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26 Jan 2024 16:41:18
Well we may as well get this out the way - ed002, if you have a moment, who would be the runners and riders for the big seat come the end of the season.


{Ed002's Note - It It will change, but perhaps:
Xabi Alonso (C) A popular choice and having a great season at Bayer Leverkusen, but very inexperienced.
Pep Ljinders (C) Liverpool could look to trying to persuade him to stay for continuity.
Zinedine Zidane (C) I understand an advisor has told Liverpool not to discount Zindane after discussions over another job for him are delayed pending a change of club ownsership.
Julian Nagelsmann (C) Contracted until the Euros are finished in the summer - talented and perhaps should not be discounted.
Roberto de Zerbi (C) Brighton would fight to keep him but another who will certainly be discussed.
Arne Slot (C) Complete wildcard, but a great coach and very good option.
Michel (C) No obvious interest and may well have another job in mida already. Another wildcard who should be considered.
Steven Gerrard (C) Did well at Rangers but pretty hopeless since. Perhaps a popular choice for some of the fans, it would be very unlikely in my view.}

1.) 27 Jan 2024 10:09:55
Would Amorim be in consideration Ed?

{Ed002's Note - I would doubt it and I would doubt Sporting would be open to offers.}

2.) 27 Jan 2024 10:54:41
Ed002 two questions really as your insight into the game is always a step above most the other views we get on tv etc - who from the list above or those potentially available would be your best pick? Do you feel that Alonso not having the experience is another situation similar to Gerrard where they would struggle in England or do you think he’s a lot more tactically adept like Pep was in Spain originally and arguably Arteta is since joining Arsenal?

{Ed002's Note - Nagelsmann of the likely candidates would work. There is a risk with Alondo and Michel allthough but are have great seasons. Gerrard would not be a good choice. Ljinders gives continuity but would need to be persuaded to stay. Slot would be a bold but good choice. Much will depend on what advice the club is given.}

3.) 27 Jan 2024 11:33:34
Please God not Gerrard.

4.) 27 Jan 2024 12:01:55
Xabi Alonso with the right structure around him seems like the best move. As Xabi is considered one of us, he would get more time and patience in the role than others.

5.) 27 Jan 2024 12:47:09
I don't think I'd want Zidane either great player but not sure he's a great manager, I know he won with Madrid but look at the squad he had.

6.) 27 Jan 2024 23:18:21
De Zerbi comes with the same level of risk as Potter did.

The Sporting manager is surely available at a price, as is everything in that league. Would FSG pay 20m for a manager though?
At least with Xabi he knows L4 and the culture well. I'd be overjoyed with him, despite the inexperience, with the one caveat being that surely we'd be a stepping stone for Real or even Bayern, eventually. 5 years max then, as seems to be the standard in this day and age, apart from when a unique and brilliant individual like Jurgen comes along.

7.) 27 Jan 2024 18:42:45
As always thanks ed002, much appreciated.

Hope the start of 2024 finds you well.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome and wish you and yours a safe and adverse health and fungus free 2024.}

8.) 28 Jan 2024 11:30:48
Zidane won 2 league titles and 3 CL titles he’s definitely a top manager. He had good players but so what? If we bring him in and give him good players he’s proved he can deliver.

{Ed025's Note - i just dont think he fits OK, comes across as a bit of an arse hole to me mate..

9.) 28 Jan 2024 22:54:10
I reckon Zidane might be a good option. You just know if Pep G gets in his way, that he's just a headbutt away from clearing out the tech area.

10.) 29 Jan 2024 17:19:56
He could well be an arse I’ve never really read into what he’s like. But I think even if he was the most important thing is his cv. I doubt there’s another Klopp out there. Mourinho was an arse too but he won trophy after trophy.

{Ed025's Note - i think Klopp changed the narrative when it comes to management OK, very magnanimous and approachable and bonded with the city and its fans, the likes of Zidane and Mourinho are not like that at all and are egoists who think its all about them mate, i hope Liverpool are better than that and pick someone who can carry on the legacy..



10 Sep 2023 16:15:48
Well now the Salah rumours are put to bed for the moment let's start another one.

Any chance Germany will try for Klopp ed002 with a home euros on the horizon or is it pretty much going to be Nagelsmann.


{Ed002's Note - They may well be interested but I think the timing is wrong right now.}

1.) 10 Sep 2023 20:39:51
Jurgen is an honourable man who will see out his contract, after which, I reckon he'll be done with club football and the way the game is going, and then become the national coach for a good stint.

2.) 11 Sep 2023 00:11:06
Go German national team and be criticised by Franz Beckenbauer or go Saudi league as Messiah and earn close to billion, you decide.

3.) 11 Sep 2023 06:17:22
He said he’s going to see out his contract and then take a year off. After that he said he’ll see how he feels.

4.) 11 Sep 2023 09:03:08
Klopp is super motivated again with the new look squad 2.0 he has. He is going nowhere fast.

5.) 11 Sep 2023 12:14:22

Once you accrue a certain amount of wealth what is the point trying to earn more if it makes you unhappy . I cannot see a time that klopp joins the spl .

Liverpool to German manager is how I see it going as he will be close to 60 then so international football will probably suit him plus moving home he will be a god
In Germany as the coach.

6.) 11 Sep 2023 13:05:17
Saw a story on one of the click bait sites which has mentioned Xavi as a replacement if Klopp could be tempted away. How would that go down with everyone?

7.) 11 Sep 2023 13:39:55
Xabi not Xavi maybe? ?.

8.) 11 Sep 2023 13:52:25
@dhc, you have understand the politics of german national Team. It spells Bayern Munich. From franz Beckenbauer to Hansi Flick, to Oliver kahn. We know hoe klopp dislike Bayern Munich dominating Bundesliga with their wealth, hence klopp's revolution with BVB brought such tense rilvary. Klopp will not join national coach. Regarding your statement about $, ahemm. go ask Ronaldo, our beloved Henderson, Mbappe, Neymar and also sooon to be saudi player Salah.

