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30 Aug 2017 16:47:01
Maybe this will help for the evening rush


Coutinho - Barcelona are still interested. The club and Klopp did not want to sell. Klopp now does not want to keep him and he will likely move.

Lemar - We are interested. Monaco have so far not accepted an offer from us. The offers may or may not include Origi. If we make Monaco an acceptable offer he will likely sign.

Van Dijk - Thus club are still very interested. Soton have repeatedly said they do not want to sell. There has been significant damage done to the relationship with Soton and as such a deal seems unlikely at present. Soton would need to soften their stance and we would need to overpay to get him. He might end up elsewhere.

AOC - We are interested. It does not depend on other transfers. He wants the move and Klopp likes him. Looks like a good chance this will happen.

Koulibaly - There was interest earlier in the summer, we made an offer, it was rejected. Now that Napoli have qualified for the CL and we have left it so late this is a non starter.

Howedes - We were never interested. Has moved elsewhere anyway.

Mahrez - We are not interested.

Draxler - We are not interested.

Drinkwater - We are not interested.

Luan - We were interested. Complex third party ownership issues, will definitely not happen this summer, may be one for later.

GKs - We are not looking to sign any GKs. Lots of speculation about Migs leaving. Eds have not confirmed this in any way. Unlikely to be any change this summer.

Keita - Joining next summer.

Can - Has not signed a new contract. No developments on this. He will want guarantees on involvement. Will be difficult with AOC maybe coming and Keita coming next summer.

Sakho - Wanted by Crystal Palace. We rejected their latest offer. Holding out for more money. The club want rid, will likely be resolved before the end of the window. West Brom might be interested.

Ings - Not likely to go on loan. Will stay and improve fitness with a view to be a rotation option later in the season.

Sturridge - Not going anywhere this summer.

Milner - Not going anywhere this summer.

Origi - Could be loaned out but leaving it late to sort it now.

Moreno - Now very likely to stay

Klavan - Not going anywhere this summer

Lallana - Rumours of Spurs interest. Eds have not confirmed this. Not moving this summer.

Mane - Inter were interested. No plans to sell.


I think that covers just about everyone.

RedDawn

1.) 30 Aug 2017 17:07:25
Good summary RedDawn.


2.) 30 Aug 2017 17:32:01
Thanks, RedDawn. I will just add one more thing. Lemar is on Barca's radar and per French media, he is keen on them as well. We shall see.


3.) 30 Aug 2017 18:09:05
Top marks for opinion RedDawn.


4.) 30 Aug 2017 17:37:27
Excellent summary Reddawn hopefully save the eds some editing this evening!


 

 

06 Aug 2017 22:06:32
Be prepared for the outrage Eds.

Apparently we have agreed to let Coutinho leave.

Let the panic buying commence!

RedDawn

1.) 06 Aug 2017 22:16:07
I'd like to see all those who said we could compete for a top four place say it now. This is a hammer blow to our season.


2.) 06 Aug 2017 22:20:01
Ed's, batten down the hatches and put up the sand bags. It's going to get choppy!


3.) 06 Aug 2017 22:24:09
Heard the same it's all over the Internet.


4.) 06 Aug 2017 22:24:09
Heard the same it's all over the Internet.


5.) 06 Aug 2017 22:41:07
It going be alright who wants that PL trophy dripping in saudi oil anyway.
In FSG we trust. FACT.


6.) 06 Aug 2017 22:34:43
let's get as much as we can then put a bid in for lewendowski bayen munich are shambles at the moment maybe a new challenge might suit him wasn't he at dortmand with klopp too? .


7.) 06 Aug 2017 22:52:13
Lewandowski is on the downward curve of his career.


8.) 06 Aug 2017 23:04:45
Fake News!


9.) 06 Aug 2017 23:09:59
fine if coutinho leaves, especially if he doesn't want to be here.


10.) 06 Aug 2017 23:35:31
Faithinworks, take it you'll be happy with a season of failure.


11.) 06 Aug 2017 23:43:58
The issue isn't if Coutinho goes but the fact that it doesn't leave much time to find a replacement. for this reason I find it hard to believe we would sell. We will see though.


12.) 07 Aug 2017 00:41:10
frankly - obviously not fine with a failed season. but what are you going to do if and when coutinho leaves this summer? just have a cry?
not me, up for the season no matter what happens. look forward to see if we bring anyone in, and if not then will be excited to see how we step up and fill the void.


13.) 07 Aug 2017 01:18:19
It would be a huge blow, yes, but he played on the wing last season. who's expecting to start on the wing this season? Mane and Salah. The reality is whether deliberate or not, we actually have brought in someone new in his position already.

As much as I want him to stay, we also can't hold him against his will. I pray the report isn't true, but if it is, we can survive and hopefully replace him with someone special sooner rather than later.


14.) 07 Aug 2017 01:44:22
Emre Morr would be a fantastic replacement he's younger and quicker than Coutinho. We still do not have a better goalkeeper that can be trusted to do the job and instill confidence in the team. We also need a commanding central midfielder that can balls going through the middle so easily. We give away goals to easy through the middle of the park and set pieces. You don't need to be the best manager to see these mistakes it is so simple to sort out and starts by getting rid of players like Henderson who is so ordinary and the height of our defence will always be beaten.


15.) 07 Aug 2017 04:47:07
Jesus frankly, get a hold of yourself man!


16.) 07 Aug 2017 04:47:11
Lewandowski is not on a downward curve! That is total made up nonsense. It's embarrassing how many agree. He is 28 for god sake. Not to mention his goal tally last season of 43 in all competitions was the best of his career to date. The 42 the season before wasn't too shabby either.

I posted about this the other day, but it is truly shocking how the mentality of our fans has shifted. We'd rather sign a 21 year old with potential than a 28 year old who is ready to lead us to trophies from day one. Lewandowski is probably only second in world football to Luis Suarez as a central striker. If he was available and we turned it down because he is 28, I'd genuinely want heads to roll in our clubs recruitment team because that would be almost laughable. Anybody else remember United signing a 28 year old Van Persie and winning the league with his goals? And his injuries meant he actually was on a downward curve. But he was still good enough to fire them to the title with 30 goals!

