29 Oct 2022 21:50:29
For me it's attitude

If you can bear the champions at home and then Ajax away - but lose to Forest and Leeds then that's because your performance level drops

Okay there are things wrong on the pitch (distance between the midfield 3 for example) but if everyone is putting 100% in then the performance is better than tonight

Maybe the bigger issue though is Pep needs to be further away from the first team.

1.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 21:57:36
It does seem like we only turn up for the big games, which is much like how we used to be about 10 years ago.

2.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:00:03
You can’t just praise Klopp when we win and slate his assistant when we lose. It’s ridiculous.

3.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:08:39
Agree it's a mentality / attitude issue.

We know these lads are (by and large) good players. And the constant suggestion that fellas who are around the 30 mark just can't run anymore is nonsensical imo.

So they just have to pulled back into the right frame of mind to give it their all every game again and not assume that just cos it's Leeds or Notts Forest they don't have to try.

4.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:11:52
Klopp seems utterly unable to resolve the problems we have, many of his making. I do think a conversation needs to be had with him about if he’s got the energy to turn this around as I’m not seeing it.

We all don’t want him to go but we are in a results business, if he can’t motivate the players we need to look elsewhere as much as it pains me to say it.

5.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:18:50
not sure its attitude tbh, city hadan off day, forrest and leeds are far better teams than ajax who are about league one level. this is surely the norm? . i do agree the players need to run around more and press more we ran 13km less than leeds today which is pathetic and they had loads of chances. but this just felt like eveyr single performance this season nunez misses sitters, defence is just wide open and non existent midfield.

6.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:20:02
Milner’s legs have gone and he’s absolutely no pace, Henderson’s legs are going, Thiago can’t run and never has been much of a runner, Fabinho isn’t what you’d call dynamic and never has been, ox, Keita and Arthur are crocks and Elliott, Carvalho and Jones aren’t really centre midfielders. But yeah, it’s all about mentality….

7.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:20:08
Sorry but no footballer should need to be pulled back into the right frame of mind. If you haven’t got it you don’t play. Simple.

That being said can we really criticise just the players when the fans at times are just as bad? The atmosphere at Anfield wasn’t exactly a cauldron was it.

8.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:21:20
It’s those damn 1945 kick offs. Players are exhausted by that time, all the training they’re doing.

9.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:22:48
Well Wassa if footballers were automatically in the right frame of mind all the time, then a significant number of well regarded managers wouldn't have had a career, cos their ability to man-manage and motivate was a significant contribution to their success.

Mr. Ferguson would be a good example. As would Klopp.

10.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:29:15
I agree with VVV. Legs have unfortunately gone in our midfield and a rebuild is needed. Klopp will need to give the owners an ultimatum and they have to back him. Klopp deserves that much for what he has done. However, losing back to back against the two bottom side teams is inexcusable.

11.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:34:29
There is a world of difference between motivating people to be better than perhaps their own limitations and a professional mindset you don’t deviate from.

Keane didn’t need Sir Alex to man manage him to turn up for any particular game.

That’s the difference between good footballers and elite footballers.

I didn’t really think the attitude was that bad. I didn’t see anybody hiding, didn’t see anybody walking through it. We were just rubbish.

12.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:39:18
Of course the players legs have gone. We can out work Man City in a one off game buts that’s our limit now. In normal PL matches we get our run, out fought. If people can’t see that Fabs and Hendo’s legs have gone then they must be watching a different team to me.

13.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:41:35
I think the answer is somewhere in between age of midfield and effort, players clearly elevated there performances against city and possibly in the champions league but can’t do this on a consistent basis. Players like Henderson, wijnaldum, Milner, Fabinho are not the most technical players and rely heavily on there power and intensity so when that goes all they have left is there technical ability and that just isint that high. For me the one player who you can point to and say that they aren’t trying there best is Fabinho! The need to get our midfield refreshed is real and if we want to get back to challenging for titles we need some real high intensity players who can attack a game and avoid players like de jong.

14.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:47:48
I totally agree with VVVVV, our style of play was high intensity pressing. But the team is ageing and doesn't have the legs to sustain this. The high defensive line needs good positioning, reading of the game and pace and that last item is now lacking.

15.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:48:23
Never ever thought that I would say this, but is Klopp's time up. Something is drastically wrong. Either the players haven't got the legs to do what Klopp wants, or Klopp cannot adjust his way of playing to what the players are capable of. Everybody can see that this group of players are playing nowhere near what they played last season. So either this lot of players must go, or Klopp must go, and see if someone else can get a performance out of them. Because what we are seeing recently, is nowhere good enough.

