13 Jan 2023 18:22:25
Look I'm guilty of giving out ding dong after our recent bad performances as anyone else, maybe posting directly after a game when the red mist is as thick as I am at the time. But let's get a couple of things straight here lads firstly think of where we might be if Hicks and Gillette were still at the helm and FSG hadn't taken charge possibly not in existance or god knows where. Alright FSG are not the most giving of owners but they have pulled us out of the doldrums of mediocrity to where we belong once again back at the business end and challenging for titles.
Secondly they brought us in the best manager in the world to oversee this transition. I'd like to see how many of the top managers at the free spending big clubs would have managed with the limited budget that Klopp has had, as someone else said Klopp has transformed this team with one hand tied behind his back.
Look funds have been made available throughout his tenure and Kieta aside most have worked out extremely well. Everyone has their faults mine with klopp are his stubbornness in making subs and being too loyal to some players hence the issues we are presently facing with our aging squad. But for anyone to say that we should get rid of him is outrageous if you had spent the last 30yrs as a Liverpool supporter like myself and many others on here you would understand just how good we have had things over the last 5 years. Also don't forget losing 2 premiership titles by a point on each occasion to a fabulous City team.
If Klopp were to go we would be back in football obscurity for god knows how long and I personally might never get to see my beloved club win another league title again. So pull in the rains a bit lads and realise that everything doesn't always go the way we want them to sometimes, but with Klopp at the helm and hopefully the possibility of investment in the club we will be back on track soon enough, never give up, we go again. In klopp we trust.
YNWA JFT97.

1.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 18:55:11
Well as reporters are saying it’s all unraveling!
Fsg have been good owners but got away with murder with klopp and the team pulling off miracles at times!
Could it all about to come to a end?

2.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 19:44:26
DOOMED!

3.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 20:03:03
Hicks and Gillett were 15 years ago now, let's stop using it as the bar. Besides, the Henry and Werner foundation hardly saved us out of the goodness of their hearts. They saw an opportunity to purchase a heavily reduced asset and send it's value through the roof with minimal risk.

4.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 20:09:06
And you don't think that any potential billionaire purchasers who you no doubt want to see turn us into the next Man City won't be in it for their own benefit either, thom?

5.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 20:13:44
Spot on thom43. They’re business people. We are nothing but an asset and vehicle to make money. Why would they even care now. The cow has been milked dry, Klopp and the boys have been pulling up trees for 2/ 3 seasons now on essentially a tiny budget by comparison to clubs in and around us. (Sell to buy etc) .
This season could effectively put us back 2/ 3 years again. It’s madness from the money men. Any prospective buyers now much be rubbing their hands as their asset might be a lot cheaper (in footy terms) to buy in 6 months. Due to the need for a team rebuild and no champions league.

6.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 20:55:35
A lot cheaper? Maybe around £3.4 billion instead of £3.5 billion.
If they ain't getting the money they want for the club, they won't sell.
Like you say, they're businessmen. Why would they sell a massive asset cheaper?

7.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 21:03:24
And what about the decades before Hicks and Gillet? Held back for years and years, watching United overtake us in every diet - Do we just simply forget about that too just to suit the FSG agenda? Living in between Manchester and liverpool I’ve had to endure rubbish for years from them lot down the 62 …I’ve been with the reds since the early 80’s so I’ve seen the highs and the lows.

FSG have taken us to levels that we haven’t seen since the early 90’s, players, stadium, training ground
. I’ve been two 3 European cup finals with these owners and Wembley trips. I also spent my good hard cash, keeping up my ticket, watching us through the Hodgson days going to the match, I never gave up!

Sorry to be an abrupt but all these arm chair telly clappers that never go the game to me, are the biggest culprits, just sitting there moaning and posting crap.

Rant over
Drogie.

8.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 21:08:45
"cow has been milked dry " ? the very thought of it . "Back 2/ 3 years", you mean when we won the league? or the champions league? "Asset might be cheaper in football terms" gobbledygook tarted up to look like financial acumen.

9.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 21:28:57
Wow, people have short memories. For the first few years of ownership the club was hemorrhaging money, who do you think out their hands in their pockets? I believe ED002 made a remark at the time that the club was losing circa £1m a week!

10.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 21:30:29
Well said NOTSOZIPPY and Drogie. ??????.

11.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 21:36:08
It's crazy how some people mind functions ?

FSG are pure business people. They didn't save anyone but saw a very good opportunity and took with both hands despite they had no idea about football forget LFC

FSG as business have done unbelievable job buying LFC for 300M and increasing it's value without even investing half of their current value 4.2/ 5 billion net worth.

They're even most successful owners for us in-terms of trophies in EPL era. Won everything and have delivered trophies consistently for half a decade under Klopp.

Unfortunately they've their limitations in-terms finance which has left us behind/ stagnant compare to our rivals does that make them bad owners? Absolutely not.

Think we should appreciate their honesty, once they understood it's impossible for them to compete financially with our rivals decided it's better for them to sale us. For me that makes them decent owners.

12.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 21:37:14
Yes when we won the league and CL on a “budget”. So yes he was pulling up trees for very little money. Thankfully we had an asset in Coutinho that helped us buy Ali and Virg. I didn’t claim to have financial acumen either. Yes and I referred to it in “footballing terms” as people seem to throw money and figures about on this site like it isn’t real. It’s incredible amounts of money.

13.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 22:00:14
Jay and Flash. What do you mean that " it could all come to an end" and "doomed"? Are we talking about the same thing, that thing being LFC?

Liverpool Football Club is an institution. An institution that's been around for a 131 years! . In that period wars have come and gone, recessions have come and gone, stadiums have come and gome, owners have come and gone, managers have come and gone and players have come and gone. Even the fans too. Whatever we're seeing now is just a small tiny blip in the path of things. Nothing is ending and nothing is doomed. History proves it.