{Ed001's Note - as a central striker, Lewandowski is the best in the world. As a player overall though, Suarez is a better player, he does more for the team. It is like comparing Ian Rush and Kenny Dalglish, Rush was without a doubt the better striker, but Dalglish was the better player and you would pick him every time. I am not sure if I am agreeing or disagreeing with you here MKS, just trying to explain my own thinking really, so probably neither!

However, anyone that would not take Lewandowski for their team right at this moment is utterly insane or absolutely clueless. He is world class. He is the kind of player that makes opposition teams completely change their set up to cope with him. He gives defenders panic attacks just leading up to the game they have to deal with him.}


17.) 07 Aug 2017 04:50:07
For all the talk about Klopp and team calling all the shots, this will be another humiliating admittance to our conduct of business in the transfer market - if true this is a big fat slap on Klopp's mouth. I think this deal won't happen though - it's just too short sighted for us to sell Couts when we have a CL match coming so soon. What a way to show our ambition before we start the season.


18.) 07 Aug 2017 05:20:38
I understand your logic Ed, no worries. In fact I probably agree with your assessment on it. Lewandowski scores more goals in a tougher league, but like you say, Suarez does more in terms of pressing, creating etc and probably can win a game from nothing like no other player in the world. As a pure striker though, I'd agree you cannot top Lewandowski. I'm still in shock that someone just insinuated they wouldn't want him. This could take me some time to comprehend.

{Ed001's Note - it is unreal. I think some people just don't actually watch these players play before they make their judgements on them.}


19.) 07 Aug 2017 05:27:27
MKS, this is the most sense i've seen on here for a while! Thanks for proving that there are sensible reds still out there. Ed001, you're spot on too!

{Ed001's Note - cheers hoh.}


20.) 07 Aug 2017 06:02:39
I would love Suarez back, imagine having him up front with attack we have at the moment! Crazy attack! I would take him all day long in place of couts. I am a little worried about the timing to be honest and our ability to find an adequate replacement. Maybe we should ask the question, we will take Suarez and 50 million please lol.


21.) 07 Aug 2017 07:16:59
I would do the same as we did with Suarez. Tell Coutinho he can leave, at the end of the season when we have thoroughly scouted a decent shortlist if replacements.
Only difference is that Suarez also needed that season to upgrade his transfer prospects from Arsenal to Barcelona, Coutinho doesn't need to convince Barcelona to come for him.


22.) 07 Aug 2017 08:19:15
One thing is for sure, Coutinho is no Suarez, he goes missing in games and is definitely replaceable, just hope we do t see Salah as the replacement. At the minute we look really strong in attack, without Coutinho and Lallana injured we lack quality.


23.) 07 Aug 2017 08:20:39
Lewa is a beast of a player, Ed and to me, Klopp's greatest creation. The complete CF who has pace, power, movement, pressing ability, aerial ability, the whole lot. He has NO weaknesses, period. If we ever bought a CF, he would be the one I would get.


24.) 07 Aug 2017 08:22:22
Sorry but Lewandowski is at the wrong end of his career, he'll be 29 this summer, not the age you join the premier league. He's had a great career, but if he joined us at this point there is far to much risk attached to it. The example of van Persie is a poor comparison given that van Persie was familiar with the premier league and didn't need to adjust. If we blew money on Lewandowski we'd be running the risk of doing a Chelsea and signing the equivalent of Shevchenko. I'm not saying he isn't a great player, but at 29 years old, he'd be too much of a risk.


25.) 07 Aug 2017 08:24:47
Spot on, Andy. That is what I would do as well but hey, I'm not the manager nor am I FSG. Those saying that "he's not world class anyway or he's inconsistent so he can go" are deluding themselves and have learnt absolutely nothing from the Torres and Suarez debacles. If we just let him go this season with no time to find a suitable replacement (I don't see anyone out there who can in the short term), we will regret it, period.


26.) 07 Aug 2017 08:43:26
Frankly Mr shankly do you have anything positive to say ever on this page, my god you sound like a child.


27.) 07 Aug 2017 08:46:21
Frankly I understand your opinion mate, but world class players can adapt. Shevchenko came from Italy to the Prem at a time when the tempo in the two divisions were at polar opposites, yes. But he also just failed massively to settle.

The Bundesliga is a similar tempo to the modern day Prem as the league is now flooded with continental managers anyway, but Lewandowski has a playing style suited to the English leagues.

It is always a lottery signing a new striker anyway. Drogba and Ibrahimović did all right adapting to a new league at a later stage in their career, whilst players like Bony and Benteke who were seemingly proven couldn't even adapt to a new club at a younger age; so that shows how it is more down to the individual than just what league they come from.


28.) 07 Aug 2017 08:55:35
Hard work you bet your a good to be around lewandowski would make my team before coutinho.

And if you're banding names of failures in the prem I'll match your shevchenko with an ibrahimovic.


29.) 07 Aug 2017 09:04:31
There aren't any positives, we are going into the new season without our best player, we will in all likelihood replace a top class player with mediocre players (there's a rumour doing the rounds that we're going to sign Oxlade for £28m which supports that point), we haven't been able to bring in our top targets and we still look hopelessly weak in midfield and defence.


30.) 07 Aug 2017 09:17:37
Didn't Utd sign RVP at 29 and then promptly win the league? . I would have no qualms with Lewandoski (not that it will happen thou! )


31.) 07 Aug 2017 09:24:12
There's is no support till it happens.

Reports suggest, nothing has actually happend yet, nothing is certain he hasn't gone yet.

Better to save judgement till the window is shut. It's not healthy to stress so much, bad news it's not been the best news the good news we haven't lost a pre season game we have a qualifier and European football to look forward to and the window is still open. Anything is still possible.


32.) 07 Aug 2017 09:30:44
United only got one really good season out of van Persie, the other two were blighted by injury. So again a poor comparison. As for Ibrahimovic, there was no risk as it was a free transfer, Lewandowski would cost a huge amount of money as well as the wages, so it's very comparable to Shevchenko. A couple of years ago, Lewandowski would be a great signing, but now? Not really, And even then, why leave Bayern when they are already in the Champions League and likely to win the title to come to a club in disarray?

{Ed001's Note - free? Zlatan was far from free.}


33.) 07 Aug 2017 09:41:31
Poor comparison? He helped win the league so worth every penny.