9.) 11 Sep 2023 18:27:58
I hope Klopp stays for longer not sure if he will but what other manager apart from pep can do what he does we havnt had a manager like Klopp in my life time of supporting this club some say Roy evans but to me klopp is special irreplaceable in my eyes I’d rather loose salah than klopp and that’s saying some thing.

10.) 11 Sep 2023 18:32:44
@Lee, whilst I go and ask Ronaldo, should I go and ask Mbappe too? Not everybody is motivated solely by money all the time, it would seem.

11.) 11 Sep 2023 20:53:56
Klopp will never manage for money, he is a socialist.
I see him taking one more job, maybe in the sunshine if not Germany.
I am convinced that he will not extend his contract any further with LFC.

12.) 11 Sep 2023 21:31:44
De zerbi if still available.

13.) 11 Sep 2023 22:35:20

“Champagne socialist” more like. Not criticising Klopp personally as I don’t know his situation but pretty fed up of millionaire ‘socialists’ who have accountants and keep their wealth in tax havens.

Too many of those socialists, basically “do as I say not as I do”.

14.) 11 Sep 2023 23:55:18
I really like the work of De Zerbi and Ange. I've seen Ange's work for a long time now from A-league to where he is now and he has consistently turned out quality football and alwyas seemed to be a real connection between the team and the fanbase.

If Ange was available at the end of Klopp's tenure I'd go for him.

15.) 12 Sep 2023 06:11:54
Ange is a red too.

16.) 12 Sep 2023 08:13:16
Interesting point about the Bayern Munich connection Lee.
But I reckon your comments about Mr and Mrs Klopp going to Saudi is as accurate as your tapas over fish and chips assertion ?
I just don't see them over there myself.
They'd be like mushy peas on tapas, know what I mean?

17.) 12 Sep 2023 08:40:19
Yeah I just don't see the Klopps living in Saudi, about as good a fit as mushy peas on tapas lol.
Agree on Ange too, a very possible future Liverpool manager?

18.) 13 Sep 2023 05:32:04
Ange will be too old to start a project at Anfield.



24 Aug 2023 06:36:54
Some chatter about a potential deal for Salah with Al Ittihad.

Any truth Ed's?

I know you've said his agent has been touting him around for a while so it wouldn't be a major surprise, especially given the talent that's now already gone to Saudi.


{Ed002's Note - Mo Salah (RW) His agent is hawking him around for one last big payday - Real Madrid are not interested, PSG may be, Middle East certainly with Al-Ittihad. I would expect him to stay another year the head to the Middle East.}

1.) 24 Aug 2023 09:35:22
He is going to take some replacing.

2.) 24 Aug 2023 09:54:38
I have got this funny feeling Salah will go this window. Szobozlai will end up playing on the right hand side but obviously in a different role to Salah.
Get Nunez up top and start getting the ball in to him.

3.) 24 Aug 2023 09:57:10
If Salah stays for another year it gives Doak another year to develop further. If he can work on his end product the guy will terrify the league.

4.) 24 Aug 2023 10:39:32
Doak won’t be replacing Salah next season, in my opinion anyway.

5.) 24 Aug 2023 10:51:37
With a week left in the transfer window we would be insane to let mo leave but it wouldn’t surprise me in this crazy window.

6.) 24 Aug 2023 11:12:12
Olise, Saka, Garnacho. Doak! if you're good enough your old enough.

7.) 24 Aug 2023 12:45:14
But Olise and Garnacho aren’t good enough to replace Salah either?

In fact not many are.

Having belief in Doak is great but we shouldn’t set him up to fail by asking him to perform a role he’s not ready for yet.

8.) 24 Aug 2023 12:45:49
I think we underestimate the value of experience - look how long it’s taken Man City to integrate Foden, who’s an exceptional talent and only now getting a starting role age 23. Even Saka is almost 22.

Ben Doak is 17…. He’s a fantastic talent but let’s not claim he’s ready to replace one of the best ever goal scorers to have graced the PL, it takes years of learning to master your craft, no matter how talented you may be.

9.) 24 Aug 2023 13:27:51
When Salah does leave it won't be a case of swapping a like-for-like ready made replacement in. It will be accommodated by the team shifting focus. Already this year I believe we will be less reliable on him. From what I have seen pre season and in the first couple of games we have seen a shift from being over reliant on his goals to him creating more than he is scoring. In addition we have brought in midfielders who are far more likely to contribute goals than those they replaced.

Our next RF/ RW won't be a ready made Salah clone. It will be a player who fits into the new Liverpool team that is currently being built.

I'm not saying Doak definitely will be ready to step up next season but I'm certainly not writing him off because he is 17. Look at Owen. It's only a few days since people were livid because we didn't sign a 19 year old for £60M who had only a handful of games as experience.

As Jude says. "If you're good enough, you're old enough"

10.) 24 Aug 2023 15:11:41
Exactly Jude. Like I said Doak won’t be replacing Salah next season.
You think he’s good enough? Like really?

11.) 24 Aug 2023 15:28:32
Garnacho? Hard pass on that one, JN. Doak is a kid and needs to develop on his own and at his own pace. Who replaces Salah? Khavatskhelia or Federico Chiesa (hopefully he is back to his best after his injury) would be my shouts.

12.) 24 Aug 2023 18:55:58
A club should never have to replace a single player so to speak and if you look at the change from our front 3 of mane, Bobby, Salah the club have actually done very well at bringing in Diaz, gakpo Nunez at different stages. I'm sure the club will have a long list of possible signings to play on the right. I do also have a sneaky feeling salah will be overtaken by a few as our most important player.

