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27 May 2018 13:36:43
Absolutely gutted for the boys - not for the result but for the manner of it. I was really hoping for some beautiful attacking play worthy of our run to the final, but while the first 30mins promised much, the way Salah was dragged down and injured, and the way we played so poorly after he left, and watching Karius crumble on the big stage was devastating.

I sincerely hope the whole team can pick themselves up from this, as we seem to be on the brink of something truly special. The biggest disaster of all would be if we let something like this impact the momentum going into next season.

Now for some home truths

- I've always felt the gap between our front three and the rest was ridiculously big. So it proved last night, not just in talent but also in style. Our game relies on Firmino dropping deeper to act as playmaker and to create space, with a pair of wide attackers able to use their pace and movement to take advantage, get into the box and score. We clearly don't have anyone else in the squad able to do that apart from Mane and Salah, and with only one of them on the pitch the opposition can shut us down all to easily. We need a top top wide attacking forward in the transfer window to allow us to remain a threat if any of the front three are injured/ need a rest. It's critical. RM must have been laughing when we took off Salah and brought on Lallana. They knew we wouldn't be nearly as dangerous.

- I've been proud of Gini and Milner individually this season, they've given everything, but it is also clear that they both need the front three to click or we look toothless. Without Mane, Salah and Firmino on fire, our midfield is exposed for what it is - workmanlike. We need someone able to pick the game up and create danger if the front three are struggling, and hopefully Keita is that player. Kroos and Modric schooled us once Salah went off and we can't let that happen again.

- GK. I've been one of Karius's backers, mostly because Mig's was clearly not the answer, but I think Karius will take time to get over this, and the team will need time to trust him again. I think it's critical after the final that we go all out for the best GK we can get to start next season. Karius may come back, and I hope for his own sake he grows to live this down and succeeds in the long run, but unfortunately we can't go into next season with him as our no.1, there's too much at stake

- Finally, I think Klopp missed a trick. It was clear going into half time we were struggling with Lallana out wide. I think he needed to shake it up and put Ings or Solanke on earlier and dropped Firmino into the 10, with Lallana in midfield. We should have realised we lacked any threat, trusted our FB's to push up to create the width and pace instead and really gone for them but that's always easy to say in hindsight.

I hope above all we get over this performance and learn, continue to grow and strengthen the squad. We've had some incredible memories from this season and we can do better still if we don't let this get to us.

YNWA lads. Thanks for a wonderful season and here's to the next.


1.) 27 May 2018 14:53:04
ings wasnt on the bench so you can expect klopp to put him on really can ya.

2.) 27 May 2018 16:55:41
I don't have qualms with lallan being brought on, throwing an inexperienced player into a game like that would be hard. I think we should have matched their diamond and played firmino and mane up top. We know they'll roam around anyway.

3.) 27 May 2018 17:08:03
I don’t think Ings was in the CL squad 😄.

4.) 27 May 2018 18:17:24
Win as a team, lose as a team. Don't care what the results is they are my team and I am proud they made it to the final. "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win. ". -Bill Shankly.

5.) 28 May 2018 01:07:30
My bad - of course Ings wasn’t an option, i guess the point was, we didn’t have another wide forward that Klopp could replace Salah with, we were forced to changed our system and we went from being on top to being under pressure the rest of the match.

6.) 28 May 2018 07:10:17
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Reality is Klopp watches his players daily and is in a better position to judge. We lost, we will recover and hopefully use this as a great catalyst to go again. Onwards and upwards.

7.) 28 May 2018 08:57:25
Inexperienced players - Trent alexander and Robinson were pretty inexperienced.

8.) 28 May 2018 10:08:10
Woodburn should've been given a spot on the bench and would've been a better option than Lallana. He's the kind of player who can come off the bench and produce a bit of magic, like on his Wales debut for example. The fact we had 3 defenders and 2 midfielders on the bench certainly didn't help. I still don't think Klopp did all he could've to get back into the game, waiting until the 83rd minute and then bringing on Can was pretty pointless. If you need a goal, bring on a striker for dog's sake. Or even Moreno could've had more of an impact, and of the options that were on the bench I'd actually have brought him on to play inside-left instead of Lallana.