34.) 07 Aug 2017 09:42:24
Spot on Leeeee and BTW, it is only in the Catalan/ Spanish media tabloids printing rubbish on a bid to put pressure on LFC to sell Cou and to also get their fans excited for a new arrival. Discussions may be going on as Ed02 has said BUT there is nothing to it. We should stand our ground like RBL did for Keita and not sell. Cou can then be given a couple of weeks to sort his head out and then come back ready to go for the season. We simply cannot sell our best player, end of. If we do, we might as well be a selling club with no ambition and be done with it.


35.) 07 Aug 2017 09:53:09
Same reason neymar left Barca, money new challenge.

I'm not saying he's the answer but you wouldn't be happy if couts goes, you won't be happy if we replace with a lanzini coz he substandard, you won't be happy if we replace with lewandowski who could be considered world class.

You'd only be happy if we force him stay and make him love us and hate Barca, can't expect 100% from someone who's probable dreamed of playing for Barca, and is forced to stay at liverpool.

On the other hand he maybe happy to 1 more year but it's inevitable he will leave imo so we will face this impasse at some point.


36.) 07 Aug 2017 09:56:20
Lewandoski would easily score 25+ in the EPL and no way is he on a downward curve. Anybody that thinks that are mad and mustn't have watched any other football the last couple of seasons apart from LFC games.


37.) 07 Aug 2017 09:56:23
If couts wants to go take the best price and move on for, we don't want an unhappy player at the club as the eds say players come and go it's just the way of the business.


38.) 07 Aug 2017 13:40:54
Lewandowski's age is not an issue at this time, as he is not injury prone.

He would score for fun in the EPL. We would probably win the league if we signed him.


39.) 07 Aug 2017 18:00:03
Lewzndolski sold be brilliant signing. He's getting on but still on of world's best.


40.) 07 Aug 2017 18:08:36
Anyone who doubts lewandolski is crazy. The guy is one of best players in the world, at peak of his prowess. The issue is. Is he likely to sign for liverpool? Doubt it guys. Let's quit dreaming.


41.) 07 Aug 2017 18:11:42
Lewandolski is pure class and anyone who says otherwise would have serious trouble picking 11 players to field a team. If he's not good enough for you, then who is for god sake. 3 messi's 4 ronaldos and 4 Gareth bales.?

Frankly, lfc are not the most loved team in the world. We have enough haters across the park and down the motorway. We need our fans to SUPPORT our team. What do you suggest we do? Lock the gates of an field forever and give up coz our star player (whom we bought for 8 mil) is getting his dream move. For around 100 mil

Lfc have a habit of giving their very best players special treatment. Coutinio is that man atm. If you think so much of him, as the club do, how can you stand in the way of what was probably his boyhood dream?


 

 

07 Jun 2017 16:53:52
Rumours now circulating that we have moved on from Van Dijk and have made an offer for Stefan De Vrij.

No idea how trustworthy these are.

Any ideas anyone? Eds?

RedDawn

{Ed002's Note - I can't help, sorry. He would however be a good buy.}


1.) 07 Jun 2017 17:17:48
I'd tend to agree on that Ed002. Given that he is in the last year of his contract the fee is likely to also be a bit more reasonable.

A little concerned by the fact that he primarily plays on the right of the CBs though. We saw how much Lovren struggled when he was moved from LCB to RCB.


2.) 07 Jun 2017 17:25:11
Its being reported on Football Italia via Sky that we have had a €20m bid turned down, with Lazio apparently holding out for closer to €35m.

He would be just over half the cost of VVD.

I know nothing about him other than it was reported 2 years ago that he was keen on a move to Liverpool when he left Feyenord, and was ultimately bought by Lazio.

Ed002, would you be able to elaborate on why you think he would be a good option?

Also, any views from peeps who watch the Italian league?

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure where you get the "just over half" rom but De Vrij's contract is running down and he is a very good player who is attracting interest from a number of high-profile sides.}


3.) 07 Jun 2017 18:00:38
Thanks Ed002, I should steer clear of finances!

I was talking purely in terms of reported transfer fees, with Lazio holding for c£30m (€35m according to the Football Italia report) and VVD costing c£60m + or -. I think the figures reported by the journalist who broke the story (can't remember his name) are just over £50m including add ons, although that could indeed go up significantly if tapping up is an issue, as you said in reply to another post.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has not struck any financial deal with Southampton whatsoever.}


4.) 07 Jun 2017 18:21:30
Is De Vrij not a bit of a crock?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}


 

 

10 Apr 2017 10:14:34
My Real Madrid supporting cow orker has sworn blind that Bale is going back to the Premier League this summer.

He says that United is the most likely destination but there is also interest from Chelsea and Liverpool.

I've told him that he needs a long lie down.

Back me up here Eds, there's no way Bale is going to end up at Liverpool, right?

RedDawn

{Ed002's Note - You can tell your cow orker that Bale will not be moving to Liverpool this summer.}


1.) 10 Apr 2017 10:42:06
Thank you Ed002. Quality player but just can't see why he would be attracted to Liverpool and how we could possibly afford him.

Have a great day.

Hope you're enjoying the sunshine if you're UK based at the mo.

{Ed002's Note - It is a pleasant day here thank you.}


2.) 10 Apr 2017 11:15:37
As usual so called liverpool fans say every player is too big for lfc jokers coutinho firming better than any one in thebpremier
If l
Koop wants a player we will get him
1st signing Theo alaves/ attleti.

{Ed001's Note - what has it got to do with being too big? There are a number of reasons why, nothing to do with size, except size of fee and salary.}


3.) 10 Apr 2017 11:49:29
What a strange reply.

I meant it in the way that he is a Cardiff born guy who spent the whole of his youth career on the South Coast and then settled in London, a major capital city. He then moved to Madrid, a major capital city, and lived in the sun being paid £350k a week to do so playing with some of the best players in the world getting to the latter stages of the Champions League every year.

Why on earth would he want to move to the North West of England to a team that has only challenged for their domestic title once in the last 15 years, unless it's going to be for a lot more money. which we can't afford. Only United could even get close to affording what he would want.

It's not about "so called Liverpool fans" saying a player is too big, it's about understanding that this isn't Football Manager where you can just sign whoever you want.