13.) 25 Aug 2023 06:05:53
If we are going to sell salah, you have to replace him with quality. The only player we should be looking at is mitoma from brighton.



02 Jun 2023 19:11:37
Question for Ed002 if you'll entertain it.

Have there been transfers that you personally thought were either excellent business / terrible business but went on to be the exact opposite.


{Ed002's Note - Kevin Astro of a should have worked out much better at Marseille and Monaco signed Eidur Gudjohnsen assuming expecting far more than they got from him.}

1.) 02 Jun 2023 19:59:02
How about Liverpool players?
Harry Kewell was a disappointment to me.

{Ed002's Note - Downing was a mistake. Aquila I was ruined by another Liverpool player.

2.) 02 Jun 2023 20:38:28
Not a signing that didn't work out, but thought we should have signed Anelka years ago. Brought Diouf instead. Still hurts.

Agree thought Kewell would have been a good signing, liked Barmby as well. Thought Robbie Keane was a brilliant signing, shame that didn't work.

3.) 02 Jun 2023 20:53:38
Editor 2- Aquilani's career at LFC was ruined by another Liverpool player: was it a goalkeeper, defender, midfielder or attacker/ CF from his contemporaries in the squad. First time poster and would appreciate an answer.

{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

4.) 02 Jun 2023 21:49:34
Keane had apparently gotten a bit fond of a pint by the time he arrived here.

I heard a story about why he didn't last too long in his second Spurs spell, but it's potentially actionable, so I'd best keep it to myself.

5.) 02 Jun 2023 23:03:45
Morientes was a disappointment in the end. Expected so much more from him.

6.) 02 Jun 2023 23:59:50
Great post. For me most disappointing was Ryan babbel. Great player speeed everything just bit of a soft attitude. Should’ve signed Anelka. Worst signing Paul konchesky or Andy Carrol. Best signing firmino just a quality player drifting between lines creating play opening the game for Salah and mane. What a team. I hope we can get one more great team out of klopp before he goes. Special mention for Joe Cole and David ngog lol we have previously scraped the barrel. People on here should remember this when they talk poorly of fsg. They may not be perfect but there’s no David ngog in the team.

7.) 03 Jun 2023 00:47:51
Weirdly for me it was Joe Cole. I had watched so many interviews with his former teammates about how much talent he had and that it was unfortunate he couldn’t fully show it at Chelsea. Then he came to us and got a bloody red card on his debut!

8.) 03 Jun 2023 01:01:28
I'll be completely honest. I didn't rate Milner when we signed him. I know, I know - but I was converted after a couple of games! Most disappointing? Diouf. Can't stand that tw. it.

9.) 03 Jun 2023 01:47:08
Most disappointing Diouf or Keita for different reasons

Biggest ‘what could have been’ Jati Litmanen - I know he played and won stuff with us but if he’d been with us before the injuries ….

Biggest surprise effect Robbo, Millie and Suarez who was better on the pitch than the biggish reputation at Ajax. Not the nicest of people perhaps but I think there were probably reasons for that too.

10.) 03 Jun 2023 07:29:25
Biggest one for me was probably Danny Ings. Really thought he'd be awesome for us and then back to back knee injuries just ended it all.

11.) 03 Jun 2023 07:41:48
Kewell biggest disappointment for me, thought we signed the best player in the league at the time. I can't fathom how he ended up so poor for us.
Robbo was the 1 that I ended up with egg on my face, couldn't understand at time why we trying to sign him.
What a player he turned out to be.

12.) 03 Jun 2023 07:42:29
Kewell and Litmanen were definitely my most disappointing signings. Really thought the title was ours when we signed them.

13.) 03 Jun 2023 08:57:49
Benteke Was a waste of a shirt for me. Just walking around the pitch all game looking uninterested. Also expected big things from Fabio Berini. That might have been to do with the fact that I watched YouTube clips of him, as I hadn’t really seen him play, and he looked like a world beater. Maybe my expectations were too high. I try not to do the YouTube thing anymore when we sign anyone.

14.) 03 Jun 2023 09:09:28
Jack Witham:
Scored a hat trick against us.
We immediately signed him from Sheff Wednesday as the Roger Hunt replacement.
Never heard of him?
That tells the story!
He played 15 times in 4 seasons.

15.) 03 Jun 2023 10:29:58
For me, I was so excited as a young kid when signing Kewell. Remember checking teletext daily to see if he’d sign. A shame that injuries robbed him the chance of showing his true form for us especially as he turned down the cream of Europe to join us.

Other notable mentions:
Zieger (the LB from Boro who we went to court over)
Biscan (hear me out on this one. I naively just assumed he’d be awesome from day 1 after watching Mario Stanic score screamers for Chelsea. Biscan did turn into a cult hero by the end)
Keita (me telling anyone who’d listen that he’s a Sadio Mane clone in midfield)

With players like Joe Cole, the morale of supporting us was at an all time low then and wasn’t expecting much.

16.) 03 Jun 2023 11:44:16
Biggest disappointments for me have been Keita, Benteke, Carroll, but mostly it’s good youth players that didn’t make it with us for whatever reason - Wilson, Suso, Texeria.

Nicest surprises have been Robertson, Riise and Gomez (given the latters price at £3.5m and went straight into the first team as a 17 year old if I remember. Despite his lack of form now considering these things and his PL winning season he’s been a bargain. Always happiest when a player comes through from the youth though so happy with Trent, Jones, Elliott and Sterling.

17.) 03 Jun 2023 11:50:49
I am quite sure it was only injury that ruined Aquilani his ankle problems where worse than the club thought upon signing. Unless Gerrard stood on his ankle in training I can see no other reason for his torrid time with Liverpool.