16.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 22:49:56
Nothings changed since Fulham on day one.
Terrible pre season + terrible transfer window = This Garbage.
The only solution is spending money in Jan and buying players. I’ve said it all year. There’s nothing else to discuss.

17.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 23:04:21
I don’t think Klopp’s time is up, he’s earned the right to put this right. It’s going to take big decisions and moving players on, brutal reality is money needs to be spent in January.

18.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 23:05:52
Lfc8 thing your right we definitely need a midfielder seems crazy we bid 80m for a midfielder and ended up with a 80m striker was there mo other midfielder on the radar.

19.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 23:10:22
So who are replacing the centre halves and the goalkeeper with LiverpoolFC8 because that’s why we lost tonight.

20.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 23:12:35
Klopp’s time is not up but he has massive work to do.

21.) 29 Oct 2022
29 Oct 2022 23:38:16
Agreed Mark. I believe he will turn this around, but he needs some investment in order to do that. It is glaringly obvious and has been since the end of last season that we have got to get more quality in the midfield. I don't mean next summer, I mean in January AND next summer. One player won't be enough.

{Ed002's Note - It was Klopp’s decision not to add to the midfield in the summer.}

22.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 00:08:39
One player isn’t enough, Stone. There are still folk out there who think we’re going to sign Bellingham and he’ll be the panacea for all of our ills, which he isn’t and he’s not going to want to sign for a club in decline.

23.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 00:51:18
The problem is money. Manu and Citeh have the cash we do not. It is all about money these days.
The midfield are old or injured, perhaps the defence is as well although the younger ones cannot do it all on their own.
We have been unlucky with quite a few injuries.
The richer clubs just buy. Newcastle are doing well because they have the money.
The once great Barcelona are not doing well because they don't have the money.
I lost interest in football when I realised it was too much about money. That is why the World Cup is in Qatar. .

Money, money, money, money.

24.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 01:12:11
Agreed VVD. If we blow our load on one player that is a waste of money.

25.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 06:19:13
Beyond ****in dreadful - we’ve lost to 3 teams in the bottom three this season. Last season There was a lack of inspiration at times + players getting injured and back to conceding all the time. We were rescued by Diaz coming in to make us unpredictable and Sadio found form when Mo lost his. Thiago stayed fit for periods and midfield solid / workmanlike. Konate did well and Joel was available, Trent on fire for assists.

The side needed huge investment on the summer - and not to lose any key players . especially Sadio.

We got complacent and Pep wrote his book - complete over inflated sense of self-importance that guy.

Now everything has hit at once - ageing squad, too many games last year, players not in the right state, injuries and no big performances. Tactics are either rubbish or players not following orders.

Too many players aren't at the top level. Fans (and manager) deluded on how good Elliott is - and Carvalho isn't a Messi or an Owen / Fowler and Jones isn't a Macca. Curtis is Norwich level. Gomez has been shocking.

Realistically our only world class players are Alisson, Virg and Mo. A few season back we had 7 or 8.

Throw in Diaz when fit + Trent (assists) and Robbo (energy) maybe. Thiago / Jota / Konate on a good day perhaps. Feel sorry for Fab . the rest leave huge gaps and he looks lost.

Quote from Red Bird guy today says it all .

"I think there can be a new form of ownership which monetises intellectual property in the form of a Disney type company where you have the 360-degree flywheel of monetising that, hub and spoke, and that cash flow generation, if you do it right, can go back into a very smart way of putting a value proposition on the field. "

Ward has been ****in useless too . and throw in the recruitment team as well - all summer and between the lot of them they come if with Melo on the last day.

We are in the same position United we're in when everyone was laughing at them last year. Arsenal previous seasons too.

At least we can cull any ideas of Bellingham. Maybe if we turn things around we could do a Rafa 2005 in the CL while being rubbish in the league.

This is pretty much unfixable now - too much neglect. We need 6 x top players in. That's why I say you always buy 2 top players + a top youngster every season without fail. If we'd done that we'd be ok.

Our only hope is other sides run out of money and are in too much debt / hit by FFP constraints. That's why FSG love a self sustaining model . Continue to put **** all in. Rack up £372m of overdraft and loans on LFC - get even more fans through the gates (talk of further stadium expansion) and see the valuation rise. Be very interesting to see the next accounts and where all the money and debt is at : does the£70m + pre tax profit mean that £372m debt has come down a lot and are we still paying FSG back for their last investment (2015/ 16). What have we actually seen from ****in Nike. That person LeBron has made £100m out of his association with LFC. Every yank twat making money off hard working LFC fans.