4.) 10 Apr 2017 12:16:33
No player is bigger than the club. 👍🏼.


5.) 10 Apr 2017 13:44:27
Well said Mikey but I'm still working out what someone who orks cows actually does? I'm hoping it's not missing a p in there somewhere.


6.) 10 Apr 2017 13:52:17
How do you ork a cow?

{Ed001's Note - it is obviously a D&D reference....}


7.) 10 Apr 2017 15:32:21
I don't know any cow orkers who support Real Madrid.
I think it's a load of bull.


8.) 10 Apr 2017 23:13:15
You have it all wrong . It's the orkers cow that supports Real Madrid.


 

 

01 Feb 2017 12:49:39
Hi all,

I was just wondering if anyone is aware what the plan with Flanagan is?

He was sent on loan, apparently with some sort of weird clause about having to play a certain percentage of games, but hasn't started a game since October.

Does he have a future at Liverpool or is he one more to be added to the scrap heap?

Cheers all

RedDawn

1.) 01 Feb 2017 16:31:19
Doesn't have a future, he's struggled to get any real game time this season, championship is his level


2.) 01 Feb 2017 22:04:26
Championship my arse . he is quality just had injuries/ issues which have massively hindered his progress. out of site out of mind. love to see him back in a red shirt. cracking little player.


3.) 01 Feb 2017 23:51:10
He's just not quality at all, with Klopp's system you need full backs who are suited to playing like wingers in possession and bombing forward at any given moment. He's simply not good enough or suited to a team who has aspirations to be challenging for trophies. If he wasn't a local lad people the majority of people would judge him completely differently.


4.) 02 Feb 2017 01:49:54
It baffles me how many people still rate him, he had a fairly good season in 13/ 14 but his all round game just isn't up to standard, love the guys passion and commitment but we need to take off the red specs. I think he has made 5 appearances at Burnley, just not good enough for a club who have ambitions of being CL regulars.


5.) 02 Feb 2017 03:39:25
Unfortunately injuries have hampered his career but I wouldn't rule out if he comes back into form he could become very useful to a PL club, but suspect unlikely at liverpool as he's primarily defensively minded.

{Ed025's Note - which is just what you need zimbo..


6.) 02 Feb 2017 10:31:05
Still technically a Liverpool player so he gets my support but I do believe he'll be off probably in the summer. Good player but not for us. Championship level? No, would fit right in with a team like stoke.


7.) 02 Feb 2017 11:17:54
He was brilliant 13/ 14 season and has struggled with injuries since, he hasn't been seen for past couple years so how can anyone really judge him. where he's from has nothing to do with it. that's a massive chip on some people's shoulders.


8.) 02 Feb 2017 12:40:12
Quality. Ignore loans. Unless there is a certain clause to buy him you donr build your tem around someone who isn't going to be here next yearm

A loan is usually just to bulk uo the numbers ans cover your first team.


9.) 02 Feb 2017 06:18:31
Fair play but I don't think that's what Klopp has in mind is what I meant.

{Ed025's Note - liverpools biggest problem is the defence zimbo and flanno cant be much worse than whats there at the moment mate..


10.) 03 Feb 2017 13:03:01
Agree with 25 Flanno for me is an improvement on all 3 current fullbacks that we have. It wasn't a 1 off season really where he looked good, even when called into action at 17 he kept Theo Walcott and his pace in his pocket all game, and played well when given opportunities in other games at 17/ 18.
Injuries have hampered him, so he hasn't been able to pla, He's looked good when I;ve watched his appearances at Burnley too, sadly he's only there to fill out their squad and give it depth. He certainly looks better than Lowton when gien chaces.


11.) 03 Feb 2017 13:36:39
Flanno might not be the greatest footballer but what he brings to the table is passion and desire which you won't see from him unless he is wearing a red shirt! He is a true Liverpool fan that will put it on the line for the club and its in the games against the lesser teams that he could be invaluable for us.

Just think back to the game we beat Arsenal 6-1 he had us up and at em from the first minute and was arguably man of the match against one of the best footballing sides in the league. talent only takes you so far on matchday the rest comes down to heart and Flanno has plenty of that. something we havelacked and has cost us games this season. Its a shame that so called fans will slate off one of the only true Liverpool fans at the club.


12.) 03 Feb 2017 13:08:26
Can you see Flanno been given a chance at Liverpool?


13.) 03 Feb 2017 22:44:46
Flanno is too slow both physically and mentally. Gets done by pace snd tricks every time and offers little going forward.


14.) 03 Feb 2017 22:54:10
Slimz great post.


 

 

 

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08 Nov 2017 12:26:20
One for Harry if you're around (or anyone else for that matter) .

You say that we have to keep Coutinho at all costs despite him not wanting to play for us. But let me turn it around.

If he was playing for Barcelona at the moment, and had stated publicly that he didn't want to play for Liverpool, would you advocate spending £100+mill on him? Or would you want to spend that money on someone else?

Cheers in advance.

RedDawn

1.) 08 Nov 2017 12:49:11
We have signed many players who forced their way out from their previous club! I am not going to judge a player based on a 3 mts video interview.
We are not in a position to loose a player of Coutinho’s caliber. The club stood firm in the summer and you lot allauded the club. I know why you feel a bit confident now! Salah is scoring goals and we have looked better. If it was for the other way around you would be pleading th club to keep him regardless of what he say! I am far too immature to ignore his undoubted quality on the pitch. Top scorer for the last two seasons.

I ll keep him until I am very sure on who we bring in as a replacement. Unfortunately I don’t think we would get anyone of his quality in January.

But I think I ll give up. The amount of stick he has taken from posters from last two weeks he deserves to go!

One injury to Salah and I lll see who you look up to! Coutinho is not a fringe player. He only improves the team not the other way around and when you sell a starter you always loose the quality.


2.) 08 Nov 2017 13:11:44
I don't think you got what I meant.

If Coutinho was playing for Barcelona and told Liverpool that he didn't want to play for Liverpool, would you spend £100+mill on him or would you walk away and say "Ok he doesn't want to play for us, let's buy someone else"

Because that's essentially the position we are in, he doesn't want to play for us and we can get £100+mill for him. So i would rather have £100mill and he be playing for Barcelona than not have £100mill and he be feigning injury for Liverpool.