{Ed001's Note - he was fit for months and Rafa didn't put him in the team because he realised he had been sold a pup. He was just not very good in reality and Rafa had not checked on him properly, instead trusting his scouts. The scouts got it wrong, he just wasn't a good player.}

18.) 03 Jun 2023 11:56:20
Biscan never, ever smiled, except once, after he scored against Fulham.

19.) 03 Jun 2023 13:04:44
Bruno cheyrou, dubbed the next Zidane. (Shaking head)

20.) 03 Jun 2023 13:07:10
When we sold the best and most mobile number 9 in world football in Suarez and then bought the most immobile striker in world football in Balotelli. We didn’t recover until Klopp come in.

21.) 03 Jun 2023 15:17:14
Agree with many of the above, but Joe Cole was also a disappointment as I had fond memories of him at Chelsea and the hammers.

22.) 03 Jun 2023 15:26:58
How has no one mentioned Mario balotelli also an honourable mention for Jermaine pennant.

23.) 03 Jun 2023 18:19:00
Sadly I didn't expect much from Balotelli, couldn't believe we signed him, his attitude sucked, not a team player. Jermaine Pennant, I liked, thought for the time he was with us, a useful player. Even if it was just for the screamer against Chelsea.

Antonio Nunez I was excited about when we brought him in from RM in exchange for Owen. How wrong I was. Litmanen could have been so good, shame that didn't work out.

Stan Collymore was another one, when we signed him, I thought him and Fowler, would bring us the league. Again had some good moments.

24.) 03 Jun 2023 19:12:08
Markovic along with aquilani turned out to be one of the biggest disappointment.
Christian paulsen is another honourable mention.
Mark gonzalez was another one, i remember when rafa signed him i was too excited.

25.) 03 Jun 2023 20:20:21
Worst signings

David Speedie
Nigel Clough
Glen Hysen
Julian Dicks
Paul Konchesky
Jimmy Carter
Bruno Cheyrou
Ryan Babbel

Best signings

Peter Crouch
Gary McAllister
Fernando Torres
Luis Suarez
Allison Becker
Xabi Alonso.

26.) 03 Jun 2023 20:31:31
One I don't think I've seen mentioned is Steven Caulker. Why we ever loaned him I'll never know.

27.) 04 Jun 2023 10:37:40
How has nobody remembered Sean Dundee?

28.) 04 Jun 2023 21:50:38
anyone for GAKPO.



04 Dec 2020 09:54:51
A question for Ed002 if your available.

What do you think the impact is going to be for British clubs based on the new immigration rules introduced this week. In particular that they are banned from signing any under 18s and only 3 under 21s per window.

In theory it should promote more homegrown talent and prevent stockpiling at clubs but will it financially have a knock on from the way some clubs utilise their academies?


{Ed002's Note - That is why the English clubs pressed to sign 16 and 17 year old players in the summer as has been explained. The three "under 21" per window will have little or no impact, and the idea is to drive the English clubs to start looking for more English Club Developed and Home Grown players. So there is no big deal here beyond no longer being able to sign 16 and 17 year old players. The much bigger impact will come when they lower the number of non HG players allowed in the Premier League and introduced a Club Developed rule as UEFA have already done - that is where Liverpool will be hit, in the same way as they are already playing with a reduced CL squad due to poor squad management - and will have to do the same next season. It is those changes some clubs are fearing.}

1.) 04 Dec 2020 11:11:29
We'll be grand, sure half our squad will have come through the academy again Klopp leaves. We'll have a team built around homegrowners in Trent, Joe, Neco, Curtis, Harvey and the likes of Koumetio and Kelleher over the next few years.




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26 May 2024 12:46:13
Well this morning I got to do something I never thought I'd do.

I stood in the centre circle of the pitch at Anfield and then had a wander around the pitch for fifteen minutes up to the Kop goal.

If you are local/ within travelling distance of anfield I'd keep an eye on when then they are running the "walk on the pitch" tours as it is absolutely worth it.


1.) 26 May 2024 13:06:41
Lucky man ???.

2.) 26 May 2024 13:17:39
What an experience mate, sounds great.

3.) 26 May 2024 13:37:38
Did it with my lad last year, was brilliant.

4.) 26 May 2024 14:40:38
How much is it?

5.) 26 May 2024 14:58:53
There’s various ones you can go on Salah including legend guided ones into the many hundreds of quid but the one we did was £40 for adults.

Which I know isn’t exactly cheap but you get the regular tour/ musuem and we got about 15 mins on the pitch as well. Which for the cost of half a replica shirt I think is really good value like.

6.) 26 May 2024 16:07:02
Thank you Wassa, going to look into it mate, will be a nice break for a day or two.

7.) 26 May 2024 16:24:16
That’s cool mate I didn’t even realise this was a thing.
I’ve stood on the pitch watching Bon Jovi but never the grass ?.

8.) 26 May 2024 16:27:00
We done the tour few months ago with a meal and talk ( tommo) we wasn’t allowed on pitch even dugout seats was closed off. The last time I done a tour paisley was manager got to sit in his seat. Was well impressed with behind scenes ( changies etc) plus we never got charged back then for pics with trophies would like to get on the pitch tho.

9.) 26 May 2024 16:52:12
I took my daughter on the same tour today. Brilliant experience walking on the pitch.

10.) 26 May 2024 18:48:07
I hate your guts, lol. Nice one, Wassa. Hope you enjoyed the whole experience.

11.) 26 May 2024 23:23:52
I now refuse to read any of your posts Wassa in pure jealous rage lol
Well played mate well played.



22 May 2024 21:40:02
This make anybody feel slightly better about getting knocked out?

They beat sporting (Portuguese champs)
They beat us (prem third)
They beat Marseille
They are 3-0 up against Leverkusen (German champs and until now unbeaten this season)

Like I know we played crap over two legs but clearly Atalanta are tidy and by god do they work hard and take their chances.