9.) 28 May 2018 10:45:30
I would personally have put on Solanke and played Firmino more as a 10 but everyone’s a genius with the benefit of hindsight.

10.) 28 May 2018 15:19:41
Yeah SGRed that would've been worth a shot as well, and of course hindsight is 20/ 20 but my main point is that Klopp did nothing at all. Seemed like he was as stunned as the players were by the combination of the three shocking moments, but that is exactly when you need a manager with a cool head to put any kind of plan in place to try and save the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Klopp, but it's a definite weakness of his.

11.) 28 May 2018 23:34:44
Agree Jurgen Meister. Kloppo gets his subs wrong often when we're losing.

First of all, Ings should've been on that bench as the most like-for-like for the front 3. Of course, not in quality but at least in mobility and versatility. He would've been my choice when Salah webt off injured. We needed to keep the width and stretch them.

Even when we went 2-1 down I would've brought Clyne on at RB and pushed TAA forward. Take Milner off as his legs were done and slot Lallana in the middle. Lallana always struggles playing wide.

Oh well, game is done and I'm not a coach lol.

{Ed0333's Note - so glad your not our coach Greg.




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08 Oct 2018 04:33:52
The team looks a little tired. think the break has come at the right time for us this time around. Our front three hasn't been clicking as well as usual, with 2 goals in 4 games and limited chances compared to our normal blistering attack.

The good news is we're still top, despite not being on best form, and after a tough run including Chelsea, Tottenham and City. We have a few fixtures now which hopefully can see us build a bit of momentum provided our front 3 starts to click and score goals soon.

Just a side note that our defense has been fantastic. provided we can sort out scoring goals again we'll be there or there abouts.


1.) 08 Oct 2018 11:27:24
SGRed, you forgot to add PSG and Napoli to that list as well BUT spot on with your comment.

2.) 08 Oct 2018 15:27:48
Our front three won’t score unless our midfield support them! The best we played this season was against saints in the first half with 4 attackers in the side.
Klopp need to explain why he signed Shaqiri!

3.) 08 Oct 2018 15:28:32
Leroy Sane has to be the most fearsome substitute in the Premier League.
I thought Alisson’s aura may have intimidated Mahrez too, he went for a blockbuster into the top corner.
I’ll take a point after that.
Fernandinho should have had a red though.

4.) 08 Oct 2018 19:30:17
Spot on, Juicer. How Fernandinho is able to finish games (he does this all the time) in the PL, I have NO idea if you consider the elbows he keeps throwing at players and his counter-breaking fouls.

As for Mahrez and Allison, I would be intimidated too cos Allison is a man-mountain.



04 Oct 2018 03:23:04
Quick thoughts

- Napoli played well, but we didn't half make it difficult for ourselves and were sloppy in possession
- our workmanlike midfield is fine when our front three is firing but we seem to have lost that killer touch upfront
- we are starting to look a bit tired in the legs, think we needed to rotate for the last game

I'd like to see us playing Shaqiri in midfield against Citeh. get some energy back into the attack with some momentum through midfield. Ideally a 4-2-3-1 with Sturridge upfront and Mane, Firmino, Shaqiri behind him

Still in good shape and we haven't lost any critical games, but this weekend is key to us getting back on track as we haven't been at our best.


1.) 04 Oct 2018 06:23:11
I hear you, SG Red. But I wouldn't start Shaqiri in midfield. He is a great creative player, but is nowhere close to our other midfielders in defensive / press qualities. He will get there, and is still learning the ropes of our pressing style, but I believe it will take time.
I would start with the same starting lineup as yesterday (potentially change Keita for Hendo if he is injured), and have Shaqiri and Sturridge as planned 60th min subs if we need to up the ante on goal scoring.
Being in front of our home support at Anfield will fire the team on. I think we need to improve the number of bodies in the box when we attack. Firmino and Mane are playing pretty deep, and the midfielders hardly ever make a run into the box these days. If we can mix things up with runs from midfield, it will free up our forwards to do what they do best.