3.) 08 Nov 2017 13:36:49
I understand what Harry is saying, but I think if you take our front 6 squad (players who can play midfield / up top) without coutinho we are still good on paper. obviously still better with a form coutinho but our players would still compete with most top sides in my opinion.

If sturridge and one of origi / ings/ firmino leave in the next couple windows along with coutinho a quality striker in a similar mold to firmino maybe more of a striker with similar qualities such as Jesus.

My overall point which is simply undeniable that we need to sort out the defence and I think coutinho is the player that wants out, we can recoup a huge sum and we are in a position where arguably we don't need an immediate like for like replacement and we therefore can use the money hopefully to sign the mystical top defender who sorts our problems.

I'm not sure who that player is but I can understand this way of thinking certainly. The argument being coutinho out top defender in would improve the overall capability of the team to get results.


4.) 08 Nov 2017 13:42:37
I Think the time has come to let him go now, it’s clear he isn’t happy still and his performances are not what they were. I’d even go as far as saying let him go in January if the money is right, with or without a replacement. I actually think we are just as dangerous without him and for me the front 3 of Mane, Salah and Firmino are more important for us right now. We will see Adam Lallana again very soon too and the Ox is putting in some good performances too so we certainly won’t be light on numbers.


5.) 08 Nov 2017 13:49:55
Harry, there comes a time where even world class players become detrimental to their teams. Coutinho this season, has either faked injury, or not played like he is fully committed.

It's a quarter of the way into the season and he has barely kicked a ball for us. He doesn't care. We are sitting on a £100m+ asset, and it is currently dead money.

I'd rather see him sold, and reinvest the money, than just keep him to sit in the stands. Never cut off your nose to spite your face.


6.) 08 Nov 2017 14:36:26
Coutinho is our best player, and has been good when playing this season also. don't know how people can say he plays soo poor, i guess people are just mad cuz he wants to go, so the argument that he isn't playing well is beeing thrown out so it makes it better when we again are selling our best player.

{Ed001's Note - no, it is because he has been poor this season, I think you need to go back and watch him again. The amount of times he wasted possession deep in our half was ridiculous.}


7.) 08 Nov 2017 14:52:49
Salah coming in and how he's performed has made Coutinho look bang average at best this season, he's offered nothing. Stoupid its not about been mad he's going its more mad on how he has behaved since the summer. It really makes me laugh when people say he is our best player, no chance. Mane, Salah AND Firmino are all better then he is. I wish somebody could please tell me what he's done for us this season? Nevermind backing him up, have a valid point to why your backing him up.


8.) 08 Nov 2017 15:09:57
Coutinho should leave the club before he starts affecting the atmosphere of the dressing room. I think Isco or Asensio are the best replacements.


9.) 08 Nov 2017 15:30:20
I can't believe it but I'm agreeing with Harry. We will keep him until next Summer.

I fully expect a huge public push by Barcelona in Jan. It looks like Messi isn't gona sign a new contract and so might leave next Summer so they will be leaking rumours of new signings, talks etc etc wholesale to cover themselves. To be the president/ director of football that loses Messi could lose you your job.


10.) 08 Nov 2017 16:00:46
You only have to watch the spurs game back to see how poor he’s been and to back Ed 001’s comment of loosing the ball deep in his own half!


11.) 08 Nov 2017 16:06:01
Curious ed001, do you think if he leaves that we will be a better team? It’s a strange concept, that a situation like this could cause disruption in the dressing room. Do you think that’s the case? It’s a big distraction IMO, and the sooner it’s gone the better. I’ve been clear on this since summer by the way.

I honestly think we could sneak up and have a really good season (2nd or 3rd, unless Citeh have a huge blip) .

{Ed001's Note - when a player feigns injury to avoid playing and then gets back into the team, it disrupts things. Especially whoever loses their place and his friends are going to be annoyed. If he comes back in and stars, then people will forget it and accept the decision, but when he comes back and is crap then it causes problems. He was the latter, whining, refusing to play simple passes as he just wanted to throw himself to the floor to look for free kicks, turned over possession repeatedly and played for himself. That is never a good thing. If it was Marko Arnautovic would be being fought over by the likes of Barca, Madrid, PSG etc rather than having the option to battle relegation at Stoke or battle relegation at West Ham.

Couts is a disruptive influence. Anyway, any player who feigns injury to avoid playing should be treated with the contempt they deserve. I have far more respect for Mascherano, at least he just went on strike so we knew he was a dick. Couts is trying to pretend it is all the fault of the club, when he is being an arse.}


12.) 08 Nov 2017 16:40:45
Well put Ed001 mate.

{Ed001's Note - thank you C.}


13.) 08 Nov 2017 16:43:29
If it was Marko Arnautovic would be being fought over by the likes of Barca, Madrid, PSG etc rather than having the option to battle relegation at Stoke or battle relegation at West Ham.


Sorry ed but not sure what you mean here?

{Ed001's Note - I thought it was fairly obvious I was saying that if whining, diving and giving away the ball repeatedly were a good thing than Arnautovic would not be at a struggling club.}


14.) 08 Nov 2017 18:07:12
Totally agree Ed, I've been slagged off elsewhere for wanting Coutinho gone asap, especially as he's not the player he once was (probably find it again after his move) but we just need to get a deal that is right for us, so we can use his fee to really help us!


15.) 08 Nov 2017 18:03:59
Ed is completely correct. I was one of those who said steadfastly that Cou should not be sold and it was not until Klopp was done with him and wanted rid then I backed Klopp as he decides. I was thinking he would sulk a little bit and then get his head down and do the job.

Alas, that has not happened and frankly things have gotten worse. Cou was a shambles vs Burnley, playing as if he was on the pitch on his own and only passing to Firmino and no one else. He then came back and scored some good goals and helped us beat LC on the road.

Now, it seems he has completely "mailed it in" (U. S expression for downing tools) to the point of feigning injury. I will no longer defend such shananigans and anyone who does that should be ashamed of themselves. Salah has come in and flat out replaced Cou in our system as he is a more complete player than Cou as he can play anywhere upfront including in the no. 10. He should be sold and this should be done with. end of story.