And I'm really pleased for Gasperini.


1.) 22 May 2024 21:49:28
Not really mate. But impressed with Koopmeiners tonight. Decent game.

2.) 22 May 2024 21:52:02
Gasperini provided a tactical masterclass against ourselves and Leverkusen, fair play they are a great watch and well deserved winning e competition.

3.) 22 May 2024 22:36:17
Slightly mate. I can accept getting beat, that’s football. But the way we got smashed in that first leg at anfield, players walking all game, Klopp smiling, all us fans thinking we’d already won the trophy.
We got humbled and probably needed it.

4.) 22 May 2024 22:39:53
They are a very good team with some excellent players, Koopmeiners, Ederson and Scalvini in particular look like they could go up another level. They were the best team in the Europa League and deserved winners.

5.) 22 May 2024 23:09:57
I like the look of Koopmeiners and hincapie from tonight’s game.

6.) 23 May 2024 01:44:06
I didn't see the game but good on them, a result I didn't see coming.

7.) 23 May 2024 06:33:44
They are 5th in their League, nearly 30 points behind Inter?.

8.) 23 May 2024 07:44:48
From tonights game i think Ederson was excellent. If we need a number 6 type player and can't get a elite 6, then this guy could be the man.

9.) 23 May 2024 07:47:06
The Brazilian lad in center of midfield was out standing for Atlanta one to keep an eye on.

10.) 23 May 2024 11:29:44
Hincapie I thought was awful today. Koop reminds me of Mac so unsure of the need but Ederson looked unreal in the 6 - exactly the pace and power we are crying out for in there.

11.) 23 May 2024 11:42:36
Xabi Ranieri.



05 May 2024 06:53:16
If anybody would like to view one of the worst ref decisions of all time check out the red card given to Georges Mikautazde for Metz in their defeat by Rennes.

Some minor fronting up, they gently brush chests, oppo strike takes a tumble and the ref sends him off. VAR sends ref to have a look but Monsieur Ruddy Buquet decides to make it all about himself and sticks with his decision!

It's not a bad decision it's a Ruddy awful one (I'll get my coat) .

You can't help look at something like that and think what has happened to football.


1.) 05 May 2024 08:36:35
Corruption, that’s what’s happening. I don’t care who disagrees it’s that simple. The game I grew up to love is finished and money is the reason.

2.) 05 May 2024 09:20:25
I agree pegleg.

3.) 05 May 2024 10:20:50
Probably fixed, on that point Ivan timeu hasn't scored in ten games, cheeky tener on him to score on his next or is he planning bigger things?

4.) 05 May 2024 12:16:28



02 May 2024 19:03:17
Time for my yearly rant on kit prices.

Youth top - £60
Youth shorts - £32
Socks - £18

£110 for a full kit.

It's bordering on criminal.

I know schools in the north west that have food banks and offer other services to struggling families.

And before anybody starts I know it's the modern game but I just find that level of greed gross frankly. Charge adults what you like but the youth kits should never be that expensive in my humble opinion.


{Ed025's Note - im with you Wassa..

1.) 02 May 2024 19:30:25
Don’t buy it ?‍♂️. It’s not necessary to join the gravy train. Doesn’t make you less of a fan, just one with a conscience. Give some of the cash to that food bank instead and sleep easy knowing you’ve made a difference ?.

{Ed025's Note - good idea that Irish..

2.) 02 May 2024 19:43:09
And have an unhappy child who desperately wants the kit and has no understanding of a food bank and later life.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think its buying presents for a child that makes them happy WM, especially if you cant afford it mate..

3.) 02 May 2024 19:52:04
Probably all made in sweatshops as well.

4.) 02 May 2024 20:15:01
Not arsed myself. You can either buy it or not. That’s the free choice you have as a consumer. Personally I’m happy with my adidas originals 85/ 86 reissue. Timeless classic doesn’t need updating.

5.) 02 May 2024 20:25:00
I get dodgy ones from China now for about £10.
I say dodgy, you can’t tell the difference. I took him in it to sports direct and I was comparing them and I couldn’t tell, I almost took it to the till to get a “refund” lol
It means I can get my lad the home and away kits and a few other ones and he can wreck them all he likes playing footie in them. And I’ll be honest, even if I was made of money, I’d still buy them out of principle now because that amount of money for a kids kit is absolutely disgusting and shameful.

6.) 02 May 2024 20:42:25
War machine
Your time is the greatest gift you can give your kids. Watching them PLAY football is more important than buying an expensive kit mate.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely Irish..

7.) 02 May 2024 20:46:54
To be honest, what self respecting parent would get their kid a full kit, you’re condemning them to being a FKW.

{Ed025's Note - or even worse...a Liverpool supporter.. :)

8.) 02 May 2024 21:04:58
Sorry all maybe Im not clear in the point I was trying to make.

Here’s an example:

Since 2016 the Liverpool Foundation has ran the Red Neighbours programme and following a consultation with sixty community leaders in the Anfield, Kirkby and Melwood areas they identified a number of issues on the clubs doorstep. One of those was food poverty.

On the one hand the clubs own charity is assisting with food poverty and then on the other they are charging a ton for a kids football kit.

9.) 02 May 2024 20:55:08
Stopped buying them for my kids a few years ago, they'll get much more enjoyment if you buy them t shirts of their favourite cartoon characters etc, depending on age of course and its much cheaper.

Working man's game quickly becoming the rich man's game.

10.) 02 May 2024 20:56:52
@Warmachine, for a start kids need to learn they aren’t going to get everything they want in life (and I know, I’ve wanted as Aston Martin fair about 50 years) and secondly we should be teaching kids about what they need rather than what they want.