2.) 04 Oct 2018 06:41:19
Like Ed1 I just think it was a bad performance against a very good side after a tough run of games. The plus side is we are seeing we have at last got a top class keeper.

{Ed001's Note - were they a very good side last night? I didn't see any evidence of that. Like us, they were awful and struggled to get anything going.}

3.) 04 Oct 2018 06:56:10
Yeah not a great performance and Napoli played well especially when they didn’t have the ball. Salah has very little space in games at the moment. Seems to get swarmed by defenders. That’s something Klopps going to have to work out, how to get front three firing again. Big plus last night was Alisson. My word we have a goalie there boys and girls. Thought CBs had a good game too. We still have a good chance to qualify for CL. Bounce back for Sunday now.

{Ed001's Note - did Napoli play well? I must have watched a different game because they were crap too I thought. Just slightly less crap than us.}

4.) 04 Oct 2018 07:19:17
I disagree, Ed01 respectfully. Napoli were way better than we were. We were crap all over the shop.

{Ed001's Note - disagree all you want, but Napoli were dreadful as well. They were just less dreadful than Liverpool, which is why the game was so bad.}

5.) 04 Oct 2018 07:31:46
Ed001 I think people mean naps played well because they where clearly up for it more then us closed down and wanted to win more

Allan had a good game set there tempo I thought.

{Ed001's Note - Allan played well, but that is no surprise as I said in the summer he should have been the one Chelsea bought not Jorginho. However the rest of the team were woeful. Insigne was shooting like he had his eyes shut, their passing was as poor as us and it was nothing to do with being closed down that saw us give the ball away repeatedly. We were messing up simple passes through poor touches or slips under no pressure. Napoli were crap last night and will have to improve a lot if they are to go any further, but I doubt they will as without Sarri they are half the team they were.}

6.) 04 Oct 2018 07:46:11
Thats what this sites about, we all have our opinions and on this occasion I can't agree with yours Ed1. Have a good day.

7.) 04 Oct 2018 07:57:30
I am starting to feel sorry for Shaq. Salah is way out of form but Shaq still doesn't get a start. He must be beginning to think that he is undroppable. Salah has no incentive to do better as well. Klopp stI'll can't make game changing substitutions.

8.) 04 Oct 2018 08:27:19
Aside from all the times this season when he has made game changing substitutions?

9.) 04 Oct 2018 09:25:58
Napoli were good, especially in the second half. They didn't give us a sniff. Koulibaly is incredible. Watched him for the 1st time last night.

10.) 04 Oct 2018 10:41:05
Ed your right I think the one thing we lack is a controlling midfield who dictates play for me Ruben neves would b perfect then the likes of allan, I still would of liked fekir even though he is not a midfielder he is creative and a goalscorer, although our front 3 have done great things I feel the service behind them could do with improving.

11.) 04 Oct 2018 12:35:01
I agree with Ed1 wholeheartedly here. Napoli were really poor last night it’s just that we were really, really poor. Had Napoli played well they’d have done us 4-0 we were that bad.
As it goes they needed a last gasp goal to beat a team that pretty much walked around for 90 minutes and gave them the ball back every time we got it.
I’d be lying if I said I’m not a bit concerned I really didn’t think we had a performance like that in us. City could go either way. We could’ve had one eye on that game hence the poor showing so could be firing on Sunday or, heaven forbid we actually tried our hardest last night and could lose confidence for Sunday.
I just hope it’s not the latter because even if we play 100% better than we did last night against City they will hammer us. We need an extra 200% all over the pitch on Sunday.

12.) 04 Oct 2018 13:01:11
In my opinion both teams were shocking but I don't think Liverpool really tried to win in the second half. If they did I think they would have been comfortable. It seemed like they were happy with a point.
When you don't try to win you are always in danger of losing and that's what happened with a late goal.
It just doesn't suit the team to sit back and absorb when the game is in the balance.

13.) 04 Oct 2018 16:13:15
Agree with SG,

Shaqiri was signed for a purpose and its high time we play him. What is this “he hasn’t learned the pressing”? Nonsense. He works hard and I don’t care if he doesn’t track back enough. We could ask the two CM’s to hold the line but cannot afford to play without a 4th attacker which has been our real issue this season. No goals from midfield and when the front three aren’t firing we look like Chelsea without hazard!
City would come and score. We need to out score them.