(I know both of you through your posts, so I know you're not part of the whining contingent on here. I just wanted to put things in perpspective a little bit and also suggest to you not to fall in the trap of the whining contingent of exaggerating to the heavens, because that's the only way they know how to make a point) .

14.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 22:16:08
Because they saved us from Hicks and Gillette does not make them beyond reproach. They brought us Klopp, but it’s Klopp football that does the talking. They also us brought us Rodgers, so do we condemn them for that? They cannot run a massive club like Liverpool who demand success year on year. They should go and buy a mid table side who don’t demand investment year on year.

15.) 13 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 22:13:59
Also Liverpool were such an attractive proposition that with literal days to go before entering administration there were a grand total of two bids for the club. And the other one was dodgy as, if I remember correctly.

So yeah, I don't think it's unfair to give Henry and Werner a bit of credit for "saving" the club.

Short memories around here.

16.) 14 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 23:32:07
Whoodh!

17.) 14 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 23:40:53
Thanks ArAy, but I can guarantee you this - you will never see me whinging and moaning about the club, or slag players and staff off.
Not my scene mate!
I'm more of the class clown, more inclined to gently mock those who obsessively repeat the same negative (and often incorrect) mantras obsessively day after day.
All good natured harmless stuff. Keeping the boredom at bay on the cold winter nights!

18.) 14 Jan 2023
13 Jan 2023 23:41:50
What does it matter if FSG are business people? What do you want? You want to be a pawn used in sports washing like some other clubs just so you can have your shiny new midfielder?
When does this sport become a non sport and more a play thing for rich people? We are now moaning about the owners of the club because they make money and are not prepared to spend money hand over fist even if the club doesn’t earn it?
The facts are we were about to go bankrupt. We were about to not exist anymore! Honestly get that into your heads because it was a very real possibility.
FSG came in and I don’t care if they bought us for a packet of space raiders they took us from the brink of obscurity to the PL, CL and world champions.
It cannot be overstated how far away from that we were when they took over.
Now we have bad 4/ 5 months (we are 7pts off 4th with a game in hand and 21 games to play) and all of a sudden they are awful owner for not buying midfielder? They brought in one of the worlds best midfielders in Thiago and at the start of the season I think we all thought Elliott would be better than he is. Nobody saw Fabinho’s poor form coming either.
Even during our very best years of the 70s and 80s we had bad seasons you know. It happens.
You all need to remember the 27 years from 1990 to 2017 when we were nowhere near the team we are today (yes even today with our apparent championship quality players) because if Klopp and FSG go then we could have another 27 years of total obscurity.

19.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 00:18:07
Klopp’s latest pre match interview, he seems extremely annoyed with the lack of Money available.
Very tense is the vibe he’s giving off. To be fair though he didn’t have to buy Gakpo could’ve got that more important Midfielder in.

20.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 00:40:39
I bet you are more annoyed than Klopp, LiverpoolFC8. He'll be trying to get us winning again but you don't want that because it will conflict with your feelings of the last few months.
You don't like a conflict of feelings and you would sooner us fail.
Am I right?

21.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 01:01:43
Gapko has nothing to do anything with midfield Liverpoolfc8 mate.

22.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 01:38:22
Spot on Rigsby, I think you’ve nailed it.

23.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 01:44:49
Early in the year I know, but I’m nominating this one as an entry for the end of year award - comedy category.

24.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 04:42:56
"They saw an opportunity to purchase a heavily reduced asset and send it's value through the roof with minimal risk. "

Minimal risk? What?

On the original topic: I think it's fair to say that we live an 'instant' society, where everyone wants an instant impact from everything they do or say. People seem to forget that last season we nearly won the quadruple, which was a monumental effort from the squad. We unfortunately lost the two biggest ones (CL and PL) and that likely hit us hard mentally.

Remember the season we almost went undefeated? Remember the first half of the following season? Yeah. This is a very similar situation now.

We have also seen some changes behind the scenes with Pep taking on a larger and more active role, perhaps there is an adjustment period for this to show fruit?

25.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 08:13:55
FSG have been good owners but they need to move on as clearly they either can’t or don’t want to compete. It’s a simple as that. They look to be taking us backwards rather than kicking on so for me it’s time for them to sell.

26.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 08:51:50
"FSG don't want to compete".
That one made me laugh out loud.
The stuff that some will invent to justify their own negativity.

27.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 08:52:33
Spot on, Beckers and Drogie. It’s the same FSG agenda all the time to the point that people either make up fantasies about them or attribute all the success we have had under them to Klopp as if Klopp hired himself forgetting that if John Henry was a typical billionaire as in a dictator, Klopp wouldn’t be here cos he didn’t even want to hire him to start with and had to be convinced to do it.

I would hope that those blaming him for ALL our ill’s which is patently false, would thank him for hiring Klopp BUT I know they won’t. As for them buying the club, we were a money pit when they bought us as a depreciation asset and turned us into a near 4bn pound asset and rising winning trophies galore while at it. If you were a billionaire why would you sell up hastily? Cos some bro on an LFC forum cried about it? Delusional thinking.

If you’re so worked up about it, stage a protest at Anfield or get a consortium together and buy the club or go support a team whose owners just spend their govt’s money or some image laundering oligarch spending endlessly expecting nothing in return.

28.) 14 Jan 2023
14 Jan 2023 10:47:18
You know what lads, it worries me how some of you would still moan if a rich patron took us over and we could spend millions on players you would moan we are not going spend enough . Be careful what you wish for boys .
LFC are and always will be a club that has played on a level playing field giving us a club to be proud of.