11.) 02 May 2024 21:01:02
Spot on Irish Rover ?.

12.) 02 May 2024 21:35:46
Very easy to get good fakes for a quarter of the price.

13.) 02 May 2024 22:08:07
It needs to return as a two year kit, better for the pocket, people can be the early adopters or get it the season after for a discounted price. Plus it’s better from a fast fashion point of view.

I’m fully aware that it won’t though as the manufacturers are on a gravy train.

As for buying it for kids, I don’t see the point, they grow out of it within a year. But I appreciate the peer pressure element of keeping up with the jones’.

14.) 02 May 2024 22:35:44
Wassa, clubs don’t set the price of the kits. Adidas/ Nike etc pay clubs the 50-60m/ season (or whatever) to produce and sell the kits. They’re the ones who set the price point.

15.) 02 May 2024 22:45:30
two good posts there Irish Rover.

16.) 02 May 2024 23:25:17
More chance of it being a monthly kit wy, what with the parasites around football these days. At least in the 90s you had mainly local businessmen. Nowadays you have all the worst and most shady companies with links to all sorts from slavery to terrorism running these clubs.

They sure as hell don't care about our pockets and would ramp the ticket prices up tenfold if it not for the fear of fan rebellion.

17.) 03 May 2024 00:09:35
Talking of kits, our neighbours are Bluenoses and with today being a good drying day their child's Everton kit was pegged out on the washing line in preparation for next season's relegation battle, presumably.
Anyway, the Mum came round this evening asking whether we'd seen anything as someone had been in their back yard and robbed the pegs off the clothes line.

18.) 03 May 2024 01:48:39
I like the black keeper shirt but wouldn't be given the home one.

19.) 03 May 2024 08:26:41
It's bad Wassa but what can you do. The cost to run a football club climbing at an alarming rate.

The costs will never stop rising for us fans until player wages, agent fees and maybe even transfer fees are capped. Clubs barely make a profit nowadays so are they greedy, or are they just trying to cover the costs of greed within the sport?

20.) 03 May 2024 10:03:53
Just buy your kids copy kits for about £20/ 30 my son has loads. can't tell the difference.

21.) 03 May 2024 12:04:32
Wassa, my kids aren't that into football so all good for me there. Personally, I stopped buying kits 15 years ago when it started costing an arm and a leg and judging by the prices they go for today, Ain't buying nothing any time soon.

22.) 03 May 2024 12:19:28
DH Gate! Sod buying at full price! Complete rip off. I bought my kids last kit with his name on the back etc and shorts and socks and was £16. Exactly the same.

23.) 03 May 2024 15:15:18
Rigsby I hope there weren't any socks attached to them pegs. One of the funniest things I've ever seen at the match was the Derby in a replay in the fa Cup where every time we got a throw in some fella shouted "SOCKS" and about 20 pairs of socks got launched. But then Everton won in the last minute so the novelty wore off very quickly.



01 May 2024 06:54:50
If Klopp turns out to be a modern era shanks in terms of the way he turned the club around then we can only hope that Arne is the next Bob.

But how likely is that?

Well let's look at where we are. If we win our last three games that will leave us on 84 points (and I get that looks unlikely right now but go with me) . Unbelievably despite how dire this season appears to be ending that would be Klopp's fourth highest points total in his 9 year tenure.

Statistically 84 points would also be a very good performance historically. In the last 28 seasons (38 game seasons) 84 points would have won the league in 7 seasons. It would have seen you finish second in 21 of those years.

It would leave us 17 points better off than last year. City would only be 2 points better off and Arsenal 5 points better off.

Now I am as gutted as everybody else about how the season has panned out but I do believe when you look at it objectively Arne is picking the team up in quite a good place. Yes there are issues but compare it to the state of the club when Klopp took over. In Rodger's last full season we were 25 points behind the winner. In Klopps season we were 21 points behind. If we finish on 84 we would at most be 7 behind.

And we can all think of a list as long as our arm about things that could have gone better this year.

So given where we are, how close we are and how much room for improvement there is (both defensively and offensively) I think we have reason to be cautiously optimistic that Arne could take us to the next step.


1.) 01 May 2024 08:56:37
The club was in a far better position when Klopp took over than when Shankly did. Shankly rebuilt the club, really.

Ever the pessimist, I think Slot has a huge job to maintain where we are never mind take us to the next step.
We are where we are because of Klopp, really. And because we are a fairly well run club but we don't talk about finances so I won't go any further about that ?.
If Slot is another Klopp, that's brilliant but it's highly unlikely.

Looking for positives, we have been third best this season and City will have their abdication to deal with before not too long, hopefully and Arsenal are a couple of seasons of development in front of us. If we continue to grow then would could narrow the gap but we need a spine like the one Arsenal is starting to finally grow again. If we could get a quality centre half, midfielder and another forward we could make the next step.

2.) 01 May 2024 09:49:35
Unfortunately there will never be another Paisley. The greatest manager of all time in my opinion
Up the pool.

3.) 01 May 2024 10:03:49
Completely different eras. You simply can’t compare football in the 60s to football today.

Back then any team could win the league, they didn’t need to be the richest club because clubs were much closer together in terms of finances.

In that sense it was easier for Shanks as the gap he needed to bridge wasn’t so big.

In another sense, because clubs were so close in terms of finance it was tougher because the league was so competitive with even the league winners losing regularly.

Today, all you need to do is beat City. End of story. They have by far the best squad because they have had by far the most money for 15 years and have been allowed to spend it as they wish.

That makes it harder because the gap from 8th place to City is huge. You simply can’t lose more than 3 or 4 games a season if you want to finish above them.

In another sense it’s easier because you only have to beat one team.

