If that is true then it did not show as he had a blinder. MAD PROPS to the lad cos he played his heart out in that game and was brilliant in the press. Take a bow, son.

BRover

1.) 16 Jan 2018 22:46:46
I don't rate him but he was excellent.


2.) 16 Jan 2018 23:33:10
Yeah Klopp said post-match the reason he brought him off was because he was ill even before the game.
I thought it was a huge mistake to take him off until I hears him say why lol.


3.) 17 Jan 2018 01:29:45
Even if he was ill, bringing on milner to control the midfield is never the answer.


 

 

16 Jan 2018 21:48:38
What's up, reds and Ed's,

Great result and the momentum is on our side going forward hopefully. I just wanted to comment on one thing that stood out to me in our approach to the game. I sum it in one word: TRUST. Klopp has his core beliefs and we all know what that or those are and he will NEVER deviate from them. Klopp trusted his ethos as in playing on the front foot, press City in their own half, force mistakes, play with flair, energy and bravery and then punish them when the chances come cos THEY WILL. Klopp trusted that we will do this and trusted that our back line and CB's would hold up vs their front line and if we are going to get beat, it will be on our terms BUT we won't get beat. Why? Cos we are the EFFING BEST at what we do (Spurs and Arsenal tried it and got slaughtered) and City will have no answer for us IF they play the way we know they will as in, passing out the back at every turn.

Well as the game went on, we all saw the courage, belief, guile, work ethic and team spirit we played with which was breathe-taking at times (I'm looking at you, Robbo) . But what I saw defensively and we are not getting enough credit for it by many in the media.

Our full backs kept Sane and Sterling quiet virtually ALL game (bar the goal) and our CB's shut down Aguero. And to cap it all, I observed that Lovren often stepped out from CB to press DeBruyne or Gundogan in midfield to win the ball. That takes some B*LLS to do for Klopp to tell the his CB to step up in midfield and press them high. The fact is that we dictated the way the game would be played and they shrunk when the going got tough. There were mistakes all over the shop at City that even Ederson made arguably 3 times more mistakes that Karius did. Go figure.

All in all, we should be proud of our boys for the courage they showed in taking the game to City and punching the bully in the mouth to gain our respect as respect if not earned, MUST be taken. We took ours. Red Till I'm Dead!

BRover

{Ed025's Note - good read that brover..


1.) 16 Jan 2018 22:21:24
I agree with all you said mate. Good observations. The team player brilliantly and I struggle to fault any of them overall. The only thing I’d say though would be the game finished 4-3 and 9 times out of 10 we turn up to the big games. There are still issues with our defence, the game should have been seen out at 4-1. We also need to make sure the same intensity is there against the lesser sides.


2.) 16 Jan 2018 22:23:38
great post Bro, spot on, the team bought into Klopps game plan, and wow, we looked the better team and it brought the best out of most of the players, and the fans also made it a game to remember too,
I am still buzzing, and think that the Ox and Robbo really made a name for themselves, just to keep on improving, and stay in the top four .


3.) 16 Jan 2018 23:36:39
Great post although it wouldn't surprise me if Klopp didn’t actually tell Lovren to press out of defence, he probably just did it because the midfield (specially after Can went off) gave little protection against their movements lol
But obviously Klopp didn’t tell him to stop so what you said about trust is true.
I just loved watching Klopp shouting at them to press after our 2nd and 3rd goal right from the off and the team listened straight away and it worked :D.


4.) 17 Jan 2018 02:09:59
Well if Mr. boring relaxed a bit and stopped flying towards shadows maybe we'd have had a more settled fribal 15.


5.) 17 Jan 2018 06:03:17
I also agree Liverpool are absolute fantastic at pressing good teams to mistakes and then take advantage of the mistakes. In that perspective we won't miss Coutinho that much, we got others who are better at pressing play. Makes me believe we can beat any team in CL even without Coutinho.

But the fact still remains we struggle against teams that park the bus. We got away with wins a couple more times this campaign do to getting first goal from a corner (Can) and a couple of times by individual brilliant efforts (Coutinho) that forced opposition to get out of the bus.
In this area i think Klopp still have a big challenge to overcome. Especially without Coutinho.


6.) 17 Jan 2018 07:22:57
I agree with you mostly. But it has to be said that the defense was great for 85 mins and then switched off collectively a little bit.

4-3 was an unfair reflection on us, we were much better. I totally agree that we should enjoy and celebrate the win but you need to be look at the negatives too and try to sort it out in future games.

3-3 at arsenal flattered them as well. The defense did not to justice with to our attack.


 

 

 

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12 Feb 2018 14:24:57
Lemar is not worth the 90m they are asking for which is why Klopp reportedly has walked away and frankly, I agree with him.

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28 Jan 2018 22:15:09
No Ron, it was not aimed at you BUT stop blaming Klopp for a Mane issue that may or may not be an issue as you know as mush as I do about what really happened with both men vs Chelsea, which is NOTHING.

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28 Jan 2018 19:23:58
Or you could support Mane during his sticky patch BUT I know that will be way too hard as it is way easier to bring someone down than build them up. Shameless!

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07 Jan 2018 22:14:48
My sentiments exactly, Brisbane.

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06 Jan 2018 21:57:29
I'm not sure Klopp knows who his first choice is right now so I don't believe what you may have been told, Kimos.

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19 Feb 2018 18:52:08
Spot on, Barry. There is nothing to be gained by referring to the past. You take the lessons and use them to form a better future.

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19 Feb 2018 18:49:39
George, I thought we already moved on from Lemar, Pulisic is a non starter and not sure Fekir is even a target. Apart from all that, If Klopp wants a very good player, I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing and how he will use them. The fact of the matter is that NOBODY plays all the games under Klopp as that has been made abundantly clear this season. I would not worry too much about all that, IMO. Our guy knows what he's doing.

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19 Feb 2018 16:12:31
TIA, he was already playing that position with the U23's so you may be right even tho, I don't think it is his best position.

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19 Feb 2018 15:01:26
ComeonredMen, we already have Ings and Solanke for that if Studge and Origi do leave which is likely. You don't replace players who normally can't get a game cos that is how you assemble a bloated and unbalanced squad. What is needed now is for them to get a real chance and give them time to grow BUT I guess that is poison for some fans who want a striker gone cos he's not yet Harry Kane.

Origi scored 22 goals in two seasons as THIRD choice YET many got on his back, as if you will find a third choice striker with those types of stats in the PL. Spoiler alert: You won't. People have been getting on Solanke's back as well while forgetting that he's still a kid learning the game at the highest level while Ings needs a LOT of time to get back to his pre injury LFC days where he was scoring goals.

As for the CB', people should stop singling out the CB's for criticism cos every man and his dog knows that it is not how great your CB's are individually BUT how they form a great partnership where they know each other's moves, tendencies, strengths and weaknesses in a way that they compliment each other. Lovren/ VVD would make a good partnership esp. with a GK like Karius who they trust and know will always communicate effectively with them.

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19 Feb 2018 12:27:22
RBL, you must have mistaken me for someone else. Bobbie as BD said, IS the Klopp system.

BRover