23 Oct 2022 23:45:43
So now I understand the true meaning of YNWA. When the team are down, just call for the manager's and some players' heads to be chopped, eventhough these are the men that brought you trophies (lots of them) after so many years of droughts.

This is the real definition of criticism when the team are down; calling them garbage, stupid and all sorts of names. And yeah, the same group of people who brought in trophies (lots of them) after so many years of droughts.

Hail them when they are doing good, and condemn them when they are not doing good. I understand now.

I have different definitions of YNWA and criticism. Maybe I'm not a true Liverpool supporter.

1.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 05:22:03
Trouble is when you set certain standards. Then play well below them it is not really good enough. that's a professionalism issue. What sport is best at, is allowing supporters to tune out of every day life problems for a couple of hours and engross themselves in the team they love. So when the team doesn't apply themselves, and or play well below the set standards people are entitled to not be happy. Certain name calling etc is never right. But to not be happy and want change is a normal human response.

2.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 06:06:29
I'm a Liverpool fan and each time they step out on the pitch, they'll get my fullest support. But you have to admit that with the way things are going now, change is definitely needed.

I believe that our problems are down to tactics and the way the players are being asked to play. There is no way that suddenly, so many players are just playing badly. Injuries and players not being good enough may have played a part in our bad form but really, these are the same players that we have lauded in the past as being the best. The drop off in form is absolutely insane.

Would new players coming in help? Tbh, I'm not very sure on that.

3.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 06:40:00
You bought a car that served you well for a couple of years but now it can't go above 3rd gear. Do you repair it (get rid of broken parts), buy a new one or stick with it cause it served you well in the past?

4.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 06:59:32
I certainly agree that the criticism can at times be OTT but its also football, change is expected even to the best of players and dare I say managers. It doesn't mean the players/ manager that brought us success aren't respected and certainly will be in the future. It could be argued that keeping these players longer than we should when they are in demise has a negative effect in the fans eyes. Maybe such fans actually care MORE about the club and don't want to see it languishing in mid table?
Chucking out the old YNWA mantra for me, makes you think that you put yourself in the higher echelons of fan support. Off course everyone should be a bit more level headed and think before they post vitriol.

5.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 07:35:30
I'm sorry Rover mate I strongly disagree with you here. There's no excuse for calling managers head when we have our first wobble in 7 yrs ?.

6.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 08:11:33
Of course criticism on here is OTT but then so is some of the pretentious talking down to others opinions.

In the last 7 years only 1 other club in England has had similar (or more in some comps) success than we have. Yes things feel like the end of the world now but imagine being a fan of a club that might only win 5 games a season.

We’re the self proclaimed best fans in the world but we’re also some of the most spoilt with what Klopp and the players have given us.

Not one single opinion on here, be it the most positive or negative has an outcome on the club and it shouldn’t have an outcome on others.

It’s all just an opinion at the end of the day and I’ll be honest some of the more out there ones are the most amusing ones to read.

7.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 08:14:24
It’s obviously not the first wobble. And we have won 2 major trophies in 7 years. Managers at many clubs get sacked if they can’t win the main trophies. Where are the posts calling for Klopp to go? I see loads telling Klopp he must change but not go.

8.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 08:08:06
@COffan, in answer to your facile comparison- if you had the money you might buy a new car. If you don’t have the money you stick with the tried and trusted car.

@TIR, of course it’s right to question what’s best for the club but if you have the answer ready made, what’s the point of asking the question?

9.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 08:08:12
Haizan is absolutely spot on. YNWA as long as the team is winning. Otherwise it's toys out the pram time, like small children having tantrums.

10.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 08:36:36
What’s your answer to fix the issue of looking like we won’t make top 4? Continue as we are and tell the players all is ok? With that approach we have zero chance.

These are mentality monsters after all can’t they take criticism and a kick up the backside? If you are not doing your job properly you have to be told.

11.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 08:44:35
How many clubs have won more Major trophies then us in last 5 yrs Mark? ???.

12.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 09:34:33
Real Madrid.

13.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 09:37:30
And a very poor Madrid side as well Kopfor. Man Ciy, Paris, Bayern,

14.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 09:59:44
JK23, what I really don't like is this new "superfan" and "supermoaner" divisive cr*p that has creeped into the pages the last year or so. We're always going to both win and lose games. It was always the case and it will always be the case. What's the point in trying to create divisions, factions, and compartmentalizing people? We have enough of that everywhere in daily life. Whether you are a positive fan or a negative fan (in terms of comments you make here) really doesn't matter because the moment you declare you're a LFC fan, we all have that one common goal and objective - winning games, trophies and titles. And along with that comes the YNWA part too (which people are bringing up also, more and more on these pages) .

Différence of opinion and debate is encouraged on here (which makes these pages great to read), but drawing a line on the sand and labelling people shouldn't be.

15.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 10:21:50
If everyone posted the same thing and everyone agreed there wouldn’t be a site at all. A very good post ArAy.

16.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 10:50:12
That just says everything mark ?? how many champions league they have won in last 5 years? ?.

17.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 10:58:29
Spot on ArAy mate. I have no problem with "constructive logical criticism" but seems we have got some fans here who literally Wait for things to go wrong so they can pounce here or else why would anyone in he's right mind question Klopp's success in last 5 yrs despite we have competed at the highest level consistently forgetting where we were before Klopp and how far we have come? ??.

18.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 11:08:23
Real Madrid more than us unfortunately ????.

19.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 11:27:39
Spot on Kopforever - The last time one of the posters appeared regularly was at the start of last season to decry the club for not signing Bissouma - a few poor (very poor) games this season and back they come with - for example. - very unconstructive comments about young players not living up to some imaginary, although never really explained, standards of play. Just my opinion, of course, and we all know that everybody is entitled to their opinion.

20.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 11:31:47
For me, it is the name-calling of players that gets me. You can be critical of the team and the manager and their performances. BUT to start calling players all types of wretched, immature and childish names, attacking them personally just to show that you care more about the team/ club than the next guy is what I find in terms of conduct, petty and childish like a new installment of the Mean Girls movie.

IMO Once I hear such things, I literally check out and am no longer interested whatever substance one has to say cos well, why would I engage with someone on the substance when all they post is their out of whack emotions?

21.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 13:48:07
It’s because we got to the top, that we so desperately want to stay there. I think most of us feel when Klopp goes we will struggle even more. I just want to make top 4 and fix the issues next year. But if we carry on this current path this season we will be playing Europa league football again. Then the job starts all over again.

22.) 24 Oct 2022
24 Oct 2022 14:38:37
Aray great points them mate.