Either way, football has changed so much it’s futile to try to compare the era of Shanks and Paisley to Klopp and Slot. What will be will be.

4.) 01 May 2024 10:30:46
I look at things from a different angle. For personal reasons I dislike the American sports style of management structure. Edwards the boss, then a sports director and a football coach equivalent to a school P. E. Teacher. Not to forget managers for the dinner ladies and the tea swindle. Perhaps this structure will be very successful?
I prefer the old school style of a Klopp, Dalglish, Benitez, Paisley and finally the man who built the bedrock. Bill Shankly.
My way of looking at things. I have dealt with American style management that wants yes men and not strong minded independent types. They like their system.
I like Xabi Alonso and Ruebin Amorim because of my Sporting CP connections.
Good luck anyway. The world of football is changing.

5.) 01 May 2024 10:56:34
‘Yes men’ is such a silly and emotionally charged word, Yuri, at least in my opinion.

Everything that is good about humanity, all of its successes, have come from cooperation and teamwork. It is the key to everything.

Klopp understood that, at least initially, and was happy to delegate responsibility to all kinds of experts. Sports scientists, coaches, data analysts, even throw in coaches.

This attention to detail delivered our success, but has been gradually eroded over the last four seasons. Returning to this approach, as far as i am concerned, is crucial.

Furthermore, I think you’re fetishising the myth of the big strong man, the inspirational leader, a god like figure. Such myths are just that, myths. It subscribes to ‘The Great Man’ theory of history, which is critiqued and understood to be bogus by most modern day scholars.

Within the old Liverpool set up, there was a reliance on cooperation and delegation. The Boot Room wasn’t famous for no reason. It was never just Shanks or Paisley, but Fagan, Moran and senior players like Dalglish. Geoff Twentyman was one of the greatest scouts to ever do it and was vital to our success. Further afield, much has been written about Ferguson and his cooperation with David Gill, as well as his consistent rotation of coaches to bring in fresh ideas.

It’s not that the days of The Manager are gone, it’s that they never really existed. It’s the kind of mythologising that paints certain world leaders as totemic, god like figures, completely untouched by external influence, when the reality was very different. I think it is naive and slightly dangerous to boot.

Structures built on cooperation are not full of Yes Men, they are the opposite by definition. Discussion, scrutiny and more democratic decision making are a positive thing. The true Yes Men are working under leaders that don’t share any of the power, and don’t want their decisions challenged. That is the opposite of what this so called ‘American Style Management’ is trying to achieve.

6.) 01 May 2024 11:00:09
I should point out that I know you can’t compare like for like and nor was I trying. The comparison was simply that a period of great success followed a period of growth and change in attitudes.

7.) 01 May 2024 11:24:14
The original boot room were a collective - they all had a voice. They were generally very knowledgeable but also had specialist areas. They were different characters - Shanks was messianic, Sir Bob was ruthless, Uncle Joe was self effacing and so on. I witter on about the sum of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts and that was never more true than the original boot room and that is acknowledging that each of them was brilliant in their own way.

8.) 01 May 2024 11:12:38
Bob was a trophy machine. There’s no chance.

9.) 01 May 2024 11:13:42
I thought it was a good post Wassa. Agreed fully. Can’t deny that the last 4 seasons have flattered to receive at times, and at others just been simply woeful compared to the bar this group set themselves. However the first 5 seasons the job Klopp did was a remarkable turnaround. In fact pre-Klopp, our last 4 seasons would’ve been looked on as successful. He’s raised the bar so high that 4th, 2nd, 5th and 3rd place finishes with an FA Cup and two League Cups is now seen as under achievement. That would’ve been lauded as excellent in the first 10-15 years of this century. Klopp’s leaving us in a great position. The side he took over had won 1 League Cup under King Kenny in 9 years! Hats off to Klopp, regardless of whether he peaked in 2020. The drop off since hasn’t been so severe that it’s not recoverable. Slot is coming in to a very strong foundation.

10.) 01 May 2024 11:16:39
Not sure there can ever be another Paisley in this current era at LFC. As far as winning is concerened, he was an absolute one-off esp. at the time, IMO. Fergie couldn't hold a candle to him and a lot of the Utd fans know it.

Also remember, we were on top when Paisley took over and he took us up another couple of levels within his tenure that we were effectively the best team on the planet with the league and CL titles to back that up and then some.

If Slot even comes close to what Klopp has achived which is massive, he would have already sealed his own legacy as a legendary LFC manager. Here's to hoping he can do that.

11.) 01 May 2024 11:25:55
Anonymous Woolback
I don't live in your perfect world but you are definitely entitled to your opinion. When that is denied we are all in trouble. Unfortunately the world appears to be heading that way?
I have dealt with plenty of 'Yes-Men'. Cooperation should be mutual and not imposed. Take the Independent free thinkers from history and not much is less. You speak a bit like management-man yourself or an academic liberal.
Different views are important. Whomever takes over from Juergen Klopp will have an extremely difficult task. Things should continue for a bit because of his legacy. Then who knows?
Would Citeh be as good without Guardiola?

12.) 01 May 2024 11:48:20
Excellent post wassa.

13.) 01 May 2024 16:00:18
Slot is not having to do a rebuild job. It’s started. It’s sorting out the defence and looking at the attack, with a defensive midfielder also crucial. MacAllister has been a great signing. Hopefully he will get the best out of Szobo.

14.) 01 May 2024 16:53:18
Well some are saying no chance, but as fans we can at least hope so! Why not?
Good post Wassa.

15.) 02 May 2024 05:13:30
I think if we want Slot to do we’ll we need to give him time, patience, and a clean slate. Drawing comparisons with Paisley isn’t going to help.

{Ed025's Note - how there is even a comparison to Bob amazes me Seano, Slot has not even managed a Lverpool side yet mate ffs..