I feel sorry for Klopp. Too loyal to players and owners that let him down. He could have achieved something monumental but we're just p. ing away his time here and giving him a rebuild job.

26.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 07:28:48
Thank you, ED02. The best post yet on this forum this season. The FSG bashers need to do one. Klopp is at fault here for not signing a midfielder he new we needed cos we’ll, he went for Tchouameni. Why did he not get any of the other options there? The money was there.

I know he wants the right player and will wait BUT you sometimes cannot allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. He could have signed one he could work with till the perfect one came. Then he was forced into panic buying Arthur and we know the rest. I don’t feel sorry for him cos he is in charge of transfers and funds were made available to him. He gambled. He failed so he should deal with the consequences.

It’s all his fault, FACT so the “FSG are stingy” or the “FSG won’t back Klopp” merchants on here need to focus their ire on the very guy they have shielded from criticism by blaming FSG for things they hired Klopp and gave him the funds to fix. Stop shielding him by bearing false witness on FSG. The buck stops with Klopp, end of. Oh one last thing. Julian Ward works for Klopp so blaming him is also a kop out. Ward will not pursue a player Klopp does not want.

27.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 08:01:45
When the time comes for Klopp to move on I’m sure the next manager will be more than happy to spend the millions that FSG are more than willing to throw at the windows.

28.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 08:02:54
Oli, we never actually made an offer for Tchouameni. We went as far as speaking to his agent and that was it. We should have looked at similar players with similar abilities and stats, Sangare literally stands out like a sore thumb in that respect. Relying on our frankly decrepit midfield and bringing in Arthur were two of the worst decisions I can think of. Literally as soon as Ox and Keita were declared fit they should have been wrapped up in cotton wool and moved on. All those poor deluded fools thinking we’re keeping our powder dry to go for Bellingham are going to be very very disappointed.

{Ed001's Note - nobody wanted Ox or Keita. Why keep banging this same tedious drum out of pure ignorance? Both players were available if anyone had the slightest bit of interest, but no one wants them. They will still be overpriced next summer when they are free. Can you please just stop telling everyone the same thing we all knew already anyway? You are just boring the pants off everyone and ruining the site with this tedium. You have told us, no need to repeat yourself every day.}

29.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 09:19:09
VVVV, we were interested in Tchouameni and he was interested in coming to us as well and had RM not coming for him with crazy money, he would be here. The question is why did he not sign one he knew wasn’t perfect BUT one he could work with cos we were desperate for one. If he thought he could work with the current crop then, that’s his cross to bear.

As Ed01 said, would you sign Ox and Naby on the wages their on and with their injury record as an LFC DOF right now? If the answer is no then, why do you keep chirping on here about getting rid of them when you yourself wouldn’t touch them were you in charge of transfers at the club. Come on, man.

30.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 00:01:55
I know Ed. He mocked those of us who kept saying we needed to strengthen the midfield and then walked those comments back. I think it was very naive of him and he's paying the price for it now.

31.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 02:33:56
Ed002 I understand that he did even when everyone was saying we needed midfield reinforcements. He admitted later on that he was wrong. Very naive on his part. How could we all see that but he couldn’t?

32.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 12:17:33
Oli, but we literally did not make an offer for Tchouameni to Monaco, so we never had a dog in that fight. If we were apparently interested, why didn’t we make an offer to Monaco?

As for Ox and Keita, if there were no interested parties, I’d have offered to sever their contracts in the same way Chelsea did with Ross Barkley. Cut losses and move on. We’d have been just as well paying their contracts off and moving them on as letting them see out the last year sat in the treatment room.

33.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 13:53:19
VVVV if we were not interested in him then why were the funds provided to sign him as he was our top target? ED01 has debunked this narrative that we had money for either Darwin or Tchouameni. That is porkies. Klopp was given money fir both so whether we bid for him or not, the dough was there, fact.

So why did he leave himself short Tchouameni or not? Why did he not try to sign any of the other options knowing we needed one even if he wasn’t perfect? Thevmoneu was there Again, Klopp gambled and list. His cross to bear, the end. As for trying to c.

34.) 30 Oct 2022
30 Oct 2022 13:58:15
Sorry VVVV, pressed send too soon. The money was there so why didn’t he do it? Sorry I love Klopp bult he took an unnecessary gamble and lost. His fault to bear.

As for just cancelling contracts of unwanted players, there’s something called Mutual Consent that you seem unfamiliar with. For contracts to be cancelled, both parties have to agree for it to happen. Why would both Naby or Ox agree to do that? What are you going to do if they refuse? Threaten them? Come on, man this ain’t FIFA. This the real world.