16.) 08 Nov 2017 19:56:24
Lol I actually get it now ED just needed a comma between was and MARko haha my bad.


17.) 08 Nov 2017 20:04:48
It’s a difficult one. The club stood firm in the Summer and said no, if he’s sold in Jan the owners will be seen as soft. Then there is the issue of what message does that send out to the rest of the squad. If you want to leave, spit your dummy out and throw your toys hard enoigh our of the pram and you’ll get your own way.

On the flip side you have a player that fakes injury in order not to play for the club, then plays for Brazil, again what message does that send out to the rest of the squad? Not good and I’m sure he’lll be playing for Brazil against England!

Like Ed001 said it’s disruptive and as Ed002 said, he doesn’t want to be at the club or play for LFC.


18.) 09 Nov 2017 00:04:50
the thing is that if we do keep Couts till the summer transfer window, then we will have 3 maybe 4 big clubs willing to spend big money to get him,
but till then, what do we do with him, if he is not putting the effort in .


19.) 08 Nov 2017 19:02:39
Ahh right Ed, still don't get the first sentence but your explanation clears everything haha, cheers man.

{Ed001's Note - you were right it was my fault I did miss out a comma, apologies. I was rushing and never checked my grammar. It is difficult to spot things like that when you are using a phone to edit, which is why I don't normally reply much when I am on it. I hate making errors like that, sets my teeth on edge.}


20.) 09 Nov 2017 08:41:50
Nailed it Stoupid! He has only played 4 games so far. Scored 2 and assisted 2 yet he is crap! He wants to go so they want to make him look a crap player!


21.) 09 Nov 2017 10:32:19
Thats just a lie, Suarez wanted to leave and nobody ever suggested to let him go because he is crap, no one is saying coutinho is a crap player, if you really think Coutinho has played anywhere close to his normal level then you're deluding yourself, he has been nothing but selfish and a bad influence, faking injuries and acting like a victim. Spare me the nonsense of him being world class or whatever, he simply isn't for us this season, playing for himself knowing no matter what he does Barcelona will still come for him and that he would still be picked for the Brazil national team. To think Luis Suarez is much more of a professional than Coutinho really really tells it all.


22.) 09 Nov 2017 19:45:30
The fact that Suarez was more of a professional than Cou currently, is a scathing indictment on Cou as a player and those defending him, are a complete disgracing and embarrassing themselves.


 

 

16 Oct 2017 16:54:28
Cracking interview with Andrew Robertson on the BBC Sport site at the moment.

Whilst he might not have been everyone's first choice for a LB signing this summer he certainly seems like he's got his head screwed on and is a decent, honest guy.

A good influence at the club it seems and I really hope he can kick on and prove everyone wrong.

RedDawn

1.) 16 Oct 2017 18:12:34
Would be my first choice left back 100%, judging by the little I've seen.


2.) 16 Oct 2017 18:25:29
Rbbb, he's going to have to beat out Moreno first as he tho not great, has improved and his desire and effort is near unrivaled. This is the big leagues now and if Robbo wanted to play every week, he should have gone to Burnley or stayed at Hull. He has to earn his keep, I'm afraid.


3.) 16 Oct 2017 19:39:10
Good comment that Bingo.


4.) 16 Oct 2017 20:03:31
Good comment but ignores the fact that Robbo outclasses Moreno every time he gets a chance.
Like I said previously, Robbo must just toss it off in training, probably because he realises he's not being dropped because of his performances. Hard to get motivate when you don't get what you deserve.


5.) 16 Oct 2017 21:27:00
True that Ron.


6.) 16 Oct 2017 21:37:36
Why are people not shutting down Ron! He says Klopp is not treating Robertson fairly.


7.) 16 Oct 2017 22:09:26
Harry, Ron is voicing his opinion. I did not voiced an opinion. I posted a fact based on Ed01's answer to this question when it was previously asked. Ed01 mentioned this exact reason I put up, as the reason why Robbo is not playing. If you have a problem with this answer, Ed01 is the one to air your grievance to.


8.) 16 Oct 2017 22:35:29
does anyone else think klopp is a magician just think the likes of grujic Milner ward solanke Robertson seem to have dissapeered they never get any game time. yet the likes of hendo can gini Moreno mignolet are picked virtually every week and I can honesty say not one of them have set the world on fire klopp is so stubborn on his selections. i would love to see ward solanke Robertson given a run of games.


9.) 16 Oct 2017 22:38:39
Bingo, I'm all for competition mate. But people say you can't drop Moreno because of his current form; what does that say to Robertson who has arguably been better than Moreno both times he's played?

I just think Moreno, though I love his desire etc, is far too rash when lunging in to allow us to be safe at the back.


10.) 16 Oct 2017 22:31:08
Just goes to prove that even at that level good competition for places is better than a kick in the arse.

Biggest game of the season so far tomorrow night,

Come on the reds!


11.) 17 Oct 2017 06:18:50
If that was my comment Bingo you would have tore me a new one! Fact!


12.) 17 Oct 2017 08:31:43
RBB, again that is your opinion, one which I and incidentally Klopp disagree with. If you want Robbo to play at all cost, take the LFC manager's job and play him yourself cos it seems that it matters a lot to you. I personally don't care who plays provided they do the job. This is all about opinions and nothing more.


13.) 17 Oct 2017 10:17:59
Moreno wouldn't get a game for any other club in the top half of the premier league. He cannot defend, he doesn't have the aptitude and his crossing/ attacking is no better than average. There must be a non-footballing reason why he keeps getting selected.


14.) 17 Oct 2017 10:45:50
I love these stories. The give an insight to the man and, as Ed001 has frequently said, today's players tend to lack the drive to kick on as they have things handed to them on a plate. Robertson clearly hasn't had that and has had to fight to get to where he is.

Will he be good enough for Liverpool? I don't know, although I agree he has been impressive in his performances to date.

However, I know that it will not be for the want of trying.

His attitude strikes me to be a bit like Kuyt, a grafter. let's hope he has as much, if not more, success.

Definitely a good influence around the dressing room.


15.) 17 Oct 2017 13:08:58
We need to alter our perspective. Too many people wanting triers rather than winners.
Sadly, young Robbo can try all he wants but the fact is he just doesn't have the ability to make a mark on this team.
Pay peanuts, you get .