Hendo, Wiji and Milner won’t score goals. Shaqiri has a better chance to nick one.
When did our CM ever made runs into the box other than AOC? Most of them wants to play the deeper role to avoid this. I don’t expect them to charge into the box as their composure is pretty poor anyways.
Shaqiri is a must if you want to beat city under any kind of score line!

14.) 04 Oct 2018 16:18:45
This problem with the simple passes being messed up by poor touches has been happening all season. It will resolve itself - let us just hope that it begins on Sunday. I don't agree with the calls to drop Salah - the knack of scoring goals will only reappear on the pitch. if one or two other players could come up with goals it would remove the pressure a little.

15.) 04 Oct 2018 18:09:02
look, we got out played, out passed and didn't offer anything, thank god Allison and the defence all played well, or it could have been worse, and let in 2 or 3 goals,
Salah has to be rested for a couple of weeks, he looks weak to me,
I just hope that we raise our game and beat City, or we won't be winning any League .

16.) 04 Oct 2018 19:10:31
Harry, as much as I agree with you with that midfield selection as it is set up to contain rather than drive forward, Shaq for me, is STILL not the answer here esp. in a game where we simply could not hold on to the ball esp. in the second half, to save our own arses. I can count how many times we had either a free/ goal kick and as and right after the replay of the play that led to them (which is about 30 seconds), Napoli already had the ball back/ we already lost it. I was stunned into disbelief. Whether Napoli were crap or not, we can disagree on that all we want BUT what is inexplicable, is how pathetic we were at doing the simplest of things, as Ed01 said.

As for dropping Salah, that is ludicrous, IMO. He may be struggling right now BUT he still strike fear into the opposition and I'm sure Pep is having flashbacks of how he ripped them a new 3 of the 4 times we played last season. If you think Pep is sleeping easy cos Salah is having an rough time, he of all people knows that Salah can go off on them come Sun. Salah plays and Shaq waits his turn, end of.

17.) 04 Oct 2018 21:34:48

If Shaqiri is not the answer then we should not have signed him! It’s as simple as that! We chased a similar left footer in Fekir and then signed Shaqiri.
You do realize we are actually playing with 2 DM in every match. Ie Henderson and Wijnaldum.
How do anyone expect us to score goals?
Not only they couldn’t score but they cannot control the tempo either.



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{Ed002's Note - I'll try and let someone know but they do get a large number of requests.}

1.) 21 Aug 2018 13:12:51
I can't do it until Salah is back.

GWS bud.



10 Aug 2018 05:50:32
Interesting Window.

Liverpool did the best of the top 6 IMO, with 4 quality incoming players addressing very specific needs in the side.

Can't believe Tottenham and Man Utd, I would have guessed Tottenham try strengthen their bench and Mourinho resolve a few problem areas but happy they didn't.

City didn't need anyone but did well to bring in Mahrez as Sterling still struggles in front of goal. Still most likely winners.

Arsenal I'm not too sure about, decent players and made sensible moves to fix problems but not stellar. Think they have more rebuilding to do at the back and through their midfield but their attack looks great so who knows?

Chelsea came from nowhere to have a good window. Courtois was always going to go so although perhaps a late panic, Kepa was a key move. I really think they did well strengthening in midfield with quality signings Jorginho and Kovacic. Still think their main weakness is striker with Morata a big question mark. Did well though in the end.

Notable also how many fantastic signings some others achieved.

Wolves looked inspired with Patricio, Traore, Dendoncker, Moutinho.

Fulham also did brilliantly with Schurrle, Mawson, Mitrovic, Seri and Vietto.

I think those two clubs are going to be hard to beat if they can gel all they new players together quickly enough!

Everton got in 6 quality signings, think they'll be much more competitive this year.

Think this is going to be one of the most interesting seasons ever!


1.) 10 Aug 2018 06:34:42
I’m not entirely convinced by Chelsea’s window to be honest, is Kepa on Courtois level right now? I’m not sure he is, and I have a feeling Jorginho might find the physicality of Premier League a bit of a struggle at first.