16.) 02 May 2024 09:26:29
Walkon, without googling it to be certain I’m pretty sure firmino was a Brendan Rodgers signing.

17.) 02 May 2024 09:28:39
I’d go with mane or Fabinho as being right up there, we’ve looked absolutely toothless in both midfield and attacki since they departed, for maybe 2 seasons Fabinho was undoubtedly the best defensive midfielder on the planet.




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21 May 2024 19:14:17
The thing is Why0why that regardless to what you think about Pep he has come out repeatedly on multiple platforms to make it clear how important he has been to our success. That isn’t an agenda on anybody’s part pointing that out, that’s simply a statement of fact.

If you listen/ watch the recent “reds roundtable” with him, Klopp, Alex inglethorp, Cody and Harvey he does something similar there. He is talking about the relationship between the fans, the team and the manager and he starts says “you where able to” (to Klopp) and quickly changes that to “we where able to” mid sentence. Fella can’t help himself.

I thank him for being part of the success and I wish him well but I’m not sad he’s going. I had more than enough ego with Rodgers at the helm.




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06 May 2024 07:13:47
Deleted them apparently because of the abuse him and his family was receiving.

Some of our “fans” wouldn’t understand you’ll never walk alone if it was tattooed on their forehead.




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26 Apr 2024 16:06:56
“ john L8, because we are absolutely rubbish at the minute maybe? ”

Sitting third with a trophy in the bag, three points off top with four games to go.

Whilst the performances have clearly dropped off and we are all gutted, maybe just think about what we consider“absolutely rubbish” now and compare it to what we would have said was “absolutely rubbish” 9 years ago.

As I said the football recently has been crap and I have seen more pulses in a morgue but looking at it objectively we’ve come so far.




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24 Apr 2024 19:42:14
Right so let’s analyse this shocking European record shall we.

This season;

Champions League

Feyenoord 2 - 0 Celtic
Athletico Madrid 3 - 2 Feyenoord
Feyenoord 3 - 1 Lazio
Lazio 1 - 0 Feyenoord
Feyenoord 1 - 3 Athletico Madrid
Celtic 2 - 1 Feyenoord

Europa League

Feyenoord 1 - 1 Roma
Roma 1 - 1 Feyenoord (knocked out on pens)

Absolutely shocking that….

Last year - in the Europa League

- Finished top of their group (just) with Lazio, Midtjylland and Sturm Graz
- beat Shakhtar 8-2 in the last 16
Got beat 4-2 on aggregate to Roma in quarters

And the year before

- runner up in the Conference league losing the final 1-0 to Roma having beat Partizan, Sparta Prague and Marseille on route to the final.

I might be just be easier to please but given who he has been managing and what resources he has had I wouldn’t call that shocking. It isn’t world beating, sure. But certainly not shocking.

Can we knock the hyperbole down a little eh….




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16 Feb 2024 19:34:43
Let’s hope it’s not serious.





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09 Jun 2024 19:58:51
Here’s a piece from the Spectator from the 16th October 2004 (it was written in the wake of the brutal execution of Kenneth Bigley, who was scouse, by Islamist extremists) . Worth remembering the editor of the Spectator at the time, and whose direction this was published, was a certain Boris Johnson and perfectly encapsulated what so many in the UK believe to be true about the city:

“The extreme reaction to Mr Bigley's murder is fed by the fact that he was a Liverpudlian. Liverpool is a handsome city with a tribal sense of community. A combination of economic misfortune — its docks were, fundamentally, on the wrong side of England when Britain entered what is now the European Union — and an excessive predilection for welfarism have created a peculiar, and deeply unattractive, psyche among many Liverpudlians.

They see themselves whenever possible as victims, and resent their victim status; yet at the same time they wallow in it. Part of this flawed psychological state is that they cannot accept that they might have made any contribution to their misfortunes, but seek rather to blame someone else for it, there by deepening their sense of shared tribal grievance against the rest of society.

The deaths of more than 50 Liverpool football supporters at Hillsborough in 1989 was undeniably a greater tragedy than the single death, however horrible, of Mr Bigley; but that is no excuse for Liverpool's failure to acknowledge, even to this day, the part played in the disaster by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground that Saturday afternoon. The police became a convenient scapegoat, and the Sun newspaper a whipping-boy for daring, albeit in a tasteless fashion, to hint at the wider causes of the incident. ”

The above explains in part why the Hillsborough fight took so long, the S*n can print whatever it wanted but so many in the UK where happy to believe it and some, despite all evidence to the contrary, continue to believe the lies to this day.

It’s hard to feel a sense of community when large parts of the country think you are scum.




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26 May 2024 14:58:53
There’s various ones you can go on Salah including legend guided ones into the many hundreds of quid but the one we did was £40 for adults.

Which I know isn’t exactly cheap but you get the regular tour/ musuem and we got about 15 mins on the pitch as well. Which for the cost of half a replica shirt I think is really good value like.




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25 May 2024 17:41:29
I just don’t see a world I want United to win anything.

Particularly it now gets them into a European trophy they are going to be favourites for and will stay that way (champs league don’t drop into the Europa anymore) .

Everything City do will always be tainted so I’d rather see United flounder.




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20 May 2024 07:21:37
The thing I loved more than anything else was he actively went out of his way to make it just as much about everybody else as well as him.

In a football world with egos that match the size of their salaries, that’s such a beautiful thing and a real measure of the man.

Also - if you haven’t seen it then have a look at pep guardiolas press conference last night where he is getting emotional talking about klopp and what he has driven him to be.




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19 May 2024 11:07:11
The Europa League was nothing other than a massive disappointment.

I can cope with getting beat in a cup tie but that double wet fart of a performance was so un-Klopp like.




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