 

 

16 Oct 2017 11:00:09
Morning Ed001,

One for the list if you don't mind.

Michael O'Neill and Martin O'Neil.

But primarily the first one. He seems to have done wonders with NI and I was just wondering your opinion about him in general and whether you think he has the chance to make it at one of the top clubs?

Martin O'Neil I have always felt has been stealing a living as a football manager but i'll await your judgment on him as well.

Cheers in advance.

RedDawn

{Ed001's Note - I have added both mate, thanks for that.}


1.) 16 Oct 2017 11:50:33
I love Micheal O'Neill. He has done wonders with the GAWA but there is a massive difference with making the most out of what you have to work with, in our case about 22 footballers and having money and assembling a team. Im not saying he couldn't do it but personally i think he should stick to the great job he is doing with us, just give him a good pay rise, he deserves it! 😉😉.


 

 

12 Oct 2017 13:32:25
A question for Ed001 if you're around mate.

We all know that you are a big admirer of Firmino, most of us are as well.

So I was wondering if there was any player in the world, that Liverpool could feasibly get (ie not Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo etc etc) that you would swap for Firmino at the moment?

If so, who, and if not, why?

Cheers in advance.

RedDawn

{Ed001's Note - I can't think of anyone I would swap him for that we could get.}


1.) 12 Oct 2017 14:05:32
Good question actually mate. For his position (s) who would be willing to join us, who is as good as Firmino. That's a difficult one.


2.) 12 Oct 2017 15:16:22
I know this would be controversial but Suarez is the one player whose natural style would suit us 100%.

Whether he would be available?
We wouldn't know till we tried,
Maybe he'd be willing to work with Klopp,

Firminio is Suarez minus the goal tally, IMO.


3.) 12 Oct 2017 16:11:54
That's such a tough question! Any answer is going to seem like I'm dis honouring Bobby who it is impossible not to love if you're a lfc fan. There must be someone out there who would improve us at CF. Who we could sign. It's not only goals that firmino brings and I think we looked awful against Newcastle without him. (Sorry sturridge, love ya bro) suarez is a good shout. Sanchez maybe.


4.) 12 Oct 2017 16:23:31
Mot interested in Suarez return thanks. 🤝.


5.) 12 Oct 2017 16:24:25
What about Alexis Sanchez?


6.) 12 Oct 2017 16:29:58
Agree with the above comment that Bobby is Suarez without the goals, such a great player and so underrated, if only he could hit the back of the net more often! Maybe he can improve this area of his game though I’d suggest it’s much easier to get better at finishing/ shooting than it is to get better at all the things Bobby is already great at. Have to say I’d swap him for Sanchez though because that is what Bobby would be if he scored more regularly.


7.) 12 Oct 2017 17:40:30
Hazard?


8.) 12 Oct 2017 17:42:05
Carassco would pawnz Firmino when played in false 9.


9.) 12 Oct 2017 18:10:19
Timo Werner or Alexis Sanchez for me. Firmino to play as a number 10.


10.) 12 Oct 2017 18:44:24
Lewandowski isn't happy in Bayern he knows klopp system and I'm pretty sure he will do very well with us.


11.) 12 Oct 2017 18:54:48
Probably Dres Mertens.


12.) 12 Oct 2017 19:12:37
It's amazing how fans insist an out an out striker would not fit into Klopps system if one was to replace Firminho up top. Aren't Lewandowski and Aubemyang out and out strikers who have had exceptional success under Klopps system in the past.

{Ed025's Note - very much so jayden, its these apologists who bury their head in the sand and pretend nothings wrong mate..


13.) 12 Oct 2017 19:13:26
Dries Mertens. Having a hell of a time at Napoli. Unlikely to be available though. He's great with Insigne, like Coutinho and Firmino but quicker.


14.) 12 Oct 2017 19:34:51
Jayden, it is a matter of opinion and no one is an apologist just cos they disagree with you. That is a myopic way of thinking. I love Lewa (have done so for ages) and I would love him too while Aubameyang clearly has issues as NOBODY bid for him in the summer which means he ain't worth it. Klopp knows him very well so if he did not sbid for him, there must be a reason why.

Back on topic, I would take Sanchez in a heartbeat to replace Firmino as he is both Suarez and Firmino rolled up in one. I do love Firmino tho as many strikers cannot do what he is good at which like it or not, is essential in Klopp's system, a system that has produced near 200 goals (190 to be exact) in the last two season, in all comps.


15.) 12 Oct 2017 20:07:01
Bingo have you been drinking. Ed 25 commented about apologist thinking and I never mentioned anyone disagreeing with me 🤦🏻‍♂.


16.) 12 Oct 2017 20:13:20
Really BR "Suarez and Firminio rolled up in one? " What have you been smoking? Only Messi and Ronaldo are above Suarez and I include Bale and Neymar in that. Suarez can carry a team on his back, can Sanchez?


17.) 12 Oct 2017 21:23:18
a fit younger tevez.


18.) 12 Oct 2017 21:48:38
Bingo. You love to keep throwing out stats of how much we score ect. Yes we score plenty of goals but having a lewandowski or whoever up front would help us even more that's not even a debate. If you wanna throw out stats klopp has a win percentage that is less than a manager we sacked 2 years ago to replace him? Is it time to replace him as stats don't lie obviously? I don't want klopp sacked by the way. Forget about stats!


19.) 12 Oct 2017 23:25:48
Vardy?


20.) 12 Oct 2017 23:32:02
always thought if firmino had Sturridge's 2012 pace and finishing, and coutinho had suarez' mongrel then we'd be unstoppable.


21.) 13 Oct 2017 01:58:31
I wish if I knew what all Firminio fans are smoking. Yes he looks good but we are elevating him over the top.

Yes there is no harm in dreaming.


22.) 13 Oct 2017 05:35:12
what about danny ings? a fit ings with firmino can give defenders nightmares during the game.