2.) 10 Aug 2018 07:00:11
I suspect they may struggle but more because they have a new manager and need to adapt to an entirely new system of play rather than because of their players. They still have Kante, Drinkwater, Fabregas, and others in midfield with plenty of experience to help keep things ticking over as he adapts.

I think their second half of the season might be better than the first.

3.) 10 Aug 2018 07:26:50
I am not worried by Chelsea 1 bit. Sorry but kepa is not on the same level as Courtios so they have weakened there. Jorginho will do well but only until he gets knocked around abit then I think he'll fade away morata is not good enough to win you a league title. Arsenal will do ok but still have a soft underbelly to the side. Spurs rely on Kane being on form for 38 games. Man United will always be up there especially with Jose boring he may be but still a very good manager. Liverpool rely on lovren not having an off day as I think he is the weakest of our best 11 not that he is weak but he is capable of an error. City wish they wasn't but they are a class apart and rightly favourite for the league.

4.) 10 Aug 2018 08:21:33
Realistically we can’t judge who had the best window until the players actually play some meaningful games for all teams. I’m sure there will be some so called big name signings struggling and others taking this season by storm. One thing for sure though I can’t wait for it to kick off. going to be a fantastic season in my opinion.

{Ed025's Note - i agree JK..

5.) 10 Aug 2018 08:29:15
I’m glad that Chelsea went and broke the transfer record for a goalkeeper as it takes some the pressure off of Alisson. But all in all we’ve had a great window.

6.) 10 Aug 2018 08:37:24
i think before the season has even started cardiff are relegated. its a shame.

7.) 10 Aug 2018 09:11:06
COD you say we rely on Lovren to not have a bad day but what about City with Stones and Otamendi? It’s unlikely Kompany will play all season and I’d take VVD and Lovren over Stones and Otamendi any day of the week.
I just hope teams exploit them this season instead of just accepting defeat against City.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think teams just roll over bobby, they cant do much when city are on the front foot as they have an excellent midfield and attack mate..

8.) 10 Aug 2018 09:11:32
Akrubbish not sure if it’s a shame mate. When you see how Warnock has Cardiff set up to play I think it will be for the good of the league for them to have only a short stay.

9.) 10 Aug 2018 10:37:04
Chelsea didn't get top 4 with courtouis, we got to champions league final with karius. That's the difference.

They still haven't replaced matic and costa. There 2 best players for me.

How do you sell those 2 after winning the title, who dismantled a title winning side 😂

So basically it's jorginho and kovacic. They will be good because of sarri but there no stronger imo.

And still have the same players that have decided not to play and get rid of 2 title winning manager's. Hazard just needs to get into a huff because how hard sarri wants him to work and go to Roman and say I'll stay if he goes.

THEY do it all the time. Jose and ant have found that out.

10.) 10 Aug 2018 11:39:42
I think everyone is underestimating Chelsea I expect they will do very well this season, I have them down for 3rd just behind us and city.



05 Aug 2018 18:47:55
Watching City and Chelsea in the community shield felt a bit like Liverpool vs Napoli. Chelsea were trying to press but City bypassed then easily and created chance after chance.

I predict it'll be Liverpool and City fighting it out for top spot, then Tottenham, Man Utd and Chelsea, depending on whether Sarri can get his players to adapt quickly and/ or Mourinho implodes, with Arsenal probably bringing up the rear as they have the weakest of the squads and a new manager.


1.) 05 Aug 2018 21:56:02
Utd have a good chance of winning the league. I hate to say it but they are well up there with a shout.

{Ed025's Note - say no to drugs..

2.) 05 Aug 2018 23:18:53
If Moanrihno does not get serious in life and focus on actually managing a squad of players like he's paid to do, the best ManU will get is just missing the Europa League.

{Ed002's Note - I guess how much you have been talking about him - he has won and nailed you all.}

3.) 06 Aug 2018 04:16:51
I agree with you Ed002, Jose seems to have succeeded in winding everyone up.
My crystal bowl tells me that TOP 4 will be City, Liverpool, United, Arsenal. Spurs and Chelsea to miss out. Of the remaining teams, Wolves and Brighton will do well vs expectations. Everton and Westham will disappoint.