{Ed001's Note - I doubt he will be back to anything like his best for a season or even two or more.}


23.) 13 Oct 2017 08:08:24
IR, your post makes very little sense. I am not a stats guy either cos any stat can be used to make a point while another can be used to debunk it. I used that statistic cos it is relevant to the discussion as to whether Klopp's system will benefit more with a natural striker. The proof is that a striker like Lewa or Suarez could well work as one has played in a high press system while the other is Klopp's creation and knows his system inside out. Apart from those two, I don't know anyone who can do the job and play the way Firmino plays. The stat I put out about goals scored is a fact that cannot be disproven by any other stat or metric. This is where stats matter.

As for your stat comparison with BR having a better win pct than Klopp, that is a red herring as there are many factors to consider there. Klopp found a worse team (w/ o Suarez, SG and Suarez with an injured Studge) than the one BR had in 2014. Most of BR's wins game in that 11 game win streak in 2014. His last 18 months on the job were dire hence, he got the sack.

To conclude, BR is not a patch on Klopp in any shape or form and the facts bear that out. Klopp is a winner and has proven his worth in Germany, not Scotland (with leagues and cups to prove it) and in Europe (he has played in a CL and EL final) and has improved us since the shambles left behind by. BR. These are facts that cannot be disputed by any other stat or metric. Apart from all that, I agree, Forget about stats.


24.) 13 Oct 2017 08:23:55
N'gog?

{Ed001's Note - obviously top of the list is Nogoals mate.}


25.) 13 Oct 2017 09:37:29
I would love to see more of Ings, unfortunately the poor fella has had too much bad luck since signing, I think there's a hidden gem in him. Question is will we ever see it? it looks doubtful but we can only hope, stand by him and wish his fitness all the best.

Personally I think a loan to somewhere like Newcastle would suit him down to the ground, gets him some games, gets his fitness back up, then hopefully he can return fresh for us. Well that'd be the ideal situation, let's see how it pans out. On the other hand, though I'd be gutted to see it happen, it wouldn't surprise me if we got rid.


26.) 13 Oct 2017 10:24:58
NGOg the hero scoring that goal at end of Man U game.


27.) 13 Oct 2017 11:03:20
There was a time city signed to robinho by just chucking money at him.

Sanchez might not want the move bu5 I'd back the lot on him. 300k per week 4 year deal and like a 30 mil signing on fee which in itself would be half or a quarter of his transfer fee. Just see if he bites.

If we signed him, it would he easier signing other tip players as city proved after by signing theblikes of toure, Silva and aguero.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has zero interest in Sanchez.}


 

 

03 Oct 2017 21:41:34
Hi Eds,

Just an idea. Could we have a pinned post on the "Other" page with the current Intergalactic squad just updated when the new positions are chosen? (no responses allowed of course)

Nice idea this btw, liking the discussions :)

Cheers in advance.

RedDawn

{Ed002's Note - It is complicated by my time.}


 

 

 

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29 Sep 2017 14:14:09
That was a joke btw. didn't think i had to qualify that.

RedDawn

{Ed025's Note - i did get that mate..


 

 

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29 Sep 2017 13:31:59
If Klopp does get sacked there's this young Northern Irish managed in Scotland at the moment doing well

Brodgers or something like that.

He might be worth a shout.

RedDawn

{Ed025's Note - i could manage celtic and win that league dawn..


 

 

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26 Sep 2017 13:12:02
I think we need to accept that the vast majority of players want to play at the very highest level and if they are good enough then there will be interest in them from the very best teams.

To avoid such things happening we need to be challenging for honours every year, domestic and european.

It is very rare that the best players will want to leave the best clubs and will generally only happen when there are other situations going on in the background. Costa leaving Chelsea and Neymar leaving Barcelona being two examples.

To get the best players and keep the best players you need to be towards the very top of the pyramid, at the moment we aren't. Hopefully that can change.

RedDawn

 

 

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31 Aug 2017 10:59:15
I love rumours like this.

RedDawn

 

 

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30 Aug 2017 16:25:29
Are people actually taking this seriously? This was clearly a sarcastic post. jeez.

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20 Nov 2017 13:11:48
I heard a story about Pulis. I can't vouch for it's accuracy but it came from someone who was involved with the club in question at the time.

Pulis was playing for Newport County in the mid 80s. One week then Bournemouth manager, Harry Redknapp, came down to Newport to watch Pulis himself after getting a recommendation.

It got to about 25 minutes in and Redknapp was not impressed by Pulis at all, he was considering leaving at half time because no one on the County team was anywhere near good enough.

However during the first half a player in Newport County kit came over and sat down not far from Harry. It took him at least 10 minutes before he introduced himself as Tony Pulis. Redknapp turned to him and said "What the f*** are you doing here? I came to watch you"

Turns out Pulis had picked up an injury earlier that day and didn't play. Harry had been looking at the wrong player the whole time.

The two of them chatted for the whole game about football and tactics and got on incredibly well. Pulis was signed for Bournemouth without Harry ever having watched him play.


A nice story, I really hope it's true.

RedDawn

 

 

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08 Nov 2017 13:11:44
I don't think you got what I meant.

If Coutinho was playing for Barcelona and told Liverpool that he didn't want to play for Liverpool, would you spend £100+mill on him or would you walk away and say "Ok he doesn't want to play for us, let's buy someone else"

Because that's essentially the position we are in, he doesn't want to play for us and we can get £100+mill for him. So i would rather have £100mill and he be playing for Barcelona than not have £100mill and he be feigning injury for Liverpool.

RedDawn

 

 

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08 Nov 2017 11:14:46
I don't get this clamouring over a player that doesn't want to play for us.

He has not been good this season at all, save for a couple of wonder moments that only come when he looks like he's trying.

We need to move on from him and look to the future as the future does not have him in it.

If he were to leave in January then fine, it's not a big loss to lose a player who looks like he's not trying and doesn't want to play for us.

RedDawn

 

 

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21 Oct 2017 14:19:31
Agreed he is excellent.

I fully expect him to take over from Wenger at Arsenal if i'm honest. Or maybe Barcelona will be in for him.

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18 Oct 2017 16:51:04
I don't see any reason why we can't play both.

TAA has shown enough in the games he has played for us not to be too worried about him and Gomez looks better every game at the moment.

Gomez can't be any worse at CB than Matip or Lovren so I would put him in instead of one of them and give him time to forge a relationship.

I would also have TAA and Clyne fighting for RB. Like someone has said TAA especially when we need quality delivery from out wide to unlock stubborn defences.

RedDawn