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21 Aug 2018 08:42:56
I still feel really sorry for Karius - maybe he was not at Alissons standard but he helped stabilise us last year until the final and didn’t deserve anything like the abuse those scumbags gave him. Nobody should ever have their life or worth judged by one game of football.

I sincerely hope he doesn’t associate all Liverpool ‘fans’ the same way and he goes on be successful and to look past that one game and to cherish some of the wonderful matches he played in for us and helped create. I sincerely believe we would never have even gotten to the final without him.

YNWA Karius, wishing you all the best.




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20 Aug 2018 06:39:04
I think you’re actually right Ed, he was probably asking about the contract 😂

Have a good day mate.


{Ed001's Note - I need to save that, to remember this moment when I was right. It might never happen again!}



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20 Aug 2018 05:03:24
I think they just mentioned for the season. Think this is a good arrangement, a year in bunderleague playing will be good for the lad. Hope he does well as competition in our midfield is too fierce for him to get game time.


{Ed001's Note - I thought he was asking about the new contract not the loan sorry. The loan is for the season.}



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17 Aug 2018 12:24:39
If true then good luck to him, I always felt he gave his all and was one of our more dependable CBs in a shaky defence before we brought in VVD.




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09 Aug 2018 17:40:19
Good move for both. Hopefully he gets plenty of game time and it sets the path for a permanent move having proved his fitness. Good luck to the lad.

Maybe we’ll keep Origi until Jan when Brewster hopefully fit again and Sturridge has proven he can stay fit? Wouldn’t want Solanke to be our only backup striker.





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14 Nov 2018 02:45:46
I find it ludicrous people can bet on such events like potential transfers, down to what can happen in the 11th minute of a match. Why is there any need to open up so many options to gamble on things that clearly can be so easily manipulated. it only makes it so much easier to suck in addicted gamblers, and provides a huge playing field for those intent on manipulation and cheating.

At least if gambling was restricted to just the key events such as outcomes of matches, it would be a lot harder to manipulate the outcomes, easier to identify suspicious betting patterns and reduce temptation.




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11 Nov 2018 00:22:18
Well said Wolverine - people seem to forget we’ve gone from languishing in 5/ 6th most years to the CL final and now unbeaten and competitive in the PL against one of the highest ever points scoring sides in history. This points tally we have now would have put us top of the league in the vast majority of seasons past.

To anyone even thinking about sacking Klopp, they need their head read. Yes titles are crucial in the long run, but we have come from a long way back and counting whether we’ve won an FA cup or EFL cup as ‘success’ (there was little chance of winning the others with our squad in previous years to be honest) is not nearly as important as building the foundations for continuous success in the PL and CL.

Be patient.




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08 Nov 2018 13:24:45
Unless we have Hendo at the base of midfield control the game, and preferably also Keita to give some drive to midfield, I would really like us to play 4-2-3-1 and give either Firmino or Shaqiri the responsibility to create at no.10.

Gini, Milner and Lallana playing together is just three link players IMO and none of which are truly a solid no.6, and none of which are really dangerous driving forward either. We were awful the other night with no-one really having clear roles and taking responsibility for anything.

Fabinho and Keita/ Gini behind Mane, Firmino and Salah with Sturridge or even Origi up top would have been a lot more dangerous IMO.

Above all though we need to rediscover our mojo quick. Midfield is looking pedestrian and our forwards are jaded and not on form. We need to bring back the aggressive pressing game and smash someone.




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31 Oct 2018 14:28:51
I hope he gets a shot in place of Lallana next season, he’s far more direct and dangerous in open play and I think it’s time to give him a chance given how he’s performed on loan.

I actually think he’ll make a perfect backup to Shaqiri. He’s capable of playing in midfield, at 10 or out wide, scores goals and has a wicked free kick. all very similar traits to Shaqiri even if unproven at the very top.




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13 Oct 2018 17:00:57
A couple of weeks it seems.